Ranking the TOP 10 Main Tank Players of ALL TIME - Plat Chat Top 10

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0:00 - Intro
2:46 - Rank 10
6:01 - Rank 9
10:15 - Rank 8
15:14 - Rank 7
18:39 - Rank 6
23:17 - Rank 5
28:45 - Rank 4
34:45 - Rank 3
40:39 - Rank 2
51:42 - Rank 1
59:18 - Overall Rankings Discussion

[@austinfigueroa4851]

I can’t believe Avast has the worst recency bias takes for these lists. Belittling Guxue’s career and pretending he was a Winston 1 trick is pretty much the only way you don’t have him in the top 10 and he should be ahead of Gaga.

[@NaruBrilu]

Agreed, he def has one of the worst recency bias. Especially considering its a top 10 of all time kinda lists. But its kinda similar to mvp lists. Like each person is gonna rate things higher or lower depending on what they consider to be better factors etc

[@certifiedbttm4003]

Never ever did it say it was an all time list of greatness. Avast from the start said he like to rank his players more like a “best of all time” list. Which indeed would put Gaga above Guxue because Gaga is just more skilled, flexibility and performed on a way higher level. It’s not recency bias. The whole point of this series is that everyone interpreted the idea of this top 10 differently. How are you so dense?

[@RM-56]

@@certifiedbttm4003 Yes and that way of ranking is not only redundant but not nearly as interesting.

[@certifiedbttm4003]

@@RM-56 that’s your opinion. I care more about actual skill, actual level of play than I care about who has more trophies which is mainly team based and who dominated the overwatch league when the level of play was so much lower it’s actually incomparable to nowadays.

[@robertrynard7397]

@@certifiedbttm4003 lmao

[@zoey.steelimus]

Sideshow's reactions to bad takes are some of my favorite things on this planet.

[@federalinvestigation9962]

earth is not a planet

[@jonwicked7031]

@@federalinvestigation9962 the ability to speak does not make you intelligent

[@federalinvestigation9962]

@@jonwicked7031 the ability to listen to people who control you is insane. Stop listening to the liar elites

[@boaurora]

how can you not love sideshow, he's like a reverse Bob Ross, god bless the egg

[@savvyburritos]

in egg we trust

[@senior.toucan6370]

Peg the egg

[@scottwyman9888]

I loved sideshow until he said anyone who had fate top 3 was off the goop, egg fail me

[@senior.toucan6370]

@@scottwyman9888eh not really. Before 2021 no one would even put him in there top 8. The recency bias is hardcore in here

[@LasertechStudios3142]

"Fearless cost them a season because he couldn't play ball" Bruh he gave them a season in the first place to lose. This is one of the rare case where I think Reinforce is off the goop.

[@isaacbrooks2782]

I agree completely with Sideshow, going into this I was ready for some hot takes but man, Sideshow was just talking sense the whole time.

[@billyedgar5292]

Facts I agree with Sideshow, people always say how flexible fate is but he has quite a poor rein and in 2021 an average winston as people have caught up to him over time, and withonly 1 elite year on ball I had him in sixth

[@King-yyy]

@@billyedgar5292 yeah fr tho. I remember how SHOCKED people were when fate played a "decent" rein in the 2018 WC because he was so poor on him previously.

[@isaacbrooks2782]

@Jmt1000 fair point and that's what I like about plat chat too, always multiple opinions all valid (though ofc I'm biased towards who agrees with me😂)

[@adanmaqbool6473]

@Jmt1000 fate better than Smurf 😦😦 recency bias at its finest

[@adanmaqbool6473]

@Jmt1000 and I quote “To make it clear, I DO think Smurf is a fantastic player, not better than Fate though.”

[@zoey.steelimus]

I can't wait for Smurf versus Super this upcoming season. Hypest rivalry of the year, calling it now.

[@edelgard4486]

They’ll only have a very select few changes to play since Smurf is in APAC

[@robertrynard7397]

Welp I hope you can actually indeed wait unfortunately :/

[@Norman34O1]

This didn’t age well:/

[@trucywrightREAL]

how do we tell him?

[@_mtomm2689]

I’m dreaming of what could have been

[@xkxxxx]

Bren can only name 13 main tanks in the league.

[@shirotheshiro1098]

To be honest, I'm just happy that Bumper got 11th by 1 point. As a rein otp, he was my favourite rein to watch.

[@TheHardstyleMusicz]

He was mine too. I recently channeled my inner Bumper in a goats tournament last week. :'(

[@CouleeCosmonaut]

I feel like Gamsu should have been top 10 BECUASE of his consistency as a tank player across all tanks. That was probably what shocked me the most about this list.

[@MLin87]

He elevated middle of the road teams to contenders status. S1 Boston, S2 Shanghai, even his time in Dallas he was keeping an otherwise failing team together. It's hard to shine as a main tank without an elite team around you but Gamsu seemed to drag every team he played with up past their weightclass. Super reliable, never tilting, self sacrificing, I'm glad he was at least mentioned.

[@seanmertens2532]

I think it's ridiculous to diminish a tanks performance because they were pocketed by incredible players (reinforce talking about Miro and ryujheung, Bumper and Twilight). EVERY tank on this list had an amazing backline. You simply can't shine on main tank without good support. That's part of why these lists are dominated by Shanghai and Shock because every player on the team helped elevate each individuals performance.

[@A2daM2daZ]

except in the case of Mano lol. as a perpetually disappointed NYXL fan I was crying for the healers to pocket Mano instead of JJonak, esp during GOATS meta. I'm certain it would've taken them farther than they got. he was cursed by bad supports, or rather, bad heal-prioritzation, in his career.

[@CrazeeAdam]

Well I'd argue Fate didn't have a great back line on Florida. Like Kris is not the best main support but he did up his game. Ganginjin of course is great. But with Kris I'd say it was a "decent" back line back then. And I'd argue the same with a few others. Where maybe they'd have 1 great support and 1 just like "okay" support. Which may be why some never achieved championship aspirations compared to the ones who did.

[@rusty4265]

Fearless was mega-pocketed by Fuel this year. He was an MVP candidate but he got ALL of the fuel's resources.

[@RooKangaRoo]

I’d say a support line is only as good as the tank line. Tanks in the metal ranks don’t need good DPS to win games; just supports willing to enable them. Not to mention Supports have some of the best kits in the game(Namely Ana, Bap, and Brig).

[@annchovie8748]

Bro bumper was carried tho

[@julienorsomething]

43:11 I completely agree with Sideshow here, the recency bias feels so strong with these lists.

[@petrnovak4846]

Its acually funny Its Reinforce WHO defends 2 place. He Is thé one normally thinking about thé old players

[@Morphjin47]

I've backed the recency bias in previous lists but the fact Fearless and Fate get on the list for being one of the best in their time but Bumper does not is ridiculous. Bumper was the 2nd best main tank during goats. Arguably one of the toughest Metas to be a MT in.

[@hisokamorow1816]

@@Morphjin47 bumper played one season Not the same

[@CrazeeAdam]

I'd say with some of them. But Fate does deserve a high ranking. 3/4 years he has been great to just amazing. 2018, 2020 and 2021 he was well well above average. Plus he's one of the only main tanks to play on 3 teams, with multiple different staff and coaches, and different teammates. And he's stayed great on all of them. Anywhere he's gone he's lead teams to success of some sort at least. I'm not sure any other main tank has done that on 3 different OWL teams. Fissure is the closest. But his last season was so short. Also look at Side Shows list. He had Gesture over Fate. Which is not right by the eye test on any season outside of maybe 2018. And fate was damn good in 2018 too

[@jortmanshanden6722]

@@Morphjin47 bumper was not flexible and didn't do well outside of goats

[@benchesworth7750]

I wanna be fair and say that the top 4 MTs are just about the hardest to differenciate because they all have such noteworthy accolades. Do you rate higher Fate's ability to play at a high level from S1 to S4, playing the best tank in the final season? Do you appreciate Fearless' amazing carries in S3 and S4 as a solo main tank? Super or Smurf for the incredible double championship, being arguably the best players on their specialised roles, whilst also having a deep hero pool? Either way, really difficult list. I don't think you can be too upset by any of these 4 being number one. Apart from the fact that Super's ego just grew 10x bigger... somehow.

[@Siks7Ate9]

Fact that gaga makes the list above ameng thought I find criminal, ameng was sooo good on ball

[@benchesworth7750]

@@Siks7Ate9 Call me a glue huffer but I have to agree. Like... Amengs ball has looked very silly at many times, but the man has honestly made a pretty big impact on OWL, being the 'best' ball for 2 years, forcing it in ridiculous scenarios. In 2020 Chengdu honestly didn't look bad for quite a few parts of the season. I think it's a meme pick slightly, but one I want to indulge.

[@Siks7Ate9]

@@benchesworth7750 yeah it looked silly, except they forced map 5's so often and close games so often running none meta stuff for so long, everyone knew what to expect, but couldn't shut it down entirely. Chengdu games I found 1 of the most enjoyable to watch because I found it so impressive how they setup and execute dives, force positioning. If you analysed what they did with ameng on ball it's even more impressive

[@A2daM2daZ]

@@benchesworth7750 i agree. i wanted to give it ameng for having a longer tenure in OWL overall, and for the ridiculous moments he was able to swap to Rein and pound. it may have been a "fluke" at the time. but i also think he was apart of generating the momentum Chengdu needed to succeed with Gaga. imagine it had been the other way around, with Ameng coming in to play the 2021 season fresh out of contenders. I think they would have performed just as well (call me crazy)

[@CrazeeAdam]

I think it's hard for Super and Smurf in general because they split time between each other, and Smurf didn't play often in one of the championship years. I think it's easier to argue Fate because not only was he really successful, he was really successful with 3 different teams, meaning everywhere he went he brought success with him regardless of the player and coaching differences.

[@donny8091]

I agree fearless kinda held back Dallas with his ball play mid-season but how is that not an argument for like every other main tank on the list then besides fate and Chengdu. People forget he was also the main carry on both of the incredible May Melee runs he's had.

[@dry009]

Not one mention of coming off the bench to reverse sweep Seoul in a Bo7! Legend

[@thelifeofapuma]

his ball play was just good wtf are y'all smoking

[@CrazeeAdam]

His ball was still good. But it wasn't Fate level. You know? I think all they think about is "oh Fate diff'd him" YEAH NO SHIT. Fate was the best Ball in the world. No one beating him

[@bearindawoods]

I’m happy to see gamsu mentioned. Not only with Shanghai but with Boston he and striker were the dives kings before the rest of the league figured out dive too.

[@samh8641]

I think one thing we also don’t look as much as is leadership. Shock players said that in that second final that super was the big uplift in mood and gave them a boost to win that 2nd chip

[@ManateeCannon]

this list definitely has fewer mega hot takes than the last few. must be saving their energy for the 20 dps lists coming up

[@thefootballpunnedit]

If Profit isn't 1 its a joke list that needs burning

[@senior.toucan6370]

@@thefootballpunnedit fleta over profit any day for goat dps. Fight me

[@redknight100]

@@senior.toucan6370 100% forever and always

[@gamm8939]

@@senior.toucan6370 dude wtf are you smoking and can I have some?

[@JIP214]

How is Avast going to say guxue had didn't impress him in 2019 when he was a MVP candidate that season?

[@daviddiett2168]

Before watching this I had: 1 - Fate, 2 - Super, 3 - Fearless After hearing some of the arguments Sideshow made about Fate I can see why having him at 1 might not be justified, he and Shanghai had the Hammond strategies down this year with not much competition once they realised that Dallas couldn't match them in that regard and their Winston comp was just worse against them. Apart from that I don't remember much of Fate except the fact he was there either doing okay or had people doubting him. And I forgot about Smurf being so damn good becuase when you think of SF Shock, you instantly think of Super, his marketability as a player, his vocal, egotistical personality/persona and how he was considered the bigger deal as a main tank while Smurf was quietly the more well rounded tank player in terms of flexibility. After reevaluating, Smurf should've come in Number 2 or 3 along with Fate honestly. It's weird how you can quantify the main tank role, you can be the absolute carry but without a strong team behind you to follow into the abyss and support you as best as they can you could be an absolute feeder and the Shanghai Dragons this year as a team were elite, arguably the best OW1 team of all time. But Shock won the damn thing twice with an elite squad as well and I think after so long of other teams improving, the game itself changing and the Shock losing their talent I don't think either tank could've clutched a third title this year given the competition they were up against. Do you rate the accomplishments on the back of a god squad or the flexibility of the player to be able to adapt to any situation and support your team by doing so?

[@hugoduzit]

They literally said that Super was more flexible than Smurf?

[@daviddiett2168]

@@hugoduzit I don't think they did, what I mean is Super is more recognisable to most players and is known for his personality in the league as well as his Rein, Hog and even Genji plays. In comparison Smurf never stood out as a personality compared to Super despite being able to play the tank heroes that Super wasn't at all familiar with. From what I remember when Super was in you'd expect the team to follow his lead and play more aggressively with his Rein while having Smurf allowed them to hang back and rely on things like his Orisa and Winston to play the match a bit more strategically. Super is considered the face of the SFShock and even the OWL for a reason.

[@video_game_royal4797]

I love how we collectively agree Fearless's first stint with the Dragon's don't exist

[@templarexemplar35]

43:35 based sideshow. I agree, everyone over hypes fate just because he one tricked ball for ONE season. Literally nobody was talking about him seriously before this last season

[@qweqwe1324]

100% true. Recency Bias by other 3.

[@williammullerwilmann3140]

Could you do a top 20 for dps since you did a top 10 for both off- and main tanks. Just feel like so many good players are gonna miss out if you only do top 10 with dps.

[@parker_8237]

They’d probably do a top 10 hitscan/tracer players maybe, and then a top 10 flex/projectile players, but that’s also hard to classify with players like striker. But yeah maybe a top 20 is a better way to do it

[@warfordjokes]

Was really glad to see Fissure. I'd have him on my list but I didn't think he was gonna make Plat Chat top 10. You love to see it.

[@dogs-game-too]

agreed

[@Reydioactive]

sideshow been consistently goated this whole ranking series bruh

[@Flunksqk]

Fate's impact on Florida Mayhem is visible by how much worse they performed after he left.

[@NoName-gw4kp]

i disagree, they got 3rd in the May Melee. OGE, who isnt even on the list, obviously hurt his team later on due to whatever reason. Fate lost the dragons the may melee. I don’t think there’s any other valid reason. I strongly believe that if Fate had stayed on the team, they wouldn’t have qualified because his winston is subpar. There’s times when he literally loses his team the fight solely due to his mechanics. He just can’t get away with the same stuff that Smurf, Fearless, and others can.

[@CrazeeAdam]

@@NoName-gw4kp but they still got 2nd in May Melee this year. And you could say Fearless lost the June Joust because his mechanics couldn't keep up with Fate on Ball. Like you can make that argument over and over again, making that particular argument invalid almost. No main tank is ever going to be mechanically great at every tank, and if they are then they're a god.

[@servantjon]

Matt's list was the best thing about this episode.

[@loadding3160]

Lol Sideshow is much more studious than I would have expected. His picks were reasonable and concise when compared the other picks. Thanks Josh.

[@koxahh9]

Somebody check Platchat’s credit card transaction because I think a huge sum came from MR MATTHEW DELISI

[@horsemindinghisowndamnbusi7719]

Avast had a total of 7 facial features throughout the entirety of the show

[@kabukitanuki_2256]

Avast consistently has the worst takes. Fearless holding the fuel back with his ball play should equate to fate holding the dragons back on Winston and rein.

[@CassCat69]

i dont think its that fearless cant play ball but that dallas had put all their eggs in the winston and rein basket. when it came to the latter half of the season and teams started to discover how strong ball was, dallas took too long to adapt

[@BrofUJu]

Yeah, I wish they had mentioned that Dallas as a team wasn't super flexible, partly cause of lack of hitscan and a great Tracer. So it made Fearless look even worse.

[@robertrynard7397]

That was such a bad take it hurt my brain

[@angelholman5601]

This may sound like SFS copium but I feel like people just gloss over the 2021 season as a flop for them ( I do realize it was definitely underwhelming all the way around for a variety of reasons ) when in actuality they had the best regular season record as well as getting fourth in the playoffs. Although I do agree fate was extremely necessary for the dragons dominance towards the end of the year, I think it's a bit of a stretch to put him over super in a top ten overall MT in OV1 ( referencing some of the comments I see ). Aside from the back2back championships which he was relatively influential in, he was also a big reason why the shock made it so far and did so well this past season. Great mechanics, game sense, flexibility, and leadership over the majority of the years this league has been a thing. Sounds pretty goatworthy to me. Definitely open for counterarguments though so feel free lmao.

[@billyedgar5292]

My top 10: 1. Super 2. Fearless (lets go Matt, put him here cos he has best ever peak on MT) 3. Mano 4. Smurf 5. Gesture 6. Fate 7. Guxue 8. Fissure 9. Sado 10. Gator

[@omegallama2]

mano above smurf just feels wrong. Smurf had a better winston in 2020, better orisa in 2019, and he's won back-to-back.

[@billyedgar5292]

@@omegallama2 mostly put Mano ahead of smurf cos he didn’t play at all in goats and Mano had a top 3 rein during goats

[@juliencamus3523]

SInce you put yours in the comment i'm gonna follow with mine : 1. Smurf 2. Fearless 3. Super 4. Fate 5. Gesture 6. Mano 7.Sado 8. Guxue 9. Gamsu 10. Bumper

[@benwalker1975]

Sideshow spitting so much facts, the other 3 pissed me off this episode

[@jasonmartin7968]

good on josh for keeping it real with fate. just watch plat chat 61 and watch their reaction to shanghai picking up fate; they were so meh on his 2020 and prior performances! talk about recency bias johnny

[@NaruBrilu]

I agree with sideshow. Fate in top 3 is kinda too high imo. He's only had 1 year where you could argue he's been the best main tank

[@GeorgeN678]

how the flying f is Fate so high and Mano so low ...

[@htfcm]

I enjoyed the passion in this top 10.

[@longislandlegoboy]

Mano at 6? Are they mad? Mano below super?? Mano below fucking gesture? HOLY SHIT SMURF AT 4??? My god super at 1?

[@Vidyalog]

If you take everything as popularity contest over real "best of all time" then it makes sense in not sane mind Mano and Smurft are below Super and Faten in terms of quality as a player, but I can see the point of being a leader, captain, face, influencial, charismatic and impactful in your team and in the league during certain amount of time, and well...Super makes sense in that regard, but in terms of side by side comparison, no way he is the best.

[@ffionjames7350]

Mano should have been higher. Top 3 or 4 at least

[@thefootballpunnedit]

1 Fearless feels a safe bet... Smurf 2nd... interested to see where Fate comes he had a pog season but he was just good never great before joining the best roster.

[@nohomolads]

I have Fate number 1, he was great in S1 and S3 as well only being bad in S2

[@thanishdavipaul2876]

fearless is recency bias

[@CrazyKitKat]

@@thanishdavipaul2876 True

[@Nova-wz4dz]

@@thanishdavipaul2876 He had 2 years of being so much better than any other main tank that it wasn't even a competition?

[@jacksonmarchant2898]

@Jmt1000 I would say fearless wasn’t the absolute best in season three, I would say Smurf super were both better at their respective hero’s compared to him.

[@smokeythebear201]

Gator is really good and was the mind that created Goats. I think he should make the top 10 at the back end.

[@Thomas_Eraly]

Imma simp more for Custa but I don't think Fate was the reason for the valiant placing second in the first season they weren't top 3 in stage 1 and 2 (winrate) and after Custa joined they ended up winning a stage. Maybe it was because Unkoe left but looking at his rise in stage 4 (defeating valiant) i don't think he was the problem

[@WhiteKnight2996]

Somebody: plays wrecking ball well Plat chat: THEY'RE SO DIVERSE AND ADAPTABLE

[@meatscraps]

I'm actually fucking malding over Avast and Reinforce's smooth brained Fearless Takes

[@PabloRodriguez-um5ht]

Facts

[@eckroattheeckroat4246]

Fragi obviously isn't a top 15 main tank, but I think it s really unfair that he's laughed about. He was a Rein specialist unexpectedly thrust onto Winston after Sado's suspension. And while his 2018 stage 1 was truly just awful, seriously, he did get much MUCH better with time. Stage 2 was already a big leap forward; Philly managed to go 7-3. And by stage 3 he still wasn't a top Winston in the league, but he was definitely serviceable in the role. I feel like he's remembered exclusively for his first stage, new to the league, on a new hero; its unfair.

[@gamm8939]

When you guys did World Cup last year, no one even mentioned Fate ONCE. And now he is second? Huge recency bias

[@seanmertens2532]

Super at #1 isn't surprising, but I think we have to acknowledge our western personality bias. Super is incredibly talented but he is undoubtedly most known as a personality within the scene. Saying he's more flexible than fearless just doesn't make sense unless you're already biased towards Super, talking about his "leadership" and "team defining personality". Supers Winston, orisa, and ball are all just slightly above average but we overlook that because hE'S a LeAdEr. I'd probably put him at #1.

[@enjoidavid]

We also can’t underestimate him because he’s a streamer, people like him and Surefour get memed on but are actually fucking great

[@misterdire7523]

I get the argument but I think you're underselling his Orisa, he was fantastic this last season

[@seanmertens2532]

@@enjoidavid You're right. It can absolutely go both ways. I think that's why people so often forget that XQC was actually fucking nutty, cause he's just a nut

[@seanmertens2532]

@@misterdire7523 when I think of top tier orisa's I think of Smurf, Fate, Gator. Muze last year was a god tier Orisa. But, I get what you're saying. I wrote off Shock for most of last season so I'm probably underestimating Supers individual performance.

[@Noah-od1de]

1. Smurf 2. Super 3. Mano 4. Fate 5. Fearless 6. Fissure 7. Gesture 8. Guxue 9. Sado 10. Bumper lol

[@rowancampbell4844]

The real top ten is just Xepher for the top 9 and Jaehong

[@awesominator3591]

It's a very difficult list because of how central yet unique role main tank is, but I agree with much of it. If I were to give my own ranking I think it would be this: 10 - Ga9a/Miro: I'm not much into the lore of APAC contenders, but I'm willing to accept the fact that Ga9a was crucial in reinventing the scene, and working as a much needed upgrade for Chengdu's core. However, since his career was so tail-end of OW1, you could make the same argument for Miro being here, even though his career was very front-end. Miro in his prime was incredible, and back-to-back Apex wins is no small feat keeping in mind it was considered at the time to be the OWL before the OWL. Of course, his incredible fall off going into the actual OWL is what puts him this low. 9 - Guxue: I remember when the Primal Blade meme first came out, and I've got to admit, no one else's Winston was getting me as hype as his (in a time before Fearless' prime). Props for him working in such difficult conditions, but I don't think he has the hero pool to compete with some of the other people on here. 8 - Fissure: Fissure is in a very similar situation for me with Guxue, working in difficult conditions(though maybe he did that to himself a bit) and having super flashy plays, I just think his hero pool is better than Guxue's. Wish we got to see more of him. 7 - Sado: Sado in his prime is incredible to watch, and he does have a great hero pool, including what I believe to be one of the better Orisa's of the tanks on this list. Of course, he's lower because of his sloppy 2019, but he still has some great plays to his name. I also think he was one of the better parts of 2021 Defiant, along with Heesu. 6 - Gesture: The top 6 on this list are so hard to rank, but the reason Gesture is this low is that even in his prime, his teams have been inconsistent, and his own consistency shifts around a lot as well. Even still, Gesture has a great hero pool, 2 championships (counting Apex here) and a runner-up. Great all around player. 5 - Fearless: OK HEAR ME OUT. I myself am a Dallas Fuel fan. I am so proud of what Fearless was able to do this past season, and for his amazing comeback going back to last season. He is the best Winston in the world, no question. His Reinhardt is also incredible. But the fact is, his career has been very tail-end as well. We still have much more to see from him hopefully, but as a fuel fan I was hoping he could get us a little farther than just 1 Hawaii victory. He's amazing, but a very condensed example of amazing compared to the longer careers some of the others on this list have had. 4 - Fate: I think much of plat chat had a longevity bias with Fate, being that he was such an OG, but I have to agree with Sideshow here unfortunately. I was so proud of Fate for making the comeback that he did, having the best wrecking ball in the world and spearheading Shanghai's dominance, but that's really the only standout performance he's had. He had early success with Valiant and Immortals, but never incredible success. He is consistent, but not consistently great. I hope we get to see more dominance from him in the future, because he is a very gifted player, but definitely not top 1 caliber. 3 - Smurf: I love Smurf so much, and he's an incredible player. He's the second best Winston in the world, has a great Orisa and Ball, and an underrated Reinhardt to be honest, it's just that super is so much better. He has always been a big part of Shock's success, and I remember being stunned at his performance against Dallas after they had just come off their May Melee victory. The only reason he's under the other top 2 is because of playtime. 2 - Mano: Of all the people who were done dirty by this list, Mano was done the dirtiest. He's another OG that has arguably been more consistently good than Fate, even if his team never got incredible results. I don't think Mano has a bad hero, which is why you never here anyone talking about him being more of a Reinhardt player vs. Winston player. He's just good at everything. He's been on some teams with some bad stretches, but I don't think he was ever a major contributor to that. Even in recent years, he's still been performing very well. I hope we get to see even more of him after his military service. 1 - super: super is such an enigma. As the face of the OWL, you'd think a lot of his praise comes from overhyping from the fans, or that his results are just from him being carried by better players on his team, but no. For as much of a meme he is, he is simply that good. The best Reinhardt in the world, with a great Orisa, Ball, Winston, and Hog. An OG Overwatch player. Consistency. Everything I have talked about and attributed to individuals on this list, super has all of them. The most main tank player to ever main tank. Just remember no caps when you spell the man name.

[@LLJW-je4js]

Real good list I agree on many points

[@LLJW-je4js]

Just would ve put fate higher up

[@tymunster]

GUXUE AT EIGHT IS FUCKING VILLAINOUS HE DEFINED THE WORLD CUP AND HE WAS A TOP 5 MAIN TANK FOR 2 YEARS AND THEN HIS TEAM WAS ABSOLUTE DOGSHIT AND HE WAS STILL TOP 8 HES ONE OF THE ONLY PLAYERS WITH SOMETHING NAMED AFTER HIM EIGHTH IS VILE YOU ABSOLUTE BABOONS THIS IS HURTING MY FUCKING BRAIN MY HEART IS MELTING AND I AM DYING INSIDE

[@FaithfulFrets]

Lol

[@octag0nist]

cant wait to see how dirty everyone has done my beloved boy bumper, and his dominant season 2 performance

[@vavo6909]

This is all time, not just for one season

[@vavo6909]

@@mrpandamania Yep. The only way Bumper could do what he could is BECAUSE he was pocketed to make it work

[@MillerMakes]

And then his complete lack of playtime in any other season and also getting benched for TiZi in the grand finals in S2

[@yankumara_5989]

Also Chadmate

[@octag0nist]

@@vavo6909 Listen I understand that he wouldn't get anywhere higher then 10th if we were lucky because of this and idk if I'm even advocating for a top 10 placement. But. But. Soooo often people spread the narrative that Bumper was somehow bad, or a feeder, or only succeeded because he was pocketed and I think that people are just straight up Way Too Unfair to him and his legacy.

[@MrNassimfortmrw]

Mano got FUCKING ROBBED

[@byron4335]

gosh this podcast is so silly i love it!

[@Dontreadthis0]

i hope we get a top 10 overwatch memes of all time list

[@nathanchoi302]

This list is stacked Mano, Smurf, Fate, Fearless and super all sound weird not being in top 3

[@mauriziodelisi]

I approve of this list!

[@zachdavies7816]

Here is the thing with the Shock. They have had a guy in contention for best at every position. Probably will for DPS as well. At some point the question has to be asked, who were the drivers and who were the passengers.

[@mrcookedbacon324]

They won two championships, at that point were there any drivers at all or were they just the best all round team?

[@silverose9238]

i hate being one of those commenters getting overly mad at specific things, but i genuinely hate when their argument for having someone low is "im not saying hes bad, hes still top 10" or "hey, i still have him top 10 ALL TIME, thats REALLY good". Thats the whole point of this list, if theyre being brought up then theyre obviously incredible. When it comes to these lists its always about the little things, so yes, putting someone 6 when theyre clearly top 3 is a big thing. And it feels like half the guys love ignoring accolades of certain players (all of the shock) but talk about people like Fearless not winning a stage title when he individually dominated for multiple years

[@Baked-as-Bread]

fate at #2 is insane. especially over smurf and fearless

[@Filiral]

At 36 years old I know where I likely fall on a bell curve of plat chat viewers. But Avast has at least one word per week that has me feeling considerably older and out of touch with young people than I probably am.

[@StarBrlight]

i actually fully agree with sideshow on this episode

[@jacobluciano8657]

Saying Dallas struggled for HALF the season because of Fearless’s Ball is disingenuous. They struggled in the Summer Sjowdown tournament (after getting a 4-0 stage to get there), and then they sandbagged. Come playoffs, however, Fearless had a great Wrecking Ball. Revisionism is great people.

[@sammccutcheon8553]

Also that ball comp was a pretty new comp, only Shanghai and Chengdu played the ball, tracer, Sombra comp and Chengdu weren't that good at it(they were good at ball pharaoh poke comp). Basically every time they tried to play it in the playoffs were new to the comp and many still didn't try to play. Ball hadn't been a serious hero really until this season when SHD made it good(minus some triple DPS stuff and Shock on control maps last year in playoffs). Fearless' lack of Orisa is a reasonable take though, not being able too or choosing to play a hero like that hurts.

[@davidtaylor9538]

Let's also not forget that dallas beat shanghai once in that same tournament before wrecking ball was even busted out. They went 1-1 against each other in that tournament.

[@ellaser93]

Playoffs? Remind me again how Fearless' Wrecking Ball looked against Shanghai in the playoffs. How did that series go again? Oh, and how did Fearless perform against Atlanta in the playoffs? Yeah, Revisionism is certainly great!

[@davidtaylor9538]

@@ellaser93 I think you're being the revisionist. Remember how Dallas made it to the winners finals? Yeah they lost to atlanta after that, but do you remember how dallas beat atlanta for the entirety of the 2021 season up to that point? Also dallas went 3-1 against shanghai over the first 3 tournaments, and including the final playoffs puts them at 3-2 over the course of the year. Dallas beat the champions more times than they lost. Of course that doesn't matter, final result is shanghai was better, but dude, fearless and dallas were great for more than half the season while playing with less than a full deck (no hitscan).

[@ellaser93]

@@davidtaylor9538 First and foremost hitscan didn't really matter in the 2021 season. So any argument about Dallas not having a "full deck" because they didn't have a hitscan player is just being dishonest, and it says more about Doha and Sparkle, (and probably Fielder) than it does about Fearless. Also, I am talking strictly about the Playoffs because the OP BROUGHT IT UP! Fearless' Wrecking Ball during the Playoffs was Serviceable, maybe even Good, but it when it actually mattered, it certainly wasn't Great. My argument is ONLY about the Playoffs (where hitscan didn't effing matter,) not the Regular Season. So please read my posts properly and STAY THE EFF ON TOPIC!

[@ArcasCorricol]

seeing fissure has made my day, love that guy

[@gayberniesanders]

the sado segment could just be summed up with sado is marketable

[@TheFanboySlayer]

My top 10: 1. Mano 2. Super 3. Smurf 4. Fate 5. Gesture 6. Fearless 7. Gator 8. Sado 9. Fissure 10. Guxue Edit: to continue 11. Bumper 12. Guxue 13. Ameng 14. Miro 15. Janus

[@drewmayes1652]

Fearless rein gets underrated so much, pretty sure he diffed every rein he played including super

[@TwisTxInsanE]

He hit a large shatter on shock in one of the first weeks in 2021 but mei stun and team overagression contributed to that not pure rein mechanics, he's great but supers deffo the goat for Rein

[@CrazeeAdam]

I would say in 2021 he didn't play enough Rein to know. In 2020 yeah. Probably. Hard to say, would have to go back and watch more matches tbh

[@orilavi3506]

Do the iceberg please please

[@PleebsOG]

Let’s be honest, the amount of off the goop was OFF THE CHARTS on these lists. 🤣

[@TheGamingHutt]

The lack of bumper on the cumulative list has me upset

[@kappaccino4447]

I like to think Matt was just playing Hearthstone while everyone else was malding over Fate for ten minutes

[@anthonyreis3533]

This is good content. But I miss the updates on transfers and stuff in OWL & OW. Unless nothing is happening lol

[@sohkya27]

next week on platchat: ESCA in top 10

[@tobywinarto9479]

If you guys are doing all DPS for next week maybe do top 15 instead of just top 10?

[@aidenlanse5916]

1. Fate 2.Fearless 3.Smurf 4.Mano 5.Super 6.Gesture

[@francosun2358]

>Not including ryujehong on flex support list for behaviour unreleated to his proffesional carrier. >including booster (criminal offence in Korea btw) on main tank list Plat Chat and their morals.

[@elie_pink]

If Taimou isn’t #1 I’m malding

[@Fxybien]

If I were to rate off of sheer dominance Fearless is my clear #1. Especially with Fielder supporting him

[@robertrynard7397]

I was livid when they started saying that fearless threw away their season because he wasn’t some how just immediately better at ball than fate!

[@connordurham6827]

There are small things I’d change but this is not an unreasonable list

[@willring1002]

I love fearless but at the end of the day he was on the 0-40 dragons

[@spailer5478]

having both Fate AND Fearless over Smurf is crazy

[@calebbustin8894]

The DPS list should be a top 20 since they can’t split the role

[@sugarkrisp5199]

my top ten: 1. super 2. fate 3. smurf 4. fearless 5. mano 6. guxue 7. gesture 8. gator 9. sado 10. ameng i heavily consider context and wether or not you pioneered a character or were/still are the undeniable best at a charecter at one point. thats why for me guxue and ameng are higher.

[@senor135]

i havent followed super's play that much, and im not saying he's not a great player... but hasnt he basically almost only played rein? maybe his winston, orisa and ball are top-tier, but didnt they usually sub in smurf to play anything not rein? aside from hog i guess, for that brief patch, which i think can be kind of ignored because that meta kinda made things a crap shoot. if it was played for a couple months, then i think that would be a big enough sample size to see who had the best hog, really.

[@callmeconvay7977]

Dallas's (relatively) poor ball comp felt just as much on Fielder's zen as Fearless' ball. It wasn't bad. . .

[@danialturner6343]

And Sparkle’s tracer

[@callmeconvay7977]

@@danialturner6343 to some degree, but sparkle was playing a pretty good tracer the whole season, so it was at least good enough to be trusted during the season

[@andreww479]

Not a single vote for Marve1 feels wrong, I think its difficult to really place Marve1 with all of the off tank roles he has taken up but its worth noting that he was able to take a starting position over Fissure and has taken playtime over Gesture and both of them are in top 10, while being flexible with the Main tank role. at the very least he should have been listed somewhere even if it was 11-15th

[@3cnxl]

who?

[@trafridrod8706]

Overall I'd say a good list, but those who wanted Fate in first have some real regency bias. He is very good. Top 5 for sure but he's had one great season, and one good one, and his good year he played almost exclusively ball.

[@Daniel_Frise]

How did Roshan not make number 1? The greatest player in OWL. /s In all seriousness, I agree with these rankings on the whole. A few debatable spots, but not particularly controversial (at least compared to the previous rankings). Even if I don’t agree with the rank, I can at least respect the logic that went into ranking the players. I’m glad players like Gator, Miro, and Gamsu, while not cracking the top 10, still appeared in the later standings. Reiner honestly should have made at least top 20 for his Contenders career (looking forward to seeing him play in S5), which if it wasn’t for his age, he probably would have been signed in S4. And while Hadi and ChangSik were accomplished with British Hurricane and Fusion University, respectively, their OWL S4 performances left much to be desired. Honorable mention to Rio for solid performances in S2-3 with the Charge and for BenBest in S3 with the Eternal, as both took their teams to a tournament title.

[@thekingii5024]

inb4 at least 2 of these Super simps put Super as #1

[@longislandlegoboy]

No fucking way super got #1 overall

[@benrotko6411]

How can Super be #1 when he was benched for basically an entire season?

[@kaid1800]

NA bias

[@mortymcfly9721]

Can ATP be a guest for the 2022 power rankings

[@newsoupvialt]

Coming back to this some time later, I actually think that somehow, MattMrX had the best list, except for Mano above Smurf. My personal top 4 is Super > Fearless > Fate > Smurf. I will die on the Fearless > Fate hill btw, don't even try. Fate 6th is a bit silly tho, looking at you Mr. Egg

[@charlesdavidson7556]

43:23 in before sideshow puts lip in the top 5 dps players list

[@Fredtheevil]

I rate gesture think his consistency isnt always there but when hes at the top of his game is scary. Fearless lives up to his name can be the best monkey with team coordination as well as a rein ive criminally underrated looking back. If we said current best tank in ow i would say fate but its all time so generally not a bad list (apart from fate maybe being overrated since hes only come into his own one maybe two seasons).

[@landenthe70s]

Top ten overwatch matches of all time

[@faintjoey7016]

Top 2 Ball players video incoming

[@hisokamorow1816]

Fate also has a World Cup victory

[@joefair1137]

Mano number one due to consistent excellence over every seaosn

[@tymunster]

tbh you should do coaches before dps

[@aniketgupta3354]

I’m just glad no one forced Gator onto this list

[@pablor1990]

If super sees this his head will expand beyond natural levels. Also fate at #2 is hard recency bias. Smurf and fearless both better.