Pro-gay Theology: "Leviticus doesn't count."

If God judged nations for these things when those nations never had the Law of Moses then we really can't set it aside because the account of it is found in the Old Testament.
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[@ogloc6308]

someones gonna comment “you guys eat shrimp and wear mixed fabrics!” 😂

[@jetsetjourneysofficial]

and crabs

[@mayonnaiseonanescalator7237]

But they're right tho. You can't just cherrypick verses from the old testament to suit your narrative in whatever situation you are facing. If we must follow all the laws of the old testament, does that mean that a survivor of r@pe should be forced to marry their r@pist? Does that mean that temporary enslavement as a way to pay off debt should be made legal? I don't think so.

[@iamdigory]

It'd be way easier to convince me to stop doing those than to convince me that God approves of homosexual sex.

[@Kunoichi139]

Yeah, so why do Christians eat unclean meats?

[@2besavedcom-7]

I've never heard a reasoned, Biblical response for tossing out the food Laws... All I ever hear is the added bits from Matt 15:17 and Peter's vision twisted beyond all recognition when Peter clearly said, "GOD has shown me not to call any MAN unclean."

[@neilmanuel2650]

God bless you, Mike Winger. I have recently become a true bible-believing Christian, and your guidance helps make this journey interesting, palatable, and rewarding. I am beginning to think biblically about everything in my life, and I love all my new brothers and sisters in Christ. KING JESUS REIGNS!!!

[@inYTbio_SiteLINKs2Verses_Bruv]

If you want to learn about homosexuality and the Bible, come to me, not him.

[@snowberriesx]

If you like Mike Winger you might also like Melissa Dougherty, J Warner Wallace, and Alisa Childers aswell. All of them are great and give sound doctrine. 🫡🙏🏻

[@inYTbio_SiteLINKs2Verses_Bruv]

@@snowberriesx No they don't. And I prove it. But listen, you don't have to believe me, proof is in the pudding.😁

[@nemamdala7300]

Keep reading the Word and keep allowing God to change you as you behold his Words to you.

[@inYTbio_SiteLINKs2Verses_Bruv]

@@nemamdala7300 Absolutely, go ONLY to the Word, best advice here.

[@morefiction3264]

Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked, not stands in the way of the sinner, nor sits in the seat of the scornful; but his delight is in the Law of the Lord and on his Law he meditates day and night. He is like a tree planted by streams of water that yields its fruit in its season; its leaf does not wither.

[@Authorthings]

Psalm 1! 😁

[@k.miller5015]

Amen. The Law of the LORD is translated from the original Hebrew, "The Torah of Yahweh". I wonder how many will look at this verse differently knowing this is referring to the Old Testament Torah (Law/Instruction)

[@morefiction3264]

@@k.miller5015 Yes. Although the Psalms in general are much more expansive in its exhortation to meditate than just meditating on the Torah, particularly in ch 119. We love the Law of God because we love God and the Law shows us our sins as though seeing our flaws in a mirror, compelling us to flee to the cross. Jesus tells us: If you love me, you will keep my commandments. How else would we keep his commandments than by storing them up in our heart and meditating on them day and night?

[@truthgiver8286]

Unless Jesus curses it for not bearing fruit out of season 😂🤣😂

[@joea.9969]

Every time i went to confession the priest told me to read that one

[@1PETER315.]

The morals do not change.

[@SeekTheCross]

This

[@RationalistMH]

Really? Because Christians 200 years ago upheld the morality of slavery by using the Bible. They also opposed women voting as early as 70 years ago. They also defended opposition to inter-racial marriage and race 'mixing' until 50 years ago. And all of them were 100% sure the Bible commanded them to do so. Your homophobia is increasingly out of brand, and people are now treating just like any other bigotry. Opinions like yours should rightfully be shunned from polite society.

[@victorianlover3328]

Exactly. I'm kinda old. I can remember back in the late 1970s when I became a hairdresser. And naturally in that business there are many gay men. I was a baby and a baby Christian and should have just kept my mouth shut until I had the full armor of God on. But I would say stupid stuff about it being wrong and against God's will. Inevitably, I have heard this said even today as if God's word changes, "It's the 1970s not the 1770s", over and over through the decades.

[@SeekTheCross]

@@victorianlover3328 thank you.

[@Heyght]

Never change

[@markussmith5818]

New motto: "Mike winger: so you don't wing it with the bible."

[@MichaelMcDonald-my2np]

Stay tuned you may come out next

[@FollowerofChrist12]

@@MichaelMcDonald-my2np You are not part of the brotherhood. You want people to be sexually immoral, rather than be a faithful sevants. You are decieved.

[@user-rh8fl8qz2z]

"Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceedeth from the mouth of GOD" - JESUS.

[@avishevin3353]

"Except the bits we don't care for." -- Christians

[@lukejones5272]

@@avishevin3353 You're right. The fact is Jesus also said "Do not think I came to abolish the law... whoever does the least of these commands and *teaches others to do the same* will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven." Keep the whole law, otherwise you're a law-breaker [James 2:10-11] Do what you can. The temple is gone, the priesthood is gone, the rest is really good stuff.

[@repentnow1720]

Next will be Jesus saying "go and sin no more" - oh, wait - they've been questioning that entire passage for decades!

[@67L48]

Yep, it just sucks so bad that the Jesus we seem to want to worship has only a loose resemblance to the Jesus of the Bible. So, how do we reverse engineer the Bible to better represent the God/Jesus we want and that better represents our sensibilities? That seems to be the guiding principle to modern "Christianity."

[@TicketToRide-dj4vk]

@@67L48 It is the corrupted church of Laodicea -- they think they are so smart and rich -- but they are blind and stupid and on their way to Hell..... Rev 3.

[@billbadson7598]

_"Next will be Jesus saying "go and sin no more" - oh, wait - they've been questioning that entire passage for decades!"_ I used to think antinomianism was just a religious slur that legalists used to belittle people who didn't follow their narrow view of a religious life, and there's no way there could actually be people who think the law just *no longer applies at all.* Then I moved to a big city where most of the churches have rainbow flags out front.

[@sidwhiting665]

I sat through a "bar church" session one time with a so-called progressive church, and they did a Q&A session after the message. Someone asked, "Do we still need the Old Testament?" Dead silence from all the folks there and even their "pastor." I finally walked up to the front and told them, "Yes, we absolutely need to OT. Jesus thought it was important enough to learned it, quote it, and reaffirm much of it. It tells the story of why we need Jesus in the first place." Sad that no one knew or was willing to speak on that truth. I stopped attending that group soon after. Later heard a podcast where their "pastor" threw out the doctrine of atonement, basically saying, "Jesus died because humans are oppressors." Oi weh! Nice people, but 100% in the dark about who Jesus is, what he did, and why it matters for us.

[@jenniferditman3788]

What's a bar church? - and good job standing up!

[@sidwhiting665]

@@jenniferditman3788 they were a community outreach from a fairly "progressive" church in our area. They met on Wednesday early evening from 6 - 7 pm in a downtown bar for 30 minutes of music followed by a 30 minute message. Yes, you could have a beer or other beverage and sip it. It wasn't billed as any kind of worship service, and most of the music was secular. Their goal they said was to make a comfortable place where people could come and ask questions and feel accepted. I didn't know much about them when a buddy invited me to go, and I was kind of at a cross-roads with my then current church anyway, so I attended 3-4 events. I give them full props for trying something out of the box, but it became clear to me quickly that they were Christian nominally. They liked "love is love" Jesus, but they didn't like "My word is sharper than a double edged sword" Jesus who preached repentance and taking up our cross to follow him. I found a good church home shortly thereafter and have been attending ever since, serving actively in worship leadership and our Men's group. My buddy is also at our new church serving. We both came to the same conclusion that they were more or less a unitarian / social justice organization rather than a Christian church. Nice people, good outreach idea, but the Jesus they were trying to introduce people to, ultimately, was not the Jesus of the Scriptures.

[@jenniferditman3788]

@sidwhiting665 thanks for the reply. I agree with everything you said. They were thinking out of the box. We could try to do that more often, but yes, any other gospel is doomed.

[@nathanieldiaz2845]

Satan planted seed long ago that have been blooming in mass lately. The whole splitting the bible into 2 "Testaments" the gradual and subtle disparaging of the Torah/Law over the centuries, this is the seed of Lawlessness, planted by the Spirt of Antichrist. The lawless one, who is coming to reap the harvest he sowed. Praise God he has his own seeds and soon he will reap his own harvest, and destroy the seed of Satan. Upon Messiah return the Torah will go out to the nations finally bringing Justice as God defines it to the World!! MICAH 4:1-2!! Glad you stood up

[@williamlugmayer3429]

The new testament is in the old testament concealed, the old testament is in the new testament revealed. It's more than rules, morality and ethics, it is prophecy. It tells us WHO GOD IS, who we are, why we need a Savior and WHO the Savior IS and how HE will make all things new. Shalom and maranatha.

[@user-ud9og6qm9h]

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@lukejones5272]

It also describes what God wants for our lives and how he expects us to obey him. His laws are LIFE and BLESSING! - Moses, and David

[@williamlugmayer3429]

@@lukejones5272 JESUS CHRIST above all. David and Moses sinned, JESUS did not because HE IS GOD THE SON. They needed JESUS CHRIST to redeem them.

[@lukejones5272]

@@williamlugmayer3429 I agree that David and Moses are saved by the blood of the Savior, Jesus, who was the only human to fully submit to God, walk in the Spirit, and never sin. I was trying to highlight that these men who loved and served God wrote in our Bibles that God's Law is Life and Blessing, "for your good." Deut 30:15-16, Psalm 119

[@Bigfoottehchipmunk]

God was re-teaching His people after they left enslavement in a decadent society. Those who throw all that out are opening themselves up to enslavement to sin. No, we can't keep all of it of our own strength and fortitude, which is why the Father sent His Son and then gave us the Holy Spirit, so we can live free and alive in Christ.

[@new_comment]

Dear community, I am posting on, Pastor Mikes video. Just to ask that all who will, please pray for my wife, Josara. We were notified today that she has cancer. We are now waiting on contact from the oncologist, in order to get her in for a PET scan and further tests. I'm asking for prayers to our Father, that the cancer hasn't metastasized or gotten out of hand. Even if this is so, I know nothing is impossible for our Lord God. We have two young sons, who love their momma more than I could ever describe. She is the most perfect, beautiful, loving woman in the world to me. I would gladly take her place 10000 times over if I could. I have been madly in love with her since our first kiss, 24 years ago. Please just pray for her, and the comfort of our sons. But above all else, pray for the will of the Lord God, to be done, because in all of this I keep reminding myself; Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. Thank you and God bless

[@ClassicAudiobooksInspirations]

Amen.

[@SimpleNotShallow]

I love how you tell straight-up truths and still convey a compassionate, loving perspective. You are not harsh and judgmental. That is refreshing. So very cool.

[@arshuando2466]

He's still being hateful, regardless of how he conveys his message

[@weston06.]

@@arshuando2466no he’s not lol

[@Mrs.CGraves]

The OT gave us Morality, Values, societal practices in money, how to be good spouses, how to raise the next Generation.. everything wasn’t re-taught in the New Testament because they were observant Jews. They already studied, practiced, understood the LAW, the Ten Moral Commandments. So saying sexual immorality, fiscal immorality and impropriety, disobedience this was umbrella’s under what was ALREADY known.

[@deadmanwalkin180]

True! Jesus didn't come to abolish the law, but he said he came to fulfill it. In first century Judaism, fulfilling the law meant interpreting it properly and applying it the right way. We learn the principles and apply them into our own cultures in our own nations.

[@k.miller5015]

Yeah. I think Mike might have his hands full trying to explain why he thinks we shouldn't be obeying the rest of God’s Law.

[@Mrs.CGraves]

@@deadmanwalkin180 as we can see, we NEVER can fully obey every Law. We are fallen and human, and it’s the sinful nature of our hearts that offend God too. Jesus became the PERFECT sacrifice for all our Sins. And then sent The Comforter the Holy Spirit to convict our spirit to keep us on track. We just keep our eyes on Christ, and trying everyday with the Holy Spirit to bring Glory to God in our actions. People twisting and changing Scripture (ye shall not change or add to My Holy Scriptures) is definitely not bringing Glory to God.

[@Mrs.CGraves]

@@k.miller5015 we are under a N w Covenant because Jesus fulfilled The Law, but Moral Laws still stand.

[@truthgiver8286]

In your dreams there is no morality in the bible There is incest, rape, Slavery, and lots of killing. You either have not read the old testament or you are ignoring the bits bits that show you what an evil book it is.

[@deedavis6490]

Didn’t Jesus say he didn’t come to abolish the Law and the Prophets but to fulfill them?

[@ricksonora6656]

Yes, that’s part of it. Here’s the rest: The Law was a contract (covenant) between God and Israel. Israel defaulted on its obligations, and Christ fulfilled God’s obligations. When one party defaults on its obligations, the contract goes into a penalty phase. Thus, Rome destroyed the remains of Israel, including the Temple, and exiled the Jews in 70 AD. OTOH, Jesus fulfilled all the typology of the ceremonial elements of the Law. When a contract goes into its penalty phase on one side and is fulfilled on the other side, it is no longer in effect. All this is atop the fact that the contract, being between God and Israel, never had jurisdiction over gentiles. The moral points of the Law still define the line between sin and righteousness, and the ceremonial elements point us to faith Christ.

[@2besavedcom-7]

@@ricksonora6656- Indeed, the Covenant has no bearing on gentiles, but unless you're part of the Covenant you have no place in the marriage supper of the Lamb! Those who were ONCE gentiles are "grafted in to Israel," thus the Covenant is ONLY with Israel. "And I shall take you [Israel] as a BRIDE unto Me forever, and take you as a BRIDE unto Me in righteousness...” (Hos 2:19) "Behold, the days come, saith Yahweh, that I will make a NEW COVENANT with the house of ISRAEL, and with the house of JUDAH..." (Jer 31:31)

[@nathanieldiaz2845]

Matthew 5:17-20, micah 4:1-2 Romans 3:31, 1 john 3:4, romans chapter 6-8 emphasize chapter 6 and chapter 8:5-9 As for the confusion that comes mainly from Paul's letters Always remember the required reading before doing a study on any of Paul's letters. It's from the Holy Spirit through Peter ‭2 Peter 3:14-18 HCSB‬ [14] Therefore, dear friends, while you wait for these things, make every effort to be found at peace with Him without spot or blemish. [15] Also, regard the patience of our Lord as an opportunity for salvation, just as our dear brother Paul has written to you according to the wisdom given to him. [16] He speaks about these things in all his letters in which there are some matters that are hard to understand. The untaught and unstable twist them to their own destruction, as they also do with the rest of the Scriptures. [17] Therefore, dear friends, since you know this in advance, be on your guard, so that you are not led away by the error of lawless people and fall from your own stability. [18] But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen. Lawless=Torahlessness Sin is biblically defined as the breaking of the Torah/Law. Yeshua/Jesus specifically stated that not even the smallest letter of the law would be done away with until Heaven and Earth pass away which if we look around it hasn't happened. Something that Mike Winger and others like him forget is that prophecy specifically states that even during the millennial reign when Messiah himself is sitting on the throne that the temple itself will be in full use animal sacrifices and all.. while there are many prophecies that make reference to this the most explicit one is Ezekiel chapter 40 to the end of the book. MATTHEW 517-20 he meant what he said and he said what he meant. Hence the biggest warning in scripture at the end of the same sermon Matthew 7:21-27 Heed the words of God not men

[@crystalvulpine2314]

No, the anti-Marcionite reactionary who wrote Matthew said he said that.

[@crystalvulpine2314]

Nevertheless, he did re-establish the real law because our Torah records are horribly corrupted, both by literal tampering and traditions of wrong understandings.

[@ramenbear]

The Moral Law does not change

[@alexblack6634]

No no. The whole law did not change

[@indigofenrir7236]

@@alexblack6634 No, no. The moral law did not change. The ceremonial and civil law of the Israelites do not apply to us, unless you want to find a sheep to slaughter and burn on an altar every time you sin.

[@TheSamuraiElf]

David had multiple wives and concubines, was polygamy and fornication with concubines MORALLY wrong? Cause sometimes I hear theologians say "Oh, that was the custom of the time so that kings can show their power." (I think homosexuality is a sin btw)

[@JadDragon]

​@@TheSamuraiElf Yes it was wrong

[@ahumblemerchant241]

@@TheSamuraiElfThere's actually warnings in the Law (Deut. 17:14-20) against the King being a polygamist and it warns it will cause the King to turn away from God. David and Solomon's primary sins against God revolved against transgressing that warning (David and Bathsheeba, Solomon's many wives), so you see the narrative of the Old Testament as well as the Law is judgemental concerning their behavior in that respect.

[@guyslogic777]

Been getting bit of folks defending gay relationships and lgbt stuff while claiming to be Christian. Many (not just on this topic) fail to differentiate between messing up here and there while trying to be better and overcome sin, and choosing to remain in a lifestyle of it. As if laws based on one's convenience.

[@robertmurray9067]

Right. A temptation he said to avoid. We all have them. We have to fight the temptation and the tempter . God's word is the only way.

[@RationalistMH]

@@robertmurray9067 we all have them? so everyone is tempted to have gay sex? No, that's a lie. Straight people are not tempted to be gay. If you are, stop lying to yourself and admit you're at least bisexual.

[@evage99]

This is my mom. She declared herself a Christian and finally began going to church on Sunday mornings, but the rest of the week you wouldn't have any idea. She smokes, drinks in excess, cusses, blasphemes, gossips, does nasty little acts of revenge against people she's angry with (she told me that recently, and was proud of it! I won't let her near my drink now, in case she's mad at me and I don't realize it)...I confronted her on these things not long ago, asking her why she deliberately lived in sin if she's saved by Christ. She said "I am saved, and I can do whatever the f--- I want! Who are you to judge me??" All I can do now is offer scripture verses (which she doesn't seem to believe, sadly)...and keep her away from my food.

[@guyslogic777]

@@evage99 Had similar issue with my mother, but she came around after sharing with her through the word, and sermons (close call too, as this happened before she got really sick and passed away). But she didn't always feel like hearing it, or maybe I didn't come across in a good way. Stay strong and keep sharing with her and praying, knowing you doing what you can. Saved or not, as long as one is breathing, there's hope to come/return to Christ! Situations and pain from life can make one stubborn and bitter, even when faced with biblical truth/facts. Sorry to hear you going through that, as its painful to watch loved ones lost, or stumbling in their walk. But will pray, and thank you for sharing!

[@crystalvulpine2314]

There is no law against it, the modern translations are *blatantly* adding it.

[@jsharp1776]

God's ways are eternally the same. He doesn't very Day to Day, otherwise he would cease to be God. Thanks for explaining this Mike, you have done a great job with it. Have a blessed Easter weekend!

[@Zilam]

The very sad and sick thing is that many are throwing out the other parts as well. Top searches on porn sites indicate that people looking for very taboo topics (incest, bestiality, etc.) are increasing.

[@giraffewhiskers2045]

Yeah.. and we are still saying homosexuality is wrong with the countless of scientists saying it’s not sinful.. and let’s not forget that Christians are s/a in church (I was)

[@jackplumbridge2704]

@@giraffewhiskers2045 Your comment doesn't seem to make any sense. Scientists have nothing to say about whether something is sinful or not. And what is s/a?

[@giraffewhiskers2045]

@@jackplumbridge2704 sexually assault.. is s/a

[@giraffewhiskers2045]

@@jackplumbridge2704 This one talks specifically about the trans brain but it doesn’t change for gay or bi people.. you see lesbains have the attraction to a female like a cis male would and a gay man has attraction to a man like a cis women would Also animals ( we are mammals I type of animal) have homosexual sex and some are homosexual The best way to treat gender dysmorphia is by accepting trans people and no, most trans kids don’t get surgery, the most they could do is be on a waiting list to get on puperty blockers and they have to get past the council classes or sessions.. then have to wait a few years I believe could be months to get on estrogen or testosterone, most of the time they are above 18 to get other stuff This is why i like to be open minded, I don’t agree with everything lgbt people do but I also don’t agree anything most of homophobic people do, I love all religions until they push beliefs and harm others and I don’t like all the atheists that make fun of religious people I simply just try and understand all sides of the story and come up with my own conclusion

[@CLDJ227]

​​@@giraffewhiskers2045 No one is denying that people have certain attractions, but this video is specifically talking about people (as in everyone) commiting certain sexual acts 🤔.

[@bencarson8426]

Hey pastor Mike! My dad is Daryl Carson, pastor of a Calvary Chapel church in south AL. He went to school with you! I believe he sent you an email a few months back, talkimg about how your videos have brought people to our church. I wanted to say hello, and thank you for the videos and live streams! I was a fan before my dad told me he knew you, but that made things all the better.

[@jjphank]

And the Pre-TRIB rapture is wrong. It’s part of the group falling away both of them in the same verse there Hass to be recognized and Will be a falling away , 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 “Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;”

[@dano8613]

​@jjphank I agree with you but I just want to know, we're you responding to something specific because it seems random

[@bencarson8426]

@@dano8613 pre-trib rapture is a belief of calvary Chapel churches. I haven't done much looking into it, and I'll be doing more research than what @jjphank told me

[@jjphank]

@@dano8613 Yeah I don’t want people to be misled, and unready! pre-trib is a proponent of Calvary Chapel’s I used to be a Calvary Chapel guy!! To be forewarned is to be forearmed

[@dano8613]

@@jjphank amen

[@euanthompson]

I regularly hear "oh, well it was just about pagan ritual worship" because of the Molek verse. They never bother to think about the implications with the rest of the chapter.

[@MeatEatingVegan777]

Or the fact that that behavior is repeatedly brought up in the bible.

[@Cedric244]

@euanthompson James White totally destroyed this argument in his book about homoseuxality

[@MakeRoomForGod]

"For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness." (1 Thessalonians 5:1-5) The world has no idea what's about to come upon it. That said, we were told it'd be this way at His coming. 🎺✝️🎺

[@indigofenrir7236]

Romans 1:26-27 Don't be gay. Even the New Testament has it.

[@danielespitia1776]

Resist sexual temptations(Of all kinds). Temptations are normal. Giving in is where the sin is.

[@ricksonora6656]

@@Hadrianus01Name-calling is so childish.

[@janickgonzalez8900]

​@@Hadrianus01that's literally an ad hominem fallacy....

[@indigofenrir7236]

@@Hadrianus01 Homosexuality is the desire of a person to engage in lustful behavior with someone sharing the same sex so as to avoid reproduction during pleasure. So yes, we hate that kind of behavior.

[@JmPie74]

Yes God doesn’t approve of homosexuality. He also doesn’t approve of my sin. So we repent, and change. Homosexuals are not specially called out. All struggle with sin, many struggle with lust, sexual urges etc, we shouldn’t act on them.

[@amyelaine9073]

The channel Christianity Commons just had a interview/debate with Brandon Roberts regarding this subject. Brandon does not answer Biblical standards because that is the behavior he want to continue. But the interviewer Mike McDonald lovingly keeps directing Brandon back to truth. Check out the discussion.

[@amyelaine9073]

Robertson....

[@jsharp1776]

It's an abomination in the sight of the Lord.

[@ricksonora6656]

@@jsharp1776Yes, it is, but we can discuss it politely without using incendiary terms.

[@RationalistMH]

@@jsharp1776 Hatred is also an abomination, so is being judgemental. You're no different than your average jackass.

[@jsharp1776]

@@ricksonora6656 Why do you feel like sugar coating the terms? Instead of being straight forward with exactly what it is Rick? These people are in direct contradiction to the very first commandment God gave to Adam and Eve to bring forth good fruit and replenish the earth. Being Homosexual is the reason why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. Sexual sin is the cancer of our world. Jesus Christ wants people to repent of their sins and come back to his flock. Have a great day, God bless!

[@jtbasener8740]

My heart really breaks for those under this ideology. Thank you for helping bring truth where it is needed.

[@mp1k3]

One man and one woman together forever: Matthew 19:4-5 and Mark 10:6-8. Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

[@crystalvulpine2314]

No, Matthew 22:30. Marriage is not forever, nor ideal even in this life.

[@theslizzlemeister5862]

I never use the Leviticus passages first in these conversations because people will ignore it for being in the Old Testament. But homosexuality is condemned many times in the New Testament (Romans 1:28, 1 Corinthians 6:9 etc.) so I just use those in my arguments instead. The Leviticus passages are of course still valid but using the New Testament examples just side steps the whole "not valid because old covenant" debate.

[@staciewittenmyer1011]

The orientation of LGBT has never been addressed in the Bible. Sodom and Gomorrah was about raping strangers instead of giving them hospitality. The new testament is in the Roman empire that had sex cults. None of this is comparable to same sex families that exist today.

[@diyapia]

Christ is King! Happy Easter, Mike! Blessings on your ministry.

[@smjmartialarts1438]

Thank you so very much for sharing this wonderful and invaluable information. May God Bless you for all the hard work you do for us

[@nitatucker7628]

Thank you so much for your great insights.. I've learned so much listening to you!! Bless you, Mike!

[@stephenbailey9969]

Jesus said that the Law of Moses was not even the perfect ideal of God, that his righteous desire for humanity goes even further. As the scriptures describe, a man should not even lust (selfish longing) after anyone, that his desire for his wife should be in a sharing manner and not selfish, nor should he ever attempt to rid himself of his wife, and that the good for all others is to be chaste. It reminds us how broken we all are, far beyond any societal arguments between 'straight' and 'gay'. Thank heaven for his grace and forgiveness, as well as the power of the Spirit to make us new.

[@crystalvulpine2314]

The Law of Moses was human attempts to apply divine law.

[@jeyathagna4548]

I LOVE YOU PASTOR MIKE AND TEAM!!!! ❤❤❤❤

[@angelegend]

Love your content Mike. What software do you use that allows you to record in split screen the way you do?

[@elmerdyson309]

Jesus did say that He came to fulfill the law , not do away with it. That tells me it’s still valid.

[@2besavedcom-7]

Actually the word "fulfil" has changed in meaning over the years and gives the impression that "fulfil" means it's complete and done away with. This is NOT what the original language meant, but fulfil means rather to "fill up," or "accomplish." Much like some translations read "Christ is the END of the Law," when the original meaning was "Christ is the GOAL of the Law." (Rom 10:4)

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

You have to remember that we are both to get rid of it AND not get rid of it. Make sense now?

[@Latham74]

2 Timothy 4:3-4 KJV For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

[@jimyoung9262]

Good word. Lord Jesus help us to talk with You in these times, neither in immorality nor in hatred of those who don't know You.

[@TicketToRide-dj4vk]

Apostle Paul clearly teaches that those that continue in sexual sin and refuse to stop are to be REMOVED from the congregation of believers -- and the believers are not to associate with them -- 1Corinth 5. This is to protect the Congregation of GOD -- and it doesn't matter if their feelings are hurt or not.....

[@bryanc2262]

"The grass withers, the flower fades, but the Word of our Lord (who is Christ) shall stand FOREVER." Isaiah 40:8

[@sarabee7710]

I always say it, you can do what you want here on earth, you can argue with the bible, you can tear out the pages, you can even burn it...but if what is written there is the reality and actually a fact of life... you will face the God of the bible and answer questions....and no amount of equivocating and playing around with language will deliver you from His judgement.

[@nemamdala7300]

Amen. Lord lord and he will say....I never knew you. Let's not be conformed to this evil world

[@sarabee7710]

@@nemamdala7300 Agreed.

[@JacquelineCordovaBRedD69]

Amen!🙏🏽

[@20Hikecdt23]

“All script is given by inspirations of God” still there in the Bible. Thanks for your great ministry!

[@6TDOW66]

"And as for you, be fruitful and multiply; Bring forth abundantly in the earth And multiply in it." 'nuff said

[@sovereigngodlisaloves9525]

THROW AWAY THE SIN NOT THE WORD. Those laws are good. Jesus fulfilled them. And removing the words doesn't mean that God hasn't proclaimed them.

[@Arzen0627]

”Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.“ ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5‬:‭17‬-‭18‬

[@2besavedcom-7]

Well, look at that! I can still see the heavens and I'm standing on the earth! I wonder where the Sabbath went? I wonder where the Festivals of Yahweh went? I wonder where the good food Laws went? So many Laws thrown aside for "Christianity."

[@TicketToRide-dj4vk]

The Law is not for a Righteous Man -- 1Timothy 1:9 -- and Jesus has made all Believers completely RIGHTEOUS/justified/perfect in the eyes of GOD -- see 2Corinth 5:21, Hebrews 10:10,14,17-18, 1Corinth 6:11, Romans 5:1-2, etc. -- *so the Law/Command Contract written in stone is not for us or our Righteousness like the OT Jews -- Deut **6:25**, 2Corinth 3:3-11, Galatians 3:11-26.*

[@2besavedcom-7]

@@TicketToRide-dj4vk - How do YOU define righteous? The BIBLE defines "sin" as "LAWLESSNESS." (1Jn 3:4) the SAME WORD for those stnding at the Door knocking, crying, "Lord, Lord" who will hear: "Depart from Me, you who do LAWLESSNESS." (Mat 7:23)

[@TicketToRide-dj4vk]

@@2besavedcom-7 YOU: How do YOU define righteous? *ME: It means SINLESS. NT Believers have been JUSTIFIED/made Righteous or Sinless in the eyes of GOD because Jesus' Body on the wooden cross became cursed with ALL of our sins and ALL of God's judgement for our sins* -- see 1Peter 2:24, John 12:31-33, Galatians 3:13, etc -- *and Jesus GAVE us sinful Believers the FREE GIFT of Righteousness because of our Faith in him* -- see 2Corinth 5:21, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 5:12-21, etc. *Jesus' sinless blood placed on the altar in Heaven 2000 years ago has given sinful Believers NEVER ENDING, PERPETUAL forgiveness/atonement for our sins* -- Hebrews 9:12,26,28, etc GOD continually sees us as SINLESS/Righteous because of the blood of Jesus -- not because of our own actions. *Jesus' ONE offering 2000 years ago has made sinful Believers so HOLY/sanctified, PURIFIED/cleansed, and PERFECT/righteous/justified in the eyes of GOD, that there is nothing else that we or anyone can ADD, including obeying the Law/Command Contract* -- see Hebrews 10:10,14,17-18, 1Corinth 6:11, etc *Jesus' shed blood 2000 years ago has so completely PURIFIED and made RIGHTEOUS/sinless the sinful Believers, that holy GOD Himself indwells the Believer -- we ARE the Holy of Holies where holy GOD dwells* -- see 1Corinth 3:16 -- *Jesus' sacrifice made sinful Believers so completely Righteous/sinless in the eyes of GOD, that sinful Believers are completely reconciled back to holy GOD* -- Colossians 1:20-22 -- *we are One Spirit with holy GOD* -- 1Corinth 6:17 -- *and we are ALREADY IN God's holy eternal Kingdom* -- see Colossians 1:12-14. Since Jesus has made us RIGHTEOUS/sinless in the eyes of GOD, the Law/Command Contract is no longer applicable to us for Righteousness -- 1Tim 1:9. *Sadly, it seems that you have forgotten what Jesus actually accomplished for sinful Believers.*

[@TicketToRide-dj4vk]

@@2besavedcom-7 YOU: The BIBLE defines "sin" as "LAWLESSNESS." (1Jn 3:4) the SAME WORD for those stnding at the Door knocking, crying, "Lord, Lord" who will hear: "Depart from Me, you who do LAWLESSNESS." *ME: 1). Right -- "sin" for the JEWS/Israel is disobeying their Law/Command Contract written in stone* (Exodus 24:12) -- *but the Church is not under that Law/Command Contract for our Righteousness with GOD* - see 2Corinth 3:3-11, Romans 8:1-3, etc -- *we are DEAD to (can not sin against) the Law/Command Contract because we have RETURNED to the original Faith Contract of Abraham given 430 years BEFORE the temporary Law/Command Contract of Moses* -- see Galatians 3:3-11 -- *and therefore, we are Righteous by FAITH ALONE just like the gentile Abraham was* -- see Romans 4:1-4, Romans 5:1-2, Genesis 15:6, etc. *2)). There was no Law/Command Contract between GOD and people from Adam to Moses* -- see Romans 5:13-14 -- *and where there is NO LAW, there can be no "transgression/sin" against the Law* -- Romans 4:15. The gentiles like Enoch, Noah, Abraham, etc had FAITH Contracts with GOD -- they were Righteous in the eyes of GOD by their FAITH -- Hebrews 11:5-6, Genesis 15:6, etc -- *and so it is for the NT Believers.*

[@sorrynotsorryapologetics]

Hi Mike Winger, appreciate you making this video! I’ve had multiple meetings with team members from Preston Sprinkles organization the Center for Faith, Gender, & Sexuality, and many other people including a scholar in Jewish laws etc. I presented arguments surrounding this topic and to my surprise and thankfulness, they have all agreed or atleast conceded many arguments even if they didn’t change their entire position. I would LOVE to have a meeting, even if off the record, to discuss this and I can guarantee that discussing my position would be worth your while. I’ll be praying for that! :) There is no way I can communicate hours worth of an argument in this comment box being that it has multiple parts, but here is just something simple for now. Christians are not under the Old Covenant law at all. So Leviticus 18 including the “uncovering your mother’s nakedness” is not for us at all. Does this mean that Christians can believe that we can uncover our mother’s nakedness today? By no means! Because that wouldn’t be “loving” (more to say about this, just not here) which is the point of the New Covenant. Christians are led by love, not law. Thats how we decide what we do and don’t do. The Holy Spirit (GOD) is our counselor. Not the law. That’s the entire point of the old wineskins parable and many others. The Old Testament also says that if a married couple divorces and remarries and then divorces again and comes back to their original spouse then that is an ABOMINATION ON THE LAND. Christians today would most likely refer to that as a blessing from God to reunite the couple. But if that was an abomination on the land then according to the logic of “God not wanting pagan nations to do homosexuality either” and there for that is an objective moral, we should still believe today that the married couple divorcing and coming back together is still an abomination. (Which we don’t seem to believe as Christians - I know I don’t). The problem is when Christians look to the Old Testament at all for any laws because Christianity has nothing to do with the law, that’s Judaism. We are technically gentiles and this was resolved in Acts 15 and MANY places throughout the New Testament. We have Holy Spirit. The new testament authors are constantly trying to teach that the OT is obsolete, and Christians struggle with this concept because we don’t trust the Holy Spirit alone. Just as the Israelites wanted a king, the Jews wanted a law, Christians want a law too, even though we are clearly children of promise (ABRAHAM), by faith alone before the law of Moses was even written. Our moral standard is not the law written in Leviticus. There has been a law of love within us since the beginning, or else for what reason does God judge Cain, the people in Noah’s day, Abraham, etc. It’s LOVE. Jesus repeats this as being the point of the New Covenant which is why he was able to break the law (the sabbath) but DIDNT BREAK THE LAW (love) . The Pharisees didn’t understand that because they were so attached to the OT. Jesus was trying to get rid of that mentality. Would love to hear your thoughts. Please know that I am smiling and love having these convos. I say this because tone can come off wrong in texts, but I really do love your channel for years and just wanted to respond 😊. Best, Juuna’e

[@weightiermatterspodcast]

Love your videos! How. do you display your scriptures? is It a bible app that you use or is it a website and you're using display capture?

[@timjordan969]

The moral law does not change.

[@IndyB23]

Hi! Curious non-believer here: is it your view that the law that was given about homosexuality is moral? That is, do you think that it was a fair thing to do to criminalise homosexuality and prescribe the punishment that was given for it? Thanks!

[@elvisdoeskfc]

The Mosaic Law is a contract entered into specifically between God and ancient Israel and, as such, had enforcement provisions. The NT condemns homosexuality but contains no punishment for it. Keep in mind that atheist/communist regimes frequently criminalized even the private, consensual practice of homosexuality partly due to public health concerns.@@IndyB23

[@Octavius634]

Loving God and loving your neighbors covers the old testament laws. If you don't want to follow the law, you don't love God and you don't love your neighbors. Loving God, your neighbors, and not following the law cannot coexist!

[@kevinevilsizer7609]

Hey Mike, question, Pasted from last video, I recently was asked about substitutes for swears, (oh my gosh, shoot, crap, darn, etc.) because I often use them. Someone asked me, is it legalistic to use those words, in the same sense and context and meaning as their swear counterparts. I was unsure how to answer this but I figured that it might be somewhat hypocritical, at the very least controversial, and as I have been watching you over the years, I noticed you say them at times as well. Is this a a legalistic loophole? Or am I just wayyyyy overthinking this, haha. Love your channel and all the great insight you’ve given me and people, may God bless you and give you wisdom.

[@Anabee3]

THANK YOU PASTOR WINGER!

[@surfboy344]

The Council of Jerusalem addressed this. See the book of Acts.

[@k.miller5015]

Hi Mike, as you say at the 3:20 mark, "Follow the formula. Pegan nations did this. I don't want you doing it either. God judges all people, whether they are under the law or not". So as we read in Leviticus 20:23 "You must not live according to the customs of the nations" Leviticus 20:25 "You must therefore make a distinction between the clean and the unclean animals". If we "follow the formula", as I believe we should be, then we are to be obeying God's dietary Laws. (To head off those reading this and then want to misquote Mark 7:19. Jesus declared all FOODS clean. Not all things food. Jesus isn't rewriting the Law of God, saying we can eat unclean animals now. Jesus is just explaining that eating without following the man-made tradition of ceremonial washing of hands, has no effect on making food unclean.) So Mike, using what you are saying in this video, can you please explain why Leviticus 18 is applicable but in your opinion Leviticus 20 is not. It seems that you are still picking and choosing which Laws of God you want to follow and ignore the ones you don't feel like following.

[@chelsealovingbooks5961]

I could be wrong, but I believe it comes down to the different types of laws (moral, civil or ceremonial). As far as I can see Leviticus 18 is talking about moral laws, whereas Leviticus 20 is talking civil laws (for the 'nation' of Israel). We do need to keep in mind that part of the law is God making a contract with that nation to be His representative nation and those civil laws were specifically for them at that time.

[@k.miller5015]

@@chelsealovingbooks5961 Hi, I understand what you are saying. We are told we only need to keep the moral laws. But is it moral to disobey God's instruction? These dietary Laws I referenced are "following the formula" given here is this video. I am pointing out that the rational is not a constant one. It is easy to point out the speck in someone else's eye, but we need to remove plank in our eye first.

[@MrMooid]

@@chelsealovingbooks5961 to @k.miller5015'point, if we look at Genesis 7:2, "Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female." we can see the concept of what is a clean animal vs unclean animal. Should it not follow that since that principle be there before Moses, it is after Moses. I have personally realized that the Torah (or "Good Instruction") is merely the codifying of all the moral things that we should know. Hence when I read the New Covenant, we are told about the moral things that can be stumbling block, hence it is mentioned.

[@2besavedcom-7]

@@chelsealovingbooks5961 - Who made this distinction of "Moral Law" vs. "Civil Law"? It's not in the Bible! As the OP pointed out in Matt 5:18 "not ONE yod or tittle will pass form the Law till ALL is complete." I still see the heavens, I still stand on the earth, thus ALL the Law/Covenant stands.

[@arditienthusiast8384]

He said it already it's clearly reiterated in the NT that Lev18 still applies.

[@svenva]

I had a talk with a christian friend of mine. We were talking about natural rights, and eventually I came to the point of self-defense (ownership of your own body). I said that if it was necessary, as a last resort, it is morally acceptable to kill. e.g., when a gunman with an automatic walks into your church, you have the right to defend the people. My friend said he would have a problem with that, as we do not live under the law anymore (where eye for eye was the guideline), but we live under grace (turn the other cheek). He said that as a Christian, you ought not to kill the gunman, as you take away the opportunity for him to repent and also receive grace. And, If we are killed, it is not a problem as we are saved anyway. What do you think? Anything to add? I think it is an interesting discussion, and I can see where he is coming from. Typing this as it also relates to the old covenant thing

[@valenciawalker6498]

Amen 🙏🏽✝️🕊️📖✝️God will not be mocked

[@MisterKilogram]

Sir Ian McKellen, who played Gandalf the Grey, said in an interview that he rips out Leviticus 18 from the bible each time he stays in a hotel room.

[@Authorthings]

Well that's something I didn't want to know... =/

[@sidwhiting665]

He better rip out Genesis Ch 2, Matthew 19:5-6 , and also several pages of Paul's letters, or the message is still abundantly clear: one man, one woman, for a lifetime.

[@grapesofmath1539]

Yeah unfortunately that guy is no more than an actor. Guess what the Greek word for actor is ┐_┐

[@stepheneickhoff4953]

Ooh, he really showed God, didn't he?

[@grapesofmath1539]

@@stepheneickhoff4953 On judgement day it'll be a different story... If he doesn't repent :/

[@deplorusbrownjr.8387]

I'm reminded of Matthew 5:17... After the beatitudes Jesus says, "Do not think I have come to abolish the law or the prophets, I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." The law is still in place guys, Christ just made a way for us.....

[@vladstr100]

Moral law yes. It's the ceremonial law that no longer applies to us.

[@AlphonsoFrett-xz6pi]

Thanks for pointing out the nightmare fuel levels of hypocrisy

[@colmcille9669]

Very good point, which I've never heard before.

[@midimusicforever]

The only true identity for humans is that we are made in the image of God. We are fallen, and we need to be restored to what we were made to be.

[@quickattackfilms7923]

Day 261 of asking where I can get that hoodie.

[@indigofenrir7236]

You could go to Mike's house and ask if he wants to trade your children for it.

[@quickattackfilms7923]

@@indigofenrir7236 How do you delete someone else’s comment?

[@indigofenrir7236]

​@@quickattackfilms7923I mean, if you spent 261 days asking for that hoodie, it warrants an appropriate response that takes into account your priorities.

[@DUDEBroHey]

​@@quickattackfilms7923the internet is forever

[@oxysz]

@@quickattackfilms7923😅

[@wakmar]

Good video! Small critique: I'd suggest turning off your globe when filming, as it will make any cuts less jarring and obvious.

[@GraftedOliveBranch]

"I have not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it." ~ Jesus

[@kymmoore853]

It’s something I’ve always said and can’t understand…they always target the idea that Lev 18:22 is bad because it interferes with their lifestyles, but they have no issues with Leviticus saying all these other things are a problem.

[@TicketToRide-dj4vk]

Forget Leviticus -- the Apostle Paul demonstrates clearly in Romans 1:25-28 that GOD still abhors homosexuality -- GOD even uses the curse of homosexuality against those that blaspheme GOD.

[@IndyB23]

I'm a non-believer - that said, I still think the liberal/progressive Christian stance doesn't make a lot of sense and that the more conservative position is at least more coherent. That said, to put myself in the shoes of a progressive Christian, I guess that they would only take issue with Lev 18 and not the rest because Lev 18 is the only bit that they see as really problematic. If you loved and supported a political party but one day, their manifesto included a policy that wearing glasses would be criminalised and would be punishable by a 50-year prison sentence, you would probably really object to that while still agreeing with their other policies. Moreover, you'd find it weird if other supporters of the party criticised you, saying that if you accept the rest of the manifesto, then you should also treat the glasses policy as perfect as well I know it's an imperfect analogy, but the core thing is that Lev 18 is more or less unique in the things that God condemns because as progressive Christians and others see it, there's actually nothing wrong with being gay and no apparent reason why God would take against it like that, just as there's nothing wrong with wearing glasses and no reason to criminalise and punish it. Like I say, definitely an imperfect analogy 😅 but what do you think? Also, kind of side question: what is it that's actually wrong with being actively gay? Thanks!

[@crystalvulpine2314]

Leviticus doesn't even say it, look at the original Hebrew

[@crystalvulpine2314]

@@TicketToRide-dj4vk Yes, because Paul was completely perfect and never made any errors. Or in this case "Paul" since that section was added by a later editor (I am not just saying this, look up Marcion).

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

@@crystalvulpine2314 True, Paul also promised that believers would be saved in childbirth. I'd like to see the scientists prescribe that one to save the lives of women in childbirth. Generally scientists stop recommending things that fail a lot and aren't known for just excusing all the times it fails and insisting it works.

[@gracefulannie-grcflannie-]

In a discussion on Facebook a few years ago, a woman in the LGBT+ community who told me she was a nun at the time (I don't recall the order, if she said) said that the verses about sexual immorality in Romans are questionable because all Paul's letters were called into question.

[@67L48]

Well, at least she was consistent. She knew that the Bible was very clear about the nature of her lifestyle and the only way to reconcile that was to either change her heart/behavior or rip chunks out of the Bible. She chose the latter. That's at least more intellectually honest than a nonsensical "that passage doesn't really say what you think it does" approach that most want to take.

[@gracefulannie-grcflannie-]

@@67L48 Good point. I also appreciated that she and another LGBT+ woman didn't jump to calling me a homophobe because I believe it to be a sin. We were able to have a civil discussion and basically agree to disagree.

[@TicketToRide-dj4vk]

YOU: the verses about sexual immorality in Romans are questionable because all Paul's letters were called into question *ME: LOL. So according to this demonic nun, PETER was a liar in 2Peter **3:15**-16 when Peter said that Paul's writings were Scripture -- and according to her, the guys in the 4th century that compiled the NT with mostly Paul's writings were also wrong.... they should not have included ANY of Paul's writings -- and according to her, the Original Church in Acts 13:1-3 were idiots because they believed in Paul as an Apostle of GOD to the gentiles......* Sheeeeesh..... Please understand that all demonic cults want to remove Paul's writings because Paul's writings prove that the cult's teachings are false -- this includes Roman Catholicism, Mormonism, SDAs, etc

[@catholicforever]

Roman’s is virtually undisputed as being written by Paul among scholars.

[@stepheneickhoff4953]

"all Paul's letters were called into question." by no one except aggressive unbelievers. Even the average atheist scholar attributes all (except the elusive Hebrews) to Paul and dates them to pre-70 CE.

[@rockymtfilmcrew7908]

Mike is dripped out in this video i like the new hoodie

[@capamerica012]

“Leviticus Doesn’t Count” sounds like a bad thesis for a Dissertation at a liberal Christian university. Sad thing is, it’ll be viewed as “Genius.”

[@ninjason57]

Just because the Old Covenant was fulfilled in Jesus and we are under a new covenant doesn't mean the old one is negated. The new covenant is arguably more strict than the old. The law of love still abhors sexual perversions.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

The New Covenant is definitely more strict than the Sinai Covenant. Christ and Paul taught that a Christian has to live by the spirit of the law instead of simply living by the letter like the ppl under the Sinai Covenant were commanded to. It's so ironic because "Christians" love to think that Christ and Paul wanted to threw all the rules out of the theological window to a gospel that didn't include adhering to law.

[@redeemedforglory]

Another thing that seems logical to me, is that if homosexuality was supposed to be/exist/was good and “normal”, why can’t they produce children? People only live because of heterosexual relationships. That doesn’t mean all of them are good either, but certainly we can notice the intended design by this observation.

[@antiloser-NFS]

Adding on to this, if it was supposed to exist why are there 2 sexes? God could have easily created just 1 with both capabilities (we would then have no concept of gender), but he didn't. He created 2 for a specific reason.

[@sarabee7710]

Are we not talking about the same people who can no longer define what a woman is? Logic doesn't work with them anymore.

[@crystalvulpine2314]

I guess Jesus sinned then, because he never married and never had any biological children, and misled others by saying there's nothing wrong with that. And anyone who's infertile or can't find a partner is doomed.

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

Don't eat cake then. It has never been shown to produce children.

[@redeemedforglory]

@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr never seen a more irrelevant and poorly thought out comment on this topic.

[@lauraalbertson7821]

Yep! It’s all God’s Heart ♥️

[@midlander4]

God's gay hating heart.

[@andrewasbury3259]

Thank you for the content Mike however 4 minutes is not enough as you very well know

[@triciaburcell3241]

The problem I’ve encountered using Romans is some will argue Paul’s writings are not to be considered Scripture, or that Jesus himself never said it, so it’s Paul’s preference not commanded by Christ. (Now, I know that is all ridiculous, it’s just what I’ve come across. So sad; at that point you really are just looking for validation instead of truth.)

[@dabosh78]

Simply point them to 2 Peter 3:15-16 and correct them.

[@67L48]

Indeed. We are quite clever and amazingly good at self justification. Show me the sin and I will point you to a group of people that have an ironclad defense about why it's not a sin. Some are more ridiculous than others, but the justifications will never be lacking. But, yeah, an argument against the scriptural integrity of the epistles is just a dressed up way of saying that the Bible is full of crap. And, if that is correct, then we don't really have a religion. Because, just as Paul's writings are crap, then so are the writings of Luke ... and Mark ... and John ... and what are we left with? Not much. We basically have 1 Cor 15:14 at that point.

[@TicketToRide-dj4vk]

YOU: Paul’s writings are not to be considered Scripture *ME: LOL. So according to them PETER was a liar in 2Peter **3:15**-16 when Peter said that Paul's writings were Scripture* -- and according to them, the guys in the 4th century that compiled the NT with mostly Paul's writings were also wrong.... they should not have included ANY of Paul's writings -- and according to them, the Original Church in Acts 13:1-3 were idiots because they believed in Paul as an Apostle of GOD to the gentiles -- and Luke was a doofus because he believed and wrote that Paul was called by Jesus himself in Acts 9...... Sheeeeesh..... Please understand that all demonic cults want to remove Paul's writings because Paul's writings prove that the cult's teachings are false -- this includes Roman Catholicism, Mormonism, SDAs, etc

[@sarabee7710]

Jesus didn't talk about bestiality either but we still know it's wrong.

[@catholicforever]

I’m not sure how they get around Matthew 10:14-15, and Luke 10:11-12. The evidence is overwhelming that this is a sin, especially when you examine the entirety of the Bible. It’s affirmed as a sin multiple times in both Old Testament, and New Testament.

[@markh.harris9271]

The N.T. affirms the moral intent behind the Levitical law (Lev 18); Rom ch 1; 1 Tim 1:9-10; 1 Cor 6:9-10 The New Testament is also clear that homosexual practice is condemned. The Kingdom of God does not contain such people. marcus

[@christinapearson4287]

Law of Moses the was full filled through Jesus Christ - the part on animal sacrifices however the 10 commandments and the terms of the covenant still applies today . Jesus also said he didn’t come to do away with the law but to fulfill it meaning the animal sacrifices where symbolic of his death on the cross but again the terms and conditions as well as 10 commandments I feel still apply. Would this be a correct understanding?

[@crystalvulpine2314]

No, he was a ransom, not a sacrifice. God sacrificing something to himself doesn't make any sense. But then we would have to admit that Jeremiah 7-8 was right about what we consider the Bible being corruptible, and 99% of Christians won't have that. There is and always was one single commandment. That still applies simply for its own sake.

[@wapper7777]

modern christians just want to pick and choose what old testament laws to follow. I have a lot of respect for you mike and appreciate your ministry. the truth is that we are still under the law of God and not the law of pharisees/men. you, brother mike, are in the other ditch. i pray to all watching this video will climb back onto the narrow path and start obeying God's law

[@Joseph_of_Boxwood]

Paul said homosexuality is wrong, Romans, 1 Corinthians, Paul's epistles are church canon under the New Covenant. Seems clear enough.

[@RationalistMH]

I wonder what the Bible had to say about slavery and why Christians defended it up until 200 years ago with such certainty.

[@ricksonora6656]

Canon is discerned, and it is God’s. No church has a copyright on what comes from God.

[@ricksonora6656]

@@RationalistMHIf you didn’t have the straw man of pretending that nominal and genuine Christians are homogenous, you’d have no argument. Painting the whole with the color of a non-conforming faction is either ignorant or dishonest. Moreover, your rhetorical questions like this one reflect lazy thinking. They hide flawed assumptions and fail to draw out your own logic, which indicates a lack of introspection. And you call yourself “Rationalist.” You should call yourself “Rationalization.”

[@RationalistMH]

@@ricksonora6656 I call myself a 'rationalist' because I do not think that your little 2000 year old book gets to sideline and marginalise people you don't like. Religion is a power play. Straight white men have been weaponising the Bible to enslave, subjugate and marginalise folks of different colours, sexes and sexualities for centuries now. Your jig is up, though. People now reject that as the bigotry that it is. No more.

[@lil-al]

The NT was canonised by way of popular vote (by catholics no less). A lot of stuff was chucked out because certain people just didn't like it. There seems something rather fishy about that, but I can't put my finger on it. Not entirely kosher, or something.

[@branttrainstation]

This was prophesied to come 2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. I feel very sorry for these people who want to rewrite the word of God Yahweh because he said Matthew 5:1819 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches [b]others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. when these people stand before the throne on judgment day will know true fear and knowing that they will be separated forever from the Loving God our creator

[@demirobertson8435]

💞💞💞well said, thanks Mike 💞💞💞

[@user-ud9og6qm9h]

Throw the whole Old Testament out….doesn’t matter. Romans 1:18-32 is abundantly clear. Keep it up Pastor Mike!!

[@metalheadisme8389]

The thing that always gets me is that it’s apparent God knew wicked people would try this and when he breathed scripture he left the right evidence for discernment. When it comes to rules of sexual morality in Leviticus, the rule is always followed by the explanation as to why it's sinful. Homosexuality is said to be an “abomination” or “detestable” depending on your translation, showing what God thinks of it, and why it is a moral law, not just a ceremonial one. Even if the progressives want to try and throw out the rule as only pertaining the covenant of Moses, they still have to contend with the fact that God thinks it an abomination and successfully argue how something God finds detestable cannot be sinful…

[@indigofenrir7236]

God sees everything, after all.

[@RationalistMH]

It's honestly so satisfying to know that 75% of people in this country accept gay marriage and homosexuality and even higher percentages among young people, indicating that your detestable homophobia justified under the guise of religion is really going out of brand. Enjoy the decline of your religion, it will be quite rapid over the next decades.

[@gustavusadolphus4344]

​@@indigofenrir7236yet God didn't see a need to explicitly condemn slavery? ‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly'

[@indigofenrir7236]

@@gustavusadolphus4344 That's the norm culture at the time. Remember that it was written during a different time at a different place for a different people in different circumstances. You are suffering from main protagonist syndrome if you think the Bible has to adjust to your life.

[@sarabee7710]

@@indigofenrir7236 Exactly.

[@libertykim6438]

Love the sinner but hate the sin. God said “be fruitful and multiply.” It’s hard to do that when it takes two of the opposite sex to do that. And people need to understand that there becomes an imbalance with nature. There is consequences to everything.

[@wet-read]

Not everyone wants or should have children. So there's that.

[@JadDragon]

​@@wet-read doesn't make homosexual sex not a sin just because they don't want kids

[@RationalistMH]

So what about infertile people?

[@JadDragon]

@@RationalistMH it's a fallen world with broken people, deformities, disease, etc. doesn't mean the ideal is to be ignored or it gives you permission to break outside a straight union.

[@wet-read]

@@JadDragon Nobody needs permission to commit victimless crimes.

[@HappilyAnonymousGirl]

I just listened to this on audio Bible today at work and I got excited. It’s just good to know what part of the Bible to point to if someone asks where it says it’s a sin to be gay. Also, I was wondering this exact thing with the Old Testament argument, so I’m glad I’m seeing your video about it now lol. Perfect timing. Also, some say it’s not a sin to be gay, and I used to agree. However, I’ve since realized that being gay means that you don’t just love someone of the same sex. That would just be loving thy neighbor. Being gay involves lust. Wanting to be intimate with the same sex and in a romantic relationship. The lust and sexual intimacy are what is sinful about it, and gayness wouldn’t exist if those things weren’t involved. I mean for crying out loud, it’s called homo “sexuality” after all. Not homo lovuality lol That is absolutely not to say that we should use this to argue with gay people and be mean to them. We should still love them. Hate the sin, not the sinner. Thank you, Mike, for covering this topic for us.

[@babs_babs]

being gay does not require lust, you are very creepy, please stop projecting your perversions onto us. you’re fixated on sex when that’s not what being gay is

[@Thundawich]

If we are supposed to still follow the stuff in the OT, does that also include the prescribed punishments?

[@swagmanandy]

There's nothing controversial about it at all, just don't do it!!

[@hungrybruh]

"Wai are yuh ge?"

[@janickgonzalez8900]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@RationalistMH]

why is Christianity rapidly declining all over the Western world?

[@janickgonzalez8900]

@@RationalistMH I wouldn't know why, but I'd love to hear all of their reasons....but what are your assumptions???

[@RationalistMH]

@@janickgonzalez8900 well, one of them is certainly that it allows playground bullies like racists, homophobes and sexists to go around condemning people and feeling morally righteous while doing so. People are sick of your hypocrisy.

[@ricksonora6656]

@@RationalistMHIt depends on how you define it. Most of “Christianity” is a mere imitation. It is nominal or cultural and doesn’t fulfill the mission of genuine Christianity. If you’re referring to the core that remains faithful to the founding claims of Christianity, you’re wrong. The demographics might be shifting, but the core is not declining. But, if genuine Christianity were declining, so what? If the world moves toward totalitarianism, does that invalidate freedom? Ironically, those who founded Christianity predicted a massive falling-away, so “the decline of Christianity” would actually confirm its veracity. Thanks for making our case for us!

[@nokutendadenga7617]

I was thinking about this and realised that what the Lord finds good, he has always and will always find good. Same applies to what he finds evil. What a person can make an arguement for is the change in punishment

[@christiang4497]

Hey Mike, appreciate the video! I was wondering about v. 19, which prohibits having s*x during a woman's period. This seems like an odd inclusion in the passage. Why are the nations judged for this? If this is also something that the surrounding nations were judged for, does that mean it's still wrong today? I was surprised to find that command in there.

[@user-hr8dx9qw4n]

If Leviticus counts literally, then Genesis also counts literally: The bible (same to the Quran) is a man-made book with man-made wisdom (Kain and Abel) and man-made errors (nothing inspired by any god): + the Earth wasn't there before the sun + Adam and Eve didn't exist + there was no global flood + homosexuality is not a seduction by a satan or an abomination, but a natural born healthy sexual orientation with an evolutionary meaning + the sky is no dome /vault over the Earth + the sun can’t be stopped for having longer light in a battle + etc etc. If the bible would be the word of god or inspired by god it would be without errors, but it isn't.

[@weldonpinder7295]

So you're trying to say that the books men write today are holy and pure? Whether you believe the bible or not homosexuality goes against the natural pure functions of the body. Let's put the bible aside for a second because it's foolish to you. You're telling me that it's natural to shove a enlarged penis in a rectum that its function is to let feces out. There's nothing pure or decent about that. When a man and a woman engage in sex there is no adapting. The only way to men can have sex is to find a hole and the only one that is optional is where crap comes out of. When a man and a woman both virgins engage in sex they have pleasure and have the opportunity to produce a beautiful baby. What does two men produce? Hiv and feces packed in further now tell me how is that pure. A mans body is designed for a womans according to their makeup.

[@weldonpinder7295]

The bible is foolish to you because you trust in yourself and government that will fail you. You have much to learn. If you've heard the gospel, and you think it's foolish that the God of heaven and earth would die for you then. What do you trust in

[@user-hr8dx9qw4n]

@@weldonpinder7295 Its not about me, my friend. The bible is full of man-made wisdom of many generations of humans, and full of human errors. Nothing in the bible is from a god. Your god YHWH was invented 5000-3500 years ago. Jesus was a great example of a human, but surley not the son of a god. The dangerous part is, that the errors in the bible are declared as inspired or given by god and by that, reality shall adjust to those errors and not vice versa. Thats harmful as those errors treat topics like evolution, astronomy and homosexuality. You have a great week, my friend :)

[@weldonpinder7295]

@user-hr8dx9qw4n so give a brief overview of what it should be like if by what you're saying God did write it. For example give a good Paragraph on it write it for me

[@weldonpinder7295]

@user-hr8dx9qw4n also is the gospel foolishness to you. Do you believe God exists

[@cmorales5]

That’s why the modern Gospel has a lot of doctrine troubles.

[@janickgonzalez8900]

Like what?.... burden of proof bud....ever heard of it?

[@cmorales5]

@@janickgonzalez8900 my comment is a short reflection, not a argument. My other comments add a bit of context.

[@janickgonzalez8900]

@@cmorales5 what is your position on all this, cause it's not exactly clear, forgive me.

[@lil-al]

The original gospel was sell everything you have. give to the poor, and follow Jesus. You all fail.

[@user-hg7zv9pw9m]

Please explain please explain why the version mark is against homosexuality would you mind quoting it and explaining what it means in your opinion

[@kimbers1238]

I rarely make ur lives on Fridays. I'm with the rewatch crew. So I'm going to put my question here in hopes that u will address it. ?????please help me with how to handle my Christian relatives who believe in every conspiracy theory that comes along. The most recent example is the eclipse. If it was Joe blow I could let it go. But my relatives whom I love? Any advice????

[@bufficliff8978]

There's a difference between beliefs and values. I learned that from John Delony. Your beliefs and your family's beliefs will change over time, but if all y'all's values are the same or close to the same you're probably fine. So if a conversation gets contentious for some reason then try getting back to what y'all value instead of the topical beliefs instead. If you have entirely different values then a regular relationship won't work. Typically people who get deep into conspiracy theories were told they were stupid and mocked and condescended growing up or in a significant relationship. After someone who values intelligence is cut off at the knee and is mocked for being wrong they're then vulnerable to a conspiracy theorist telling them they're one of the super smart ones who can connect the secret dots to reveal the truer truths in the world than the normies who are mean to them aren't clever enough to see. And that emotional vulnerability is why it's hard to change people's hearts on stuff like this. It's not that chemtrails ARE REAL but that you're attacking their new foundation. If chemtrails aren't genuinely happening then the people mocking them were right about their mockery and stupidity, and if that's true than the abusive spouse/bf/parent/sibling/classmate/teacher/whoever was also right, and the person is a despicable idiot with no potential or hope. Safe, vulnerable, intimate relationships are the way someone can step away from that world, and you personally can't pull someone out especially if they don't want to be. If no one's life is at risk this stuff doesn't matter. I don't know what eclipse conspiracy you're talking about, but after the thing they're talking about doesn't happen you can remind them that eclipses happen about once every 18 months, so that next time they can know nothing is going wrong. Approaching it as a relief of anxiety rather than a ha-ha I told you so can help a lot because it moves it from being right or wrong (the sensitive spot) to being a safe experience. Not only was it safe to have been wrong because you chose to not attack them but being wrong actually meant the cataclysm didn't happen, so being wrong was a good thing. Having the attitude of "Great news! Trump didn't collude with Russia and didn't start a war!" Is completely different than "You dumb CNN Sheep REALLY thought he was going to start WW3 and we'd be slaves of Putin, didn't ya!? Dummies, it's been proven false Ha-Ha." MASSIVE difference between the two. One person is a comment section jackass while the other is acknowledging the person's genuine fear while communicating that it's GREAT they weren't right this time and inviting the person to let their guard down over the topic whether or not they accept the invite. Them having been wrong and you having been right should never be part of the conversation. Bring it back to values: it's GREAT that a war wasn't started by Trump, or I'm sad Jesus isn't back yet, too, or it's great that God is giving us more time to repent and serve Him before He returns...THAT is the kind of stuff to focus on--not "Ha-Ha you were wrong again." It's also important for you to remember that people DO conspire and people conspire all the time. People have made "conspiracy theory" and crackpot synonymous to everyone's detriment. Some things your family believes that you think is nonsense is probably pretty true! And some things you believe that they think is just your ignorance of deeper reality is actually you being right. But if you're a condescending or arrogant person then just leave them alone because you're making it worse. If you can't leave them alone then apologize for being condescending and arrogant and ask if there are other things you can explore to connect over. If your whole family has a I-have-to-be-right kind of dynamic then see about fixing that need in yourself because needing to be right is the kind of disposition that's vulnerable to conspiracies, so put on your oxygen mask first. Once you know how to be comfortable being wrong and your identity isn't wrapped up in people being right or wrong and you're comfortable with that then when they speak and you're not on the same page you might be able to listen with curiosity, thank them for taking the time to explain, and then be entirely content to agree on somethings and not be on the same page with conclusions. If no one's life is at risk there isn't a big problem in being wrong. Most conspiracy theories are very fun to learn about, so asking them more questions rather than trying to prove them wrong would be a decent strat.

[@lil-al]

That conspiracy theory that says a man rose from the dead, you can knock that one on the head by saying "got evidence?" and they will just spout "bible" and you can just laugh at them.

[@TheSlowoldman]

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Matthew 5:17-18 Directly from the mouth of our Lord.

[@michaelsbeverly]

So you don't eat pork or shellfish? Mix fabrics? You advocate the death penatly for witches? Disobedient sons? Adultery? Come on, you guys cherry pick so much it's head spinning. Do you obey the Sabbath? Do you eat cheeseburgers or is that one of the ten commandents you think doesn't count no more? lol

[@InitialPC]

ok, do you believe we still have to make sin offerings at the temple in jerusalem to atone for our sins?

[@jackplumbridge2704]

@@InitialPC I don't think you understand what the law is, or what Jesus meant. Temple sacrifices were always meant to be a temporary thing, until Christ's sacrifice, at which time the sacrifices were fulfilled. The law regarding sacrifices didn't pass away, it was fulfilled. But the moral commands are not temporary, they are eternal. As such, they cannot be fulfilled at some time, they are on-going.

[@michaelsbeverly]

@@jackplumbridge2704 So you obey the Sabbath and obstain from pork and shrimp?

[@JadDragon]

​@@michaelsbeverlyit's not cherry picking, it's thousands of years of study and insight

[@rob41137]

🍒🤏

[@garyrucker5754]

Hey Mike. I’m glad to see that you and your followers believe in the OT, so I’d like to ask you a few questions. First one is where in the OT does it say that human sacrifice can be used as atonement for sins? What I read is a strict forbidding of human sacrifice in Leviticus 17.10-11, and animal sacrifice being used for unintentional sins (Leviticus 4.1-2; Numbers 15.34-31). I also read very clear scripture in Psalm 40.6 saying “sacrifice and offerings you did not desire, but my ears you have opened for me”, as well as, ways to repent without sacrifice at all (2Samuel 12.13; 1Samuel 15.22; Hosea 14.2-3; Proverbs 10.2). Second one, how can the righteous die for the wicked, when Ezekiel 18 vehemently opposes this very idea. Ezekiel 18.20: “the righteous cannot die for the wicked”. So how do we get the promised messiah, the most righteous man of all, being sacrificed for the wicked? Final one, if “God is not man that he should lie; nor a mortal that he should change his mind” (Numbers 23.19; 1Samuel 15.29), how do we get such a huge contradiction to everything his prophets have shown in his name? Thanks for your time.

[@garyrucker5754]

@@markreed2563 so, how does that jive with both, blood atonement for sins and the righteous dying for the wicked as described in the OT?

[@garyrucker5754]

@@markreed2563 Hebrews 9.22 says “Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins”, as well as, the popular John 3.16, where he literally sacrifices his son for the sins of the world, aka blood atonement for sins. How do we square that with what the father says in the OT, keeping in mind Numbers 23.19?

[@RoyalG254]

@@garyrucker5754 I can tell you are using a very bad translation of the bible just stick to KJV or rsv

[@garyrucker5754]

@@RoyalG254 I’m citing from the NASB, what most scholars consider an accurate translation. Now, would you like to take a stab at my questions?

[@Caleb-xf5yn]

You have to be able to understand what you're reading , but you don't. And what Moses told the Israelites in the desert applies to you as you wander through the arid desert of your own mind, "To this day, God has not given you an understanding heart; eyes that see and ears that hear."

[@spencer1854]

How are we to decide which old covenant laws are to be dismissed and which are to be followed? Do we all pick and choose? For instance, homosexuality isn't mentioned in the four gospels, bit mentioned by jesus

[@MikeWinger]

1. Does God judge Gentiles for it in the OT? If so, it’s not limited to the Mosaic Law. 2. Does the NT say something is wrong for followers of Jesus? Romans 1, for instance. There are other questions but we are certainly not left picking and choosing. The reason Jesus didn’t mention homosexuality is likely because he focused on Jews and there was no debate in there culture. Jews all believed (because of the same reason I shared in my video) that homosexual acts were sinful.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

You're not supposed to take it upon yourself to make that decision. That's the trick. God spells it out through His apostles in no uncertain terms when the act of performing a certain task is no longer an obligation, like how He does with physical circumcision, animal sacrifices, food and drink offerings, ritual washings, etc. Christ did cover homosexuality when He said that all sexual acts outside of a biblically lawful marriage is adultery.

[@spencer1854]

@@MikeWinger that makes sense

[@spencer1854]

@@MikeWinger Also, I've been going through a bit of a crisis of faith- when it comes to reconciling the idea that God is our objective moral authority with with the many ideas people have about what is meant by scripture. I know it all comes together, like a story, to speak greater truth than facts alone, context and culture are necessary, etc. It's just easy to get discouraged sometimes. You're one of only a handful of people I regularly turn to for teaching- thank you for what you do Pastor Mike. God bless

[@cmorales5]

Modern Gospel is based on lawlessness.

[@The_Natalist]

Modern society is based on lawlessness 😂

[@janickgonzalez8900]

Burden of proof on you bud.

[@cmorales5]

@@janickgonzalez8900 it’s very simple: the enemies of the Almighty took the Truth and planted a religion not based on Scripture. The leaders of those religions abandoned Hebrews interpretation (beware, Hebrew isn’t Jews or Judaism). We really need to get back to Scripture and develop a better relationship with our Creator.

[@janickgonzalez8900]

@@cmorales5 so what is your position on all this matter?? Atheist, agnostic, theist???

[@janickgonzalez8900]

@@cmorales5 I'm not sure what your position is, but I'm probably with you 💯💯💯

[@cmorales5]

Modern Gospel is based on Greek culture and of course Catholicism.

[@nikkowood4476]

I would suggest watching Mike's series on the Hebrew Roots Movement. It really helped me when I was struggling with people "unsettling my soul" (Acts 15:24) I am not looking to argue, I was merely making a suggestion in hopes it might help you. If you really are open to whatever God really wants from you, I really suggest you watch all 4 parts and pray for understanding about it. From there you can make a decision one way or the other. Be a Berean. Listen to the videos on it, and then cross examine it with the word to see if it holds up. When I did, I "rejoiced because of it's encouragement." (Acts 15:31) God bless you, brother or sister. May you continue to have an honest and obedient heart, that truly wants to follow God and His plans for you, whether it be to move or to stay, to laugh or to cry, to sing or to remain silent.

[@janickgonzalez8900]

Burden of proof is you bud.

[@lil-al]

The gospel IS greek culture, dummy. Dying Rising Saviour Gods were all the rage in that, and surrounding cultures. You don;t think christianity is unique, do you?

[@JesusChrist_IsTruth-LoveForALL]

Exactly! All the passages in the bibles are for all of us, regardless of who they were wrote to or for. The Bible is the LIVING WORD of God written for all his children, not "some".

[@GiovanaSimmer]

The NEW TESTAMENT is full of verses that condemn homosexuality and/or make it clear that MAN+WOMAN is the only pairing God/Jesus ever intended as well! Romans 1:26-28 Mark 10:6-9 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 1 Corinthians 7:2 1 Timothy 1:8-11

[@lil-al]

Excellent reasons for chucking out the whole bible, I would say. Because if you keep those verses you have to stop wearing polycotton.

[@raybrensike42]

I think about how many a teacher has led them into the "gospel" of pity and tolerance by the way they went through the book of Job. Will there be some who from hell will say, "Why did you lie to us? Why did you lead us the wrong way?" Will those who say "Leviticus doesn't count." make it? I don't know. At least Job got a visitation from the Lord before he died.

[@terryrocks2j]

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Matthew 5:17

[@Grumszy]

God's laws must be obeyed to the letter, and not altered in any way to suit the minorities.

[@wondrouslyperish4049]

God's word does not change just because some people want it to. Yes there are some things that are specifically for the Isrealites of that period, but God's moral character does not change.

[@a.d.9889]

Even the things that some refer to as specifically for the Israelite's are meant as an example to all.

[@lil-al]

And I suppose that you will pick and choose which are meant for them and which for you?

[@lil-al]

@@a.d.9889 Exactly. Just as when Jesus told the rich man to sell everything he had and give the money to the poor. Yet all I hear are excuses as to why that somehow doesn't apply to all christians. I can't understand it.