FREE Abandoned Airplane... If I Can Start It! Ep1

[@davidhaney1394]

I REALLY hope this becomes a restoration series , genuinely , this is one of the best watches I`ve had for a long time . You seems like a real nice guy and I enjoyed spending time watching you do this . Normally I would just skip to the end and see if you got it going , but I was so , enjoying the episode I just didnt want to spoil the ending . Great show man thanks !

[@rebuildrescue]

David thank you so much for stopping by and investing your time with us. Your kind words are very encouraging. We can’t wait to do the next video !

[@TheStuartstardust]

@@rebuildrescue You should have brought some plastic covers for working in the cabin with all that bid p**p 🤢..but great work on the plane 💪🤓

[@mrbennpulse3620]

100% and if it does become a series u have no doubt it would get alot of views. Hopefully we see it in the air in the future

[@gusgone4527]

I've got to agree. As time went on (48 mins currently) I'm now hooked on this project. Wish I could help, just for the hell of it. One comment. I hope he moves all that stuff off the wing before he try's to start the starboard next time. Then again a good chuckle watching the tools and bottles go shooting off over the tarmac is never a bad thing. 😆

[@martyns2804]

So do I !

[@kk1576]

N81AD used to be based at Brookville Airpark (formally I62) near Dayton Ohio. In the late 80s it was used in a part135 charter operation. I62 was a fairly small runway (about 30x~2400) so they would pick passengers up at Dayton International (DAY). I worked the line in high school pumped many gallons of fuel in that airplane, towed it in and out of hangars, and cleaned out after trips, plus side was getting to go for rides (even in that plane). Used to be white with blue and gold stripes. I just pulled up an old log book and my dad's last time flying that plane was 3/25/93 to Willow Run (YIP). I hope something can be done with this airplane.

[@rebuildrescue]

That is such awesome information ! So tempted to pull a plan together and get it flying somehow !

[@timmayer8723]

You got the best that hulk will give ever again.

[@aetparamedic]

Man we're did you find the information

[@briancorty4348]

Very old Reg it show Cali last landing in 2019 owned by a DE corp but hey it’s entertaining at least

[@YeaniaAeon]

@@briancorty4348 flightaware says its certificate issue is from 2020/05/26 so not that old the and will exire in 2023/05/31 source is FAA and the owner is S & K Rentals Inc

[@crunchynuts793]

I've been an avionics/elec eng for 20yrs...worked on all kinds of fixed wing jet/prop and lots of rotary.. Military, private, commercial...my Industry is ruined due to years of agency greed and corruption and Covid now... To get involved with some good people doing restorations like this would probably be the best way to go now and potentially lucrative... Plus I love it when we complete the deep maintenance and finish functionals/ground runs and watch it zip off! Very satisfying.. 👌🏻

[@Lapislightning]

Ever thought about opening your own shop? I belive there must be a big market for ordinary people hoping to get planes restored.

[@Blessings.429]

I hope he contacts you 💯🙏🏻

[@jebb125]

@@Lapislightning the work has to be signed off by a license mechanic. unless you have a 145 repair station. and joe blow does not get one very easy.

[@TrueLoveNetwork]

Not to mention the UN/Agenda21/30/banking/insurance scam that controls it all, including the Covidian Psyop.

[@Coentjemons]

No interest in airplanes No interest in mechanical stuff No idea why this was recommended to me Just spent over an hour watching this dude with great interest!!!

[@Flightx52]

Having flown and worked on this exact model of airplane and many similar models many times, I’m skeptical but have hope that this airplane will fly again. Just from the video, I can already tell that both engines will need rebuilt, both turbos rebuilt, new mags, new plugs, props overhauled, corrosion treatment for the entire thing. You’ll need to check those fuel tanks for corrosion. And probably the biggest thing you’ll need to do is have an A&P go through the entire airplane and check for airworthiness directives. Since you don’t have any logbooks, all of the ADs on the airplane will need to be checked and accomplished before it can fly. All in all, it’s gonna be a ton of work. I’m excited to see the progress, and I’m optimistic. If you ever need a pilot to sit in the cockpit and work switches or a hand turning wrenches, send me a PM. I love to see old airplanes restored, I just know this one in particular will be a ton of work.

[@davidregan9872]

It would be nice to see him have some help! If he rebuilds them he could at least sell them! I've never flown in a small aircraft, and I wouldn't fly in this if the engines weren't rebuilt! Years ago someone broke into a storage unit, and stole a $35,000 airplane engine in our town. I don't know if he ever got it back!

[@mtn_sivliu]

rebuilding the engines themselves would make 1 long hour video :D

[@MajorCaliber]

@@davidregan9872 It's not just the powerplants, it's corrosion and overall *soundness of the wing spars* engine mounts, and other major structural elements of the airframe... in-flight disintegration WILL ruin your day!

[@LeeeHack]

@@MajorCaliber Yeah, RUDs ruin it for everyone, regardless if it's the space/aeronautics or motor industry ;)

[@CHELLIE2408]

I Agree a Ton of Work and a Ton of Money, I would walk away from this Project, its not worth Doing IMHO

[@jimmasterson4431]

I recognized that paint job right away! I flew that airplane shortly after it was painted. I was a brand new flight instructor working out of Brookeville airpark (I62) and the owner (I believe it was a partnership) took me along as a safety pilot. That was 6-25-1997 we flew from KMGY to KMSP. It was a really nice plane back then.

[@FinalLugiaGuardian]

Yes... "was"... Curious. What actually happened to this plane that resulted in it being essentially just parked and then left to rot?

[@breakingames7772]

This should be top comment, what are the chances u see a yt video of a plane u flew in 97

[@wintersbattleofbands1144]

@@FinalLugiaGuardian Money. Tons of these types are owned in partnerships (as described above) to help with costs. Likely parked "temporarily" and months turned into years.

[@johnafsoc8929]

Ok after watching your dedication to this project... Here’s some advice from a 30 year A&P. Make friends with a local general aviation A&P. Get a gallon of Kroil from Kano Labs. It’s not sold at an auto parts store but will yield much better performance than the pen-oil and 2stroke you were using. Pressure wash the whole thing. That will give you a much better visual for inspection. I know you’re just trying to get the engines fired but, don’t fall in love and know when to say when. Without logs the aircraft has little value outside of to yourself or deconstructed and used for “used parts”. I hate seeing aircraft sit like that and found myself wanting to lend a hand. Oh one last piece of safety advice, stand behind the prop while motoring it through. If by Zeus’ butthole of a chance the mag does fire your not in front of it. Also so long as all the leads are out of the plugs turn that prop all you want. Leave the bottom plugs in, drop some kroil and get the rings loose. Looking forward to seeing more.

[@danparden8103]

You can get a gallon of kroil from my local menards lol

[@Captain_Dark]

Kroil is the shit. We use to stash it because people would steal it.

[@charles5448]

I bought a spray bottle and just mixed ATF (Automatic Transmission Fluid) and Acetone. Works just as good as kroil.

[@johnafsoc8929]

@@danparden8103 I had no idea. Kano labs use to only sell direct.

[@johnafsoc8929]

@@charles5448 I get where you’re going with that but I wonder where the volatility/flash of your mixture is compared to Kroil. I’ll have to test that out and compare it to Kroil for corrosion busting. What ratio hyd/acetone are you using?

[@johnlambert3273]

Just an old trick learned on removing frozen in place sparkplugs. Work them back and forth a little bit at a time, each time until you feel tightness. Each time, you will go a little further until the sparkplug loosens enough to remove. I like your channel, keep it up!

[@daniell1869]

I'm fully invested in this restoration. I could watch an entire series of you getting old, abandoned planes to run again. seriously this is a gold mine for us aviation geeks. as a private pilot myself i love seeing engines worked on

[@Morzsaszar]

This plane never gonna fly as he said

[@mutleyadamsracing2684]

@Repent to Jesus Christ! jumponaschlongpetersniffer

[@itheseacow7590]

@@Morzsaszar The end goal is never going to get them airworthy again. But an aviation museum might be interested in buying a working but not airworthy example of a plane

[@Morzsaszar]

@@itheseacow7590 No museum has interest about a common plane like this

[@itheseacow7590]

@@Morzsaszar they have one in the museum near where I live. Following your logic no museum would want a dc3 because of how many where made

[@SKRUBL0RD]

seeing all of this, really makes you appreciate people who keep airplanes going and clean for decades

[@geea8509]

I agree how could anyone let this bird fall in such disrepair? It should have been sold a long time ago rather then letting it rot on a airport ramp somewhere out in the weather. At the very least put a cover over the wind screen. I think it would be great if he donated it to Everett Community College's Aviation A&P school up here in Washington state or some other school where students could learn how to rebuild the engines and restore the aircraft.

[@kwhp1507]

@@geea8509 maybe because the price can be prohibitive to work on certified aircraft. That engine would probably cost at least $50,000 to be rebuilt. And it has 2 of them. Aviation is stupid fucking expensive if you cannot legally work on your plane. And you can’t if you are not a minimum certified A&P (airframe and powerplant) mechanic. Then you have the licensed IA (inspection & authorization) in order to get any repairs certified before the craft can be flown again.

[@chriscross5581]

Just my 2 cents: A stuck turbo shouldn't keep it from starting and running at idle/low rpm, as long as the intake can get enough air in (Maybe disconnect the output hose from the turbo to free up the intake?). The turbo does not generate any significant amount of extra pressure until the engine is actually running and particularly running at mid to high rpm, as the exhaust pressure is limited at lo rpm (and nonexistant at startup ;) ). Different story if it was a mechanically driven charge device. Also, on a road vehicle that would turn well on the starter i'd have checked all cylinders first for spark, then checked for fuel flow, possibly by extracting each of the injectors and running it briefly into a can with a rag in it, and finally if an indicator was available, try to rotate it a bit longer without plugs to see if any minimal rise in oil pressure would occur, just to try to avoid starting it without lubrication. Now, i totally get that you'd be hesitant to rotate an engine on a plane with you or someone else up close to the prop, and also that you might be rather hesitant to extract the injectors in fear of damaging them and/or the injector lines. But with all plugs out It should be totally impossible for it to fire to get rotation, as there could be no compression, only in worst case a bit of a flame from a spark plug hole if you get the plug too close; hence you could likely check the sparks that way (a pain to remove them all, but what can you do...?). You'd probably also get an idea if the injectors are delivering any fuel, as the unburnt fuel should leak out the lower plug holes. Not perfect indication, but it's better than nothing, and you get an indication for each cylinder. Same setup should logically also let you rotate the engine to check the oil pressure.

[@elgar6743]

Agree. Fuel/Air/Spark. I'd remove the prop assembly as one of the first steps as well.

[@chriscross5581]

@@elgar6743 100% with you on the sense in pulling the prop for fuel/air/spark tests and other stuff that will only have you rotating the engine on the starter. Running the engine without could theoretically have unwanted side effects, however, as the prop acts as the majority of the engines flywheel. I'd try asking a specialist for that type of engines before trying something like that....just to keep safe. I'd expect it to be common to add another type of flywheel or maybe a dyno load or something for "shop bench" running during major repairs etc.

[@learmonkey3582]

@Chris Cross Leave the prop alone. The prop pitch is hydraulically controlled using engine oil and a prop governor (high pressure oil pump). If he ever did get it started with the prop removed he would have 300 psi oil shooting out the end of the crankshaft.

[@alecpalacio1958]

Can’t take prop off, and run. Could ruin the engine without the added weight and drag from prop, engine could turn way too fast and blow itself apart.

[@joshsmith9398]

Almost exactly what I was thinking, except use an inline spark tester to check for spark. The engine should start and idle naturally aspirated, just leave the cover off and air filter out to turn it over and try to start her up.

[@mcmoodoo]

I know nothing about engines let alone airplane engines, but the most important lesson I am learning from you is Patience and Perseverance! Thanks for that!

[@firestormv01]

Yes please turn this into a series! I love watching videos about people finding old stuff and getting it working again and this airplane has my interests piqued, not only in the fixing old stuff department, but general aviation as well.

[@kricketkiki5043]

Same

[@nateg6320]

I’ve worked as a A&P for most of my life, and I don’t miss this at all. I feel your pain lol. Great video, and please for the love of god don’t be complacent turning the prop over by hand. Always treat the engine as it was hot.

[@easterntennesseelivesteame4796]

I’m currently an A&P workin on larger birds like 37s and A321s and just seeing this makes me cringe haha. He’s got more patients than I do. I can just imagine the paperwork it would take to make that airworthy again😅

[@TravisFabel]

@@easterntennesseelivesteame4796 I think that's the part he's missing. I hear him talk about how he would like to take the interior out and redo it and clean itself up and get it working but I don't think he realizes that he needs somebody to sign off on everything and that's where the money is. Unlike a car or a tractor or most other things, just because you can do it yourself and write it up doesn't mean you'll be allowed to use it. Even if you did everything perfectly which umm... I really like his style for working on things and getting them running but aircraft are... Different on how they are approached.

[@bitcoinwhisperer1754]

@@TravisFabel assuming its carb might help if they where cleaned and checking there's fuel reaching the plugs and a spark. A torque wrench wouldn't hurt either.

[@jbrownjetmech-4783]

@@TravisFabel Yeah, when I seen the thumbnail and "rebild rescue" I thought uhhh, dude it was abandoned because it needs to be rebuilt, inspected and singed by a licensed A&P, plus it will need an annual inspection...dude the list is so amazingly long, it would be hard to believe.

[@MrNavyman53]

@@bitcoinwhisperer1754 It's not, it's fuel injected. And fuel injection works different on airplane engines. It's just a constant mist of fuel into the intake near the valve.

[@i.r.wayright1457]

As a retired A&P, I.A. I recommend you research the wing spar AD note and any others that would preclude any future air worthiness. There might be a reason it was offered for free of you get the engines running. BTW, I doesn't matter a whole lot if the engines are close to time before overhaul or not. Anyone thinking to fly behind engines that have been sitting that long and seem seized up, should be aware that there could be hidden corrosion issues that could show up at a most inconvenient time.

[@rebuildrescue]

I agree. We did read up on the AD’s and saw the wing spar one. Without the log books all AD’s would need completed which would take a ton of money. However she doesn’t seem to have even a bit of corrosion on her.

[@i.r.wayright1457]

@@rebuildrescue Paint can hide a multitude of sins. BTW, the engines will still run with a seized up turbocharger. And if they are not spinning for a test run, no foul. You could open the oil supply line of top and soaking them for a bit with a good penetrating oil. Then, you must preoil that line so the bearing gets oil pressure before turning up to RPM.

[@rebuildrescue]

@@eagle2019 I’ll have to take a look at the Hobbs meter. The only thing is though the logs were lost some time ago so I believe all AD’s would need reviewed and completed to make it airworthy. I’ll have to see if the AD is a spar replacement or an Eddie current test. We’re over in the northeast. 👍🏼 We’d love any help we can get !!

[@toadman506]

​@@rebuildrescue Unfortunately the worst thing for an aircraft engine is to be sitting on the Ramp..Marginally better in a Dry, environment, but even then time is the Killer. You're better off with a plant that has 3000 hours on it, that gets flown every week, than an Engine with 50 hours on it that gets flown 5 hours a year.

[@mctransportation9831]

I've got to think anyone wanting to invest in a airplane like this would rather buy one that's been kept up and never out of annual. Any money saved on initial investment would be spent exponentially trying to get it functional and it still will never inspire the confidence that a well cared for bird would give.

[@timjohnson1578]

With all of the plugs out you could see if you're getting spark just by touching the cylinders and the mags on. Ive worked on 421s 310's and others. Working Commercial aviation now. The Turbos won't make it not start, you just wont have that power those 520's can make :)

[@ceisarsrepair7958]

You can Safely "Start" an engine with a locked turbo. It doesn't completely block the exhaust. He just wanted to "see it run", he didn't specify amount of .time. fire it up on video and make the deal! Then go through and rebuild it. I would call an A&P school to ask if they're willing to use it as a training engine rebuild, and in the end, you have two rebuilt engines. Many companies will donate new parts to the school. We resurrected a Piper Comanche that way, took 2 semesters, and we had a recertified aircraft.

[@ceisarsrepair7958]

I'd Gladly pay your couple days work and come take it off your hands. We have several A&P schools here just salivating for a specimen like this. But we'd most likely convert it with the two PT-6s that they rebuilt for us last year. 780shp each. It would become the family hot rod. 😁👍

[@gorillawrenchin]

I agree, I've seen plenty of engines run with a locked turbo. Even diesels. Air flow needed at idle is minimal and can get around the locked up vanes. My guess is the compression was not high enough to cause it to fire.

[@ceisarsrepair7958]

@@gorillawrenchin Starting fluid is a Wonderful thing!😂👍

[@gorillawrenchin]

@Ceisars Repair right? I think I would've tried a few more things before giving up. I don't know airplanes all that well, but couldn't he remove the charge pipe between turbo and intake to free up any obstruction?

[@ceisarsrepair7958]

@@gorillawrenchin I think someone else was interested and going to offer cash to the seller if it ran. All that work just to call it off using a Lame excuse that we All knew better.

[@Abigail_Nikolaev]

Id love to see a full restoration or something close, see that plane looking brand new and airworthy!

[@brianwest2775]

The positive is that the engines are at a really nice height to work on. 😀

[@lordclancharlie1325]

yes, good for one's back

[@carminemurphy4836]

If it had really been a Hanger Queen it had not had as many issues, it was a Homeless Queen, sadly enough.

[@austinmillbarge8731]

I had the same thought as a former heavy aircraft maintainer where maintenance stands and poor ergonomics are the norm concerning anything with high off of the ground engines. I'm noticing not only how much knowledge the host has about engines, but that he takes pains to communicate well, something that probably went a long way towards him getting this opportunity. Good mechanics don't come cheap, but good speakers are priceless.

[@austinmillbarge8731]

@Polymer Tools keep working at it, noone is a natural at anything. No doubt, the aircraft owner is not a mechanic and he shall ultimately give away a quarter of a million dollar aircraft because someone came along who could speak his language and solve a problem for him. Notice the host empathized with the fuel truck driver first, instead of barking out how much fuel he needs which would have made him seem even crazier than the whole airport probably thinks he is for requesting fuel at this infamous aircraft. Who knows when he will need a favor from that same person later? Also waving at the taxiing aircraft etc. It's not all about explaining technical instructions, but being able to communicate with people of all stripes. Linguistic leverage. Not everyone will respond well and that's ok, because plenty more will.

[@MrJdsenior]

That was hilarious. My guess is YOU can find a silver lining to anything. Enjoyed it. Likely they will be easier than that to access though, when they come out, which they will almost certainly have to to get it airworthy while keeping the mechanic sane.

[@billmccleave9320]

You obviously have an engine background, determination, and hard work I have confidence you will; start it.

[@skipbisby7307]

You'll want to remove the oil filter and see how much metal is in them. That's a good way of checking for abnormal wear/ broken components.

[@kenny4783]

Oh man the suspense is killing me! We NEED part two!

[@paulkoepnick7122]

I agree we need part 2

[@bweazer]

I agree as well

[@TigerMarine62]

Me three

[@supergmx1046]

I flew Cessna 402C for a few years as my first pilot job. Also have a few hours in Cessna 402B and 421 (this is a 401 but they are pretty similar). I really liked them and had some great memories. First off the sad part is that plane will never legally fly again unless the logbooks are located. You could not even sell parts from it without proper records except perhaps avionics, which is radios for communication and navigation etc. for those who do not know. Otherwise it might be worth something. It would make an awesome lawn ornament, or clubhouse for kids, bunkie or camper? If the logbooks were located there is a Certificate of Airworthiness which is only valid with an Annual Inspection report. Pilots may perform some routine maintenance, but most of that has to be completed by a certified aircraft mechanic. (I realize you are just doing this for interest and the video purposes) Likely needing two engine rebuilds, new lines and seals for hydraulic landing gear, tires, flushing the fuel system, exterior paint and interior. You would likely put way over $100K into it even assuming there was no major corrosion or airframe damage (which I doubt). Too bad it was not properly prepared to store in a dry climate boneyard. suggestions if I may: 1 you were aware of multiple fuel tanks on this model, I did not hear a reference to a fuel selector valve which may be on the floor to make sure the engine is being fed by the tank you added fuel to and not trying to start from one of the empty tanks or that the fuel is shut off. I am sure not everything was mentioned or caught on video, so just saying. Also could try putting a little fuel in the cylinders to see if it sputters. 2 I am not sure the turbo would cause an issue with starting. I would have to see a schematic (as a pilot I think I know airplanes but ask a mechanic they do know). As said in the video the turbo charger is powered by exhaust gases , there is no mechanical link to the engine. For those who don't know a supercharger is mechanically linked to an engine usually through a gearbox. The wastegates do no open until a certain manifold pressure the turbo may not do anything at idle or low power settings. You pointed out the pressure relief valve on the turbo so that should alleviate any overboost or exhaust backflow issues problems from the seized impeller in the turbo. Maybe if you just disconnect both hoses from the turbocharger it will not have any backflow or pressure issues from the exhaust end and the engine intake from the output side of the turbo will just breathe normally aspirated. Similar aircraft have had turbos permanently removed. It does not work until high power settings. Half way down the runway you could feel a good kick in the seat when the turbo opened on take off. 3. I could not tell from the video if you had moved your truck while starting. At one point is was in front of the aircraft. Make sure it is beside or behind and maybe a good distance away in case things go bad. Also every aircraft comes with a fire extinguisher but that one is likely empty. Even before your fuel leak I was hoping you had a couple of extinguishers handy. I knew of a Lockheed Lodestar (similar to Beech 18) that sat for years at an airport with grass and weeds growing all around it. A friend looked in it once and said it was full of mice and spider webs etc. Eventually someone like you showed up, cut the grass, replaced the tires and eventually fired it up. It was far from airworthy or legal. One morning airport staff noticed it was gone. After the tower closed it took off no radios supposedly to a farm field maybe where he did not have to pay to park it? Police and government aviation officials were notified I never heard anything more. I wish I was with you for the adventure and giggles. Good luck! PS There is no way I would test fly that :(

[@eck0hcobra15]

Great comment, very interesting to read your insights

[@clinteastwood5718]

Thank you for your input,this is really interesting stuff.

[@farleymusclewhite411]

Thanks for the very informative comment but you nailed it when you said "I realize you are just doing this for interest and the video purposes". I realized this right at the beginning when he proceeded to remove the spark plugs using massive torque without a long pre-soak and without using heat. Just getting one engine to run would cost more than this guy has or will ever have and the idea of flying that turd is ludicrous. If this guy does all the work, I doubt that he will find many eager passengers.

[@shidukirider]

These engines could be used on an airboat. Here in Florida they are used quite often and good money is paid for a decent running 520.

[@SupurrrCat]

@@farleymusclewhite411 I guess it would be a risky investment for his channel. I can definitely see him blow up if he started a build series

[@gamingbros2533]

You are definetly going to get it running as the only thing you need is dedication! Dedication makes dreams come true!

[@BlackHoleForge]

On the ride home Christmas Eve my car breaks down with my children in it. I was able to get them home and get it towed to the house with a giant list of error codes. I've had to drop the fuel tank and replace the purge solenoid, rewire the natural vacuum leak detection system, install new valve gaskets and spark plugs , and redo the ignition coil and wires. I was sitting here feeling miserable, and then remembered it's just a matter of perspective. I thought I would watch somebody do a very challenging project to gain some perspective. After watching you work so hard, and dealing with the challenges as they came, it made me feel better. It reminded me what a methodical approach can yield, and let me know that I'm not the only one feeling these frustrations. Thanks

[@tim102988]

Amen. It’s an unexpected adventure and learning experience. Keep pushing forward. What an accomplishment! Grats!

[@phillipe4742]

Probably wanna trade your car for another one

[@eddie9753]

how did u not notice half these issues before

[@bee4472]

All that stuff you did and I bet you never checked the blinker fluid or flux capacitor. Probably a 15 min fix.

[@deepthought6808]

You sound like a George Anderson, for sure.

[@tomwarner2468]

I'd get a hold of Jimmy from Jimmy's world, this right up his alley! He'd pull a plug, like car and spin it with a remote starter!

[@codylapoint]

Isn't he currently rebuilding a 3q0?

[@codylapoint]

310**

[@nevadahamaker7149]

@@codylapoint Yep, he's restoring a 310, and he's also restoring a '68 Aztec he bought at the same time. And if I'm keeping track correctly, he's also into a couple Beechcraft Sierras.

[@jacobasson856]

I thought the same thing. Contact Jimmy.

[@andrewq1876]

#savethe310

[@Agxd42]

I am an A&P, started working on general aviation planes in 1975, so yes I have replaced plugs in a Cessna 401, 402, 414 and 421. Fun Fun. I'm pretty sure those mags do not have impulse couplings, rather Bendix shower of sparks system. Great learning project for you.

[@eBaum96]

This aircraft is one of the most reliable and are built like TANKS! I own one and took me 4 years to restore. Got her ready for my 21st b-day and took her from Arizona to NYC. You provided me with info I didn't know about, especially regarding the engines, so thank you! Really enjoyed this video and hope there is more on the way?

[@wp1631]

This has to be a series, you can’t leave us hanging like this 😃

[@bryanmccarty8483]

Dont need a series those engines aren't going to run without putting a shitload of money into them.

[@rebuildrescue]

@@bryanmccarty8483 They’ll run one way or another ! 👍🏼

[@Meshari_]

@@rebuildrescue i love that brother 😁

[@sterlingmad7763]

@@rebuildrescue One way or another even if it means giving it a tow 😅

[@ecstat8651]

@@rebuildrescue im guessing we get a series then??

[@jeffhudson908]

It will start with locked up turbos. Definitely have a few feet of cruddy fuel in your injector lines. The compression will come back as the rings heat up and begin to break free from pistons. I think you're correct about the ignition spark. I'm also glad it has Continental's in it!! Hurry with the next video!! Love it!!

[@mikethezipper]

Agreed - as someone who has worked on plenty of turbo engines - you absolutely don't need a working turbo to turn on that engine. Sure it'll lack boost pressure and be air starved at higher loads and RPMs, but it'll start and idle just fine.

[@boostaddict_]

Yep, can also confirm. Been around plenty of turbocharged engines. Taking the oil feed off and filling the turbo with penetrating oil might free it up.

[@barryneale1346]

I also hope this could be extended to a restoration project , me and my wife enjoyed every minute of this video, what a beautiful aircraft this is , and the star of the show seems a great guy , who knows his stuff , it was a pleasure to see a craftsman at work , and I admire his patience as he overcame all the challenges with a smile , we didn't want it to end , once again , thank for your work ,and hope we can see more of this fascinating project, best wishes , Barry and Annie in UK .

[@ben-TTR]

I'm posting this from 26 minutes in. My guess is that one engine will fire up easy and the other will take more than double the time to get running. GREAT CONTENT!

[@MrNavyman53]

Super easy to yank the entire interior on these, you've already started obviously but I'd start by just throwing away all the random crap and yanking it all out. It's super easy to fabricate new interior panels as well. The seats you may want to send out to get reupholstered but they're pretty easy to do as well. If you want some tips or anything, I did an entire refurb on a 414 with a guy a few years ago so I may be able to help you with some stuff. Most of my job was a complete instrument panel replacement and rewiring but I did a lot of the interior and airframe work as well.

[@Engineerd3d]

Get the oil feed line out, put in some penetrating oil and let it soak. Use a 1/4" impact on the impeller of the turbo to give it a shock. It may just free up.

[@FreqBand]

...perhaps just dip the entire plane in penetrating oil.

[@dloadthis1617]

@@FreqBand HAHAHAHAHAHAHA 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@mr.t7178]

I'm pretty sure its a Lil more complicated than your Honda civic

[@Engineerd3d]

@@mr.t7178 your right. So show us how much more. Take apart your civic

[@darianistead2239]

Shouldn't need to free it up just to start in anyway.

[@EcHozz]

The urge to just help you is crazy, I’m a pilot and seeing this plane go from sitting for years to running makes me want to help so much ! I have a few friends that would love to help !

[@sherrigriffin4403]

I am not good with interiors, however the leather may be saved?!? I am excited for him also.

[@levimaxton6307]

I dont think you could help much.. being a pilot.

[@levimaxton6307]

@F. A. simple, mechanics would never befriend a pilot

[@christhew8553]

@@levimaxton6307 With an attitude like that, you probably don't have too much experience with having friends...like other trolls.

[@levimaxton6307]

@@christhew8553 nice trolling lol

[@BassetCat1]

I maintained an A model 401 for a Real Estate Broker in the early 80s. Seems like those engines are in the 285-300 hp range. It’s a sweet flying Aircraft! I believe you’ll get it flying again with a lot of donations! Gabe🇺🇸

[@dominicanpower361]

Great job. I used to build the interior of planes and that was a lot of work. You need to be the doctor of patience when dealing with planes. If this was a Netflix series I would watch every episode. Hope you get to keep it.

[@brustar5152]

After watching the whole vid; my suggestions would be; find a garage/bar to store stuff you remove then strip the entire interior to both clean it and allow for spar inspection do this firstly because even getting the engines to run will not occasion their cert's. so I'd leave them to last. All of the control surfaces, cables, and actuators need inspection and service before you can even proceed. No sense getting engines running but still uncertifiable to then also find the thing is a complete airframe corrosion write off. Dang, as a retired general machinist and high speed production equipment service business owner, it would be fun to wrench alongside you on what's almost certainly to be a voyage of discovery. I'm thinking long days of digging into her guts and sitting on milk crates in the evening with a chipped mug full of a good Bourbon mulling over whether what you found was the tipping point or just more encouragement to continue. LOL

[@weseng1]

Wrong. Owners statement was you can have if free if you can get it running not flying. Wake up.

[@jamesprice6381]

Make a killer man cave! :)

[@Chris11249]

Sounds fun I'd do it, if I was retired lol

[@gordon9995]

Agreed. Of course the interior is trash but he was looking for floor corrosion and I was thinking "screw the floor, better be looking at the spar. Also bet the gyros are shot. Maybe every instrument and all the avionics. Gives me the willies.

[@RandoWisLuL]

@@weseng1 so? all of it still stands. Hes got it for free. now what?

[@lfilson]

This is more than just an interesting "Will it start?" video, you've landed on a full-blown, build your channel into a beast, interesting as hell content concept. I'm not a pilot, but I find this extremely interesting. That Cessna will appeal to anyone who likes old cars and motorcycles like I do. If you did a 30 series on your bringing this thing back to some sort of good condition, you'll blow up your channel and I'll watch.

[@bigfrank3283]

this! you could easily end up with a million + subscibers with this project (this video already has 500k views), which i would imagine would more than pay for the costs of the rebuild and then you can keep going from there. Your production quality is already very high and you are obviously extremely knowledgeable.

[@erikperik1000]

Will it land?

[@lfilson]

@@bigfrank3283 Yeah, I totally agree. He's got 30K + subscribers right now, and from what I understand, once you get past a certain point, it starts to take on a life of it's own. I think that a lot of people would find this interesting and he could easily, as you said, use this build to increase your subscriber list dramatically. I watch Cleetus McFarland a lot, and he's done something similar with cars. He built most of his audience by building a drag car out of a corvette with no body. It's not very practical as a drag car or a street car but it was extremely interesting to watch. He's made so much money that now he owns his own race track. I get that this thing is prohibitively expensive to get going again, and I get that the engines are going to cost a fortune to redo, but what other options are there? Can they be replaced? Can this thing be turned into something else? I don't know, it's not just about planes and whether this one can be a real airplane again, this is KZbin. FIgure it out.

[@tankacebo9128]

509,000 views and rising in 6 days don't lie. this already has blown up. :-)

[@MsDesignDiva]

Couldn't agree more! Randomly discovered this video, I know nothing about mechanics or planes or anything like that but this is fascinating, and I'm not to the end of the video yet, but if he does get this started and gets to keep the plane, I'm subscribing and will stick around to watch a series about this.

[@denniswise1460]

Look at all the doubters in the comments😂😂😂. Rebuild Rescue has come a long way.

[@OneDayAtaTime-j1p]

When I was young I loved projects like this, now adays I'm thankful I can watch talented people on KZbin! Thanks for the nostalgia!😉

[@daleval2182]

Go to the shop, make some crafts, im old top, never say never, my PaPa died at 79, was working farm all day, came in had supper, good mood, died in his recliner, told his GF, just need a little nap?, that was in 87, im still waiting him get up and call me one hunting season lol

[@OneDayAtaTime-j1p]

@@daleval2182 I wish I could, I have 4 issues with my spine that pretty much make saying never nothing but wishful thinking dale. Love the positive attitude though and hope your new year is awesome man!

[@daleval2182]

@@OneDayAtaTime-j1p im sorry Dallas, I never concidered that my friend, i too have very bad legs, I still hobble, but i know some, a hobbles not even possible, God Bless you Brother

[@OneDayAtaTime-j1p]

@@daleval2182 no worries, I figured this was the case. Maybe I should have said something in the original comment. It's all good bro!

[@cantbearsedmate3686]

This got me checking for updates daily. Would love to see the plane rebuilt. Reckon you could even crowd fund the rebuild. Please more of this.

[@jackbefus628]

Last Oct/Nov we brought a 1970 Cessna 414 - almost identical o yours - out of San Angelo TX after sitting on the ramp in sun, sand, wind, rain, storms, for8 years. Over 6 distinct fuel leaks, struts would not hold air, brakes blew out ... and more. We managed to fly it out and ferry to its permanent home in Ionia MI to be a systems trainer for our A&P school. (SMAT) I kissed the ground after it’s final landing, and God was with us. You did a great job documenting. Can’t wait to hear the end of the story! Jack

[@johnd9357]

You actually flew a decrepit old plane home? Seems like a serious “risk it for the biscuit” situation.

[@francispressly8517]

This looks like an abandoned drug smugglers airplane that was sold at auction by the feds and never picked up by the buyer. As he says, this is the "station wagon" of aircraft. "If you can load it, you can haul it" allows an overloaded plane to maximize the haul and it is turbocharged to facilitate hauling weight and speed. Definitely a smugglers ideal aircraft. The interior looks like it was tossed in a search and just left. The guy who is paying storage on this thing wants it gone.

[@openhighwayproductions]

I had an obsession with buying/owning a Cessna 411 years back. The plan was to operate a Part 135 Charter service. However, the cost to buy and operated these twin engine monsters was cost prohibitive, thirty years ago, when Avgas was somewhat reasonable. So, this exploration is great to watch. I do have some time in a Cessna 421 Golden Eagle, owned by a local Tulsa, OK charter service operator, where I flew American Airline maintenance employees from Tulsa, OK to destinations throughout the country. Those 421 were like flying Cadillacs, smooth and powerful with them geared engines.

[@sundevilification]

414, my buddy!

[@magusd123]

In one of the airports I used to work at, there’s an old Cessna 310q model. A damn fine plane if looked after correctly. It’s in the same condition as this one and it breaks my heart seeing it left to rot. The owner of said wreck won’t part with it for less than $90000. Thing is you could by one thats well maintained for that ammount.

[@isaakcaves1245]

No way you can buy a good 310 for 90k

[@hylomane]

lmao 90k

[@saaamember97]

That's why he's still got a crap $90k plane!

[@imrangul6750]

Why not call airfields around to see if they have something lying around, you never know you might get lucky?

[@INSIGHTCO]

@@imrangul6750 Check Rolla, MO they have a small airport over there with this same type of aircraft.

[@213davidhunter]

You've earned another subscription with this! You need to come to a full agreement with the owner though before you spend anymore time. I am not a pilot, but it is a beautiful plane! Keep up the good work!

[@Hunter-xz9zl]

A written agreement!

[@N98858]

Jason... I just learned of Sam's Plight in the Cougar! My DEEPEST Condolences Sir, although I only knew Sam through your video series I genuinely admired and respected the man! Prayers for his eternal rest up above Sir! Mike~

[@ieetpeople4003]

My grandpa had one of these planes and it was the nicest ride I’ve ever had. He passed away shortly after getting his dream plane. I’d love to see this beauty restored and in the air where it belongs.

[@kemi242]

I'd love to see that beauty restored. If it doesn't fly an aviation museum would be a much better place for it than a scrapyard.

[@bennieboi7114]

Why would a museum want it? 😂😂😂😂

[@BMoArtist]

It would actually be crazy to see this plane professionally detailed. Some of the channels here on KZbin are able to produce some amazing results and it would be cool to see what could happen with this.

[@davidvelazquez9156]

exactly what i was about to comment

[@phiillzzz807]

Yeah but considering it was open for years and birds/rats lived inside, its beyond the point of detailing. That thing needs a renovation

[@donovanhill7367]

@@phiillzzz807 That's what I was thinking. The interior needs to be gutted and replaced.

[@dudethatsmycat]

@@donovanhill7367 nah just give it to that dude who details cars lol

[@phiillzzz807]

@@dudethatsmycat Ammo nyc?

[@RNZN102939]

how fortunate are you to have an opportunity of getting a twin engine aeroplane for free. I do believe that NOT getting it to fly again is a crime. If I were given an opportunity like this I would accept the challenge of bringing this bird back to life even though I know nothing about the mechanics and how to repair them. Would surely be using youtube and facebook to learn how to give it breath to come alive. Living in New Zealand there are no opportunities like what you have here. If it were given to me I would come and live until I breathed life into this bird. You are a very lucky man.

[@joyceholdeman5432]

Yes, we want to see every stage of the recovery. I can't wait until you get started!!

[@hooptierescue2540]

even with a locked up turbo, if it had spark and you were able to spray some carb cleaner into the intake somewhere it should fire up for a couple seconds, maybe long enough to get some oil pumped into the turbo to wet down its bearings such that when you get back you might be able to free it up. Or you could take off it's oil line and spray some of your penetrating oil down there. I don't think I'd trust that old gas. You might want to throw a couple of gallons of acetone in there to bring up the volatiles a bit, then find a way to spray something like that into the intake long enough for that hotter fuel to work its way down into the carbs/injectors. Maybe you could pull off the prop and attach like an automotive flywheel such that you could safely work on it while standing over it? Also, that leather interior looks like it would be salvageable. Just clean it really good with something like Awesome cleaner or simple green then rub lots of thin coats of Lexol leather treatment into the hides. I've brought them back from old luxury cars that have been sitting out in the sun and elements so long they're as tight as the skin on a banjo.

[@Timebeaver]

Absolutely, I want to see you restore this airplane!! I'd love to see a whole series of tear-down and restoration!!

[@TheLiverTea]

Given this video has 3 million views I think there'll at least be a few more videos on it lol

[@skyfever111]

the things you can do with some shiny rocks and some liquid dinosaur remains.... modern technology sure is amazing

[@tlself011]

What a blast from the past...I've flown most of the Cessna twins during my aviation career. The 400 series (402. 404, 414A) are my favorite but if I could afford to own another airplane, the 340 is probably the one I'd own. Since I'm also an A&P, I've had the opportunity to work on these airplanes. If you need any help, I could probably find time to give you a hand.

[@rebuildrescue]

Would love to have some help 👍🏼 Can’t wait to get this thing started !

[@pt5878]

awww your special

[@CilantroMegaCorp]

Help him out 🙌🙌🙌🤓

[@robertgreen6742]

Awesome! It would be great to see an experienced A & P viewer get the chance to give some expertise on this project!

[@texxstalker]

Sorry but what is A&P?

[@MrGerhardBarkhorn]

As to the air-frame, remove all of the damaged interior and any removable floor, top and side panels, mark them and store them, check for corrosion, blow out any dirt from under the floor panels. Leave the pilot seat in the aircraft. The avionics are most likely obsolete by now unless they are a more recent replacement. If so, carefully remove them and take take them home so wouldn't get stolen. Be careful with batteries and prevent any sparks so your project won't go up in flames. Remove all inspection panels and have the aircraft jacked up by an experienced A&P if the aircraft is on solid ground, a good time to inspect and service gear struts. You don't want a gear to collapse and destroy your props which may be the most valuable part of your project. Try to get some history on them. Get an IA to do a complete inspection and check for AD compliance while the aircraft is still on jacks, get a professional opinion and proper guidance from him. Look for needed used parts in 'Trade a Plane'. Realize your limitations and prevent any damage. Good luck to you, you're going to need it.

[@Lee-eu6wf]

SOLID advice

[@dickgenitalia1506]

Your last line sums it up rather nicely. This looks like something into which you put a half million dollars in order to get an aircraft worth $175,000. Best case some retired chaps that still have connections come together to help him out.

[@anonymousme927]

@@dickgenitalia1506 not half a million. Still - best thing is get rid of it for parts. Too much labour costs wasted otherwise for a super speculative item.

[@learmonkey3582]

Those McCauley propellers have corrosion issues on planes that fly 50 hours a year and are kept in a hangar. There’s no chance they are repairable. Even if they were, there are no log books. How many hours are on the blades? How many hours on the hubs? No one knows and there’s no way to figure it out. That makes them worthless, except as wall ornaments.

[@MrGerhardBarkhorn]

@@learmonkey3582 That would lower the value of this project being parted out substantially, never mind a restoration.

[@SirKenNorth]

As a lawyer my tingly senses immediately kick in when someone says "you can have it IF you fix it". The plane is worth significantly more if you can get the engines running. If they're willing to give it away for free after the engines are fixed, there's no good reason why they're not willing to give it away for free RIGHT NOW. Hopefully my cynicism is unwarranted.

[@acerjuglans383]

And why was it parked for so many years to begin with?? Who neglects a $200 000 plane, and then gives it away??

[@jayballuk]

I had exactly the same thought which I always do with these 'if you fix it you can have it' situations.

[@AcheForWake]

He has most probably already got an agreement with the owner to clear it, it just sounds good on a video and had the audience on his side (to watch to the end to see if he get it started and wins the prize). Good watch, I hope he sticks with it.

[@carminemurphy4836]

I never listen to an Attorney lecture on mechanical or electronics unless those were his / her additional areas of study and expertise.

[@carminemurphy4836]

I remember a lecture given when I was ten years old and listening closely, an Aircraft is a symphony of many systems working together and maintenance is different from an Automobile, so an Aircraft sitting on an Airfield so long needs many items replaced before you can attempting firing it up, there is a long prestart check list. Personally I would pull both engines and send them to a shop for freshening up and replace seals etc and recertification and clean bill of health by experts as well as a complete check of all other systems, as well as updating obsolete systems.

[@LionHeart_.]

Just make the engine run & you can have the whole entire aeroplane for free🤔🤔. If the world was really like that then what a wonderful world it would be

[@breakallegro]

I used to do avionics work in the military, and I can sympathize with you on the lack of space to do ANYTHING internal on any aircraft. Everything is specifically engineered to take up the least amount of space possible, so there is the absolute minimum of space in between those bulkheads and in the equipment bays...real knuckle bruisers for sure, then if you have safety wires on them you will end up losing a lot of blood from punctures and scrapes...

[@KillianDeaton]

Nonners will never understand

[@vontrimble7183]

Going to need a Certified engine with logs for FAA Airworthiness. $$$$$$$ for Overhaul at a minimum. Going to be an expensive ride to say the least. Good luck 👍.

[@justincalkins8806]

I would love to watch this plane be restored. You got the makings of a great series here.

[@michaelwilkinson7128]

I really enjoyed watching this episode. Very easy to follow. Would love to see the engine started and full restoration of this aircraft. You can't beat this offer, if you can get the engine started you can have the aircraft.

[@JacobAnawalt]

1:09:40 - Mags over turbo. Fuel, fire, air. When you're cranking the engine over (which seems slow) you aren't making enough exhaust to spool the turbo. A non-spinning turbo shouldn't keep it from starting. You could remove the ducting and let it normally aspirate, it should at least attempt to start if it has fuel, fire, and air. You could have pulled a plug and had it sit, wired up, against the engine with a camera on it to see if it's sparking.

[@Latingent50]

The gentleman who claims to have over 50 years in the aviation business makes a lot of sense in his comment, I totally agree with him, but if you still end up even attempting to make that thing fly again, I want to applaud your courage, and wish you the best of luck in that endeavour. I look forward to see it happen, good luck!!

[@CR3W1SH03S]

A couple of things. The turbo wont keep the engine from firing... at least for testing. You'll just be down on power. You also want to wire the batteries in series for 24v. At 12v, you will pull too much current and burn out the starter.

[@atubebuff]

Exactly this. Let it naturally aspirate and maybe check the mags/plugs for spark, fuel filter and carb. It might be easier to plumb a temporary gas tank rather than rely on the existing ones.

[@IBMDOCTOR]

+1 on turbo , few $ extension/adapter and you can see if it sparks

[@frigzy3748]

why would 12v cause more current? Lower voltage = lower current from the ohm's law.

[@CR3W1SH03S]

@@frigzy3748 Current is drawn trough a circuit based on the load applied to it. In a motor circuit, rather than Ohms law which applylies to a purely resistive circuit, you should apply Watts law. P=IE. For the same power, reducing the voltage requires a higher current to balance the equation. It's why a lot of higher power motor circuits (trucks and apparently planes) use 24v so that they can use smaller gauge wire because it's drawing less current. Same thing with high tension power transmission lines. 10s of thousands of volts allow for smaller cables.

[@frigzy3748]

@@CR3W1SH03S that would be right if the starter motor was drawing same power at 12 and 24v. However, for purposes of this discussion, it's just a plain resistor. The resistance is fixed. So higher voltage will cause higher current and vice versa. Yes - the motor has some inductance, but we operate with DC current so it can be disregarded.

[@misterguts]

42:35 "Could we get this airplane flying again?" Maybe, but not cheaply. This plane was never properly mothballed, it's a total loss. You'd have to do a complete inspection/renovation of the air frame, the engines, the interior, and the avionics. Anything rusty or bird-shitted gets tossed and a new part purchased. It would be a full-time project for a licensed mechanic, and you'd have to rent a hangar for months to do this. It would be a lot like jacking the old airplane up and sliding a new plane underneath.

[@ProjectHyena]

Yes.....very true. More than likely will cost more that it is actual current prize.

[@kjisnot]

Not knowing a thing about airplanes my first thought was, what is this thing worth as scrap metal? I guess it's good for YT clicks in the meantime.

[@chaser9889]

I've heard my boss tell that same line to a guy, except with a old wood boat. We rebuilt that boat and dumped a quarter of a million into it because it meant something to him.. but we all know rich guys just love the rescue story.

[@lmlmd2714]

Yep. I don't think it could fly again - but it'd be good to restore for static display in a museum

[@montylc2001]

My thoughts exactly. I'm an A&P, avionics tech and pilot. You can't let a plane set for a year, much less a decade without some major work and inspections. Lord knows I would not dare fly it!!!

[@vickyburton2434]

I hope you can restore this baby to its beautiful old glory. What a treasure!

[@beastwerks]

As an A&P mechanic/pilot/ Engineer with 30+ years in Aerospace I can inform most viewers that working on aircraft components is somewhat mechanically similar to other automotive and agricultural devices EXCEPT that the processes are far more stringent regulatory-wise along with the necessary tooling/test equipment. This would be akin to taking a Ferrari to someone's backyard mechanic...they're probably not going to have the specialized knowledge & equipment. The author here seems to have a strong mechanical aptitude but definitely little knowledge of aircraft. I shudder anytime I see someone turn a prop through with the plugs/wires attached. On a plane that has been sitting there is no guarantee that the magneto is safely grounded which could could send a spark to the cylinder! Also, this isn't a lawn mower...simply dumping some oil in a cylinder which is obviously corroded is likely to do more harm than not. It doesn't take much time or effort to remove each jug (cylinder) and give it a quick freshening. This cylinder can be cleaned up a bit and even honed if necessary, along with the ability to look at the valve/seat conditions. Yes this adds a couple of days to the project, but could mean the difference in causing irreparable damage. Yeah, I understand this is more of a you tube video just to show it can be done...but if parts can be salvaged it is wise to spend a little time. As the author mentioned aircraft components are VERY expensive! There is no doubt that so long as this airframe is not so poorly corroded that it would be deemed permanently unairworthy that this bird could not be made to fly again...all it takes is time and money! Even getting the engine(s) to run could be worthwhile just to salvage parts. An engine core alone can be worth $10k. So good luck...and above all stay safe!

[@jacob7300]

I thought maintenance was only allowed to be done by a certified mechanic. As I got my PPL, we learned we weren't allowed to do amything ourselves.

[@maxperry1635]

beastwerks You said "This would be akin to taking a Ferrari to someone's backyard mechanic". You inspired great analogies here. How about taking a vintage $45,000 chronograph watch to a guy at a mall jewelry store for inspection and repairs? How about hiring green inexperienced construction company to do full restoration on a magnificent classic old home?

[@makarthamin]

I’m seriously glad I wasn’t the only one flinching at the hand proping, especially with so much corrosion you know those mags aren’t going to be grounded properly making them hot and ready to go. It’s been so long though since I’ve been in GA I’m unfamiliar with those mags. They look like bendix? But yeah you’re playing with a live grenade metaphorically and a man sized meat blender not so metaphorically. Best case you break an arm, worst case someone is shoveling your giblets off the ramp.

[@overlord8880]

This needs to be TOP COMMENT.

[@darrienscott7048]

Im am aircraft mechanic and an IA. Been a mechanic for 15 years and ive worked everything from small Cessna to 747-800 and I would absolutely love to get a free plane to troubleshoot and fix.

[@MajorCaliber]

So what you say it would cost, "tank and plank", and everything to get an Airworthiness Cert back current for this bird, (NOT with your free labor)... $80k ??

[@MrJdsenior]

@@MajorCaliber My guess is 80K would barely get you started.

[@jebb125]

it is not at all fun, I got a V35A 30 years ago for 3k, took 20 years to get her flyable, I was the A&P and IA, with help of friends. almost everything had to be rebuilt or reskinned, the E185 was the only thing I did not have to overhaul but did it anyway.

[@SlimPickins_07]

@@MajorCaliber 80k just to get the instruments and controls working/up to date. One of those engines is more than that.

[@John-kd4ef]

Better to take the money that you would have spent restoring this degraded machine (inside and out) and go out and buy yourself a used Cessna in good condition. The sooner you can get her flying, the happier you will be.

[@rickredfern5590]

I owned/flew a 414 (pressurized version of the same airplane) for years. Your assessment of things like fuel flow and capacity were spot on. Rich of peak, 40-42GPH total burn to keep the cylinders cool. Lean of peak and pulled way back, would burn around 12 per side, so 24GPH, and that would get me about 180 kts TAS in the mid teens altitude wise. If they’re not RAM engines, they should be 315HP per side. Really fantastic flying airplane, but one of those where something breaks each time you fly it. Really great video, I’ve loved watching this!!

[@LTD99649]

I got a "free" 65 foot long boat like that once. MISTAKE. Nearly cost me a small fortune to dispose of it, until I found another sucker to take it off my hands.

[@internetsguy3506]

Having done flight safety on a 421 I got a bit of a kick out of how long it took to find the battery :) Looking forward to seeing this start up!

[@drew-et1mm]

I’ve gotten half way threw this. I love the intelligent curiosity he has. I love his aircraft innocence but his prior experience as a mechanic keeps his head above water. Gotta keep watching to the end.

[@michaelrh2008]

"through"

[@tcasaa1414]

Dude, stick to working on JEEPS!

[@maxperry1635]

drew Green no nothing newbies diving into highly advanced skilled trade and technical work have very predictable outcomes. There are countless qualified inspectors in every imaginable specialized field that can attest to this.

[@martinmyrtle]

I'd suggest that if the "cost of ownership" is that you get one or both engines to run, then go for it. After that, it's a salvage job. The cost to repair, WAY exceeds the value of the unit. Those engine cores may be worth $5,000 each side. There's also a Wing Spar AD on the 400 Series Piston Cessnas, which can tend to run over $100,000 to complete. Part that bitch and buy a 172.

[@luke_foster]

This video came up in my recommended videos and wow, blown away by this guy’s knowledge! It’s always really cool seeing people’s skills they’ve acquired! Look forward to the next video!

[@cas2662]

With the algorithm on your side you should abosolutely make a series out of this. Great video and very interesting to watch.

[@troythegardener]

So glad I came across this video, this was superb. A restoration series on this would be a brilliant niche, hopefully you can do this and get sponsors to pay for all the work!

[@rebuildrescue]

Troy, thank you for joining us here on the channel ! We’ve thought about getting some sponsors and creating a go fund me to help get this project off the ground but need to dig into it a bit more to make sure it makes sense

[@psycotria]

@@rebuildrescue Wing spar corrosion may doom the airframe to the scrapyard. Everything will need to be removed, including the skin, and completely rebuilt. The turbochargers are expensive to maintain and will need serious attention. An annual alone is expensive. Overhauled engines cost well over $50K each, with good cores to exchange. The stainless steel exhaust system is expensive to maintain. High pressure hydraulic hoses replace, etc. etc. Good luck on the project. Buy a well maintained fixed-gear plane if you want to actually fly. It may take 10 years to make that airworthy again.

[@headfirst6227]

This is a must see before buying a cheap (or any) airplane. So many ads look good but sellers can hide anything. A good buyer's agent would be very advisable for online purchases.

[@crisferguson430]

What a project bro! So one thing to check in the ignition is the "shower of sparks unit" those are -200 series mags and they do not have impulse couplings and most likely they are rusted up like the rest of the plane , but as an A&P IA and an S, M Comm. I would say everything needs to be overhauled and/or replaced. cool that your giving it a try good luck!

[@jayc4283]

you pay extra for "Shower of Sparks" in Vegas.

[@Meatball2022]

@@jayc4283 yep. In Tijuana it’s usually given after the tiger show….

[@Sean2002FU]

@@Meatball2022 man! you guys need to go to Thailand!!....you ain't seen shower of nothing!

[@Daakor]

This is probably one of the first plane videos that I sat down and watched in full awesome video man keep it up!

[@davidsteinhour5562]

48:12 it always surprises me when other mechanics don't know about electricity. 2x 12v in series would get you 24v. And you don't have to worry about oversupply of amperage. Basically, the starter would draw as much as it needs and no more (unless there was an internal short or you tried to start a seized motor)

[@codilankford6173]

Exactly. You could hook up 20 batteries and as long as the final voltage was 24 the unit will only draw as much amperage as is needs. I was just getting ready to comment this and im happy to see someone beat me to it.

[@MallV0lli0]

@@codilankford6173 Exactly. You could hook up 20 batteries and as long as the final voltage was 24 the unit will only draw as much amperage as is needs. I was just getting ready to comment this and im happy to see someone beat me to it.

[@WinnebagoBrewingCo]

From watching this video he doesn’t seem like that good of mechanic either. It’s amazing how convincing confidence can be when somebody lacks competence.

[@j5892000]

Exactky. I was looe uh what? Too much amperage? Huh? Lol

[@j5892000]

@@WinnebagoBrewingCo lol confidence is key even if it's wrong lol

[@charlessmith3690]

aluminum corrosion, this engine is toast.

[@supermendi0078]

Respect brother, you’ve really put some effort and dedication into this. I learned so much today that even if you don’t manage to start it up lemme tell ya, it wasn’t for nothing. We really appreciate these videos, and I personally thank you for doing this and posting it cuz it really helps me to understand planes better, and how they can degrade as they’re left out exposed to the elements.

[@JohnRodriguesPhotographer]

I promise my last comments. The turbochargers depending on the practices of the pilot or pilots, may not have been allowed to cool down enough before engine turn off. The bearings themselves could be completely gummed up and maybe slightly corroded at the same time. I would try your trick with the two-stroke motor oil and just force feed it into the shaft where the lubricating oil is pumped from the engine. You get down to brass tacks you can even spray PB blaster directly into it. It's not like you can break a frozen turbocharger more. Just an idea.

[@michaelroberts9253]

2 stroke pj1pro

[@mgodbee]

Do a series on this please! Best channel I've come across in a while. Watched the entire video which is rare and looks like everyone agrees lol. Would love to see this in the sky again one day

[@Rizzbulla]

Glad I found this channel, this guy is awesome. Even if that was scrap, I'd ship it to some property and turn it into a tiny home or something lol

[@michaelcopper9993]

I’m sure there’s a lot of people that would like to volunteer their time to help you out just because they have an interest in what you’re doing and how you do it.

[@treylyde999]

Ya I wish I could edit or hang out

[@GiuseppeGibilmanno]

rather than time, offer their money

[@will1867]

Umm no that's allot of work and as a licensed A&P mechanic unless it's a WW2 historical plane we aren't working for free.

[@Andrew-hp1yj]

I'd love to watch a full series of a complete restore. Go for it!!

[@SharpCosmos]

This is genuinely an interesting video, you don't make a it stale , you keep it an enjoyable experience throughout the entire video. Keep up the good work, I'll love to see the next video (assuming you're making a series on it). You got yourself a subscriber.

[@rebuildrescue]

Thank you for sharing such inspirational words ! Glad you’re here !

[@rtgbhnkbn7004]

not every one could understand making a rustted damaged machine back to alive, how satisfaying and respect to machine

[@donc9751]

Gotta hand it to you for dedication!!!! The mice probably discovered those turbos and ran them like a mouse wheel until the bearings locked up!

[@QBRX]

Yeah, the mice probably ran them so fast they burned up the bearings.

[@rogerhendersonhenderson5724]

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[@rogerhendersonhenderson5724]

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[@rogerhendersonhenderson5724]

Squirt some gas dow

[@AudioMasters]

Turbo's actually dont make a bit of difference until you reach a certain rpm.So it should run without them turning. At least at quarter throttle. I would check to see if its getting any fire to the plugs. Also i have seen in past experience someone has installed and hidden a dead switch to keep the plane starting.

[@trading-university.]

Correctamundo. It will start without turbos spinning. I would be checking all the wiring in case the mice have chewed some, in addition to the mags and fuel lines to the engine

[@localenterprisebroadcastin5971]

Yeah ….so here’s the problem with that..if the turbo is seized then the compressor/turbine shaft seal is also probably shot…starting the engine could fill the intake full of engine oil QUICKLY resulting in hydro locking one or more of the cylinders, I know this because I’ve had it happen 😂…been wrenching a long time and my advice is NEVER start an engine with a bad turbo, seriously there’s sooo much that can go wrong and turbos will destroy a perfectly serviceable engine

[@netlans]

If the turbo is locked up it is a major restriction in the intake system. If you bypass the turbo it should start.

[@netlans]

@@localenterprisebroadcastin5971 Here's the thing. The motor is already trash. a non spinning turbo is a restriction, bypass the turbo long enough to get it started, no chance of oil and problem solved. How long is a long time wrenching?

[@picobyte]

Exactly

[@OurgateProductions]

Hi Dude, Love your enthusiasm :-) For the record, a seized turbo wont stop the engine starting and running. It simply won't make boost and therefore wont make correct power output. But will run and idle just fine on a fine feathered prop. Good luck.

[@imtheonevanhalen1557]

Yeah, and judging by how flimsy the intake hose was......it doesn't make much pressure anyway.

[@earlwoody7084]

Exactly what I was saying when I watched 👍

[@rodmacd8229]

I looked for this comment before I made my own redundant response. And yes it will absolutely run with out the turbo functioning. I was kind of shocked he didn't know it to be honest.

[@davidc4162]

@@rodmacd8229 Me too! and the comment about too many amps. WAT?!

[@davidc4162]

I'm surprised he doesn't know more about how turbochargers work. The bottom chunk of throttle they are't doing anything DEFINITELY not going to prevent it from starting up. I think what really got me was the way he said it as if it was totally true, not just an idea or possible explanation.

[@billwaller9442]

Nice work, freeing up #2 getting oil in all cylinders and getting some compression. Lots more to do, but I like your enthusiasm. I've flown the $01, 402, 421, 340 owned a 414 & two 310's. I'll be watching. Bill

[@oibal60]

In adding air to the front strut of a Cessna 182, we have to tilt and hold the nose up off the ground. Two of us are sitting on the tail whilst a third guy is, via Schrader valve connector, adding air from a compressor, set to 100psi. You would need 800+psi to 'successfully' add air to a wheel strut that's on the ground.

[@magedazouz7767]

This is what I call a passion, a crazy and good passion, I admire your tone, patience and knowledge.

[@cbonz7734]

After nearly 50 years in the aviation business I have to tell you this airplane is scrap. The engines are required to be overhauled by a certified shop due to the lockup condition and lack of logbooks. Everything that has an overhaul requirement based on calendar time or hours will need overhauling by a certified shop. The airframe corrosion may not be fixable. The props are probably due overhaul and the whole thing is years and years out of annual, IFR certifications, pitot/static certs, avionics to include ads-b and on and on. Your costs will be way more than the thing is worth. Finding an IA to sign off anything will be hard if not impossible.

[@kennethmcdonald4807]

Even if it were perfect it still couldn't be operated economically. Piston twins are completely obsolete, that niche is now being filled by single engine turboprops. 401's are yesterday's technology and cheap for a reason.

[@markg4459]

I fly a '69 Baron with the same engines (io-520s but without turbos). It's a well-maintained great flying plane that will carry 6 folks at 185 kts. You can call it obsolete -- I love it. 4 hr drive vs 40 min flight makes it a time-machine for our family.

[@DoNotEatPoo]

I'm more worried about the bird poo on the tires. Clean that off and it'll be instantly air worthy. Lack of log books mean you can use your imagination - for example, just pretend those are freshly rebuilt engines when parked.

[@aaron5222]

@@DoNotEatPoo yeah pft let it rip

[@Mox3712]

Never underestimate the power of money that KZbin brings. It can and may happen.

[@41stpilot]

I could of sworn Jason was Kratos from God of War. If they make a movie they should cast you. This channel is awesome. Kratos fixing planes. Can't get any better

[@Seriously_Unserious]

If you're making a series out of this restoration, you'll have found a new subscriber. Looks like restoring this plane should be a fun challenge for you. Just hope you're going to get an experienced aviation mechanic to inspect the frame to make sure it's still air worthy, and let you know what can/needs to be done to make it not only run, but be safe to fly.

[@phxcppdvlazi]

Hell nah man. Just fly it. People these days are too soft and scared, life is all about taking risks. If you want to be safe, stay home. Lock yourself in your room and stay in bed all day. Same goes for any so called "pandemic." My grandpa who fought in WWII wouldn't bother inspecting the airframe, that would be a slap-in-the-face to the draftsmen who worked out this beautiful craft. If airplanes are supposedly so safe to fly, then why do we need airframe inspections for?

[@christophermccrary8080]

@@phxcppdvlazi 2 words can easily explain why. METAL FATIGUE

[@QuestionThings123]

@@phxcppdvlazi aging: exists

[@ollie4022]

@@phxcppdvlazi It would be fine to do that if you were only endangering yourself. What if that plane were to come down on a town? That kind of attitude is how people get killed pal.

[@alexanderenericavanwyk9909]

If you have enough money you can get it flying safely. But i work on those cessnas every day, and i can tell you that aircraft is scrap. Just looking at the corrosion i can see before opening any panels, i can see major problems with the structure. To fix it will cost you more than buying a new one from the factory. It was parked for a reason.

[@soggybiscotti8425]

I have no clue how the algorithm knew this is exactly what I wanted to see, having never looked at anything remotely like aviation repairs. But I'm glad it was recommended to me. You made a brilliant video my friend, and I hope you continue and make this a series. This is a fascinating video and I appreciate the effort you put in to making it. Keep up the great work 👍

[@rebuildrescue]

Thank you for watching 👍🏼

[@robertr6675]

Why need algorithm?

[@Echoesoftimelover]

@@robertr6675 Think about it

[@soggybiscotti8425]

@@robertr6675 why did you think that was a reasonable question to ask?

[@soggybiscotti8425]

@@Echoesoftimelover only the best & brightest on KZbin it seems 🙄 I love mechanical/electrical engineering, and your every man's project. And this was the perfect combination of a little of column A and a little of column B. However, it's not every day you see your average guy refurbishing a twin engine, turbocharged aircraft that's been left to the elements and working to get it started for the challenge. What a great guy, and a great video. No nonsense, no frills, no ego. Just straight to the point of hard work on an intricate engine from a time when this aircraft was the best of the best, to modern day. Absolutely brilliant. And I love that he's not some overly eccentric presenter, making up nonsense or exdurating the issues. Just a straight up rebuild done tough. No workshop, no excessive funding. Just a man with a challenge. Brilliant. I hope some day I get the time and the opportunity to take on a similar project. What an experience. And you can really see his love for it in the fact that his focus is purely on the mechanical aspect of the aircraft. If he is ever in Australia by chance or I were in his part of the US, this is the kind of man I would want to have a steak dinner with and pick his brain. You'll never see an opportunity quite like it. A truly, genuinely fascinating man.