Psychologist Testifies in Ethan Crumbley Hearing

[@CourtTV]

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[@Kimi1968ful]

He asked his parents for help and they failed him because they were selfish and done with parenting. Their failure makes them complicit in the crime.

[@2hearts1song4ever8]

Agree

[@hilriekemp]

Hell yeah they're 100% at fault any parent who actually gave a dayum would have never let it even get that far. They didn't check his room where he had an abundance of disturbing things going on. And there's no way a responsible parent wouldn't have had the gun locked up in a gun safe. Without a trigger lock for supervised use only. I love guns but they're not toys I would never get my kid a handgun, a hunting rifle you bet but a handgun. There's no use for a 14/15 year old kid to have a concealable weapon and accessible too smh

[@lf9341]

they were hoping he would kill himself.

[@cmn1035]

Agreed we need to start holding these parents responsible

[@NuraCaicedo-xh2ok]

Are they got them

[@karagriffith7418]

I am struggling with this case. I am horrified by his monstrous actions and yet, I have compassion because he obviously was not nurtured by his parents. He was disturbed and asked for help, and they chose to arm him instead.

[@lyndsey6040]

If parents can go to jail in the USA for providing alcohol to their minor children, then the STANDARD federal law should be that parents who provide weapons to their minor children should be held to the same standard. The American justice system is so backwards.

[@thenightporter]

What an excellent point!

[@thenightporter]

​@@cessna2737that they were not held to the SAME standard as their son.

[@thenightporter]

@@cessna2737 I was only telling you how I interpreted the other person's statement.

[@darcymoon2109]

@@cessna2737People who give teenagers alcohol who then get in an accident weren’t driving the car? Why should they be liable?

[@lyndsey6040]

I’m saying the GENERAL law should be that minors shouldn’t be able to possess a weapon at home or at a shooting range etc. if they can’t buy a gun they shouldn’t be able to possess one. THEREFORE the same standards of alcohol should be in place for WEAPONS.

[@caroljohanson2807]

His parents knew he was mentally unstable and put the gun in his hand Itbink they were hoping he’d take his own life and t he en they could not pretend to care about him They did not care about him or what he did He’s also a victim

[@ScumfuckMcDoucheface]

Good point/insight friend. I can believe none of the school staff has been charged. =\ what an absolute horror show.

[@myunknownland9272]

Yes but he is still held accountable of the crime! The parenta should be held equally accountable!!!

[@chelisue]

@@myunknownland9272 I didn’t hear only one in this thread say he shouldn’t be punished. I don’t know if he should ever get out. But I truly feel for the kid. He literally was always gonna wind up either locked up or dead by his own hand. I 100% believe we need to start licensing people to be parents. Sure. I might not have kids or grandkids. But i also woulda stood a better chance of being functional. (Which I’m not). I think the world would be a way better place if people were truly ok. Most people aren’t. The ones who ‘seem’ ok are good at hiding their mess but when they have kids they WILL pass their mess on.

[@earth0128]

Totally agree, criminal negligence resulting in fatal consequences 😢

[@thatcanadianchick7589]

probably hoping their son would use it on himself and then he's dead and out of their way.

[@tamicyrusOUproud]

I WANT TO KNOW WHY THE PARENTS BOUGHT A 14 YEAR OLD A GUN!!!!! WHY, WHY, WHY!!!! THERE'S NO EXCUSE WHAT SO EVER!!😢😢😢

[@combatepistemologist8382]

Out of spite (toward each other) according to the witness. WTF?

[@myunknownland9272]

​@@combatepistemologist8382so the parents should be charged as the instigators of the deaths. The young man should be charged as an adult and both parents as making this possible by screwing with their son!!!

[@moda78z]

Because it’s America. The land of the free, with the right to bare arms. Because the NRA and the lobbyists said so.

[@tamicyrusOUproud]

@@moda78z NO, I FIRMLY BELIEVE IN THE RIGHT TO BARE ARMS!!! Just because you HATE each other; DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO SCREW UP YOUR SON!!!

[@tamicyrusOUproud]

@@myunknownland9272 the parents are both being charged. I think it is for attempted manslaughter. They SHOULD BE CHARGED THE SAME AS THEIR SON IN MY OPINION!! Sorry for the yelling but this case has me so MAD I COULD SPIT NAILS!!!

[@Ittybitty733]

His parents didnt care abt him they left him at home alone all the time, his mother took him to the shooting range to learn how to use the gun,that is on a video and it was posted on Facebook. Its a shame ppl have kids that dont need them ,some ppl cant have children at all. I believe they should have give him up so he could have gotten help and a new family that would have cared abt him.. I dont know if he should be out of jail if hes in jail yet..i believe he need some mental health care..

[@combatepistemologist8382]

Early in the video the psychologist testified Ethan's father gave him the gun and his mother took him to the shooting range out of spite toward each other. WTF?

[@ona682]

Did you hear what sick things he actually did before he killed 4 children, execution style? 🤦🏼‍♀️🙄

[@fulanichild3138]

Ethan has an older stepbrother. Luckily the mom of the stepbrother realized how messed up the home was and got her son out of that situation and won full custody. He was the lucky one.

[@Hunee-]

@@fulanichild3138So sad.

[@angelal5198]

I see this happening more and more now that abortion is illegal. (I do not agree to using it as a form of birth control)

[@earth0128]

There is a direct link between his parents and the crime's he committed. They failed to act when their son was mentally ill. He may have pulled the trigger but his parents are guilty too. This case highlights the need for intervention where children are presenting anti social ( red flags) behaviours.

[@earth0128]

@@74jsddff249fe it really is 😞

[@laatl67]

​@Dope-Lush you don't put a gun in their hand

[@lf9341]

@@74jsddff249fe He actually showed a lot of empathy when he was young. Worrying about homeless people. He was hearing voices. He is not anti social like many others.

[@EatYourCookies_]

@@74jsddff249fehis mom was far more concerned with her horses than her one kid! I really don’t care if Ethan killed my only child I would totally be blaming that mom and dad! They refused to help him, they bought him a gun at a very young age and then they left it unlocked!! That poor boy was totally failed! He had hope! Those parents could have easily brought him home that day! So much could have been done! He clearly felt like he just had no other choice!

[@barneyronnie]

​@@74jsddff249fe Yes. This is the prevailing opinion that one finds in the standard textbook discussions of personality disorders. Tagging certain behaviors , however, is only a sort of rudimentary taxonomy with limited clinical usefulness. It's refreshing to see that psychedelics are being acquitted of their notorious reputation and once again being explored as useful therapeutic modalities. LSD has proved to open so many doors into understanding existence through revelations regarding the nature of reality. Peace...

[@GoldenBoots77]

How the hell is a 14 yr old provided with a gun ? Is that even allowed ? Crazy .

[@thenightporter]

It is allowed in MERICA.

[@davidbrown5162]

That's America today

[@angelcitystudio]

Mom was more interested in showing everyone on social media how MAGA she was. Buying her kid a gun and indoctrinating him to be a little killer. "Family fun day!"....Right wingers are HORRIBLE parents.

[@MamaRobynR]

unfortunately VERY COMMON in this area. i live near by this family. i grew up in a gun happy family (i never agreed with there ways and lack of safety w/ guns) but it was very common place unfortunately. my dad tried to buy my nephew a gun at like 11. smh thankfully his mom said hell no.

[@chelisue]

Not saying he shouldn’t be locked up but what’s a child supposed to do when his parents use him as an active weapon against each other.

[@2hearts1song4ever8]

Not murder people! A lot of children experience what he did and more. Their solution isn’t all he has done.

[@annarchy665]

We weren't in his house. We haven't walked in his shoes. We don't normally see the defendant in a shooting break down and cry like he did when his principal testified. Strange to think, she was prob one of the only people that cared about him and he knew it the moment he saw her. This kid is different. I hope he can get help.

[@elizalam5253]

@@annarchy665 Please STOP making excuses for this murdering TURD!!!!

[@2hearts1song4ever8]

@@annarchy665 I don’t exactly agree with you, but you make a good point for what you observed and concluded.

[@deniseploumis4866]

Hmm idk not bring a gun to school and kill people.. many go through worse then he has described and they don’t murder

[@crystalakabeavergamingsubs9549]

The parents are responsible also.

[@turnthepage867]

I was a sub-teacher: a shy white student turned in a violent essay. I called the office. She said "oh we know about him". I felt tears welling up, so I took the violent essay and the others, directly to the counselor. When I clocked out for the day, They were all thanking me

[@NuraCaicedo-xh2ok]

I wrote a letter to the government about mental health, this young man, if he had gotten the help that he needed. he wouldn't be in the situation that he's in right now. I bame his parents 100% those evil parent's..

[@lf9341]

Me too!

[@NuraCaicedo-xh2ok]

@@lf9341 when I heard him crying and stuff he had psychosis nobody is helping people and they're leaving us alone to deal with this we need help

[@johndonahue4777]

My mother threatened suicide and annihilation by turns constantly when we were children. All four of us got grooved (like the peanut butter jar) wrong according to our personalities. Dad was a violent narcissist and an anorexic. You don't want to hear the details long and sad and awful. Thank Bog nobody shot anyone at least.

[@userbbbqyv]

He killed 4 kids and we are discussing if he should get parole? Smh. My god this country is pathetic.

[@jettyoeill]

What’s pathetic about your country is that anyone can get a gun. That a 14 yr old’s parents will buy him a gun, take to a gun range, no mental evaluation and that’s not a problem for many Americans. Not to mention the #1 cause of death for American children is guns. The USA should be ashamed for what they do to their children.

[@Theresa89]

The uk is worse !

[@myunknownland9272]

No the land is screwed because the parents used their child to deal with their situation. Only he still loved both parents so he too it out on fellow students! Sorry for the boys families but parents should be held accountable too!!!😢

[@2hearts1song4ever8]

Right! He doesn’t need parole.

[@jackdough8164]

Yea like if he had shot his parents for treating him horribly or something like that I could have more empathy but those other kids didn’t deserve what he did.

[@andreah4172]

His parents are appalling people. I feel dreadfully sorry for Ethan in a way, they really let him down BUT killing innocent people is not the answer. He cannot be rehabilitated in my opinion and needs life in prison

[@kims364]

He can ABSOLUTELY be rehabilitated. He does NOT deserve to spend the rest of his life in prison. With help, he can 100% be turned around. Keep in mind his age, his brain isn't even fully developed. This case isn't completely black and white, there is a lot here, he was neglected by both his parents. This is sad all around.

[@andreah4172]

@@kims364well, that’s why I said ‘in my opinion’ we are all entitled to one, that’s mine

[@tamicyrusOUproud]

That's your opinion. Here is mine, he ABSOLUTELY CAN BE REHABITATED!!! Get him away from those DEPLORABLE PARENTS ( IF YOU CAN EVEN CALL THEM THAT ) and get him SOME VERY GOOD THERAPY AND MEDICATION FOR HIS PROBLEM; He will eventually turn out OK!! LIFE IN PRISON FOR HIM IS A DEATH PENALTY WITHIN ( I'LL GIVE IT 2 YEARS ). They will END UP KILLING for what he did!!! That's what HAPPENS TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE KILLED CHILDREN!!!!

[@andreah4172]

@@tamicyrusOUproud and I respect your opinion 😃

[@darcymoon2109]

Do we all agree his parents are appalling?

[@johngunning8647]

I think the cases where a juvenile deserves life without parole are few and far between. But I do think this is one of them.

[@monadahlstrm5843]

This case i just sad. Parents should be asamed of themself. Let a 14 year old get his hands on that gun.

[@notbornagainbornright5046]

This gentleman makes so much sense. This child slipped through the cracks

[@brbrknndy]

So if he gets life with a chance at parole after 25 years how is the judge going to stack the sentences? If they are consecutive then it will be 100 years before he is released for parole. If they are concurrent then it doesn't address the individual murder of each child done in an execution style. He additionally shot 7 other people. For those of the commenters below that stated that his parents neglected him: there was really no evidence of that. It was the psychologist stating it upon Ethan self reporting it. I think one neighbor stated it That's all. He had a multitude of relatives and the assistant school principal who knew him by name at the time. If the neighbor thought there was a problem then why didn't she report it to child welfare? He should have a chance at minimum security prison but not parole ever.

[@rizzomatt]

Good point. I wonder if the/a statute covers this scenario.

[@2hearts1song4ever8]

I agree. I think consecutive life sentences for 4 students. Then add 7 consecutive sentences for the other 7 victims. He won’t have time for parole.

[@privateparty125]

These parents need to be put in prison when their kids do these things. Sorry, but it's the parents fault these children are now gone.

[@Ronin4614]

Those two “parents” have a lot to answer for.

[@patriciasimpson7020]

Understatement of the Year! 🏆

[@cecilelee2442]

Are his parents still represented by a single lawyer? I recall her arguing in court there was no conflict in her representing both of them. Now we hear that they were constantly fighting and putting their son in the middle.

[@moda78z]

They each have a lawyer, but the problem was that they are from the same law firm, so there could be a conflict of interest. But they were allowed to continue representing them.

[@cecilelee2442]

@@moda78z Thanks! Let's see how this shakes out.

[@tamicyrusOUproud]

Those people ( they don't deserve to be called parents ) deserve the HARSHEST PENALTY THE LAW CAN APPLY!!!!

[@laatl67]

How about his parents didn't provide him the care he needed... Schools/teachers are not there to raise your children!!

[@jessicaXOXO85]

The parents are 90% to blame here. They should be charged aswell. Who buys a kid a gun and takes him to a shooting range. They never spent the time learning about him and how they could of helped him

[@patriciasimpson7020]

I do agree, but unfortunately more than plenty of parents buy their kids guns, as you very well know.

[@Sandra-vr3cd]

Life with NO parole.

[@4thegood927]

Yes! Thank you! Too much sympathy for this slob.

[@OceanMetTheSky]

Too much empathy for people like this now. His parents are responsible for their choices and for buying him a gun. This kid burned birds alive and cut open one and shoved the cut off head of its sibling into its stomach. No rehab is making someone like this sane. When it reaches the point of animal torture and murdering people, no, no therapy or meds are containing them. He deserves to rot in a cell until he dies. People are always playing the sympathy card with people like this. I want to vomit thinking of all the fangirl groupies bryan kohberger has.

[@patriciasimpson7020]

Don't forget Ted Bundy!

[@le_th_]

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[@gerriwetherhold6369]

I was not impressed one bit with this "so called" psychologist! He did not make a good impression with his choice of wording or his demeanor. Not up to par.

[@reneegardner2286]

agreed!!!

[@thenightporter]

He seemed to need a little psychological help himself, IYAM.

[@jamaicansinger-queenla7656]

Wow you must be yt. Did you not hear what he said? That the non-yt students in the school were disproportionately targeted, as in targeted more, even though they only make up 20 percent of the school population and this yt student flew under the radar. If they were targeting him as much as they did the students of color, the mass shooting would’ve never happened.

[@yuckyknuckles]

This boy is evil and hiding behind “mental illness” to dodge life in prison without parole. Let him rot ⛓️

[@coldisle]

His parents are 1000000%responsible for this kid becoming a monster. Unfortunately, he has to pay. But if the parents don’t also pay dearly, then there is no Justice. THEY caused this to happen.

[@earth0128]

They facilitated/ armed him. They are guilty too

[@patriciasimpson7020]

I agree 💯And I appreciated the fact that you've acknowledged that despite Ethan's problems with his mental health and all the struggles he had with his parents, unfortunately he will still have to face the punishment for the crimes he has committed no matter the circumstances. There's been far too many people expressing support for him whilst completely ignoring the fact that regardless of the issues he faced at home he is still going to have to be confined in prison, even if doing so breaches the essence of the law itself as he'll have to go to an adult prison.

[@Madcaps215]

Man o man! Ethan’s parents did a number on him. I know what he did was absolutely horrible. But, his parents f’d him up, gross negligence. I hope his parents are found guilty of their charges, and get the maximum sentence. What they did to Ethan is so wrong, and inexcusable. I pray there is a chance to “fix” Ethan. I’m not excusing what he did. He must pay for that. The carnage he caused is far and wide. Innocent children lost their lives in the most violent way. Trauma he caused for those that survived will be everlasting. I pray for everyone that lost their children, and those that will have to remember the horror of that day. Tragic.

[@MrJsv650]

Buying a firearm for someone else is illegal. It's called a straw purchase.

[@evilqueenyiayia]

IMO Ethan was failed. I think his parents are more culpable, and should be held accountable. 😢

[@bettyir4302]

But did suspensions help correct students' behaviors or not? To many getting suspended is nothing but a vacation.

[@backdoorsluts_9]

They failed this kid. His crimes are inexcusable but his parents really are the fucken worst

[@Lizabeth2222]

Thanks for recap

[@macrograms]

4:30 "implicit bias" analogies. :) good ones, peanut utter, elevator.

[@TheWinksAdventures]

Oxford only had 19new students the following year from the school shooting. Their enrollment is declining more and more. More people need to homeschool. I homeschool my kids. They’re safe because they’re always with me.

[@Magsss3]

The stats the therapist read at the end, wow

[@MauiMauiMe]

That psychologist just gave a master class on how the system is failing our children.

[@EverAppl14]

His mom is getting a lot of heat for being inattentive or distracted, but meanwhile it sounds like his dad literally did everything in his power to enable this exact, inevitable scenario. It's so typical to blame mothers entirely for the sins of the entire family.

[@Theresa89]

Ethan never liked himself enough to value anyone’s life . He looks like a goblin, he’s socially awkward and he never got the help he needed . Now the whole world is watching him .

[@johngarry1238]

He values his own life. He just doesn't value anyone else's life He said this in his journal and messages to his friend. He planned in advance to be taken alive so he could enjoy the fame and enjoy watching the suffering of the victims' families He also enjoyed torturing baby birds and bragged about it. He is a pure evil, true psycholopath who tortures and kills for pleasure. If he is ever released he will become a serial killer.

[@fulanichild3138]

Keep in mind, Ethan was hearing voices. That's more than social awkwardness or selfishness. It's serious mental illness.

[@Theresa89]

@@fulanichild3138 , where did I say he was selfish? This kid clearly needed help but they needed to treat the root first before the branch . Ethan’s parents was his biggest problem .

[@fulanichild3138]

@@Theresa89 johngarry's comment suggested Ethan was selfish.

[@Theresa89]

@@fulanichild3138 , why are you defending what people in the comments are calling him . Ethan didn’t make it a secret what he wanted to do and did to others . He wasn’t only a selfish POS he was also a coward who didn’t want to be taken out the same way he he took out other, including baby birds . GTHOH defending him !

[@patshankle3281]

💔 So very sad his parents didnt help him. He gets arrested and his parents go on the run. Very disfunctioning family.....

[@heather11]

Honestly this less about the school system and more the parents. We can't expect the school system and society to raise our kids. Most of what this psychiatrist is saying is not something we should focus on

[@IdeologieUK]

You gets what you pay for.

[@shadow_hillsgrandma8224]

Here in CA children with IEP,s are required to see a psychologist

[@drhyshek]

He bought a GUN out of spite. Looks like the plan backfired.

[@JoeRussellProductions]

All 3, him and his parents should get the same jail time IMO.

[@rosemariedelena5179]

What kind of parents he has….this young man has a terrible life, his parents tolerated him to have guns at a young age…

[@onecompass7290]

I feel really really sad for this abused, neglected child 😭😭😭 The parents/abuser should be locked up for more years than he gets. Hideous abusive environment that drove his crazy. Condolences to all the families that experienced tragic loss.

[@patriciasimpson7020]

What unsettles me the most about all this is how unhealthy this all was. How the hell can someone think that enrolling their own son at a shooting range and encouraging them to learn how to shoot a gun was ever gonna help them practically, especially if that someone is their own mother. That really gets to me a lot as a mother is generally supposed to know what's best for their children and participating in this kind of activity was never going to be beneficial for Ethan given his age. She should have supported him to go to the gym or to get contact lenses/laser eye surgery, as these things would have changed his image and helped improve his mental state. Overall the shooting happened because of how Ethan had viewed himself.

[@maureenruggeberg7991]

I think his mom has an undiagnosed cluster b disorder and his dad is deeply depressed and it made for such a toxic environment for this kid that he became suicial and then homicidal wanting to inflict the suffering he was feeling on others. Very tragic.

[@Balletcalvero]

I wonder if his parents gave him a gun in the hopes (even if this hope was buried DEEP down inside) that he'd eventually kill himsellf. They very clearly did not want to raise a child

[@user-xe5io6lm9b]

Why buy a gun very wrong

[@jswan312]

Why do they need “social workers” in schools. Isn’t that what parents are for?

[@Littleangel_-jp4xb]

Not all kids come from a loving home, sadly.

[@memorandom7484]

Parents like THIS are why.

[@Freemelon07]

I'm sure some kids would feel safer and cared for at school.

[@reneegardner2286]

are you serious?!

[@reneegardner2286]

​@@Littleangel_-jp4xbshould be common sense literally 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@Ad-Lo]

The school is culpable as well.

[@marilynevans8436]

Talk about 'falling through the cracks '. Sad all the way aroynd

[@janetjohnson7279]

💙💙💙

[@marilynevans8436]

Where Ethans parents ever charged?

[@4thegood927]

Yes

[@torontoash45]

The Court should not only focus on Ethan ,but also on his dead beat Dad and Mother

[@4thegood927]

They are. His parents have been in jail and will be tried as well.

[@dawnsmith1752]

I'm not happy with this testimony.....look she bought the gun for him but it wasn't for him to actually kill people. It was to help him grow up and learn man like activities so that he could over come the way that bulling would make him feel .....and so that he knew he parents were on his side....knew and felt his pain.

[@patriciasimpson7020]

Exactly!👍More than plenty of parents in America do exactly the same thing either for others reasons or for the reason you just said. This means the real issues here is introducing your children to guns at a young age, and the freedom of access to guns in America period. I've read crazy f**kin' comments in this section saying that the real cause of the shooting wasn't the parents introducing Ethan to guns at a young age or the accessibility to guns in America, but the type of gun that was introduced to Ethan😦Someone said they believe it was really bad idea to buy Ethan a handgun but it would have been completely fine if the parents bought him a hunting rifle or a shotgun instead as there's been a lower proportion of school shootings where a hunting rifles or a shotguns has been used compared to handguns😮I mean you've got to be f**kin' kidding me that bulls**t right? The movie I was watching earlier today the prepartrator used a shotgun and a revolver and it was a school shooting movie, Target of Rage it was called. That was quite good as they really humanized the shooter in the movie with all his struggles that led him to do what he did and none of it resembled Ethan in any way, including the weapons he used. Even though I do agree with the possible reason the parents got him a gun and introduced him to guns I believe my take on this would have been best and the parents should have invested in something more productive for Ethan like contact lenses or a gym membership, which would have improved Ethan's mindset, where a membership at a gun range just wouldn't have done that. Hell they could have gotten him a guitar🎸if they had the money to blow on a gun!

[@Mingtree10]

Why isn’t the NAME of the psychologist either announced by the CourtTV host or scrolled across televised video?

[@fionnmaccumhaill3257]

The parents weren't wrong for getting him a gun or taking him to a shooting range, they were wrong for getting him a gun and giving him access to it without knowing their son's mental and emotional health or concerning themselves with the safety of others in regards to that.

[@user-bn3vj9yk6k]

Why not both, if he’s statistically less likely to kill someone without a gun, or kill as many.

[@patriciasimpson7020]

Oh that's not the only thing! Apparently people think it was the type of gun the parents got that was the real problem. There's some who believe that if Ethan's parents had bought him a hunting rifle or a shotgun then the shooting would never have happened😱

[@tinab3627]

BS excuses

[@ginnysimpson5232]

Gobbleygook Everyone is to blame except Ethan.

[@ona682]

I watched the whole thing. This so called doctor is a joke. Who brings an egg to court, cracks it in a bowl and calls it a brain? 🤷🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

[@mayonesa6610]

I know the doctor dint ask important questions lol, and he said the teachers don’t care about his drawings because he was white. 🙃

[@tramer76]

Growing up in the 80s, we had a commercial that showed an egg cracking into a frying pan with the words, 'This is your brain on drugs, any questions.'

[@johngarry1238]

Based upon his testimony, it appears he might have an egg for a brain.

[@jeltyry]

He's really quite bad. I don't know how he got a degree. Must've been by the skin of his teeth.

[@marionm5311]

Imprison the Parents, Reform Ethan, Please.😢