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[@leomardoctolero]

Great video, Olly! Your army of fanatical supporters is here for you no matter what. 💖

[@hermanerm1207]

We do indeed have no choice but to stan.

[@mathieuleader8601]

BIG GAY ENERGY

[@vannah3729]

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[@timecapsule7842]

Star Gender?

[@cringusbingus6147]

Every leftist video essay must have 7 costume changes and 4 musical sequences.

[@arandomcomment1092]

This comment is the closest written thing that I’ve seen to My Immortal. Like you and that are equally so bad, it’s good

[@umangmalik]

@@arandomcomment1092 don't you dare slight My Immortal like that

[@storeboughtramonaflowers]

@BLUE DOG I feel like this is a piece of art to regard with both horror and derision, the sort of thing I think of as an antiquated offering whose main purpose is to induce a cringe fantasy of an attempt at social commentary. Well done Fuck stick on KZbin

[@keslauche1779]

@@storeboughtramonaflowers what are you talking about you dont need all that complex language to say that leftist are clowns we understand

[@storeboughtramonaflowers]

@@keslauche1779 oof. Lmao

[@samjohnson8353]

I hope everyone realizes that if you’re debating your sexuality in an up-tempo musical number the straight side already lost.

[@thesoloistic5596]

I actually audibly laughed, nice 🧚🏼‍♀️

[@kallafragga3726]

top tier comment

[@nsytr06]

🤣

Yup.

[@marshm3llow467]

Thats damn hilarious you're so right

[@bangersareforever480]

this feels like when you’re reading a manga and there’s a big reveal that was hinted 200 chapters ago, this is the 200 chapters ago

[@dancingdoughnut3275]

Yes. Exactly

[@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim]

YES

[@bluehairedemon]

Did abigail say when she knew she was trans?

[@timekeeper9417]

@@bluehairedemon im pretty sure she said that she was on horomones for a while before she came out so i wouldnt be suprised if she knew here. Not sure though, just heard that from someone else.

[@campbellrowland571]

@@timekeeper9417 on her coming out video she said herself that she was out to friends and family for at least a year before the video was made

[@dolores111]

"if you take a set of identical twins and put one of them on a spaceship traveling at the speed of light, one of them might get older but neither of them end up trans!" - Said Abigail, the Cosmonaut who came back trans.

[@hueynomure3272]

YES I was just looking for this comment. Such a serendipitous "joke" lol

[@wokery]

Omg.. 😭

[@AlexDracoulis]

Best comment :)

[@mpmartincity3]

I don't think she was traveling at the speed of light, nor if the speed of her traveling would affect the final results

[@SaysThisCat]

The phrase “I always assumed I was straight,” always gets me rubbing my hands like a greedy little raccoon in anticipation.

[@sasharemington6025]

Yesssssss...another one joins our ranksssssssss...

[@keslauche1779]

I bet Oll questions hs sexuality at night

[@potatofuryy]

*googles how to be straight*

[@jamessamuel1255]

Hahahahahahaha

[@autodidacticartisan]

Best comment

[@paradactyl3729]

"Being cool and marketable is not the same as having rights." *laugh/cries in forties jazz*

[@Robstafarian]

Forties? That is a bit late.

[@reumarks]

@@Robstafarian That's why it didn't get rights :)

[@paradactyl3729]

@@Robstafarian On second thought, I should have said *laugh/cries in black culture*

[@thecleitom9497]

Shit, this marketisation of opressed groups really goes way back

[@femmefuntime]

Laugh/cries in rainbow capitalism

[@OllieVSRamos]

"I'm one of the lads" Oh love

[@Annemoontje]

"love comes in disguises"

[@TheHiroBlade]

That look she gave during the first song...with the wink? It was like a message for the future.

[@makipri]

@@TheHiroBlade Like a time bomb set for one year.

[@theocean1973]

I’ve gan toon t cheeky nandos lads!

[@PutoMedicoBrujo]

TRANScendentally BISEXUAL™ ... was that, foresahdowing....?????

[@mixstardust429]

Abigail was playing 5d chess while we thought she was just playing 4d chess when steady as she goes starts playing

[@liranpiade4499]

Well to be fair she also thought she was playing 4d chess (even though she was!)

[@DeathnoteBB]

@@liranpiade4499 She was aware she was trans

[@avivyork3656]

"Being cool and marketable isn't the same thing as having rights" SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

[@xBINARYGODx]

I don't see any evidence that people think that, but instead think visibility is an important part of gaining (and keeping!!!) rights, and to some degree, basic respect.

[@drasco61084]

@@xBINARYGODx people do think that. "Gays are on TV, we had a Black president, what more do you snowflakes want??! "

[@lukericker8325]

d610 They do have rights. The same as everyone.

[@lukostello]

I think there is a case to make that being marketable is a foundation for distributing rights in a capitalist society.

[@harrylane4]

@@xBINARYGODx the evidence that people think that is LITERALLY WHAT EVERY CORPORATION DOES ON PRIDE

[@lenaboyer6981]

I am FURIOUS that is is the first time I’ve ever heard of the *Lesbian* goddamn *Avengers*

[@kaycashew]

Lena Boyer that’s a movie I would be willing to see !

[@Kennitto]

i thought he was talking about valkyrie and the new thor until he became more specific

[@waterskym]

Well you must be young then, like Ollie thinks his audience is :-) The Lesbian Avengers were very, and specifically, trans-inclusive, so are important historically, as well as just cool these days. You had to be lesbian though, to hang out socially with them.

[@princesssookeh]

Same. I had to hear jokes about bra-burning for years when bitches were out here EATING ACTUAL FIRE???? It fills me with Bi Rage. I've no choice but to stan.

[@morphineblushes1998]

bi-furious

[@PokeStatsStudios]

Guys i think philosophy tube might be trans

[@joebob3719]

The "steady as she goes" part totally has a different vibe now

[@lemmonboy6459]

Now hold on, we can’t be TOO sure...

[@ashleymusicx]

@@lemmonboy6459 I legit can't tell if your joking or not

[@lemmonboy6459]

@@ashleymusicx I am joking :) (Like I support Abby, I was just being jokingly ignorant)

[@ashleymusicx]

@@lemmonboy6459 ok cool

[@elizabethflowers749]

this feels like rewatching an older episode of a show after a plot twist and you can clearly see hints about what's going to happen that just went way over your head.

[@saurora5615]

ayyy a fellow pan!! pan prideee have a great day

[@Solarn40]

That's... pretty much what it is, isn't it?

[@DeathnoteBB]

It’s funny because before the reveal, the thumbnails (I admit I didn’t have the attention span to watch the videos) felt more… genderqueer maybe? I didn’t want to assume anything because after all, gnc cis men exist. But it’s kind of validating to know what I picked up on WAS there, and not just wishful thinking as a fellow trans person

[@bluekittyyoyo6592]

olly it literally doesn't matter what you wear your vibes are always immensely bisexual

[@athomassen3980]

Exactly what i was thinking when he modelled the outfits, he just... Looks bi.

[@caosXIII]

Yeah I mean is like a little bit ovvius

[@marieg9267]

midnightMurderer meanwhile i was genuinely surprised when he came out*^^ I always got “confident straight” vibes from him lol

[@onivlasbrony7432]

In this language game, I read "Bisexual" as "awsome".

[@holo0667]

Dude been tingling my gaydar for a while now

[@Draukagrissah]

"I'm one of the lads" *GIRL*

[@anone.mousse674]

Oh, honey.

[@chloe-fy4wc]

But she probably already knew she was trans shooting this...

[@user-ms8km7lh1l]

watching this now it feels like the joking "ah yes, Me, a Man, A Lad, the thing that I definitely am, do not ask any more questions"

[@bobbiemarkwick4417]

@@chloe-fy4wc she did say someone told her “be careful what you come out as”.. honestly this video is probably loaded with hints.

[@chloe-fy4wc]

@@bobbiemarkwick4417 Yeah, like the thumbnail. Also, a found that if you change “bisexual” to “trans” in some places it makes even more sense. And “The devil you know” feels absolutely different now

[@timmcdraw7568]

I was a Lesbian Avenger in 1994!! (My name is celeste, not Tim.) I was 14, and I saw a flyer for them on a telephone poll in New Paltz, New York that read "Lesbian Avengers, We Recruit!" with a picture of a secretarial woman holding a bomb. That flyer was almost glowing, pulling me towards it by my pupils, with entire choirs of holy angels singing from heaven! There was a telephone number printed a bunch of times on little slivers on the bottom and I took one. I can;'t believe I actually called it, but I did, and suddenly, I was IN! I was the most intimidated I have ever been, sooo starstruck by those people for every single second I spent in their company haha. They were so enigmatic and excited and hilarious - I think it was the first time I really saw rage and joy expressed simultaneously by a single person as power. I understood so very little of what anyone was talking about at the time that I couldn't tell you now at all, and I was excruciatingly shy, but they we're endlessly kind to me. My dad drove me to and fro the meetings haha. Even though my experience of and thinking around gender and sexuality has evolved seemingly endlessly since then, I think the Lesbian Avengers is partially why there'll always be a little militant lesbian inside me who will never die (not do I want er to, she's scrappy and punk rock) Anyway, its so wonderful to see the Lesbian Avengers being talked about so many years later, I feel like I never hear them mentioned, and you reminded me that we must not lose them! We have to keep the radical lesbians, the Lesbian Avengers and Fierce Pussy, etc, alive in our collective queer memories! Complicated aspects of them and all.

[@user-jz7vp7kg1u]

wow, so cool to hear about this from someone who actually was there

[@fjr4205]

Your dad drove you omg 😭 I loved reading this. Tysm for sharing!

[@DystopianOverture]

Nice listening to someone's first hand accounts. Thank you for sharing!

[@lexismore]

That's awesome. I'm partway through here so I don't know if Abby talks directly here about how queer people often do become "elders" at a young age (though it seems very on topic - with talk of queer temporalities, how trans elders can even be biologically younger, and how queer people don't follow the same life trajectories as our cishet counterparts). In any case, we need stories like yours. Even if you think you're just on the fringes. Being a part of all that and remembering the energy of it all MATTERS.

[@ThomasDaly1488]

Your name is Tim

[@TheOtherOne7isBlueMaid]

The way she skillfully avoids talking about questioning gender

[@nothanks4323]

"the fish just looked unusual to him, not that it had a septum piercing and an undercut" S I R

[@jeannareadsbooks8475]

I DIED AT THAT LINE

[@leirezalakain2836]

I have a septum piercing and an undercut and I feel incredibly called out

[@user-ve5bm6hd3r]

"transcendentally bisexual"

[@bettyand42]

a timeless stereotype, I'm watching this years later with a new septum piercing and both sides buzzed

[@k_a_y_l_e_e]

"being 'cool' and 'marketable' isn't the same thing as 'having rights.'" damn. that's a real truth.

[@xyaeiounn]

The 90s commodified a lot of 'lifestyles (remember heroin chic about the same time as lesbian chic?) in an effort by corporations to make people think of themselves as customers and customers as tyrants. The trick is that consumers have choice, but no rights, once you've reduced (there i said it) everyone to a customer you can control their choices, even narrow them down to none at all, by which time they might hopefully have forgotten about the idea of rights. We, all of us, really owe all these noisy weirdos agitating for rights.

[@Heleyrine]

We once again gather under the same video 'stars', to celebrate a second coming out. Cheers to Abigail Thorne✨

[@nemoy7267]

That's a beautiful metaphor!

[@kensyre]

I love this community.

[@potmki6601]

no offence, but i believe you misspelled her last name

[@stevenf6940]

"Be careful what you come out AS" Didn't really get this line until now. I'm glad you're happy, Abigail.

[@t.r.babbitt8164]

I appreciated the nonchalant way you delivered “being cool and marketable isn’t the same thing as having rights.” This is not understood by straight people who tend to view rights as implicit to exchange value.

[@emersonjakes8119]

as an out enby that gets shown pictures of Sam Smith and articles Marriam-Webster's word of the year and gets told to stop complaining that trans rights are ignored, I agree a lot. Just because we're being talked about and sold doesn't mean the work is over. It's barely started.

[@curry6330]

It literally just means a lot of straight people think we should stop complaining about not being talked about enough, just because the media portrays us as cool and trendy and that's wrong

[@curry6330]

@@Young.Supernovas pretty sure this person meant it as a lot of Straight people think that non cishets can just have their rights be given away in exchange for being portrayed as cool and trendy, as if being portrayed like that can make up for a lack of rights

[@t.r.babbitt8164]

@@Young.Supernovas I had replied to you last week, but I do not see my reply here. I hope I can get out what I had written. My comment about "rights being implicit to exchange value" was to suggest that people who do not identify as queer, the non-queer, or cisgender have an almost automatic or even subconscious, one could say intrapersonal rhetorical, recognition that marketability and rights go hand in hand. One may sell their labor on a flat market when one has the rights to do so. If transgender or queer identities are present within the market, and the market is flat, evenly-distributed, then transgender and queer identities must have the same rights as cisgender or non-queer. The argument would be extrapolated to include all rights enjoyed by cisgender or non-queer. This is a neoliberal perspective. The idea beginning that if rights are extended, then that extension will offer more labor. However, I think Olly was pointing to the expropriation of fetishes within the economy. There is much more to this, but I hope I got my point across.

[@TheDionysianFields]

What about someone's right to not bake a cake?

[@melissamartin3881]

Describing your internal battle over your sexuality as a musical number in which you play all the parts is the most chaotic-bisexual thing I've ever seen.

[@swanstarr1441]

Straight people don't do that??? You never cease to amaze me

[@dragos4439]

I love that a significant part of the "coming out" video egg Abi made is her talking abt how much she admires lesbians lmao

[@jimmykit-kat3424]

For a solid minute I kept thinking, "Who is this man? I didn't know that Abigail shared this KZbin channel with someone else." And then I realized that the person on screen is not a man, but IS Abigail. Now I feel like I'm watching something I shouldn't be lmao Edit: Jesus Abigail you had the biggest glow-up known to humanity

[@rescuerofdreams]

I’m feeling just like you two years ago. OMG.

[@lydiasteinebendiksen4269]

The galaxy brain required to be a woman playing a man playing a woman, is like Abigail-level acting. Only on philosophy tube.

[@manycinnamon4544]

I know right, this is beyond amazing

[@bobbiemarkwick4417]

I think only the best actors can pull that off.. reminds me of David Tennant playing English-accent Doctor pretending to use a Scottish accent

[@metalicrobot66]

I don’t think she was out to herself as trans when she made this video. Abbi wrote the script less than a year ago so...

[@m.mcg.1837]

@@bobbiemarkwick4417 Or Jason Isaacs from the OA playing an American scientist who traveled dimensions, and the scientist is unsucessfully pretending to have an English accent like Jason Isaacs, but from another dimension.

[@distortingjack]

@@metalicrobot66 Just because she was writing the script (which is a big thing to do) doesn't mean she didn't know. And there are several hints in the video. "I'm starting a brand new bit of my life, and it's pretty scary"...

[@Starsim99]

"None of these outfits are transcendentally bisexual" Just roll up the pants

[@PlatyNews]

To be transcendentally I think the sleeve is also necesary

[@cosmoringrose6578]

Tuck in the shirt for bonus points

[@Zephyr_Zeitgeist]

@@cosmoringrose6578 French tuck?

[@Milhomens23]

This person knows the truth, is the universal sign

[@CoryMck]

@@Zephyr_Zeitgeist full tuck

[@NinjaThatLongboards]

"*transcendentally* bisexual" has a new meaning now

[@snem9381]

Was looking for the comment

[@ilicythings]

fjsjfjskcjdkd

[@PutoMedicoBrujo]

no no no you misspelled it, it's TRANScendentally BISEXUAL™ or in lay terms _Foreshadowing_

[@femmefuntime]

It’s written in trans colors too

[@caterpillur5029]

That's woman saying "shameless lesbian propagandaaaa, right here, get your lessi propagandaaa" is my spirit animal

[@miabobeea2644]

I love how literally all his outfits, even the “straight” ones, give off Massive bi vibes

[@alacnaythegreat1054]

Because it's all about how you wear it, and I don't think Olly knows any other way

[@madmanvarietyshow9605]

And it's hot af

[@estromberg5153]

Damn I guess we need a Wittgensteinian theory of bisexual clothing

[@thatringinginyourears3955]

Could you call them... bibes?

[@Wesker10000]

Really? How?

[@danielhowell]

**amorphous blobs rise up** if more ‘straight passing’ people in our often hateful society had the courage and honesty to not only reconsider their internal perspectives on sexuality/gender but then announce it proudly to the world it would quickly be a much better place for all of us thank you 🖤

[@danielhowell]

28:04 finally a word to describe my sexuality that isn’t rigid or restrictive disaster

[@laurenwilliams3329]

@@danielhowell thank u for being an amazing disaster, we support

[@trini.v99]

Both our kings have risen and united. I am content.

[@TheMadwomen]

Wasn't expecting you here!

[@artichoke333]

🖤

[@gummygrenade]

My god, Abigail really has been waiting for a very long time to come out as trans hasn’t she? I’m so sorry that we live in a world where we need to be afraid. I’m proud of you girl.

[@ThomasDaly1488]

Not a girl and neither are you bro

[@sharks2571]

Abigails pre-coming out videos are wild in how much foreshadowing they contain

[@Crippycooke]

“Being cool and marketable isn’t the same as having rights”. Nail on the head.

[@makerstudios5456]

Crippycooke This always blows my mind. What rights do the people you refer to lack?

[@yazoshaughnessy7429]

@@makerstudios5456 huh?

[@alitaniak7404]

@@makerstudios5456 just this week there were several teachers in Indiana and elsewhere that were fired specifically for being gay

[@makerstudios5456]

Larry Soto Are those jobs or housing government institutions? If not, you have no right to work or live there. I think you are confusing rights with privileges.

[@makerstudios5456]

Alitania K Really? Public or private schools?

[@ratthew8287]

daniel howell: *comes out with an artistic video essay* eugene lee yang: hold my beer *comes out with an artistic dance piece* olly: hold MY beer *comes out with an artistic video essay including 3 musical bits*

[@TaylorjAdams]

Oh wow. Thank you for getting that eugene lee yang video to beneath the rock under which I live

[@Flowtail]

This is a slippery slope-what’s next, kids preparing huge ensemble musical numbers to come out to their families?!?

[@Flowtail]

Also, Kyle of Brows Held High came out by lighting

[@ratthew8287]

@@Flowtail dont tempt me or i might make a coming out christmas musical special

[@swanstarr1441]

@@Flowtail I could probably write the music for those that wish it

[@byrongsmith]

"Just because something's taught in university doesn't mean it's legit. Plenty of things have been taught in universities that are complete nonsense, like phrenology. Or business studies." 🔥

[@disneybunny45]

I've been watching some old videos with the Arsonist character, and I realized just how often Abby talked about transgender issues. I had always thought she was just a really good ally, but it seems she was thinking about it for a while. I am glad she realized the truth about herself and that she is much happier!

[@peacefulleopard8016]

What videos have the Arsonist character? Just wondering. (also if you reply to this, you don’t need to tell me EVERY video with the Arsonist, just a couple)

[@morgoth_bauglir]

@@peacefulleopard8016 her videos on steve bannon (arsonist's dirst appearance) and climate grief come to mind

[@DeathnoteBB]

She said in her coming out video she was transitioning well before telling us!

[@DeathnoteBB]

@@peacefulleopard8016 The video about Jordan Peterson’s ideology is how I learned about the arsonist character

[@milkteamachine]

"It looked very unusual, rather than, it had a septum piercing and an undercut" As a queer with a septum piercing and an undercut, how DARE you come for me like this.

[@xRockChickenx]

I came here ready to be read, and yet that line threw me off my rhythm

[@JordanSullivanadventures]

I like to imagine that Abi's internal monologue is actually complex musical numbers.

[@sarahkrzywicki1886]

Have we *really* seen any evidence to the contrary tho?

[@TheMadwomen]

I mean, it's what mine are like more often than not.

[@alexiscervantes5774]

just like crazy ex-girlfriend

[@KikomochiMendoza]

>Olly comes across an ice cream stand >31 flavors to choose >*Bass drum and hi hat*

[@sabrinalundquist5566]

Jordan Sullivan whoa, the sequel to Crazy Ex Girlfriend!

[@Brooke-rw8rc]

"Steady as she goes!" *dad tapping watch on wrist used for clock joke* Subtle, Abby!

[@garax1548]

I don’t get how it’s a joke :( help pls

[@nemoy7267]

@@garax1548 I guess because "getting clocked" is a term for being revealed as queer.

[@scouttyra]

And the joke was used earlier in the video. Also, iirc getting clocked is used more for trans people, but that could be because I've only seen it in that context

[@beaismyname5591]

@@garax1548 getting clocked it what you say when someone realizes youre trans.

[@Hhhhhh-sz9ud]

@@scouttyra well she’s out as trans now, but I don’t know if she was at the time.

[@BCKBCK]

A trans girl dressing like a guy dressing like a girl

[@sarahgent2674]

Truly Shakespearean, which is appropriate

[@Riley-nw6jv]

Broke:Are you bi/pan? Woke:"is he,,, you know,,,, ✨"

[@Riley-nw6jv]

@@cms3816 y e s

[@Zephyr_Zeitgeist]

Is he...you know...*lights a sparkler*

[@CDexie]

@@cms3816 limb wrist must DEFINITELY be reclaimed

[@mathieuleader8601]

hello Peter

[@MascaraMorada]

Are they...you know... *finger guns*

[@satansmascara9756]

internalised homophobia as a disney villain song is the best thing ive seen all day ngl

[@breadbread4226]

Make that all week for me lol

[@higanbana_red1772]

Hachikuji best girl

[@satansmascara9756]

@@higanbana_red1772 good taste pal

[@higanbana_red1772]

Himawari Person But Ougi best hypothetical girl. She may exist, she may not, he may be a dude, she may not be a dude, we never know. Schrodingers Girl.

[@Danilaschannel]

失礼、噛みました

[@mewnboy]

Abi flirting with herself via musical number is peak bisexual. Her performance in “Steady As She Goes” really stuck with me the first time I saw this-makes more sense in hindsight. As an actor, sometimes you don’t realize why a character resonates with so much until the performance is finally over.

[@PorterNetwork]

Decades from now, philosophy professors in the most esteemed universities will lecture on Abigail Thorn's greatest contribution to the discipline: The Wittgensteinian Theory of Dick

[@amandajoy3959]

"I feel like an astronaut, alone in my little capsule, adrift through space." "I feel like a timelord. I can go anywhere and do anything." Is this character development but in real life?

[@crazystorm1659]

Good comment

[@FlottisPar]

I actually got a tear in my eye :O

[@mihailazar2487]

TIME LORD VICTORIOUS

[@tonycampbell1424]

@@FlottisPar Saaaaame

[@evelynpayne855]

Cosmonaut moment

[@26Staples]

bi folks being aggressively and unapologetically bi is absolutely my favourite thing

[@ynakoliai5146]

Yep it really is super cool.

[@ahouyearno]

It's necessary. Bi erasure lowers the stats and makes complicit bigots out of natural born allies.

[@waytoobiased]

Nick Nelson moment?

[@sunioc]

Holy crap at 10:08 during the line "settle for a girl, neither up or down, sell it to the crowd that has gathered round" the male character looks at Abby, them looks directly into the camera and winks. Thats one hell of an Easter egg.

[@jrevillug]

And the smile on her face immediately after!

[@NorthJackson]

@@jrevillug along with the line "sell it to the crowd" . Abigail you fucking genius.

[@rae9892]

23:28 "And the advice from some of my queer friends was, 'Be careful what you come out as.'" Goddamn, there was lots of careful consideration in this whole arc in Abby's life. ❤

[@Steve-yc2ss]

😭😭😭😭❤❤❤

[@RodrigoCastroAngelo]

Me: ah coming out isn't necessary. If straight people don't need to come out so don't I. Olly: makes 3 musical numbers

[@CDexie]

If you do anything, do it with ✨

[@patriciamercer7632]

@@Allison_Hart The theory behind coming out is that it is easy for people to hate "the gays" in theory, but it is much harder when it is someone in your own family. It's harder to be an actual hateful bigot to someone you actually care about. That said, I don't feel that there should be an obligation to come out. By no means should you come out if you're not in a safe place to do so, if you don't have a contingency plan in case shit does go sideways. And I have no sympathy for those who would dare out anyone against their will.

[@Darkerxz]

Allison Hart I love you it's the first time I see someone else write it down

[@arthurribeiro8638]

Brasileiro. Crisps

[@jamesgraham5692]

Wasn't he implicitly bi at least, like, a while ago?

[@jamiepach5845]

My boyfriend recently introduced me to this channel, and I realized that Olly is the sole source of his entire personality

[@sasharemington6025]

Keep him

[@jamiepach5845]

@@sasharemington6025 update: she is her now and we are still together

[@sasharemington6025]

@@jamiepach5845 Now these are the updates I signed up for. That is the most valid shit I have heard in my life

[@JaabaaYup]

Oh wow, this made my day❤

[@ZijnShayatanica]

So Wholesome™ 💖

[@Trashley652]

It would be so cool if Abi did another cover of The devil you know, and just took the original video from this for the blue side, and re-did the pink side as Abi

[@scouttyra]

+

[@michaelhird432]

You'd end up with the blue side misgendering her though

[@Trashley652]

@@michaelhird432 I mean, yes, it would be but I think that's something they'd do, but I can also see that being upsetting so perhaps not. But I also doubt she will, since her coming out video she just seems to avoid mentioning or showing any time before it. Which is very understandable

[@ketrakrelek2347]

the thumbnail hits differently now

[@angeleyes4720]

'being cool and marketable isn't the same thing as having rights' - this right here is just,, damn

[@Joker8pie]

Me: "Hey everyone I'm bisexual" Abigail PhilosophyTube Thorn: *creates 36 minute-long video analyzing the word Queer which includes 2 musical numbers and gushes about the Lesbian Avengers* "Oh, yes, me also. I also am bisexual, by the way."

[@orionmartoridouriet6834]

*3 musical numbers, not 2

[@the_cosmic_alexolotl2282]

mood

[@jpratt8676]

Yeah... I think we'd have to be kinda blind to not have noticed.

[@Emptylord]

I can't remember which KZbinr it was that said this, or the exact quote, but something along the lines of "queer people are the only marginalised group who do not at least get to grow up among peers". This thought always comes to mind whenever confronted with shame or fear about coming out: the genuine belief that you're the only person going through what you're going through. And even knowing that you're probably not the only person doesn't help if you cannot find others, too.

[@stiofanmacamhalghaidhau765]

I am pointing at 95% of Neurodivergent people right now. Jus sayin

[@nbmoleminer5051]

​@@stiofanmacamhalghaidhau765Relate Rel Relate!

[@polarys79]

That "Yer mum" character has layeeeeers!!! A woman dressed as a man dressed as a woman! Pointing out the foreshadowing in this year's vids is my new pasttime. Besos, Abigail.

[@PutoMedicoBrujo]

well, the phrase "TRANScendentally BISEXUAL" was foreshadowing enough ¿no te parece? (DISCLAIMER: this was a pun)

[@bluehairedemon]

btw, there is a show in my country that fetures a cis woman pretending to be a man, and in one episode she dresses up as a woman as a man and it gets brodcasted on television in the show, so you get to the situation of having a woman play a woman (because the actress plays her) play a man play a woman on tv on tv

[@stel5192]

6:51 queer time is the reason we walk faster than straight people

[@glitch84-]

Can i use this amazing sentence on my social media please??? My whatsapp status needs a good update like this

[@stel5192]

@@glitch84- i would be honored😌

[@felipedaiber2991]

Also that you have to be faster to go at the same speed but in zig zag

[@bighams69]

And talk faster

[@spacegay9309]

Google Maps already knows!

[@BliffleSplick]

Het-lag: the delay in realising that you're not straight (and that's ok)

[@bxvtriz]

Bliffle Splick 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@atheistsgod]

I love this term and will be stealing it from now on. Thank you! XD

[@TaylorjAdams]

I mean... I feel like het-lag should mean the delay in realizing that you are straight but I also feel like it would probably sound like a slur if you stuck more to the denotations so I guess... Wittgenstein was probably right about the game of words making context important?

[@quilespiritu]

HET-LAG OMG I LOVE IT

[@rusted_ursa]

Yeah, that's showing up in my next novel. 😂😂😂

[@Zernium]

Man, "Steady as She Goes" really hits differently now.

[@madisonthegreat44]

Her videos hit different after she came out

[@DarkSciencez]

Bi folks here celebrating Olly coming out as bi, and here I am just proud of him coming out as a fellow alto sax player.😊

[@soupsoup4245]

I mean, bisexuality and playing the alto sax are very correlated

[@bom.6658]

Soup Soup can confirm, played alto sax for years, turns out I’m Bi

[@screamingweevil3410]

I'm fine with sax players, so long as they do it in private and don't push their agenda on me. Not saxophobic; I just believe in traditional compositional values:/

[@xylophone897]

I think enbies and trombones are the same way.

[@destroma6067]

What about a BISEXUAL ALTO SAX PLAYER?

[@brecky384]

The world definitely needs this expanded into a rock opera entitled “Transcendentally Bisexual.”

[@merrittanimation7721]

And it ends with the protagonist ascending into heavens out of sheer beautiful sexuality, glowing the whole time.

[@goodsocksproductions9397]

Someone get on this! I will pay good money for it

[@anabeebop]

I know this is going to sound weird but this video made me think that Olly should star in an edgy remake of “Paint Your Wagon”

[@Michaela_ZC]

That will be the title of the 6 hour theatrical adaptation of all of theses essays.

[@amphioxusanniversary]

@@Michaela_ZC Not the weirdest source material for a musical (glances at "How to Succeed")

[@umbraemilitos]

Today is January 31, 2021, and I had to rewatch this video after today's wonderful news.

[@river9641]

I always thought Abigail was stunning in “Steady As She Goes”! Never even looked at the husband once lol

[@lavenderbearasmr3562]

*Walks out of changing room* "Does this outfit make me look gay?" "Don't worry, it doesn't." "DAMN IT. Time to try again."

[@the_maybe]

big same

[@DaughtersofOrion]

damn! try again. hahaha

[@dylanchouinard6141]

420th like

[@merrittanimation7721]

"Needs more glitter"

[@shenak1222]

Don't you mean.... out of the CLOSET???!?!

[@c.smidgeon2847]

"Created bi Oliver Thorn" *you absolute lad* EDIT: Oh me oh my thanks for all the likes Now if only we could get Olly to put these covers on Spotify...

[@MrSmeagolsGhost]

Schmitty I missed that, it was well played.

[@magpie405]

such a fucking unit of a bisexual

[@BothHands1]

i laughed so hard at that part omg olly is the best thing to happen to the internet since natalie. and together, they're just the best thing to ever happen to the internet

[@tonycampbell1424]

Absolute legend

[@Channotek72]

She really went and said FUCK them business majors 😭😂😂

[@behindthemask2399]

Timestamps for the incredibly great musical numbers: 7:47 (Steady as she goes) 17:16 (The devil you know) 32:57 (just my type(? What is it called?) )

[@tahoesackett578]

My type

[@cookies4me449]

Pretty sure there’s a word for this... oh foreshadowing that’s the one

[@marksanchez7323]

It's almost like every male person has the ability to identify as a transwoman.

[@pranavflame]

@@marksanchez7323 it's not an ability. Abilities are something you have the CHOICE to exercise.... And people don't "choose" their identities any more than basalt "chooses" to be an igneous rock

[@marksanchez7323]

@@pranavflame So a female person could identify as a transwomen if that's really how she felt inside?

[@FishMr3]

@@marksanchez7323 nobody identifies *as* a trans woman. People who were Assigned Male At Birth but then later realise that their gender identity is female identify as "women", just as cis-women identify as "women". "Trans women" is just a catch all term for "people born and told they were men who have realised that they are actually women"

[@marksanchez7323]

@@FishMr3 But what about people who don't have a gender identity? your argument assumes that "man" and "woman" aren't simply referring to male and female people respectively. And yes, people do in fact identify as transwomen. There's a reason Caitlyn Jenner was able to win a men's gold medal at the olympics.

[@jakelynefinan8614]

Olly: "oh, how do I know if I'm really bisexual?" Also Olly: *wears leather jacket while saying it*

[@callusklaus2413]

Leather jackets are bi gui culture don't fucking @ me

[@grmpEqweer]

@@callusklaus2413 _Fucking @'s you_

[@browncoat697]

Wait, leather jackets are bi now? Man, I learn more about the Ramones all the time

[@callusklaus2413]

@@browncoat697 One of us, one of us!

[@Shalott99]

@@browncoat697 & the Fonz

[@acehealer4212]

Thorn 2019: I’m bi Thorn 2021: I’m trans and my name is Abi You love to see it ✨

[@8Rincewind]

32:27 it's interesting hearing her say she feels like a Timelord. In Identity the way The Man Who Isn't There faded out mid-bow and Abigail confidently walked through the door reminded me a lot of regeneration in Doctor Who. (Not in modern Doctor Who but similar-ish to old regenerations). On an unrelated note, her entrance also for some reason gave me vibes of the TV Shows Life on Mars and Ashes to Ashes. Maybe it's the David Bowie connection.

[@dotnet621]

at this point Olly's turning into a full-on disney character that has a dramatic song for every occasion, and i absolutely love it

[@MirdjanHyle]

Your comment made me happy

[@EldritchMango]

Disney where is our philosophy prince movie?

[@gateauxq4604]

Which means that Olly is Disney princess and is therefore legally required to have glitter in his videos from now on 🦄

[@tacticalturret505]

@@gateauxq4604 This comment aged swimmingly.

[@eruditecaptain3117]

"The Gregorian Calendar, the Jewish Calendar, and the Gay Agenda" Your visual humor is amazing.

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

How is she so good at acting that when I see steady as she goes I'm like "Why are they standing so close without masks"!?!? Also she's literally a woman playing a man playing a woman, like when I watch this I sometimes forget that the person from the beginning of identity and the end are the same person, THEY'RE STANDING IN THE SAME ROOM THEYRE DIFFERENT PEOPLE DAMN IT omg abby is so good

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

I have returned to this comment after realizing it isn't her in the beginning of identity but in my defense it's like the one of hers I havent ever rewatched until now

[@trishasaoirse1511]

ah, and to think it was only a year ago that the thought "thorn cleans up really well". oh how times change. congratuations. steady as you go.

[@shm1wt]

Olly: *watching documentary on vogueing, furiously taking notes* Olly to Olly: This is what straight people do.

[@maggi_knorr]

That's how straight works

[@miche8868]

+++

[@Tonyklick]

Hahahah!

[@disastermidi1990]

Idk it’s not how trans ppl work that’s all I kno

[@soorian6493]

Me, a straight: "ooh queer theory vid" *takes out notes* *Sees comment* *Crisis noise* "Shit"

[@roxyndra]

"Oh, how do I know if I'm really bisexual? Well nevermind that, how do I really know anything!?" Get out of my head.

[@burner1303]

lmao same

[@gradientmapabuser9875]

Same :o

[@astupidface1645]

“I’m one of the lads” so that was a lie

[@scouttyra]

+

[@mickelamock2220]

Acting

[@elfodelputoinfierno]

Came from binging Philosophy Tube in 2022 and I was so confused, like "who tf is this sexy-vampire-looking person, where's Abigail??" until I read the comments lmao

[@TheTonzLDN]

Yes, obviously we're all just here to learn like true scholarly gentlemen but, at the same time, songstamps are: 7:47 - Steady as she goes (The Raconteurs) 17:17 - The Devil You Know (Side Show) 32:57 - My Type (Saint Motel)

[@anselmschueler]

Are these songs covers of existing songs?

[@TheTonzLDN]

@@anselmschueler Yes! The original artists are in brackets but some lyrics were changed in The Devil You Know to make it more relevant

[@imanimr2098]

Anthony Marsdon you are a hero 🙏👏

[@MsAirnation]

I heard the opening beats to steady as she goes and honestly got so excited

[@FlockOfHawks]

@@TheTonzLDN Thanx !

[@hanahyperfixates]

Olly, in his dreams: Yes I'm bisexual 👏 Yes I'm a pope 👏 We EXIST.

[@ernststravoblofeld]

Wouldn't be the first one.

[@shilohstuart3841]

Congrats Abigail, this is officially my favorite video on all of youtube. Back in 2016 I came out to my friends and family as bisexual. Privately, I was already beginning to understand that I'm actually trans non-binary, but I wasn't prepared for all the "what does that mean???" questions that would inevitably come with that conversation - even with my incredibly supportive and progressive family. A couple years later, I did eventually come out as non-binary as well, and when I first saw this video I was struck by how much it hit home as a trans person, even though you were only coming out as bi. I'll admit, I did wonder if you were going to come out as trans, and there was the slightest bit of disappointment that you didn't. But just like me, you needed time to come out on your own terms and I'm so proud of you for doing so. And I'm thankful for the glimpses into your experience that you did share. It hits even closer to home now. Sorry for the novel - just wanted to share how much this video means to me. Keep being the absolute legend that you are, Abigail 💜

[@IAmTheUltimateRuler]

"double check the double meanings"

[@nemoy7267]

Just like a stage magician, Abby pulls reveals layer upon layer of tricks

[@Juxtaposedjoker]

Oliver: I'm bi. Everyone else: It is known

[@MK.5198]

Literally! I could have sworn he had come out in an earlier youtube video!

[@SAWNERDDDSE]

The bi energy just radiates from this man

[@stephenmarco2927]

Look you don’t film yourself in purple and blue light that often if you’re not trying to tell us something.

[@merrittanimation7721]

So I'm not as socially incompetent as I thought...

[@elapembrook3866]

Pretty much EVERY KZbinr I really like comes out as bi sooner or later, this was inevitable. We have our own special magnetic field, I swear.

[@clavasconcellos1712]

How amazing is rewatching this video a year and something later and recontextualize and understand it in a whole new level? Thanks for that Abigail!

[@cockycookie1]

I would listen to a whole album by her. Who's with me?

[@scouttyra]

+

[@MissIndipendant98]

Oli can't possibly be more attractive than he already is. *makes a video looking like a snack, vulnerably opening up about his sexuality and blasting queer rock ballads* Oh. My.

[@badasunicorn6870]

I know right! He totaly seduced me with that saxophone (not that I was in need of further seduction at that point)

[@shantih19]

Every time he licks his lips before the songs I die and resurrect hornier than before.

[@filipepinheiro8250]

oh dear that close ups in his face when the devil you know was playing cause me smth

[@GreatBooker]

And then Abi comes along, revealing Philosophy Tube is even hotter than we had previously believed

[@doob195]

Oh, she's much more attractive now. Seriously, Abi is so fucking beautiful it's insane.

[@twin_rabbit]

"Was this really done for me?" Here's the thing, we did it and we're still doing it, so you'd have choices we hadn't been allowed. What those choices would be, sure we had hopes, but it's not like we knew every direction you'd go. Articles about 'Metrosexual' duchebros and 'Lesbian Chic' fashion models were maddening while marriage was illegal and Matthew Shepard was getting beaten to death, but without those articles would Matthew's death have even been noticed? We were writing a new narrative, it was messy and chaotic and the path was hardly ever clear. Even if you're not quite what we expected, yes, it was really done for you. It was done for all of you. You wanna rock a cardigan with Ted Baker shorts and cowboy boots, it *is* a disaster but you do you honey, it's your choice.

[@ExcuseZero]

I have no words other than thank you, so much.

[@gnome3715]

this should be top comment, yes!!!

[@veiledAutonym]

Right on. The fight's never finished either, but you all fought so hard and it got us so far. We wouldn't be able to push the fights we're pushing now without that history. And we won't stop.

[@ruthielalastor2209]

💜

[@astaiannymph]

We do it for everyone.

[@SynthieFlowers]

This video suddenly has a different meaning. So proud of you for coming out, Abby!

[@RunningEagle2011]

i had the same thought when she was explaining time relativity and transness

[@athomassen3980]

Okay this hits different now... congrats, Abigail!

[@jupacka]

Funny how that works huh?

[@mme.veronica735]

@@jupacka Well she said she already handled all the transition stuff so a year ago she very much would have known then and been dealing with the legal transition likely

[@ChloHB]

“ You, you, you’re just my type You got a pulse and you are breathing” I never realised that “My type” could be considered a bi anthem, I’m mind blown

[@saltmomtmissad8384]

I now listen to it constantly pfdhd

[@ChloHB]

SaltmomTM Is Sad Good taste my friend ;)

[@saltmomtmissad8384]

@@ChloHB what other songs would you recommend that have a similar vibe?! I'm in love with it. (My recommendation is Read Receipts... Not rlly the same genre but gives off similar vibes imo)

[@anemoi6803]

@@saltmomtmissad8384 Most of the Crane Wives music is pretty bi. But its more on the disaster bi spectrum I'd argue

[@georgearnold841]

You're kidding right? Wow. I suppose this kind of innuendo can be a bit difficult to decipher.

[@katiegrams4775]

I’m a high school teacher and this video reminded me of this one time a couple of students clocked me as bisexual because I did finger guns

[@Minihood31770]

Wait, finger guns are bi now?

[@QuinnArgo]

@@Minihood31770 for some weird reason yes

[@MildlyUpsetMax]

Guess I'm bi then 🤷

[@jdprettynails]

I've just found out about this too. I use finger guns all the time!

[@datfisheboi6519]

I've been doing finger guns before I even knew I was bi wtf

[@madeline7272]

I'm come back here sometimes just to listen to the songs

[@rebbecawitt581]

Soooo, this has a whole other layer of meaning now

[@LampShadeAffair]

you know that “transcendentally bisexual” clip is going to be a gif

[@fritzehn8191]

I hope it does, i wanna use it to describe myself all the time

[@endTHEhegemony_Today]

Wish gifs had audio because that's what absolutely makes it!!

[@Cy-V]

Yep. Already done 😁

[@maggiefelisberto5281]

I screenshotted to make it my cover photo everywhere

[@Cy-V]

@@endTHEhegemony_Today It does on gfycat! already uploaded it there.

[@noahmansland3301]

"am i gay in denial, am i straight in denial" welcome to bisexuality my dude.

[@bigtimebusinessman8978]

feeling thissss

[@paigedevine5796]

Yep haha

[@KarishmaChanglani]

This resonates waaaaayyyyy too hard

[@Wot-pu7su]

That’s actually a real good way to describe it, never thought of that

[@noahmansland3301]

@@Wot-pu7su well, that's everyday of my life :^)

[@petercohen1408]

23:15 "The fact that I'm kind of a public figure now adds an extra dimension of challenge, it's not like I can hide it" ...lmfao smooth

[@nomMascot]

I’m appreciating this video even more now in the light of more recent recontextualization

[@brittanykidwell9044]

Me too 😍 I think that’s a good thing

[@fetB]

what is the context (new here)