Port Injection or Meth Injection - Is meth safe on the B58?

[@faraz.f22]

After watching this channel, I legit went and sold my mustang and just put an offer an a 340 last night.

[@pmangena]

You won’t regret it! It’s such a fun car!!

[@linksean652]

Congratulations bro nice platform choice

[@kylemiller1745]

As always dropping knowledge for the community… appreciate ya

[@Antimatter.]

What are your feelings running straight Meth vs a 50/50 mix ? I’m mean running E85 might be a little dangerous through a Meth system incase of a leak

[@kern417]

50/50 just dilutes the mix so it's less flammable. It's really up to you and your comfort level.

[@LifebyDesign]

Is there any benefit to spray just for cooling? What's the point of the BMS Meth injection kit at this point with JB4? Would I be better off waiting for unlock? 21 supra with b58

[@vincentsmart9540]

Best B58 chanell ever 🦈👑

[@chap5220]

Love your Videos thanks so much man. I see that you put your car on jacks, or however its called in english. I d love to see a Video how you do that. Because I dont trust those BMW plastic things... Also I d appriciate more maintanance related stuff.

[@marklinley815]

As always, great video. Well explained.

[@blakeromero7620]

Hey Kern, what about port fuel injection vs port meth injection? Let's say hypothetically, ethanol is unavailable, 91oct, stock HPFP. What's the best route for big power to a kit similar to yours from doc? Lets say, 800whp.

[@1MTed]

Dual port meth injection.

[@kern417]

If you don't have ethanol available then port fuel injection won't provide any gains. Port meth is your answer. Check out my last video about upgrading fuel pump vs port for more info

[@blakeromero7620]

@@kern417 that's what I was unclear about still was if throwing more fuel at a system would even produce gains without any proper octane/cooling. So I assume an upgraded hpfp and port meth would be the best combo if no E is available. Thank you!

[@blakeromero7620]

@@1MTed do they even make dual systems for b58?

[@kern417]

@@blakeromero7620 don't even need an upgraded hpfp. At most you can add a TU pump. But Meth will provide All the fuel and octane you need.

[@christopherledesma4504]

Awesome video! This answered a lot of questions. Thanks !

[@kwon-tobi]

비디오 김사합니다. 😄👍 나는 이제 bms wmi키트와 함께 사용할 포트인젝션도 찾아봐야겠네요. 나는 현재 2022 m240i에 jb4 map2를 사용중이고. catless down pipe를 장착하고 있습니다. bosch의 b58tu, 포트인젝션, bms wmi, bms elite charge pipe(with bov), rk tunes의 air intake를 더 추가하려고 합니다. 당신이 보기에 어떤가요? air intake와 bov는 오로지 멋진 쉭쉭거리는 소리를 위한 것이지만요. 하하🤣

[@PoorlyUtilized]

Nice explanation, wonder how much a quality customer tune would be for port meth. How much is the Williams performance kit btw?

[@kern417]

It's listed on the Williams Performance website

[@Antimatter.]

Hey thanks for the vid you seem very knowledgeable for all this stuff I have a question , I have a 15 M6 built S63tu CP Carrillo pistons and rods , Dynod on Mustang Dyno @ 869hp 986tq I have Meth injection , through JB4 , 3 custom backend flash tunes for Meth , injected towards the end of the charge coolers right before the throttle bodies, Map 0 safe map with Meth, run out of Meth it’s ok with just 93 670whp Daily Map 7 Boost by Meth 28lbs boost Meth flowing ok , Run out of Meth drops back to map 0 for safety 750whp Map 8 is 28psi with advanced timing boost by Octane with Meth , I put some Boostane in fuel for this map to about 103 octane / Run out of Meth drops to map 0 830+ whp So A few weeks ago I was on Map 0 safe map , I did a 3rd to 4th gear pull , Right after I shifted to 4th I heard a loud pop under the hood , I also thought I hit something😟, I then thought I blew a coupler off , it turns out I split my driver side intake Manifold via smoke test , Logs say 19psi when popped, so it shouldn’t be from boost , maybe Methanol backfire?? , can you give me your thoughts on this ? It sucks because it’s an engine out job, Thanks 🙏

[@kern417]

It still could have been from boost just from the manifold weakening over time. The b58 manifolds are also known to crack under a lot of boost pressure. It's one of the downsides of plastic.

[@Antimatter.]

@@kern417 Yeah thanks , I know 34-35 psi they were cracking from boost , I was also thinking when they put my engine in or when the pulled it they hit it or stressed it somehow , there is a company that makes billet intake manifolds for this problem , Thanks

[@DDG-Downfall]

Best channel ever. So port injected meth is the way too go for next upgrade?

[@jadenb51]

Can you run an e mix and meth injection

[@kern417]

Yes

[@badass1g]

After seeing the other YT guy blow his #6 using CPI I’m way paranoid about doing that route.

[@kern417]

Highly highly highly not recommended. He was doing okay but when he pushed the limits is when it blew.

[@CourtesyToot]

‘How to use meth safely’ 👂🤔 My GDI suby need its heads unplugged and idkwtf. Maybe ill just try it😂what could go wrong😂😂

[@Dennis-mp4lx]

Yo kern, do you think the cylinder 5/6 problem can be solved with an upgraded intake manifold? Some of them seem to be optimized sending air/meth to cyl 5/6

[@stefanachim553]

I've cancelled my o2 sensors because I have a custom exhaust. I want to add the snow performance stage 3DI proline meth kit and I have a stock gen1 fuel pump..what should I do? should I add it or buy port injection and use meth?

[@kern417]

Port injected meth will always be the safest option. Then a custom tune for it.

[@stefanachim553]

@@kern417 ok thanks for answering

[@josueo.486]

Would you recommend using CPI just for cooling not octane it’s clear using for it for octane is not gonna end well for cyl 5,6

[@kern417]

The safest way to use it for cooling only is to spray water so that it does not affect your fuel trims

[@MustafaAli-85]

Now I'm a little worried about installing my methanol kit in my supra .. as I have JB4 ...

[@ncscumbagsfilms8007]

Can you run port injection and meth injection at the same time? And what are the benefits or downfalls?

[@jackccastro695]

Yeah I see some people doing it in the Supra.

[@richrollinson2388]

I run a b58 tu pump on my m140 and tuned to run a 10% meth blend in the fuel tank with zero issues .

[@PrevinPather]

What's up buddy.. in a meth scenario I'm assuming the entire meth mixture is going through the air to water cooler? Is there any benefit in spraying water through something like a spacer - similar to the way the m4 Gts does it - to lower IAT and run higher boost ? Timing ?

[@1MTed]

Dual meth injection. Worked on my vette. I am working on a solution now for theb58. Shouldnt be to hard. Love meth. Best solution when done right

[@kyletodd6133]

What is the best fuel controller and tank setup?

[@mateo...]

Excellent, thanks

[@badass1g]

Damn, I only have 91 octane avail with no E85. I’d be in heaven with some 93 lol.

[@kern417]

when you're ready to turn it up, add a port meth injection system and never look back

[@badass1g]

@@kern417 what are some kits for port meth injection? I’d rather run meth port vs fuel port. I haven’t seen much available for port meth kits. Are you using any type of meth now? If so what kind and where?

[@kern417]

@@badass1g the one shown at 5:50 is the main kit i recommend. Made by Cobb Developments and sold by Williams Performance in the Uk

[@ganuv]

91 and 93 is no big difference, what is ,is ethanol and meth injection

[@CP-jt6bw]

Port injection is the location. You can Port inject any kind of fuel by any means. You can Port inject gasoline using a Bosch injector for example. Or you can Port inject methanol using a mist nozzle. Like prometh Charge pipe meth is injecting meth into the charge pipe.

[@kern417]

Watch the video, then comment.

[@mkvB58KING]

Love looking at your engine bay, but can you give us some more driving content?

[@kern417]

Will be posting racing videos and such later this year. Sorry to keep everyone waiting

[@kbit8473]

@@kern417 Ya count me in too!!! XD I love to see another manual B58 POV /cruise

[@ian.gomez_]

Hey man, can you please share your opinion on the VTT B58 one way crankcase breather pleaseee a bunch of my buddies at the shop have them on their N54’s but I wanna see if they’re actually worth it for my B58 and haven’t seen any reviews

[@kern417]

Most people don't need it

[@whitneycurtis2654]

I know this is mainly an F30 channel, but any idea if the Williams Port Meth kit fits on the newer TU engines? I have a 2020 M340i. Thanks!

[@kern417]

It shouldfit TU engines as well. You can message him to confirm

[@VaporGearhead]

Is there such a thing as a “high quality” port injection controller? If your controller dies, or an internal driver dies, or a cheap injector dies - you melt a cylinder down. Leaning out a cylinder happens so fast you won’t have time to even lift off the throttle. If you shift your focus to the Direct Injection system, there are huge benefits across the board. Better fuel atomization, perfect fuel distribution leaps above port injection, and mainly the benefit of using very high quality engineered and tested components designed for high mileage usage. There is a point port injection is your only option, but that HP level is continually being pushed back as better hpfp and injector options become available. Why would someone consider a Chinese port injection system at power levels that are easily fed by Direct injection system upgrades?

[@kern417]

Because a port injection setup will support a wider powerband and higher ethanol content.

[@ganuv]

Personally I know 2 people who blew their engine running meth. So no thx.

[@sergsrt8]

How? Bad tune?

[@lokisgr]

Probably not the right place to ask but what's a good AFR for B58 MHD stage 2 E30?

[@kern417]

It is typically around 12.7 in logs that I've reviewed

[@F60Stunt]

Can I get more hp by sparing water without a tune through port injection?

[@kern417]

No

[@HassanEido1]

You can run just water in your Water meth injection system, and have all the octane you need, since you're not fuel limited on the hpfp side. Quite simple really, no need for meth

[@kern417]

....no.

[@HassanEido1]

@@kern417 yes haha

[@Boostaddicts_YT]

You cannot run E85 or race fuel in a meth injection kit as it’ll kill the pump

[@kern417]

I'll relay the message to the people that i know are doing it 😂

[@Boostaddicts_YT]

@@kern417 it’ll run it but the petrol content will kill the valves in the pumps, over time they will swell and fail, it’s noted in various instruction manuals from snow performance, Devilsown, coolingmist etc

[@rengietorres9482]

Is there a difference on running both? Can you even run both? & does it make a power difference?

[@kern417]

It only makes sense to run one or the other for 99.9% of setups

[@rengietorres9482]

@@kern417 ok thank you! Keep up the videos!

[@1spoolg20_b58s]

Which one controler you think is the best for the direct port meth, torqbyte , reflex ?

[@kern417]

Reflex

[@1spoolg20_b58s]

Thx i order the williams plate and reflex + controler which pump and tank is good for this setup thx a lot

[@rayj1988]

Why is there a glove on your PCV cap?

[@kern417]

I was given some feedback that staring at my engine bay is boring And I need to work on my production value, so I decided to spruce it up.

[@anthonyh958]

@@kern417 🤣

[@cryptojay727]

can you run e85 on b58? with out tune or tune needed?

[@kern417]

Tune is needed

[@shanchuantang1915]

Is it safe for the b58 to run meth port injection if you are doing tracks?

[@kern417]

Road course? Or drag racing?

[@tmak1606]

@@kern417 road

[@georgeprodromou8803]

Technically the cylinders that get less methanol will also get less air, meaning they would of been running rich without methanol. Therefore running methanol at a single point would help AFRs balance out better. on 2JZ platform cylinder 5 and 6 always runs leaner due to majority of air hitting those cylinders. Adding methanol injection actually helps the issue as most of the meth is now consumed by cylinders 5 and 6.

[@kern417]

No

[@THEDOPEYDAISY]

Wrench Studios in the UK just done a 3.97 100-200 in M140i. Is that the fastest B58’ in the world?

[@kern417]

Yes

[@fodaadam]

Hey man, I've just received my Williams port meth injection kit. One thing you mention that I'm not sure of is spraying e85 through the meth kit. Can you spray e through nozzles meant for meth? I always thought e was a heavier fluid that wouldn't spray, or at least wouldn't spray enough volume through meth nozzles?

[@kern417]

You can spray whatever you want. If you need more flow then use larger nozzles.

[@fodaadam]

@@kern417 but can you alternate between meth and E on the same set of nozzles? Running meth all week, then throwing a tank of E in for the weekend kind of thing? Switching out nozzles is no small feat in these cars.

[@kern417]

@@fodaadam You should run whatever fuel you're tuned for