Enter The Nightmare! Legion's first Raid Tier

[@isaacfaith9369]

Woah, I thoroughly enjoyed this style of video. A WoW Pod-cast talking about Raids? Yes please! Keep the good work up guys.

[@AgentCamtho1]

Destro Lock here, found a nice little... thing for Xavius Imp has Dispel, Imp dispel works on the tanks debuff, dispelling it helps the healers manage corruption better, Imp doesn't receive corruption. So I spent most of phase one tabbing back and forth to use the imp dispel on tanks, mainly because our pug's healers were pretty poor at properly managing it.

[@alexandruiordan4579]

great tip m8, thanks

[@Ryukasan1]

That sound so good and brilliant, that its nearly an exploit!

[@TyronMakeka]

Woaw...we downed Xavius without even thinking of that. I feel so stupid now...

[@Mrollllf]

Blizz have removed so much great utility that some of the ones left seem to some people close to an exploit, smh =p

[@Hardmetal1993]

that's very clever. well done and ty for sharing!

[@Leono413]

What I actually liked about the raid, as a whole, is that it actually has a resolution to it (No spoilers for those who care). Most of the other raids are like, 'You beat the final boss!......Good job!" The finale was a nice surprise, and I can't wait to see where they go from here.

[@MrFirestalker]

yeah really liked the ending zone. Everybody just instantly run around and catch the pets^^

[@hellboy19991]

The best part about that was in my opinion how Ysera was seen in humanoid form walking to the cave. Creepy as fuck

[@bgtv5909]

This being my first ever raid that I have run during it's relevancy. Not counting lfr WoD, I loved it!

[@Scrooge042]

Gratz on getting into raiding! It took me a while as well, but there's nothing quite as rewarding in the game as raiding!

[@bgtv5909]

Scrooge042 I agree! It felt great to down Xavius, and on top of thst I got two pieces of gear from the raid!

[@deathreaper019]

Same here :D

[@grumpdogg213]

Nice work on getting into raiding! Hope Preach can inspire you and your guild to push on.

[@bgtv5909]

Grump thanks and he has so far!

[@felipemmax]

"Its so easy" with a group doing 250-300k dps, everything is easy o_O

[@TheLastOfUsFan]

Felipe Moreno git gud son

[@Kavou]

I have completely idea what you've said means,but Felipe has a point :).

[@ande5460]

exactly, these guys are all 850+ Ilvl for sure. Of course normal will be easy. It drops gear worse than what most of them have. It is easy, but not like they say for groups that are going in at 830ish.

[@TheLastOfUsFan]

Taylor Anderson Really wouldn't take anybody under 835, including guildýs

[@codypettigrew9972]

Normal is fucking easy. An absolute joke actually.

[@sterlings7098]

If you want to skip the Discord advertisement because you've seen it before or you are coming back to this video. Go to 1:03

[@Adam-082]

You are the true hero sir.

[@elmirBDS]

I loved the fact that Xavius' surroundings are so "boring". Our raidleader was literally going: '"guys... there's a creature in the shadows" when the mobs started appearing :D

[@Vespian90]

not everything is inspired by dark souls preach xD

[@lordkappa1899]

lul

[@MegaDK47]

I think he was just generalizing, too few people know about Lovecraft and Dark souls and everything in WoW related to Old Gods are inspired by him :3

[@Nezzie96]

This content is spot on, the idea of both of you making videos as a team is such a mega combo, works so well, awesome vid man

[@treasuretrails]

Discord is great I highly recommend

[@MoonCell167]

Wasn't there supposed to be a legacy video unrelated to wow sometime soon?

[@liamjoakim3585]

I've been using Discord for about 9-12 months now, and it's fantastic. Love you found a good sponsor!

[@waben892]

Glad you chose Discord Preacher! I've been using it for a year or two now and it has been the best. Thanks for spreading the superior voice program.

[@Damingo54]

Where is the dps at preach? Cmon...

[@richardjones8846]

blame it on legendary ; the other mages in my guild QQ when i out dps them and it's like lul i don't even use the affix

[@Kishkumen1337]

Ursoc is really fun to tank

[@nickponzio5575]

Said no one wver

[@shmemsta]

yeah it is...especially on heroic, its a pretty good challenge.

[@Kishkumen1337]

Im not joking, tanking other bosses was meh but tanking ursoc on HC is intense and fun, really enjoyable.

[@DGWraithz]

Agreed, fun mechanic

[@LeonusStawalker]

I won't tell you the strat in case not knowing it is what makes it fun for you, but if the debuffs is what you find fun it's actually incredibly easy to manage with no thought if you know how to do it right. I was a little disappointed to know that honestly, it seemed like the first time a standard tank-swap fight was really interesting, but they couldn't resist making it simple.

[@MichaelsPwner]

What addon are you using that puts the circles around the brambles? That's the thing my guild had the hardest time with and those circles would help greatly.

[@jaykie1518]

the gloom is part of the lore, the mist indecates where the nightmare is at its strongest

[@H25Invicta]

Before casual progress on Emerald Nightmare I last raided Dragon Soul Heroic. With a bunch of RPers, other casuals and me, a PvPer, we managed to down the first boss on the first attempt. I found it very disappointing, since I was expecting we'd spend an hour on it or so. Anyway, we wiped 15 times on Ursoc since people struggled with aiming the charge correctly. With him down, we're now looking at Vaginatree, and I'm moderately excited for the rest.

[@ProphetOfTruth_]

The big difference in legion is that blizz made the bosses have less mechanics overall but have them be more punishing instead of in wod where there were so many different mechanics to keep track of

[@TheDancerMacabre]

Reminds me of FatBoss's Laps around Dalaran series, not that it's a bad thing. I love hearing experienced people talk about WoW; especially raids and classes. Great to listen to while doing your dailies! Please, more of this!

[@oQuindo1]

You guys had good discord experience during raid? Ours failed hardcore and we switched over to mumble.

[@Gewsfrahba]

ive never heard of discord "failing"

[@101carrot]

it happens from time to time but the host of the discord can just change the server and its usually resolved, and the problems last 10 mins top anyways

[@Carionoso7416]

Nah, he just means that HE failed, and he's blaming it on the discord :^)

[@TheJexy13]

It does lag out from time to time, we often have to change our server due to lag

[@theazerothtourist]

this!

[@zeozelos]

I have to say my big issue is almost every boss is a "move in and out of group" boss archetype. This takes away from excitement since I just end up yawning and asking" where are we moving this time?" and that is stupid.

[@AwesomeArgonanth]

Hmmm. My experience so far healing on heroic is that some of the bosses do so much damage that it's almost impossible to heal through it. My raid has some pretty low DPS so the fights go on really long (As of right now on Warcraftlogs we are still the 2nd slowest guild on Dragons at 10minutes 8seconds) which means we run into mana issues. We also had to 5 heal that fight (with 16 players....) because the two healers on one side couldn't keep everyone up. I'm not sure if it's the healers who are bad or the DPS. The damage output on my side was also very high and I went oom ~5 minutes into the fight.

[@bryce7350]

Awesome you got a sponsor that i personally support also, i back discord aswell as curse. Both are great.

[@Khorothis]

If you and your guild have been raiding since vanilla and play the game like it's your job then yeah, everything is easy and an unimaginative remake. I think a lot of people would appriciate it if you would be fair as well as honest, something like what you said about Xavius being almost an exact copypaste of Heroic Cho'gall but considering its age and the people who played it it's a fresh fight. Except for the tone that was dripping with "scrubs didn't do Cho'gall heroic, lol" and "let's hope Mythic will be interesting", that's really uncalled for. You're playing with the top 2-5% but your audience is the rest of it, and while I understand a kneejerk reaction of "lol plebs and scrubs all of you", there are a lot of people who are genuinely doing their very best within the limits of their available play time. Just be fair while being honest, that's all I'm asking.

[@Chaoticsaur]

I thought the raid was awesome and every fight has been super fun so far, I think they gave an incredibly biased opinion on this since they are mythic raiders. Everyone seems to forget heroic is the old normal mode, and normal is flex difficulty. It is meant to be easier.

[@moyga]

He is being fair and honest. The raids in WoD had way more imaginative fight mechanics and were harder, even on heroic. A lot harder. So far anyway. Most people who have done a ton of raids across many expansions seem to agree that the mechanics are pretty bland in EN compared to other raids. You say that if you've been raiding since vanilla then everything is easy and unimaginative but that isn't true, Preach thought the raids in WoD like BRF were imaginative and interesting and so did most other long term mythic raiders.

[@Khorothis]

moyga You're missing the point. I don't disagree with his assessment of the raid, I disagree with the way it is communicated, which makes a huge difference. The words of professionals has always been the most basic benchmark for comparison, so when Preach says that EN has been an overall disappointment for him, then everyone else who is still working hard to clear it (like those coming back to the game after a long hiatus and actual new people) will feel like idiots, which diminishes every ounce of effort they put into it. Fairness, in this context, means looking at it from a fresh raider's eyes as well as your own. To be clear, I'm fairly certain Preach didn't mean to come across like that (being a helpful gent as far as I understand) and just said what he thought (which is perfectly fine but insufficient in the grand scheme of things).

[@moyga]

Khorothis If they react to it that way then they have a bad attitude in my opinion. To me that is like someone who has just started gymnastics, or really any other hobby, looking at someone whose a professional gymnast saying that 'x' exercise is easy and then feeling really bad about themselves and like their efforts are useless because they find 'x' exercise hard. What I mean is, well DUH its easy for them and hard for you, you just started and they are at a much higher level than you. People shouldn't be so ridiculously fragile that they can't handle the fact that people who have been doing something longer are going to find what is hard for them easy. I don't know why people seem to treat raiding so differently to any other kind of hobby or skill. You shouldn't feel shit if you're new at something and not as good as people who are veterans. Preach is right though in saying that normal mode raiding is now easier than it ever has been before in the history of WoW.

[@cwimalas]

+Moyga "People shouldn't be so ridiculously fragile that they can't handle the fact that people who have been doing something longer are going to find what is hard for them easy." Exactly!

[@xxdeathxxj]

what addon is that for the character and enemy unit frames? the health bars

[@zirak123]

can t get enough of you two :) keep up the good work

[@grumpdogg213]

Heroic definitely seemed under-tuned for the gear we had going in, cleared Normal and Heroic in about 6.5 hours with some experience from Alpha/Beta (but it was so buggy). Did the devs miscalculate how much gear we would have from Mythic dungeons and crafting in the first few weeks? Looking forward to Mythic prog this week. Judging by the top race so far, Ursoc isn't the Butcher gear-check some were predicting.

[@StarShopping69]

I like this video, please keep it going for the next raid tiers!

[@Azzo114]

Does preach have a community guild on any server?

[@TheDocmadness]

how do you move the pop up for the voice over text in elvui? Its driving me crazy!

[@steffel463]

how come i cant join the discord preach? says that the time has run out or something :/

[@rainsweptflower]

il'gynoth is not a tree. its not an eye. it is a vagina. A VAG MAN. just look at it... and then it's name is il'GYNOth on top of that. it also says things that could be taken as sexual innuendos. after the phase where you go in, the vagina yells "get out, you are not worthy". at some point the boss said "her heart is a whole, which must be filled" or something to that extent. ....there are various other hints that the game creators definitely intended us to slay a vagina here.

[@jammydodger4125]

Glad you thought so hard about this.

[@rainsweptflower]

Jammy Dodger I didn't, I found it all blatantly obvious actually....

[@jammydodger4125]

Congratulations on your firm grasp of the obvious then sir.

[@Voojitsu]

Actually it's "her heart is a crater and we have filled it" and it's most propably about Jaina.

[@commentguy304]

6:57 look at the dps meters cleary we need to nerf shadow a little more

[@ampleoq]

Ah was trying to spot another Shadow comrade :D

[@catalyzt9]

That's the literal start of the fight lol of course mages are going to be on the top at the very beginning of an encounter, have you played WoW before?

[@deadeye0o]

Ive played wow before and i can say mages are the holy cow of wow

[@ampleoq]

Mages are always on top (yes yes they have 3 dps specs, 1 is bound to be good. Doesnt explain why my class has to be gutted by good at 1thing in the game while mages are good at everything). My Order Hall is empty. 50% of the population are Fire Mages the other 50% are Demon Hunters. All other classes are non existing

[@MrSacreos]

mages and rogues are only great vs single target bosses, witch is like 2-3 on emeralnd nightmare, rest of them not so much

[@NunyaBijinesu]

How do I join the discord? Tells me I need an invitation link, the one in the description does not work.

[@SirMalorak]

11:11 Yup, it's not just your group! We had the exact same problem. It just...Didn't choose the add we wanted.

[@Vanquinho]

Yo Preach, that piece of music at 1:00, what is it called?

[@collingrudzien7179]

Wildfire - Rootkit

[@SkurtavusGrodolfus]

Discord user, can confirm it is fantastic.

[@Matsudiro]

New guild for legion currently 5/7 nm raided sat and sun, feel like probably a not so great group of players but enjoying it immensely and feel like at least I'm getting better. Wish we were making a little more progress but enjoy the feel of the place and at the very least feeling challenged even if by the sounds of things we shouldn't be :P

[@huzzabuzatrolol]

If the discord link was supposed to be an invite for your discord group, it doesnt work, it just takes you to the discord homepage

[@Asmongold_CatDany]

It's a referral link.

[@alexlockhart7668]

+CatDany [Asmongold Highlights] love ur vids :)

[@Maliwaan]

Is there any chance of finding a guild on your discord?

[@Beardedflea]

My guild just completed Emerald Nightmare on Normal 30 mins before this video went live, was great fun!

[@Wheel_of_Kain]

Man, I did it on normal on day 1 in a pure pug through group finder and was so proud of myself. I guess I liked it becaus I haven't been raiding since Wrath. I don't think I'll get any further than normal with pugs though as a guildless player, but that's alright.

[@pauldarwin87]

preachh what's your UI addon

[@Dryarae]

I enjoyed the raid. I didn't really expect them to pull out all the stops for the first introduction into Legion's opening tier, but it was definitely solid. Of course, this is still pre-Mythic, but it was still enjoyable enough that I think I'll enjoy EN for it's run.

[@qh777]

My computer hates Discord. Every time I try to download it an error occurs.

[@HaroldDuff3]

Can somebody share their Discord server link again, please? Is not working for me. :(

[@Fyrlink]

need an actual link to the discord.

[@Razhork]

I agree that Highmaul was a much better instance than Emerald Nightmare. Perhaps the more open outdoor raid environment speaks to me as opposed to the oppressive and sort of heavy atmosphere of being stuck in a literal nightmare. The bosses in EN feels a lot less unique to be honest. The one that I found to be the most interesting would be Cenarius and it's take on the Siegecrafter Blackfuse picking ability mechanic. It was a very easy raid in general, but Mythic might just change that of course.

[@LukesGamerRoom]

Have yet to venture into the nightmare. Need a guild lol

[@puppe213]

It's really good to pug right now. Don't be afraid of some of joining discord if people require it and stuff. Going into normal should be a fairly smooth experience, just try to avoid groups that look like low effort is being put in.

[@LukesGamerRoom]

puppe213 thanks for the advice :)

[@animehbkscm]

Just avoid people asking for the achievement and 850 ilvl+, they are just looking to get carried.

[@LukesGamerRoom]

haha yea gotta love gear score req's

[@kdownh08]

raid felt good! got through 7/7 normal and 2/7 heroic in our first week :) we were all pleased in our guild (we are fairly casual with alot of new raiders)

[@bregoelly9201]

i gotta say preach, ursoc is a good boss, if you dont have the big ilv and dps monsters in your guild. our guild avarage ilv is around 845 i guess, and our dps is around 200-240k, with some below and some higher. we are strugling with the enrage of ursoc on hc currently. to point out that having everyone 250-300k dps rly makes ursoc a joke fight, but before that, its a real progress to achieve

[@moyga]

I think Heroic Xavius was much easier than Heroic Imperator, Blackhand and Archimonde.

[@TheTarne]

im new to discord how do you join the channel ?

[@MegaDK47]

As a casual player a lore nerd and a Druid, I LOVE this raid xD I'm only 4/7 'cos pugs, but I really like it, especially the whispers from "The Eye" he was the wall my pug got stuck on so I got many sweet nothings from it :3

[@TheLeviathan333]

yo preach, as a tank doing heroic on this first week, wanted to throw out there that most of the fights were SUPER boring for tanks. Believe it or not, ursoc was a GREAT fight for tanks managing the circles on the floor can be super min max'y and the tank debuffs were also SUPER punishing if you lost track of them. required a lot of concentration from both tanks and really easy to mess up. felt great taking him down from the tank perspective. on the flip side nythendra, dragons, eye/tree, and xavius to a degree were SUPER boring for tanks :/ You and ghosty are both dps, so make sure to consider fights from healing and tank perspective which ursoc was great for!

[@Scrooge042]

I liked the Xavius fight a lot, and I liked Emerald Nightmare on a whole more than I did Highmaul. That might just be because I like the Nightmare lore and design more though. Overall, it was a nice raid to ease things into the next gear. Can't wait for Nighthold.

[@pauldarwin87]

What's your UI add on?

[@ramezshkifi]

clearing it in 2 raid nights left everyone a bit disappointed like u saids guys but suddenly we wipped 6 time on nethendra and got her 5 percents on heroic which i think confirms ur theoey that on mythic we are gerting gutted and im with preach about the player mistakes on the spider boss most fight i loved

[@dragonslayerbond]

Why blizzard try and make trash pulls into a raid boss fights? I can't think of a raid boss that was just waves of trash that I actually liked.

[@Worgrunner]

My guild is trying to get Heroic Ursoc down tonight, and . . . you cannot stand still and dps him. He drops miasmas around the room, and if you don't all move around the room to avoid them, the raid will get feared and take terrible terrible damage.

[@Matthew-wc8dl]

I'd love to see you do a live run with your guild while on discord. I think it would be interesting to hear and see a live run.

[@MSN953]

will you switch to arcane now?

[@warkoto4919]

really offputting having the ad right before the real video, might wanna do that at the end in the future

[@DagothDaddy]

if you look far enough in Xavius room you can see Sora and Riku Fighting Xemnas

[@IsAMank]

As someone who never did yogg or cthun, Ilgynoth was a pretty interesting fight for me with the heart mechanic

[@liangdar9675]

Xavius was a weird one. I thought the final boss on heroic was supposed to be about as hard if not even harder than the first boss on mythic. To give a smooth transition for guilds. Xavius being this easy, it felt like we killed him on accident trying to learn the mechanics and fucking up a lot on our first try, surprised me a lot.

[@Craul08]

Did he just say 30 mins for all 7 of normal mode?

[@Relbl]

i can believe it - their dps meter was like 80-100k per member above my guild and we cleared 4 bosses in just over 2hrs *edit* just to clarify I think 30mins is an exaggeration - each boss takes like 5 mins - but you know what he means... like WoD heroics just before Legion dropped

[@toomuchstarbucks6787]

EEY IS THAT INTERNET ARISTOCRAT

[@harold926]

nah we didn't clear normal in 30 minutes it was more close to an hour but its was really quick we just rushed through the instance one shotting every boss without issue,and because we killed it already on hc there was no need to explain tacs etc we just pulled pretty much right away when we were at the boss

[@tomahawklegend]

Definitely not literally impossible

[@tomahawklegend]

deenman23 Don't use your stupid math on me, you just made those numbers up yourself so it doesn't mean anything anyway.

[@hominid92]

I felt reusing Cho'Gall mechanics was OK because it's really been so long since that content was relevant. The soaking mechanic with the dream brought a touch of fresh in my opinion.

[@bingorobins1010]

its a cool raid , we cleared it on saturday night. Now progressing through heroic =)

[@qsdfqsdfqsdfq]

Why did u pass on ur BiS artifact? O.o

[@diggoryx]

As a guy whose guild is still working on normal, don't I feel like a piece of shit for not being able to progress past normal Il'gynoth and finding Ursoc challenging. :-/

[@theazerothtourist]

you shouldnt, there is more then just you in a team :)

[@animehbkscm]

Don't feel bad, Preach's guild has really good raiders so for them everything is quite easy.

[@theazerothtourist]

no one is being condescending and there are teams in Stark that are still progression normal, some that have cleared and are working on heroic and some that have cleared heroic. The fights are not hard, and there is a clear different in skill needed to move from normal to heroic, its only 1 mechanic per fight but its enough to show the difference in difficulty which they talk about.

[@glitch91]

normal and even heroic are pretty easy, maybe you and your guild are just shite

[@Kavou]

But it is simple if you think about it.Doing a raid on hc which reqquires base gear of 845+ to be done while most of them already have 855+.

[@thenekoset4844]

best healers for raiding?

[@diamondjozu8087]

I don't think Preach meant to but man, did he come out sounding condescending in this video. As for the raid itself, our casual raiding team cleared it on normal in three nights. It was plenty of fun and I enjoyed almost all the bosses. Back in Cata I didn't get as far as HC Cho'gall nor did I get to down Yogg'saron until after I had downed LK so for me, the mechanics were quite refreshing especially Ilgynoth.

[@XxfutureunicornxX]

I don't think you can even begin to imagine the number of PuGs dying on the eye, preach. What happens: 1) People deeps anything and everything, no groupings, just as you'd expect. 2) Things therefore die REALLY SLOWLY. 3) Therefore, in the first phase, people are usually hovering 40% 4) Finally, the eye caves, and people rush into the brain room and start deepsing like mad. 5) The brain takes about 60% damage before the timer starts to run out because people don't know what they're doing. 6) 5-6 people die. EVERY FUCKING TIME. 7) Now, with less people alive, the raid can't kill adds fast enough anymore. 8) The entire PuG gets buttfucked by 10 million mind flays. 9) PuG disbands with shouts of "noob healers" and "you guys suck"... Thank god I finally found a guild.

[@XxfutureunicornxX]

Oh, and this actually happened on Nythendra... One tank didn't know what the hell to do, so he pulled ALL 4 OOZES AT ONCE. People were still being summoned outside. You can imagine the rest. The PuG disbanded before the first boss had even been pulled.

[@loudchris5403]

This was the tank raid, looks easy for dps, tanks on the other hand are managing mechanics more than anytime before

[@brandondoor]

ty! as a tank I agree. sure this raid is not the hardest ever but as a tank I've never had to worry so much about swaps and constant position b4 (granted I last tanked in WotLK) ursoc while doing it as dps is boring, the swap move dance is very fun and w/o proper communication or add-ons is quite hard. keeping movement for roar with out messing up the charge line is also fun and interesting. even just picking up the right adds and managing corruption was interesting for me. unlike a 25 man group DPSer I can't afford to fuck up. if I get MC as a tank it's over. as dps u can litterally lose 1/2 of them and still clutch out the fight. lose one tank and that corruption-horror is going to wipe you. TLDR is that this raid as a tank is a very different experience. At least in my eyes. (currently working thru heroic progression)

[@hellboy19991]

As a tank myself I found this raid not that interesting. Ursoc is taunt on one and kite him accordingly, Nythendra is GTFO with the debuff and not waste too much space with it. Il'gynoth is tank the tentacle and the big add when they spawn and be a dps the rest of the time, the spider you just gotta stay together as tanks. Cenarius is tank adds and control the void in p2. Xavius and the dragon council are the most interesting in my opinion. The tank mechanic on the council is basically move a huge ass dragon across the room and take the one from your other tank, and xavius you have to think about who tanks what when. Afterall the dream tank needs to tank the big add or the corruption hits in p1/p2 and they need to manage their healer's level of corruption when they need to be dispelled. That is an incredibly well done fight for a tank, but there are always better or worse fights...

[@patricksheehan43]

I love how watching you guys do this raid makes it look so fun and easy but then I see streamers like sodapoppin and lirik and they have soooo much trouble with these bosses to the point where they will be stuck on xavius for 6 hours and spend like 100k gold on potions, food, and repairs and still not down the boss

[@raphaellame8637]

I can say that both I and a guildie (seperately) pugged AoTC on monday. It is possible just requires the work.

[@TheDovahkiinn]

Can't pug Normal on my server most DPS on mine struggle to pulling over 100k single target...

[@deadeye0o]

As a spriest im really happy seeing theholy cow od blizz (magr if someone is curious) untouched, it clearly a balanced class....

[@Jackallleo]

I loved the raid but then it was the first time I've progressed to I don't have anything to compare it to lol. We cleared normal and killed the first Heroic boss on the first weekend

[@teamppappi2526]

Hey preach have you heard of the port warrior hidden artifact skin? U have to log in and out in a cave and hope it pops up, some ppl have done it in 25 mins, asmongold 5 hrs, i did 8 hrs yesterday, 2 in the morning today and already am 1hr and nothing lmao, insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result lmao I'm going insane

[@Wepospalient]

I was surprised how easy a lot of these bosses were dying in normal, we had 5 minutes left in our raid night and were like fuck it lets go do an ursoc pull and come back tomorrow, and then ursoc was dead within 5 minutes.

[@Rybat117]

Your server has PuGs beating all of normal? I have 11 wipes on Il'gynoth because of PuGs. From what I've seen of the raid so far, it's alright. It's visually stunning, but some fights such as Ursoc aren't too interesting. As someone who can't dedicate time for organized raiding, however, I haven't seen much of the instance yet since PuGs on my server are full of people who put absolutely no thought or care into the fights.

[@megarural3000]

I liked it and subscribed! Like a Dishface!

[@kalle417]

As someone who joined in MoP. I have this as my absolute favorite raid. Now before you freak out, hear me out on this one. So as Preach said Ill'Gynoth was like a budget Yogg'Saron and Xavius was like HC Cho'gall. Since I joined in MoP I had no previous experience of those two bosses making those entirely new fights for me. Nythendra, yeah pretty boring mechanically and very easy to kill once you get the grip of the fight. Ursoc, I kinda liked it as a healer. The reason being that my guild wasn't amazingly geared when we did it HC and so things like Roaring Cacophany at the later stages really hit like a truck. For Renferal and Cenarius I have the exact same opinions as Preach. Lastly, the dragons of Nightmare. I agree, they're extremely underwhelming and as a healer I had the ResidentSleeper look on my face throughout the majority of the fight. Maybe this raid was aimed more at newer (ish) players who hadn't experienced those fights before.

[@GamingVidsPs3]

Why are you judging the raid based on it's normal difficulty? Seems a tad strange. Like yea, normal was weirdly easy for this one, but at least judge it based on heroic mechanics and heroic difficulty, thats where the raid really starts anyway.

[@mrcyclone18]

Wow, I would have given the visuals of this raid more of a 7. Then again, I haven't raided as much as you guys have.

[@williammclachlan4078]

Loving EN overall but hating the eye. Never been a fan of "trash fights".

[@MrFalken91]

I mean everyone can see its an Vagina + you walk in and out of its womb ;)

[@juliansmit3770]

+Viktor Andersson Please get to look at a prover vagina lmao, normally a vagina isnt closed off with an eyeball weeb

[@theaveragecasual9971]

My guild went 6/7 in our first two nights, were having issues with Xavius and people soaking corruption, but some of us took it down yesterday to make some uf is 7/7. I think we'll clear it next week for sure, but I did enjoy the raid. Ursoc may have been a little too easy on normal, and as for comparing it to highmaul.... I liked Xavius but I would say Imperator was definitely a better fight. I myself gave Emerald Nightmare 7/10, and the Guldan tier is gonna be even better Im betting

[@LeonusStawalker]

I've liked most of EmNi. Nythendra and Ursoc were pretty simple and too easy and Tree was a bit frustrating but seems like it's gonna be boring and easy once we get it down to a science, but the other bosses were a lot of fun. I still liked Highmaul more, though, absolutely loved that raid.

[@HaseoOkami]

I can see why this raid would be annoying for Hardcore and Vets, but for most Casuals and somewhat decent raiders this was pretty good. I still haven't been bothered to do it yet, but it honestly looks fun excluding Ursoc and the Three Dragons. I think the Suramar raid is gonna be more your cup of tea. From what I saw on the Beta. Very interesting mechanics that I haven't seen at all if not for awhile. Then again I haven't seriously raided since Cata and pretty much ignored Pandaria and Warlords so... WTH do I know?

[@splinte111]

my guild and I went into this 10man hc completely blind. Most fun 6:30 hours spent learning the bosses 10/10 would do again.

[@RyanBM]

Preach for the love of god can you help the shadow priests out with adding your voice to our cause. Your opinion carries great weight with the raiding community and I know you aren't a shadow main but you were damn close to picking it. Even if you fully agree with the proposed changes on the upcoming hotfix, could you help me to understand them? With the 0 communication so far on the topic from Blizz regarding Shadow and the preceeding 0 comminucation for the past 4 weeks I'm extremely concerned with where this situation is headed.

[@TheTreekin]

i would love to get into one of these good raiding guilds :c

[@lililinx6722]

Link is broken :(

[@swest3731]

Preach would run through the mist after Nythendra XD

[@Aerozi]

Last fight looks like the the three kings boss on dark souls

[@NoContextOasis]

Can confirm that Discord does have mr robot voices

[@zFALLENzANGELz]

8:30-8:45 says he has never died, nor had a Raid wipe on Dragons and states doesn't even know how someone can die in this most basic of boss mechanics and there's like 6 people in the group dead. feelsbadman