Surprising Nutritional Strategies for Recovering From ME/CFS - With Mary Ruddick!

[@_elfifle_]

Mary is very knowledgeable about different nervous system related conditions, and I followed her group calls and soup diet during my recovery from Long Covid (diagnosed POTS, ME/CFS, chronic pain and more), together with several others with Long Covid. I wish I could say it helped me, but it actually didn't (it made me slightly worse in the shorter term including hair loss and worse fatigue), I guess the ketogenic diet was too hard on my body and brain, so I did not continue it further. Most of the others who have followed her (or Jen's) protocol in the group have also not seen the results they were expecting or hoping for, and they've now also embarked on a nervous system healing practice in which many of us are already seeing results. Diet IS important, Mary does have a good point i.e. on fasting and giving your body a break from tough digestion, and the importance of essential nutrients the gut needs to heal. I now eat little sugar, less yeast and grains, more protein, and way more healthy fats (including Mary's meat broth), and when I feel the need I use gut healing supplements (in my case, l-glutamine and slippery elm bark powder, but everyone's different so it's trial and error). I'd like to stress that although diet is important, it's not a magic bullet to healing - if anything is, I believe it's the nervous system. So if one needs to hyperfocus on one aspect of their healing (as I did and is completely logical in a search to healing), I guess the nervous system brings the most results. Just my two cents for anyone who decides to embark on a gut healing journey. Thank you for spreading awareness on the little understood and life altering chronic conditions like ME/CFS, I really appreciate your videos, Raelan!

[@teddybearroosevelt1847]

Fellow Covid long hauler here. I had the same experience with the ketogenic diet. It brought back symptoms that I hadn’t had in months. Then I had a blood test done and my insulin levels as well as my insulin resistance were very low, so I decided to go on a very high fruit diet. And curiously, I don’t have muscle pains nearly as often as I used to. So I guess my metabolism finds it easier to process the carbs/sugars than the fats. I do do intermittent fasting, so I don’t eat in the morning and in most of the afternoon. I’ve been doing it so long my body has adjusted to it and I don’t feel any hunger any more during the day. I’m convinced this is the way forward toward a full recovery for me, as it not only promotes autophagy and gives my body a break from processing food so it can dedicate its energy to other things, but it’s also practical in the sense that sometimes I still feel tired after eating, I can’t burn the calories the way I used to with exercise and it offers a larger time window to take various pills and medicines on an empty stomach.

[@angelaramsay1778]

Can you tell me the name of the 'nervous system healing practice . ? I am of the beleif the key is in a combo of gut care and nervous system care.

[@vinnies5615]

Yeah. Frustrating that Mary is saying here not to embark on this if you're still dealing with acute anxiety or medical PTSD, since we pretty much all were (long covid is a beast) and this was not given to us as a prior warning two years ago. I knew the diet was exacerbating that anxiety, but felt like that was somehow supposed to be outweighed by the benefits, so carried on regardless. Unsurprisingly, I never saw big results since I was pretty much humming with anxiety the whole time. Still, I'm glad she's pointing that out to anyone watching now..!

[@_elfifle_]

@@angelaramsay1778 I wrote a whole piece, published it and now it’s gone. I agree, the nervous system and diet are key to healing chronic illness such as ME/CFS. In short, there are quite some approaches to healing the nervous system. Ie journaling (check out Nicole Sachs), breathing and meditation practices, tapping are some examples, and as Mary says lifestyle practices ie early sun exposure, stress reduction, nutrition (each their own, not everyone fares on keto), as well as somatic trauma-based therapy such as EMDR. And most of all, letting go of the fear that “something is structurally wrong with me” and don’t feel like you’re failing if some healing modality doesn’t work (this is all from my experience and other long haulers I know have healed or are healing). @vinnies5615 I agree! Anxiety is the worst, and counterproductive. And sometimes inevitable during a period such as those with PTSD.

[@thecelloproject836]

Elfi, for how long did you do Mary’s program? I’m just curious!

[@j0t324]

Re my own healing and many others, I have found working on these, in this order provided complete healing from several debilitating conditions: - Calm the nervous system first - Purge toxicity and pathogen overload second - Develop a robust microbiome third - Nutrient load forth Plus keep healthily hydrated, have good sleep, and good body movement

[@natashas.3119]

What do you feel is the best way to calm the nervous system?

[@PeaceIsYeshua]

@@natashas.3119 I recently heard of the Gupta System for calming the nervous system, which then allows the body to heal. But I would think meditation, prayer, positive (and realistic) affirmations would also do it. ❤

[@marisademore468]

Excellent Raelan, thank you. Could I recommend you reach out to Elliot Overton of EONutrition and interview him, pretty please? He uses high dose Vitamin B1 to treat various health conditions and a lot of his clients have CFS/ME. I took high dose B1 and recovered 50% of my energy but it only lasted for 4 months. I've found out since that it knocks other nutrients out of balance so you need to adjust things. I read that high dose B1 mops up lactic acid which is one of the things, they say, blocking the methylation cycle and stopping the mitochondria from doing their job. Elliot also happens to be a fount of knowledge regarding oxalates and the carnivore diet so you might need to interview him 3 times 🤗. I'm sure your viewers would benefit. For your interest, one of the big names on the block regarding oxalates is Sally Norton. Best wishes xx

[@FreshAgenda]

I would second this.

[@tanyawieczorek6603]

Thirded!

[@lenavoyles526]

Fourthed!

[@EnergyDiscoveries]

I have watched almost every video with Mary Ruddick, and every time i find mind blowing information.

[@BelovedShift]

Love Mary, I’m carnivore for now and I learned so much from her ❤ who knew from raw vegan to health at a whole new level 🎉🎉🎉 I’m glad I’m not dogmatic on anything, open to everything and attached to no thing

[@MsJessyBee]

I just discovered Mary and I am so impressed and intrigued with all that she has to say and offer. Her story is very encouraging! With that being said, I’d love to see more me CFS recovery stories from her approach. I know not everyone who recovers and does a story, but all the recovery stories I have seen say that diet was not as important as calming the nervous system and easing into activity. I played around with my diet for five years and never saw a difference. I do believe in clean, eating, and being balanced in that area, but everybody who recovers say, the diet and supplements, were not as big of a deal as working with the nervous system. Does anybody know where we can see testimonies? Definitely sounds like it could work, makes sense, but I’d like to see and hear from people who have been through it.

[@luistirado88]

if sign up for her newsletter as if you're going to enroll to her program, she sends you a link to videos of recovery stories.

[@lenavoyles526]

I have got to say - I am professionally trained in hypnosis, I know all about how to induce different brainwave states, I practiced Hatha yoga six days a week for over ten years until illness forced me to stop, I have meditated every single day of my life for the last fifteen years - NONE of that will work if you are severely deficient in B vitamins. The tissues of the nervous system simply cannot maintain their integrity and function without B vitamins, thiamine, riboflavin, and niacin in particular. I've been watching the "just be more Zen and you'll heal" advice circulate in these communities for years (sometimes accompanied by offerings of very expensive digital "nervous system retraining programs"), and I've got to say, you're never going to meditate your way out of a severe deficiency of an essential nutrient. I'm not saying don't do the meditation and the breath work - by all means, do anything that is calming and emotionally supportive. Just don't do it in lieu of giving the body the nutrients it needs.

[@WasenshiDo]

​@lenavoyles526 glad you figured that out! I've been getting my B vitamins up recently and it's a big difference

[@sarahmason3622]

I love this interview. The snake analogy is so true. I have recovered and this really resonates, we can’t expect to change our health if we are not willing to make changes.

[@BelovedShift]

After wfpb for 1 1/2 years, now I’m 80% raw, fruit morning only and my body loves it!!! I do everything now

[@BelovedShift]

Wow 🎉I’m humbled, my husband got cancer and I became his caregiver , after having dips, I switched to carnivore and rebuild quickly and had the strength to care for him, he died this past Christmas and I’m still rebuilding on carnivore after I was sure raw food was my answer, no more listening to any one but my body…save the humans too

[@MsJessyBee]

Also, I’d like to add in my friend has done Mary’s program and a huge chunk of it is lifestyle changes working with your nervous system and values and beliefs.

[@luistirado88]

yes the nervous system work is more important than the diet.

[@PeaceIsYeshua]

@@luistirado88 Wow, that is so interesting! Can you be emotionally at peace/content but still have a stressed nervous system? I’ve long been emotionally at peace, but I feel my “body” reacts like it’s stressed, which is puzzling. I’ve been mentally fatigued for years. I hear the Gupta program is great for the nervous system. Anyone else?

[@tanyawieczorek6603]

​@@PeaceIsYeshua did you try that program and did it help?

[@PeaceIsYeshua]

@@tanyawieczorek6603 Hi! I went with Ben Ahren’s Re-Origin. I am absolutely loving it so far. It’s light-hearted, happy and science-based as opposed to feeling new age. I’m not even a full 1/4th way into the program yet though, so it’s too early to tell, but I’m hopeful! 😊 Best to you on your journey!

[@PeaceIsYeshua]

@@tanyawieczorek6603 Hi! My first reply got deleted, so I’ll try again!! I went with Ben Ahren’s. Re-Origin. I am absolutely loving it so far. It’s light-hearted, happy and science-based as opposed to feeling new age. I’m not even a full 1/4th way into the program yet though, so it’s too early to tell, but I’m hopeful! 😊 Best to you on your journey! 💕

[@thegangov14]

Thank you Raelan, for all your efforts in helping people with ME/CFS. And congratulations on the 1mil views ⭐

[@sarahdean6441]

Listening for the 4th time 😂. Lots to learn...love it. Thank you Raelan and Mary.

[@lenavoyles526]

I will strongly second the suggestion that fat soluble thiamine (B1) is one of the supplements to use. I did GAPS for over two years and have followed a Weston Price diet for close to six years and I just got sicker and sicker. TTFD and Benfotiamine are the only things that have turned the downhill slide around. I believe that B vitamin deficiencies play a huge role in the malfunction of the nervous system that we see in CFS and dysautonomia and my experience tells me that an immaculate diet is not enough to reverse those deficiencies brought on by the modern world - supplements to the rescue! Elliot Overton has a great video addressing whether carnivore is enough to correct thiamine deficiency. Also, please do not eat spinach even for three weeks of the year - not until after you've read Sally Norton's book Toxic Superfoods, which I think will blow your mind as it did mine. Oxalic acid poisoning was well known in the 19th century, and there is ample documentation of individuals who have died - yes, died - from eating ONE serving of greens high in oxalate, such as sorrel.

[@kcam3683]

Thanks Raelan, that was so interesting and now I have loads of questions running round my head! I’ve worked with a couple of functional medicine people in the UK and had hoped for more nutritional guidance but it was very much supplement focused with no help on the nutrition side - Mary sounds like the ideal person. I’d be really grateful for any suggestions from anyone for someone that is knowledgeable in a similar way as Mary regarding nutrition - thank you 💜

[@efi4930]

RAELAN THANK YOU SO MUCH ! THIS IS VERY CONFUSING FOR ME. I CANT THINK OF NOT EATING FRUITS AND VEGGIES AS HEALTHY...

[@honorburza9110]

What i took away from this video is that fruit is good at the right time of day (late afternoon) and veggies are healthiest in season (like spinach due to toxins, not to say it isn’t a healthy plant, just shouldn’t be eaten 12 months of the year).

[@noamay]

The other biggest problem is we live in a society where we have a lot of stress from work and have to sit all day.. So how do you have time to incorporate all the things healthy if there is just no time

[@BelovedShift]

You both look so radiant ❤

[@luistirado88]

that's the most attractive thing about a woman. Her radiance.

[@DrGearHeadSS]

A healthy diet is important. I think that these isolated people don't deal with the same stresses of the modern world lifestyle. So I don't think diet is the main factor. But bad gut health certainly contributes.

[@KWilliams22]

Totally agree!! The autonomic nervous system actually regulates things like the gut so if you can get that in balance a lot of the problems to some extent fix themselves....although it is important to eat a well balanced healthy diet too for all round health and gut microbiome. I also think strict diets can cause eating problems and feed into control tendencies which many of us with CFS are trying to avoid/lessen 🤔

[@sla1xyz]

Nor the long term effects of antibiotics and other medications

[@lenavoyles526]

Actually, Mary, like Weston Price before her, refutes that point pretty soundly by pointing out that when these cultures adopt just one or two industrialized foods - say, refined sugar or refined flour - even though their lifestyle remains unchanged, their health status is severely negatively impacted. If you want you want the deep dive on this see Price's Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. Moreover, Price was able to improve the health of individuals living in Western Civilization by giving them ancestral foods high in fat soluble vitamins.

[@deepalijones9402]

I have watched many of Mary's interviews now and she has almost always mentioned the idea of ancestral processing of plant food to not build up plant toxins in the body. I think the next interview should be all about food processing! I would love to know more about safe ways to eat plants!

[@cadeheinberg3047]

Diet is very hard to find what works for you. It took me trial and error for about 1.5 years of extreme diets until I used the lion diet of just beef salt and water as an elimination diet and for me I noticed that my fatigue improved alot and so then after a few weeks I began to reintroduce. I finally landed on basically just red meat, berries, and some vegetables and it works pretty good for me compared to the SAD. I will say that there are different things you might need to address first before a diet will make any difference or a positive one. I really dont think the diet would have done much for me in the first few months of my illness because I was so clueless about the autonomic nervous system and other healing tools. Its like you are in a room surrounded with maybe 10 doors. Each door is labeled with something like “diet” “grounding” “sun exposure” “breathwork” “brain retraining” etc. You might explore some doors and some will be locked and some will be unlocked and help you a decent amount or maybe they are just holding a key to a different door inside of them that has been locked. For me, the “diet” door was holding the key to the “exercise” door. For the first 1.5 years I could not do any exercise without PEM. Once I got my diet under control the PEM has become way less intense and frequent and has allowed me to exercise more. And also one door I dont see people talk about much is the “neck” door. Forward head posture, craniocervical instability, previous head or neck injury, etc. So many of those things can cause your blood flow to your head and signals sent through the vagus nerve to be disrupted. I have begun addressing my neck problems from EDS and several years of bad posture and a whiplash incident and for the first time in a long time it feels like I can breath easier. Problems with your neck can cause headaches and even mental or emotional changes like brain fog and anxiety. Even if you dont have pain in your neck, that doesnt mean you dont have issues. The pain can refer elsewhere. I think at least getting a side profile xray of your neck to see how much of a cervical curve you have would be a good place to start. If you have any pain or pessure I suggest just googling around for different trigger points for neck and headaches. Who wouldve knew the pressure and pain in my eyes was being caused by trigger points on the back of my head and neck. Weird! I will summarize the biggest things that have helped me so far. A 80% meat based diet from GOOD sources frozen if possible. Alternating hot and cold showers. Exercising 5 days a week regardless how I slept or feel but not pushing into PEM. Working on my sleep issues, with help of meds if needed. Vagus nerve stimulation via cold water, breathing, and humming. Rest breaks throughout the day of complete lack of mental and physical stimulation. Reteaching myself that I can do things, essentially trying to reverse “learned helplessness”. Exposure and recovery, like going to a store and resting when needed then keep going around the store (I had to use a walker at first for this but now I just find a seat or act like im tying my shoe in the store if i need to rest). And most recently addressing my neck issues. Getting outside and grounding myself or getting daily sunshine is also great.

[@vinnies5615]

Great analogy with the doors! Exactly that.

[@cadeheinberg3047]

@@vinnies5615 Yes I heard it in a video about post concussion syndrome and it really resonated with me! The similarities between MECFS and PCS is very interesting. And there are lots of established treatments that work for PCS so its an interesting area to look into for educating yourself

[@vinnies5615]

@@cadeheinberg3047 I wouldn't have guessed that was about PCS! I'll look into it :)

[@saraha6237]

@@cadeheinberg3047 You’re summarizing your healing journey in such a strong way, thank you! Well done for finding that clarity and trusting your sense of orientation with all those doors! It’s never just one thing helping, or one system affected. As a fellow with sever PCS I can say yes to all you’re mentioning. Of course in PCS the "neck part" next to the "brain part" (biological hyper-sensitivity and over-reactivity to and sensory/cognitive processing issues of very basic stimuli, plus overreactivity to secondary anxiety and social complexities etc) is highlighted. For me there’s the calming-down / pacifying and confidence aspect, and incrementally getting back into movement. I could say so much about this, and yes, the vision-piece (even the eyeball-piece 😅) is so interconnected to all the neck movement. Found this doctor on PT treating cervicogenic dizziness - lightbulb moment. In any aspect of life, can there be healthy mild oscillations instead of spikes constantly everywhere? And yes, re-establishing adaptive nerve and neural function / myelination, plus especially improving the oxygenation of major organs (brain!). Nice that Mary hints at both aspects… would love to hear more. I feel through this video this "diet door" has opened substantially for me. Yay!! What has been pivotal as well for my recovery process at some point is traditional Chinese medicine… loved the thick herbal concoctions, the chicken broth, the knowledge of each food’s value. Mary’s input reminded me of many things I learned there. Also I’d be so curious what she’d say about fermented foods (grains, beans, veggies). And yes! Those stealth-pauses in the grocery store, so familiar.

[@saraha6237]

After a bit of research: "Consume large amounts of fermented foods, if you can tolerate them." I love nattō, Koji and co.

[@EvolverWellness]

Love this women. And yeah I went Keto and it was HARD. Had very little energy for a long time, body was learning to burn fat again, but I did it! Now I can eat Zero carbs all day, still have plenty of energy, and even fast for a day quite easily. And fasting heals the gut, builds more and stronger mitochondria, resets hormones and more. And when I eat carbs now: anxiety and brain fog. I do still eat some now and then and it never feels good. So here’s the path Raelan: Paleo…Keto…Carnivore. That’s the progression. Those last two are very similar btw. They are both basically protein and fat, keto just adds a few carbs, say greens or berries. And no oxalates or any other anti nutrients on carnivore.

[@PeaceIsYeshua]

@@EvolverWellness, do you mind saying how long it took before you started feeling better on keto? I’m so glad it helped you! ❤

[@honorburza9110]

Wow fascinating interview!

[@alexandrecouture2462]

Such an interesting interview! For me, in context of long covid, fasting was very detrimental, so I had to stop it completely. So, the question is: What is the best kind of eyeballs to eat? :) :) :) Just kidding, of course...

[@tanyawieczorek6603]

I read your comment just a few seconds before she said that, but at first I was wtf are you talking about lol I have LC too. How are you doing now? What way of eating helped you?

[@leilalaraibish798]

Anyone knows which probiotics contains the bacteria nissle 1917 that she's referring to ?

[@macgina8412]

Mutaflor

[@arianarubytemple6008]

As someone who has suffered from gut problems all my adult life and fibromyalgia and chronic migraine for the last 6 years I have tried both the fruitarian diet and a keto diet and both have been disastrous. The AIP combined with low carb seems to work best for me although I find it extremely hard to stay away from carbs!

[@cocoazen]

Hi Raelan! I just want to say, as someone who has been whole-foods plant based for 25 years with periods of high raw, i thoroughly enjoyed listening to this interview with you and Mary. I truly believe diet isnt one size fits all, and so many plant based eaters believe that her prescription for healing is wrong. Mary is clearly onto something. Not everyone with severe CFS may recover on her method, because there are thousands of genetic variables among us, that account for bioindividuality. Anyway, her explanations for an ancestral ketogenic approach were excellent, especially around minute 15:30!

[@lialia-tl5os]

you guys are both so pretty!

[@sarahnd]

Hi, I have played this part over and over and just CAN'T understand what she is saying, starting at 15:33: "I would almost always ????? with chronic fatigue and I’ll tell you why." Help! can you please tell me what words I am missing? Thanks!

[@sarahnd]

@Aidan W Thank you!

[@tanyawieczorek6603]

​@@sarahnd how are you doing now?

[@sarahnd]

@@tanyawieczorek6603 Better in terms of fatigue, thanks - I can go longer without crashing, but I still get relapses with headaches, vertigo, eye irritation, etc. when I am too stressed, or just push too hard, or seemingly for no reason. This is all from Long Covid starting in the first wave (March 2020.) Still, I have it so much easier than many people and am very thankful for that. How about you?

[@andyspark5192]

Are there any experiences of taking exogenous ketones during chronic fatigue recovery? If low carb or keto diet lead to some improvements then ketone esters or salts should provide some help too.

[@TheGDJames]

British working class, so my ancestrally appropriate diet is beef dripping sandwiches.

[@BigBadMF43]

She looks kind of like Drita D'Vanzo in the thumnail clcik. Drita said on Mob Wives that she go very sick from stress. You should contact Drita and try to get an interview with her.

[@natanbandler7428]

What ia the best way to measure b1 level?

[@irischkanoname3273]

👍👍👍👍🙏👏🇨🇭

[@gerlachsieders4578]

Let me drop a bomb: The biggest stressor in our lives is caffeine from coffee, tea, chocolate etc... I'm just saying, don't kill the messenger...

[@itzakpoelzig330]

Yeah, caffeine is much more toxic than people realize, and will eventually drain you completely.

[@Jolei33]

The mental and emotional skills to balance and find peace is the most important part of this. Lifestyle changes meant everything. Less stressful home and work life. Brain retraining, meditation, grounding, nature therapy, laughing and vagus nerve activation is the most important parts of my recovery. CBT tools to stop negative thought spirals too. And avoiding isolation within energy limits. Supplements provide me support at the right times have really helped both during calming and building back my nervous system and endocrine system. Belief that I can recover with a strong spiritual center. Each one of us have a unique puzzle for healing.

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[@Jan-444]

you can be in deep ketosis with 6 cups of broccoli a day?????

[@Primetime_dads]

I’ve watched a few videos of her can’t figure this out. So is she saying most of these countries are keto? Is she keto and is that why she does keto. Or is it carnivore that she’s seen is these countries and is that what she does

[@cherieblickhan6742]

I wish I could read what she says, sometimes it's hard to understand exactly what she says!0

[@ibolyamolnar3211]

Liver for vitamin B-s?

[@LL-wc4wn]

I think you owe it to millions of me/cfs patients who have done all the stuff you mentioned and remain bedbound and cannot live their lives... To mention that this doesnt work for everyone or how do you explain all the me/cfs patients that have done everything you say to do in your videos yet still have severe, disabling symptoms?

[@lululove6175]

This woman is a scam unless you are wealthy. People like her prey on the vulnerable that are very sick and giving advice that i can find anywhere for FREE

[@AnneAlready]

"I think you owe it". This comment really does answer itself. More than you realize at this point.

[@LL-wc4wn]

@@AnneAlready thats right youtubers capitalising on diseases for views at the very least need to mention that it doesnt work for everyone. So as not to trivialise and belittle the often lifelong suffering of people with the disease. "Just make these smoothies and youll be recovering". Go read the science and statistics on the disease. If changing diet meant recovering their would be no disease called me/cfs, everyone would have recovered by now.

[@2bg2soon1]

To much giggles

[@j0t324]

One person I know very well did strict keto for about 18 months, then carnivore for 6 months and ended up with a ruptured appendix and literally nearly died in hospital from septic shock. Several of us believe it was due to chronic lack of fibre.

[@Crowmother13]

The first time I had diverticulitis was after years of high fiber. Now, every time I ingest fiber, I have a flair. Last two times, I was hospitalized and received iv antibiotics. I was septic.

[@lizarosa156]

Plant based predominantly is best. Japanese dont eat much but small servings. They don’t farm animals for food or rarely eat animals except fish.

[@enerjeffic]

Thanks for all you do for us, Raelan. But, this is confusing. I remember in another video, you talking about using a WFPB diet in your early/initial?(IIRC) journey towards healing. I am a firm believer in that approach. It hasn't healed my ME/CFS, but it has rescued me from the brink of diabetes, which is on both sides of my ancestry, helped me lose 60 lbs., made my cholesterol great, etc. I have done enough nutrition research that I think diets like keto, carnivore, etc. are definitely long term stupid WRT heart disease, cancer, diabetes, overall life expectancy, etc. and would never do them. I appreciate you trying to give people multiple options to approach healing, but sorry I think this video will lead to more harm than help IMHO

[@bihh2812]

Perfect comment! Felt the same watching that. And learned enough nutrition in my higher education to understand the danger of what she's saying there...

[@PeaceIsYeshua]

We’ve been lied to about diet. Mary says she used to offer a WFPB option to her patients but she stopped because she _never_ saw it heal anyone. Please be open-minded. ❤ I was WFPB for over 10 years and thought just like y’all did. I’m now mostly carnivore and finally seeing some changes.

[@lenavoyles526]

If you really want the deep dive on the health of carnivore and keto diets, look up Harry Serpanos here on YT. He goes over the data in immaculate detail. He suffered from heart disease in his early 40s, so I guess he was highly motivated to get to the bottom of it all.

[@lululove6175]

Yea, for $6000 you get her protocol of bone broth nd her hacks that everybody knows. Rip off