Razor Ground Force Go-Kart upgraded to 48v 1000w motor

[@hungryhungryhummer]

I just upgraded my crazy cart to 36v. It’s very fun. I see you guys have fun on that!

[@VAlien79]

what did you use to charge it after the upgrade...was gonna do the 48v but its for my 100lb son curious if i should try 36v since the 48v was pretty quick wven with grown men on it

[@sploofy4878]

@@VAlien79 how fast was it when adults got on? and what battery did u get

[@pchow1970]

Great job, I also did an upgrade to my Ground force to a 36V 850W setup, however I also add a reverse to mine so my son doesn't have to get out and turn the cart every time he is in a tight spot. Great job!

[@marcus.guitarist]

That's a great idea, i should do that for my kids.

[@javierleon9623]

BUENA IDEA, PUEDES MOSTRAR COMO HAS HECHO ESO? GRACIAS

[@davidaoki3494]

You can put the front rubber tires on the back drifter axle with some simple ingenuity. I also recommend taking the plastic seat out and replacing with a flat one from a folding chair to buy precious space for us adults. You cannot reuse the 24 volt power switch when switching to a 36 volt or 48 volt controller because the original switch limits voltage for some strange reason.

[@blainemitchell]

Looks like tons of fun!

[@tinniej]

That looks so fun.

[@MADMAX839]

YES!!! Guess what my kids are getting for Christmas?!!!

[@nomiman101]

Looks good. Thanks for the time stamp😁

[@Mike_Greene]

Also a suggestion for what to do after we've upgraded our karts is to use objects like workout cones and rope or balls of socks lol to create race or training courses and see who can do the fastest laps.

[@mateom7201]

Looks amazing, I’m gonna do the same thing with 48v 2000w

[@Tracks777]

Awesome! Keep it up!

[@armenvegas]

Very nice. Im having trouble hooking up the 6 wire throttle to a 48v 1800w brushless controller. Their wiring diagram is confusing. Can you helpe with that

[@zach_wolfe]

armenvegas Every throttle and controller wiring diagram will be different. For a throttle to work it only has to have 3 wires connected. The POSITIVE, NEGATIVE & the VARIABLE (usually the blue or green wire on the controller). The other wires are for battery power indicator lights.

[@armenvegas]

Zach Wolfe thanks. Turned out my hall effect sensor inside the throttle went bad. After replacing it... my Razor screams.

[@Mike_Greene]

Dang after watching your video again and seeing you drifting, I'm thinking of putting the wheels back on. But then I'll lose the chance at raising the frame, to ride on the lawn, with the bigger wheels

[@thingsdemystified]

Actually, just to be technical, Positraction refers to a limited-slip differential =) 3:45 Great job on the video! I just got a Ground Force Drifter with a fried motor, and I'm trying to decide what motor to get for it.

[@ricerintegra2660]

Content Updating get a gas engine on there, I put a Honda GX120 4 HP engine on mine, basically a weekend project with the right tools

[@Baldys_projects]

I made a jackshaft for mine and put a stihl 36cc weedeater engine on it its geared for torque it topped out at 9.5mph but im looking at running a taller ratio because its a 18:1 gear ratio im looking to get it around a 10:1 gear ratio and shoot for 15mph check it out on my channel !

[@vrhockeyscout9604]

48v 1800w. 20AH battery on mine. video coming in a day or two. im practicing riding it.

[@flynbyeya]

Good shit. I just bought a used ground force drifter for my daughter and the control module is bad. Perfect excuse for me to start moddin the hell out of it. Lol. How do you think 3, 18v Dewalt drill batteries wired in series would do? Dare I try?

[@zach_wolfe]

Boyer Dan your biggest issue with the drill batteries will be the lack of amp hours, which equates to a very short run time. The batteries I used were the 12v 12ah batteries. They make larger capacity batteries (higher ah) but the physical size of the battery increases and it's tough to put more batteries in the small rear end of the go kart. I actually started out modding an electric pocket bike by adding a couple of remote control car batteries to my setup. I found a setup called the +5 kit from eBay. It's where I learned to push more volts to the motor for more RPMs. Good luck in your modding!

[@Mike_Greene]

I went from the stock 36 on the drifter to ezip400 wheels with the disc brake and 60t(?) Sprocket and I can feel the 2-3 or so mph speed difference. But it's much more fun to be able to hit the throttle and take off fast! I'm using brushless controller w reverse. Using a throttle that has both an on of button that I use for/connected to reverse and a "3 speed" switch that connected to the controller. I just wanted to see if I could use the thumb throttle with 48v because the kart is so compact, it's uncomfortable using the for throttle. Especially when turning because for high speed turns, I have to extend my turn side leg. (And not is THAT a workout lol legs and an workout, also arms as holding on is also challenging.)

[@tomead]

What is the heaviest person that has ridden this? I have an 1800 watt 48-volt motor ordered.

[@zach_wolfe]

Thomas Mead We has a 300 lb rider. The motor will have more than enough power. It just comes down to the stress placed on the frame & axles which are rated at 150 lbs or so.

[@tomead]

Thanks! The is where I plan on going with it after a little "Dressing Up" is done to it. www.makerfaireorlando.com/power-racing/

[@sploofy4878]

mines has a belt instead of a chain? what do I do?

[@mateom7201]

I’m assume there is still some sort of sprocket on the old motor, put that on the new motor

[@shadowx8853]

What was the size of the rear axle?

[@MichaelGAMING99]

Were you able to reuse your stock chain? or need a long chain?

[@zach_wolfe]

MichaelPhung2012, I’m almost positive I was able to re-use the stock chain.

[@Drayton2k]

Did you replace the chain? My 48v motor won’t fit w/ the original chain

[@zach_wolfe]

I did not replace the chain. As mentioned in my parts list, you need to get a dual D-bore sprocket for a #25 chain (Ebay about $7). I used the original chain, but depending upon the motor mounts you made, you might have to get a longer one to make it fit your setup.

[@carsoncole2813]

Thanks

[@carsoncole2813]

Could you make a video of how to set up the battery's because I will totally buy one of these if I can hook it up to 36 volts

[@zach_wolfe]

Carson Cole do a search on KZbin for "batteries in series" and watch the top listed result. It's a good explanation and demonstration on how to use multiple 12v batteries to give you 24, 36 & 48 volts.

[@localrice5184]

So the drifter comes with 2 wheel drive without any modifications?

[@zach_wolfe]

David Facio Unless things have changed in the last few years, the drifter is 2-wheel drive with hard plastic wheels for drifting. The regular ground force is 1-wheel drive with harder rubber wheels for better traction.

[@skm9420]

Where did you get your motor?

[@brio481]

I have one but have problems with the bumps is there anything I can do to help

[@zach_wolfe]

Bri O If you are referring to the bumpy ride on asphalt or any surface that isn’t smooth, there is no solution to that. It’s the result of the hard rubber tires.

[@aleanufopilotftlcertified5663]

Maybe look for a different tire compound and size that's compatible with the rims. Softer will be smoother but probably too "sticky" to drift.

[@lbzhonest5984]

Wicked cool!

[@DerekIwasiuk]

would the dune buggy work for this? or is smaller? not sure

[@zach_wolfe]

Derek Iwasiuk I’m sure you would need some buggy modifications but don’t see why it couldn’t work. Assuming you get it, your top end speed would be substantially better than the Ground Force because the wheels are larger. Let me know if you go for it!

[@DerekIwasiuk]

@@zach_wolfe yeah i'll give it a go, just want to be able to rip down some dirt and gravel more so :). 1000w crazy kart would be fun too but no idea where the batteries would go

[@tbucsclw1]

@@DerekIwasiuk How did this turn out for you and what modifications did you make. I just picked up the dune buggy for 20 bucks and I'm trying to explore my options

[@kevlar1700]

my fad did the same thing but used a longer exhaust and it was a red go cart

[@thingsdemystified]

I've been looking at the 1000W motors on eBay, and they all use a T8F sprocket. Don't the Razor's use a #25 chain? Did you change the sprocket on the Razor to a T8F and use a T8F chain?

[@zach_wolfe]

The sprocket you need is listed in my description along with all the parts I bought.

[@zach_wolfe]

Just Enjoying Life I really don’t know. I haven’t researched beyond the 1000w motors. TNCSCOOTERS.COM has pretty good item descriptions with some tech specs if you want to try researching their website.

[@thingsdemystified]

I looked up the 1000W motor, and it looks like it has a 12mm shaft. The dual D sprocket looks like it's for a 10mm shaft. Do you know if your motor has a 12mm shaft? If it's 12mm, I need to find a different sprocket.

[@SelfMadeThousandaire]

Would there be an option to run tires that don't spin out?

[@zach_wolfe]

bimmerman1 I have not been able to find a "better" wheel solution. I suppose the stock rubber wheels that come on the Ground Force provide better traction but if you are a bigger rider, you run the risk of broken axles. If you swap axles with the Ground Force Drifter, you lose the free-spinning wheel and will have some turning issues cause by a 2-wheel drive system. I even looked into the larger rubber wheels from the Razor Dune Buggy but was told the axles for the dune buggy have a bigger diameter at the wheel connection point so that won't work either. If you (or anyone else) finds another wheel solution, I would love to hear about it.

[@tammykletecka4116]

Why didn’t you just use lithium power tool batteries? Just saying,

[@zach_wolfe]

Power tool batteries are extremely limited in size and therefore have low (amp hours / ah) which equals short run times. The batteries I used are 12v 12ah batteries. Most power tool batteries are 3ah or less regardless of volts.

[@stevencorbo1220]

How are you recharging it

[@zach_wolfe]

Steven Corbo Search eBay for a 48v 3 prong charger. The first listing is what you need. You can find them from different websites but they generally run about $40.

[@OPSNIPER01]

I have one of the newer models of the ground force drifters and I don’t know a way to add more batteries to it. If anybody knows a video that shows how to connect multiple of the 12 volts from the ground force drifter that would be a big help

[@elo1274]

9:51

[@jayyxoo]

COOL

[@skm9420]

eBay is the only place?

[@zach_wolfe]

Sean Mcclellan EBay is the cheapest place I've found to get the motor. It's available from other websites like tncscooters if you just don't want to use eBay, though.

[@Chumchum000]

@@zach_wolfe top speed?

[@VAlien79]

Im working on this now for my kids, We have a razor drifter that works but lost charger, how do you know how long to charge the 48v set up for and if I went with 36v instead of 48v would it make a diff in speed as its for a 100lb rider. Also if Im starting with an intact razor drifter version any variations I need to be aware of from your instructions? i.e do i need to change the sprocket diameter on drifter axle etc.... we have it completely stripped down to paint just want to get my parts list right before we spray.

[@zach_wolfe]

Jon Jones You will need to get the correct voltage charger (36v or 48v). The chargers automatically shut off main charging and go into trickle charge mode once the batteries are full. A completely drained 36v or 48v battery setup takes about 2 to 3 hours to fully charge and lasts about 45min to an hour of run time. The sprocket size on both the standard ground force and the drifter should be the same size. Good luck with your build!

[@zach_wolfe]

Jon Jones I forgot to answer your 36v vs 48v speed question. Both motors have the same RPM rating. In order to get the most speed possible, you will want to use a 48v battery setup and controller to push a 36v motor. With a 100 lb rider you shouldn’t have the controller overheating issue that you will get with heavier riders. If your goal is top speed, go with this setup. If you want longevity (aka: least amount of possible issues) go with a straight 36v or 48v setup. I’d personally recommend the straight 36v setup. Less batteries to replace over time and lighter overall setup.

[@VAlien79]

Thanks for the help Sir, You cleared up all the questions i had! gonna get started today...

[@ashtf]

Hey, I am using the same speed controller and motor as you used in the video... the clip connector for the charger on my ground force drifter fits into the connector of the new speed controller, but it makes the connection RED-BLACK and BLACK-RED... is this a problem? Do I have to swap the wires? Also is there anywhere where you have a circuit diagram I could look at?

[@zach_wolfe]

GoPro Kid If the clips line up correctly, all I can recommend is trying it. Assuming your wires are for the motor, if they are not correct, it will spin the motor in reverse.

[@ashtf]

It’s for the charger cable... is it dangerous to swap the wires?

[@zach_wolfe]

GoPro Kid Gor the charger, make the sure the red and black line up.

[@ashtf]

Thanks!

[@anchodon5857]

Who sing the song on here.. over and over

[@zach_wolfe]

AnchO DoN It’s listed at the very end of the video.

[@anchodon5857]

Zach Wolfe I seen it right after I sent the question off but thanks and nice ride

[@kfloyd6310]

I seen a guy do it with two 24v kobalt

[@coreybaham8355]

Anyone want to convert one for me? I got a unit free that doesn't work. But would like to rebuild it for my 13 year old's birthday.

[@akthegamer4497]

I live on the west side of phoenix build me a mini bike