Real Reason Teams Are Leaving LCS & The NEW AMERICAS Format

[@randomhero6365]

I miss when random celebrities like rick fox were investing into league teams.

[@spartanpancho117]

You can thank reggie and jack for pushing him out of the scene with their bs

[@Pyrrha_Nikos]

Well, random celebrities don't really love wasting millions of dollars on a product that's handled as incompetently as Riot had handled the LCS for the last 10 years

[@ngngye]

@@Pyrrha_NikosNo they just waste tons of money on shit like NFTs for clout and recognition.

[@Pyrrha_Nikos]

@@ngngye that's their own incompetence, not somebody else's

[@khoabuivan4458]

Now you just have community run amatuer leagues like the Blue Otter sponsoring and investing into the teams instead.

[@Invictus-Solaris]

Franchising was the start of the collapse.

[@fabianpino4910]

I've said this before and tons of people argued that there was no way to sustain it in the long run, but every other long running esport uses a tournament format, idk what these ppl are smoking

[@hansimgluck6789]

@@fabianpino4910 all NA sports dont do that though.

[@fabianpino4910]

@@hansimgluck6789 doesnt mean it's the right approach in esports, most esport franchise leagues outside of Valorant and LoL have died, but that's just because riot puts a shit ton of money on it

[@johnkirk1772]

@@fabianpino4910 talent dried up..doesn’t matter whether it’s a franchise system or not, where are the promising rookies and the large young player base? The game is just dying in NA

[@fabianpino4910]

@johnkirk1772 the issue is that the talent dried because they had mo chances to join a bug team under the franchise system, you cant simply make a team of random pubstars and get into LCS, then those rookies get experience and get shown in the big league. You gotta get scouted, tried, put on NACL and hope that things workout. If you look at other games with esports (valve games) that's how some random kids blow up and become tier 1 players. Obviously now it doesnt matter, since if you are 16 yo and reach challenger it doesn't matter, you have to be invited into a team to participate. If I was a kid I would play fortnite, cs or dota 2 where I can earn more money just by climbing the ladder and being good. Riot will put blame on everything but the system they designed.

[@singletaxjax307]

"The real reason" is the LCS has never made money, never will make money, and 90% of all the money the league would ever make dried up overnight when FTX went under

[@KkkenAs-me4se]

Nah the reason is players are making stupid amount

[@anthonyricher]

​@@KkkenAs-me4se haven't paid attention in like 3 years, eh?

[@LordDeathNote]

@@KkkenAs-me4se They really don't anymore, given they live in california and are learning skills that are not easily transferrable in a job where they're expected to work well over the regular 40 hour week they're arguably quite underpaid now. You're out of date by a number of years, salaries have been dropping every single year for the last four.

[@DoubleMeatpalace]

They don't make because they don't make money. LCS and most of the other leagues are heavily subsidized by Riot. All of the teams values are heavily inflated. They don't have the infrastructure that other traditional sports teams have. I'd be amazed that more than two or three teams from lcs+lec actually netted profit if you took away all the money they get from Riot.

[@80AM.]

its okay riot is rich and cares more about the community being into the competitive scene than anything else. it's better for the branding overall

[@MoneyPrinter123]

12:45 "This allows to full heartedly focus on our business without really worrying about our imminent future" sure sounds like "100T was broke and needed the money from selling the franchise back to Riot"

[@gtmaniacmda]

Giving 100T this free year makes me think they couldn't find anyone to buy the franchise slot in the 6 months since 100T said they wanted out, which is concerning (but not surprising, since they couldn't find anyone to replace EG or TSM either). I guess they wanted to form this Americas league because soon there would have been no more teams left in the LCS!

[@nilllx]

main thing i took from this vid is that i can still duo in masters

[@User-pu3lc]

100T as an organization is getting out of esports all together. Watch any interview with Nadeshot. The guy wants to be an OTK style model and has effectively given up on running 100T as a gaming org. to move to Texas and stream. I hope their whole business (continues) to crumble once they lose the esports angle. Mismanaging a company just to scape goat esports as a reason for why you were unsuccessful is such a lame move.

[@singletaxjax307]

Its kind of impossible not to mismanage an esports league. The industry does not make money.

[@FabtonYT]

its less his mismanaging it since they were making money from there esports merch, its more so esports itself doesnt bring in much money and the factors that do in esports are all the same as a streamer group which has a ton less overhead.

[@aR0ttenBANANA]

I mean, he genuinely doesn’t like esports. Why would he care?

[@randomhero6365]

So crazy they spent like millions building some huge e sports centers and stuff for them to just drop all of esports

[@riceburner9187]

You have no idea what you're talking about LMAOOO

[@raweltz]

this is an experimental format for the LEC

[@Th3Sixth]

when the most liked teams leave the LCS and viewers drop to nothing why watch when ur team can be gone next year?

[@clydiepie]

100T leaving actually sadge

[@LK2909]

they are only out if they loose right ?

[@clydiepie]

@LK2909 or if another team wants the slot

[@hehexd5317]

@@LK2909 they aren't out if they lose, the only team that will be under question is the DSG team, which is an academy team and will have to fight through relegations for their spot. Dom (and most people with an iq above room temperature) assume that 100T will leave on their own after 2025, and them staying this year was just a deal they made with riot, so riot would buy the slot back from them. I do hope they just make the 100t slot a relegation slot as well for 2026

[@LK2909]

@@hehexd5317 okay, was just unclear to me how the promo format worked. Guess my iq is below room temp then. Ty

[@ger_Raenef]

well esports eats up money, we had a streamer group in prime league who had a team and they closed down after a year and told about how much money they lost

[@gustavomiranda5218]

Na is dying no CLG , no TSM , no Evil Geniss , no Golden Gardians , no Imortals , no NRG and 100 thiefs want leave too. No more big orgs only C9 , Team liquid , and Flyquest with championships historics

[@ZackSavage]

Was glad to see EG and TSM gone, but the rest are a bit of a blow. I don't think this means NA is dying at all.

[@FyreNail2]

@@ZackSavage It's lack of stability though right, like all those teams had fans and you can't realistically expect fans to just keep "jumping ship" to cheer for another team each time a team exits, eventually all the fans will cluster towards the top teams in hopes they won't leave (but still might, TSM and CLG did) and no fans will ever cheer for the bottom teams again because they'll assume they're going to f-off eventually, or they'll watch LCK/LPL where teams aren't dropping like flies, or they'll give up watching altogether because they're sick of the constant changes, not just in all the teams leaving but the format changes, split changes, mergers etc, like just fucking FIGURE IT OUT ALREADY and STICK WITH IT

[@coolguq]

But I've personally never seen NA play better internationally.

[@mathieumercier7936]

@@coolguq When these "NA" teams being mostly 2/5 NA, saying they're the best NA ever had is another nail in the coffin.

[@80AM.]

@@mathieumercier7936 lmao still mad eu didn't make it to quarters hm?

[@radekhruby142]

LCS died when Bjerg left TSM, it was never the same after

[@FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV]

Berserker is also supposed to join Lyonz as well. Not confirmed yet, though.

[@FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV]

Source: Dexerto Esports I had to go back and check what it was called again. There's no real confirmation that Berserker is going there, but I wouldn't be surprised.

[@FitzgeraldStanburyWeissV]

Nvm, apparently Hena is joining Lyon Gaming.

[@Flossylearner1]

It’s funny how tsm will always be more memorable then anyone after,simply because they were the best at player stories and marketing their players to the fans. Just like an nba team would. You look at anyone else in the league you probably cannot even name all 5 members on their team. They don’t market anyone they make riot try during broadcast if they even bother. We need less segments of players putting a bed together and more with the game. Have players 1v1 on aram more. Bot lanes 2v2 in aram map. Have a jungler show how to full clear quickly and kite camps or talk about camp spawn timers for example anyone tell me exactly when first void grubs spawns? Or how long a scuttle takes to spawn and will one respawn if only one dies? Do segments about champions and their builds, flavor of the month show the entire build its current win rate in all elos throw it on screen have Kobe talk about the build,which abilities get maxed first etc. lcs has been trying so hard to apeal to dweebs that they don’t even market their game or anything about it. It’s just dweeb stuff and stuffies and corny hats.

[@Tofh40]

You mean old tsm right? Because I can't remember a single player they had on their team for the last 2 years they were on the LCS

[@hisnameiskish4874]

I want Moist eSports in the LCS

[@saintsataniko2116]

INSANITY >>>all EU trash MID imports STIXXAY >>all EU trash ADC imports

[@switchbackk8823]

DSG aint winning with those NACL tier players

[@asambi69]

They might be the only team left soon, NA League is deadge.

[@SanitySan]

Teams are leaving because Riot gave broadcasting rights to streamers, and in return it's hard for orgs to go to sponsorships saying that there are a collective (hypothetical number) 15 streamers, who as a collective have 100,000 viewers, instead of 1 or 2 that have 100,000. Sponsors see it as an issue seeing how they do not control the broadcasters so why would they align with the org when the broadcasters basically can say and do what they want. I don't blame Teams for leaving if they can't afford to keep teams in the League because of Riots choices and insane rulings they should leave.

[@vktesla]

I would be pissed if I were any other team and watch 100T negotiate this deal.

[@serenity9260]

I did not just saw yasuo support won challenger div

[@aR0ttenBANANA]

Save the Kid 2.0 please 😢

[@WickdSeek]

I mean a lot of these geads decided to pay players millions of dollars just for a year or two deal..and all of these players were not worth even 800k....they kept throwing money hoping something good comes out of it..which resulted on how things are now.

[@DeanSmith-d2w]

franchising only works with billion dollar backers ,like us sport , but its detrimental to implement this strategy because it breeds nepotism and sub standard buisness culture, hence the nation

[@CxerRy96]

Abbe going from "nah I'ma sit this shit team out just in case I don't want to look like a clown" to "wow there's a chance I get relegated ayyy lmao" is so strange tho

[@Kenimiro]

Kinda surprised Dom doesn't know what a divestiture is.

[@iamshofiulazam]

I'm not

[@javi4591]

He's obviously a well read person but there's just some words you never encounter like this business jargon. I respect that he instantly went and learned the meaning of it...

[@tacmaster7887]

TSM TSM TSM!

[@Velereonics]

I think Riot should do some type of thing where they like let other orgs run tournament circuits so in Starcraft there was at least two I think there was three but I can only remember the SPL and the OSL and I don't even remember how it came to be that there was two like who was the Arbiters of those two I have no idea but the way league is the only way to do it is to either give Tyler one an official circuit and then it's like a free-for-all for streamers or just let the orgs run like mini tournaments throughout the year to control worlds and MSI They basically need to give the game back to the community as much as possible. I think any video game which has an Esports seen that's micromanaged or fully controlled by the corporation owns the game need to do something similar because Esports was growing when it was largely community-driven and now it's corporate driven and then they just expect kids to like get into it like no that's not how it has longevity like if you take control away from it then Gamers don't feel like they have any investment in it and then it like slowly suffocates itself (unless you're OverWatch and then you just strangle it from the moment it's born) I mean personally I think they should let the Orcs run tournaments with proteins in their tournaments but also non-pros so just like random people from the premade ladder or people who just want to enter like let the collegiate teams play against them like who cares like it should just be whatever people want and whatever the team is feel like they wanted to just let them do it just feels the need to have control over all of their output that uses the game and that is just dumb But it's also very Asia as far as intellectual property is concerned so I guess it's to be expected

[@lukavidakovic2385]

I dont think the orcs would be good at running anything

[@hehexd5317]

while i do get what you're saying, this wall of text was a pain to read through... use punctuation please, also stop using "like" every other word... you sound like a californian high school girl

[@TigeruSpear]

saint to lyon is insane

[@RealHumanBot]

I've always felt teams should just try to sell more player Jerseys. Then teams would be motivated to win more because they'd get more sells.

[@LDixonFPS]

easier said then done

[@Tofh40]

Jerseys don't make as much as you'd think, after cost of production and shipping they are not getting too much. And then you look at eSport fans average spending it's abysmal, because they get everything for free so they are not used to spending at all in eSports. So to break that hurdle into spending customers is a steep hill

[@mathieumercier7936]

@@Tofh40 That's especially true if you want good quality products. Fans would get mad if the jersey they receive is poorly made. I doubt it is easy to have something not too expensive, with decent durability/comfortable, and still profitable when your main activity is esport.

[@duongthanhtung492]

@@Tofh40People pay thousands of dollars for Faker’s Skin. All NA teams need are just any Worlds title and they be selling banks.

[@nathanspreitzer6738]

Players salary’s will have to come down dramatically if any of these teams want to make a dime

[@minime1988]

Honestly just do the Mr.Beast guest spot for a year, LoL needs new players in NA which he could bring in and do you really think Mr.Beast viewers care about his drama they just watch his videos on their tablets while playing roblox.

[@AngeloMarchantt]

I doubt any league would wanna deal with someone as cancelled as mr beast tbh

[@minime1988]

@@AngeloMarchantt Bro, they do business with the Saudis for EWC they can't really grandstand on those false morals anymore at the end of the day they care more about making money.

[@thegreatkeljb]

Open tournament and franchising is the solution. Have franchise teams (So fans can be fans of teams long term) but have 2-4 relegation slots from open tournament.

[@aelinna3572]

It’s over

[@AKAsubtor]

This is great.. Bringing back relegation tournaments at the end of the year. I wish LEC would do the same... I've been a C9 fan since they entered the league through the relegation cup.. The way they came into the league and dominated it with this unkillable zac jungle and commander Hai leading the squad. There more KR style of playing. It was super exciting and unexpected. Of course these are rare cases but man the possibilities. As for 100T they get a free pass for 1 year then in year 2 they will be participating if they're still around?

[@ok3739]

EWWW MRBEAST TEAM??? NAHHHHHH

[@Yied1]

mr.beast KSI Logan Paul League of legend team XD

[@acatwithwiskers9273]

TLL (The Lunchly Legends)

[@suunnz]

Pretty hype actually.

[@Crickily]

Lol! Fakerdagge is crazy!!!! He should be stable. The 100T thing is crazy!!! Im sure Sniper, River, and Quid are coming back. Bot lane I have no clue. I guess they bring Tomo back and sign another support. Or run it back in general. For DSG I believe Poome will come back for them and Tenacity. I think Tomio or Yuuji should be their jungle and maybe Massu joins this team? He was there when the won in NACL a year ago maybe he will feel more comfortable with DSG. Or... Doublelift anyone? He is the saver of teams when relegations come! Slot him in!

[@BIGshippyy]

Are you ok?

[@DBasedAlex]

I don’t think 100T will be missed (aside from their die hard fans) Even when they won the league they never inspired confidence. Most of their big wins felt like they stole the series or the other team crumbled

[@kaly8329]

Hmm.. I wonder how the Fly vs TL finals went?

[@Erizariff]

It honestly sounds like Riot strong armed them out. Which is why they emphasized their track record to emotionally. Sounds like Riot needed the slot for something else cooking... maybe DSG???

[@sirschwein3495]

Well

[@thewhipofjustice5869]

I'm most likely not gonna watch LCS anymore, or whatever it's called now. This change is going to kill the region, and I want to be a part of the downfall, this change is more of a reward for Brazil and a punishment for NA, even though NA has been better than EU for 2 years now. Eu isn't having these changes.

[@mori5481]

NA has less views than Europe and around the same as Brasil, it's that simple. You're a dead region.

[@khristlucas1403]

Wdym rewards to Brazil? No one in Brazil wants these changes

[@eugenewang4650]

this had to happen, brazilian viewership is so big. Eu has regional leagues with fanbases just for these tier 2 teams.

[@kimpeater1]

The honest truth is not many people watched LCS to begin with. It's embarrassing for the home region to have such low numbers.

[@kae1971]

Congrat Asian you won so much the market is doomed.

[@PluristPurist]

poo gang

[@sayo1777]

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[@sophagames]

Esports isnt a real sport. Thats why orgs will never make money.

[@goy0551]

Lpl and lck org teams are making money, tf r u talking bout ? 😂

[@chomosuke0720]

Bro we barely in the digital age give it some time LMAO

[@hehexd5317]

@@goy0551 from a previous dom video, as far as lck goes, i think he mentioned that only t1 makes money, the other teams are running at a loss, it's especially obvious with a team like damwon, right after winning worlds in 2020, was struggling to come up with money to keep their team together for 2021... I also don't really consider chinese teams profitable, knowing how the chinese communist party works, i'd assume the teams are state-sponsored

[@TheIronMan728]

@@goy0551 thats a lie

[@RomnysGonzalez]

100T abandoned league 1 year after joining the LCS. Nadeshot make himself rich out of LCS and Riot and then dipped DSG getting into the league because it got the most attention because well is the Content creator team, but if we looking at quality of competition... This team suck balls bro. They were so freaking terrible. One of the worst teams on the whole NACL. If Riot gonna be doing this the one team joining LCS should've been either Dragonsteel or FearxStarforge. Those team met the requirement of being popular AND being high quality performances. I know they are trying to drag more people into the league and such, but quality of competition should a priority. DSG is gonna sucks. That team is gonna be so damn terrible and they gonna lose their invitational spot, Tier 2 or whatever they call it by the end of the year. C9 losing Saint to a LLA team and picking willingly picking Loki over Saint is BONGERS. LIKE C9 really doing their best with their system and keep their Systemic losing LMAO

[@AllanMurmann]

made himself rich?????? LCS is a dragging brand, you pay to be part of it. Every team wants out because they ran out of money. League bubble exploded simple as that.

[@Bebox-lz3gw]

Brother y the hell r u assuming its going to be the same team😂

[@robertmusil1107]

Good. League is just toxic. Their biggest streamers are clowns like Tyler1 which tells you enough about the player base.

[@greensabr200]

I can smell your musk through the screen

[@LightOfSkyFalling]

This T1 trophy is for you icantdominate 😂... Thanx for being a T1 hater😂

[@LOLBeachPlease]

100T COD team cost alot of money so much nade took a paycut to get them probably a reason