REMEMBER THE CANTERBURY ⋅ THE EXPANSE ⋅ S1 ⋅ Ep3 ⋅ REACTION

This episode was really good regarding getting to know more about Mars and its people, not to mention the revelation of certain characters and their true nature.
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[@andiecph]

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[@zolahVR]

It's not just one ship bringing in ice, but losing one ship that carries ice means they lose enough water to trigger rationing. It's not just they lost that 1 shipment that was on the Canterbury when it destroyed, they lost ALL ice Canterbury was gonna bring in next month, and the month after, and the month after, and until a new ice hauler gets in the bussiness to replace the Cant, Ceres government (controlled by representatives from Earth) have to calculate with less water every single month. Water is not just something they drink. They use a lot of water to grow crops, to ferment protein using bacteria, to make oxygen (to breathe) and hydrogen (important component of fuel pellets and essential industrial gas) and the ships side thrusters that rotate the ships (RCS thrust) also work with superheated water. They can't move their ships without water, they can't breath without water. There's an insanse amount of water in the Solar System, but everything is far away, so they are relying on a lot of ships delivering ice ON TIME, reliably, because if one ship is lost or late, than somebody will not get enough water. It can't be oxygen production that doesn't get, it can't be agriculture, it can't be fuel pellet manufacturing. It's gonna be your shower/dishwashing water. That's why there's 'on time bonus' that they were gonna lose if they don't bring the ice on time to Ceres.

[@quegs]

We see Havelok learning Belter Creole, which involves a significant amount of hand gestures (very vital to have a visual aspect to your language, when much of the time you’re going to be communicating in the vacuum of space). Jump to “hands where I can see them.” Since Naomi is a Belter, she’s more likely to communicate (even subconsciously) with gestures - so basically, Lt. Lopez is forcing Naomi have no cover from the interrogation. Last thing: Ceres is the largest and arguably most important single station in the Belt, but there are hundreds (likely thousands) of Belter stations and outposts - not to mention Belters who have spent most of their lives on ships with no “home port.” All that is to say: Ceres is the Belt, but the Belt is not just Ceres. Kind of like calling anyone from the US a New Yorker.

[@andiecph]

oh this makes a lot of sense! thank you for explaining :D

[@kirkdarling4120]

Naomi understood that, which is why she carefully kept her hands pinned flat on the table top.

[@SuperByakhee]

Just to add to the above, regarding Belters using their hands to talk, the gesture naomi makes is the belter equivalent of giving the interogator the middle finger.

[@kirkdarling4120]

@@SuperByakhee She was saying "I know why you want to see my hands, so read _this!"_

[@quegs]

IMO Chrisjen Avasarala is the best written politician in sci-fi TV. Just to clarify: Earth is now almost certain than Mars DIDN’T blow up the Cant, because by manipulating her longtime friend, earth intelligence was able to see Mars “taking inventory” in a panic to check to see if anything was missing (so it’s very unlikely that Mars was making a concerted effort to start a war by blowing up an ice hauler). Chrisjen is absolutely ruthless, largely because she has to be. She’s essentially third-in-line to run Earth, and Earth has no shortage of enemies.

[@andiecph]

she is really good, a bit scary though. and thank you for explaining, I didnt understand how they knew that about mars just because of the inventory

[@y00t00b3r]

@@andiecph Yeah, this is one of those scenes that becomes a head-slapper when you watch it a second or third time. And the next time you watch it, you see her in a different light, when you *know* she's being manipulative when she's talking to him over dinner. The first time through, it seems innocent. On later viewing, it's chilling.

[@BrunoBarata78]

The Interrogator, Lt Lopez was indeed as you guessed throwing accusations and statements to get a reaction out who he was interrogating. The "focus drugs" he took make him hyper aware and his training allows him to interpret the reactions of the person being interrogated, tuning him effectively into a human lie detector. But He's not a mind reader, he does have access to an extensive database with files on everyone of our group, public and otherwise. In the last episode Alex (the martian Pilot) did say the the Donnager's jammers where in range, but he didn't actually know they had them on. If Mars had indeed destroyed the Canterbury and if they and come to finish the job, it stands to reason they probably would have. People from Ceres are Belters, there's belters all over the solar system, Ceres isn't the only station in the belt, in fact there's hundreds if not thousands of stations and outposts all over the "Outer Planets" Julie is indeed from earth, the OPA (Outer Planets Alliance) will just about take anyone who is willing to fight for them. But the OPA is also not uniform as it's really a collective of dozens of different factions. Cumprimentos de Portugal!

[@Yesquire0]

Holden's radio broadcast was exactly the right thing for him to do. He put the commander of the Donager in a tight position. If the MCRN killed or imprisoned the crew of the Knight, that would be viewed by the public as a confession that Mars had nuked the Cant. But the Martians don't want to be blamed for nuking the Cant, and the best way to establish that would be to treat the shutlle crew fairly and eventually have them agree to give a statement that they really don't know who fired that nuke, taking Mars off the hook.

[@andiecph]

yes, that makes a lot of sense

[@troywilliams2777]

I don't think I will ever get tired of watching people discover this amazing series! Your reactions are particularly enjoyable so far.

[@andiecph]

thank you so much ^^

[@michaelkreitzer1369]

The signal got out because while the jammers were in range, they apparently weren't on is my guess. The Mars crew were probably expecting to find a bunch of OPA terrorists on board and didn't anticipate such a message.

[@gregweatherup9596]

You’ve since seen episode 4 so this isn’t a spoiler. They were in range of the Donager’s jammers, but that doesn’t mean the jammers were turned on at the time. The Donager crew were on a rescue mission, thus there’s no reason why they would of had their electronic jammers on - the Canterbury survivors however mistakenly thought the martians were behind the attack and rather than coming to rescue them were instead coming to “finish them off”. Holden’s message suddenly put Mars into a pickle - hence why the crew immediately arrested the survivors.

[@andrewcharles459]

There's not only one ship to bring ice. The thing is, now there's one LESS ship. Hence the rationing.

[@hoos3014]

Great reaction and pick up on what the Martian interegator was doing with the focus drugs; some reacters never get that. The Outer Planets Alliance (OPA) is a (very) loose coalition of factions throughout the Belt, not just Ceres. I won't overdescribe it, since you'll learn a lot more about it in upcoming episodes, but it is perceived to be somewhere between a trade association and nest for Belter radicals. There was no reason for Miller to arrest or even question someone just for having OPA tats. Ceres is the largest city in the Belt but it is owned and run by Earth corporations, which only adds to the animosity the people living there feel.

[@andiecph]

thank you so much ^^ and thank you for explaining!

[@anthonydakhin4225]

I just wanted to write the same about the OPA :) good thing I refreshed the page first lol

[@SuperByakhee]

regarding the treatment of OPA in Ceres, and elsewhere in the belt, compared to Earth and Mars' attitudes: "One man's Terrorist, is another man's Freedom Fighter" pretty much covers the difference.

[@Sawyer1982OAC]

About the Martian interrogator, you are right, the drug enhances his "perception" so he can better read better. And the odd questions I always think is to try and get them off guard...

[@andiecph]

oh yeah, didnt think of that. I just thought they were kinda odd

[@MattNolanCustom]

in any good interrogation, the interrogator will start with questions to which they already know the answer in order to get baseline readings on how the subject answers truthfully, or lies. This then helps them figure out better whether the subject is lying later on, to the important questions.

[@andiecph]

@@MattNolanCustom wow that is great intel :D thank you!

[@br3wmaster]

You are a very observant reactor. You are picking up on things that not everybody does in their first watch through. Looking forward to seeing the rest of these and following you on this journey. It takes a while for the payoffs to really pop off in this series but trust me, the payoffs do come.

[@andiecph]

Thank you so much, I get very nervous when watching this series as it's so complex but very interesting. I'm glad you're enjoying, it's going to be a long ride 😄

[@danbadd]

With regards to Holden's message reaching Ceres: Alex said they were within range of the jammers, but that doesn't mean Mars was trying to jam their signal. Also, you are correct about the Martian focus drug enhancing the interrogator's perception so he could notice micro-expressions. Loving your reactions! 😉👍

[@andiecph]

thank you so much Dan ^^

[@charleshartley9597]

Andie, the ten minutes of speculation at the end of your watch is why we are all here. This show is so good, and things are just getting started! Cheers!

[@andiecph]

now you've made my day! I'm always worried I talk to much and say silly things, so thank you for this ^^

[@charleshartley9597]

@@andiecph You are most welcome! Just imagine we are either shaking our heads while you shoot out ideas, or nodding when you're on the right track. And probably smiling the whole time as you experience this show for the first time, something we can only do through reactors like you :)

[@Sir_Alex]

Anderson Dawes is played by Jared Harris, an amazing actor.

[@andiecph]

he is indeed ^^

[@kevintaylor7627]

Great guess that the pill the Martian interrogator takes is to better read micro-expressions. The show tries to tell this without words by zooming in on faces, eyes and dilating pupils whenever the pills are used.

[@andiecph]

yeah I got that when the camera focused on his eyes and then I figured it was the micro-expressions because the camera was zooming in on their faces, so it was just a matter of connecting the dots :)

[@syngyne]

Yeah, it's why he kept telling Naomi to keep her hands on the table, so he could pick up any little twitches if she were lying.

[@PsychoMuffinSDM]

Sure, earthers and martians can be OPA. Anyone can side with anyone, really. It just depends on the characters loyalties, history, motivations, etc. what I love is the choices characters make actually makes sense with what we know (or will later find out) about them. It’s just good writing!

[@andiecph]

it really is! everything is so well made

[@davemchard1530]

Really enjoying your reactions to this, you get so involved. Love the background you've chosen, very apt.

[@feudist]

Mars has a very unique cultural mix. Alex is from the region that was settled by people from India and ...Texas. The unlikely love child that results is a mixed ethnicity of South Asian space cowboys who speak with a deep West Texas drawl and love twangy Country music. Like Alex. Saints preserve us.

[@andiecph]

I love his character and that accent is just dreamy :D

[@Yesquire0]

A better understanding of the asteroid belt is helpful in the understanding of the story being told. It is huge, and nothing like what is generally depicted in movies and TV shows. Here is a link to a neat video showing all known asteroids moving over time in their orbits: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJfZoGCLn8eSp80 A lot of asteroids orbit Sol on paths that intersect Earth's orbit. A lot orbit in the vicinity of Jupiter. As a whole, they form a torus with many of them ouside the ellitical plane upon which the planetary orbits align. One very large asteroid upon which a human settlement might be constucted might be 180 degrees opposite from Ceres and orbiting Sol out near the orbit of Jupiter. If so, a trip from Ceres might easily take about ten months one way. I surmise from the distances involved that The Belt will not be conducive to any sort of central government. Instead, anarchy is likely, or maybe lots of warlords with smaller territories to control. We have been told that piracy is rampant, making it likely that the OPA is a bunch of lossely allied pirate-controlled fiefdoms with a common interest in opposing any policing efforts by the UN or Mars and in not killing each other fighting over territory. It is uncommon, despite the billions of asteroids, to ever see two or more of them near to each other. It is rare that a ship would ever need to dodge one, and a blind pilot could fly from Venus to Jupiter withour ever getting near an asteroid. Ouer space is vast. In reality, space farers will almost never be faced with asteroids bunched so close together that a ship would need to be piloted like a car on an expressway during rush hour.

[@texn7526]

Freaking awesome reaction! Thanks so much Andie🥰Loving this tv series so far!

[@andiecph]

thank you ^^ have you never watched it before?

[@texn7526]

@@andiecph never seen any of the series, i'm considering getting them for myself🙂👍

[@andiecph]

@@texn7526 this one is really good, I def recommend watching when you have the time ;)

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

10:40 So, the way things are, *if* a war started between Earth and Mars, Earth's strategic analysis tells them the only way to win is to go all in, right at the start. Crisjen's first goal is to prevent a war, but if she can't stop it, she'll win it.

[@ducktape160]

You got over 1k subs. Well done girl

[@andiecph]

Thank you 😁 and thank you for the support ❤️ wouldn't have done it without you guys 😊

[@ducktape160]

If you every need a short series to fill a gap, maybe Chernobyl, Jarryd Harris is in it too @@andiecph

[@andiecph]

@@ducktape160 I have heard of that series :) need to put it in my list to watch next

[@ducktape160]

@@andiecph it comes with a tissue warning. Just so that you come prepared

[@andiecph]

@@ducktape160 good, I like series that hit me in the feels

[@quegs]

The OPA stands for “Outer Planets Alliance.” We will definitely learn more about them in the coming episodes, but regarding your question about the difference in treatment: the belter being tortured in ep 1 was caught smuggling stealth composites (highly sensitive and illegal military tech). The Belters with OPA tattoos on Ceres are just living their lives and aren’t guilty of any particular crimes (unless they are). I can’t think of a real-world analogue that won’t end up with me putting my foot in my mouth, but it’s essentially the difference between, I dunno, having a tattoo of your home sports team in your local bar, versus getting caught trying to plant drugs in the locker room of a much bigger rival team.

[@adamwells9352]

One of the things the show emphasizes is that Earthers have the luxury of idealism; I've always assumed that was why Havelock was learning the Creole--so he could really "make a difference," whatever that might mean... I also assumed Holden's message got out because the signal was unexpectedly strong (thanks, Naomi, and kinda arrogant of the Martians to jam lazily). Naomi's hand signal was a rude gesture. In theory, anybody could be OPA, in the same way, I suppose, that anyone could be PLA or IRA or ETA here in our time. (So, it's pretty effing rare.)

[@seraph6758]

Mars soil is looking very good (from recent samples) I think it will be more than possible. I bet there is still more beneath the surface to discover 😊👍

[@NewAeonWarlord]

Ceres is just one station in the asteroid belt. Belters are not all from Ceres. It's similar for the OPA. OPA is not a homogenous organization. it's more something that emerges from a lot of places and groups around the belt and people who call themselves OPA or support the OPA are not synonymous with terrorists. SOME OPA people sure are terrorists, others are just activists or just general "belter freedom"-supporters. similarly, Alex was born on Mars and used to be a pilot for the Mars Navy until he retired and took the job of piloting the ice hauler Canterbury. He IS part of the (ex-)Canterbury crew, not of the martian navy (MCRN) anymore. That's why the martians keep him with the others. Julie is from earth but she sympathizes with belters so much that she became an activist and then an OPA member which also meant rebelling against her father at the same time.

[@HeinrichVenter88]

Always happy to see another potential fan hooked on this great show!

[@andiecph]

glad to have you here ^^ loving this show so far :D

[@jamesholland5761]

Great reaction and analysis! You're doing very well grasping the story! Yes Alex is Martian, he served 20yrs and was honorably discharged ( retired). He just regular civilian. He can go and be anywhere he chooses. In this show there are pretty much three players in this game. Earth, Mars and the Belt. Ceres is an asteroid station in the belt. But there are many belters scattered throughout the belt! Looking forward to the next one!

[@andiecph]

thank you so much ^^

[@jamesholland5761]

@@andiecph yes mam! Enjoying your journey! Hold onto your butt! You have no idea just how crazy this is going to get!!

[@y00t00b3r]

I need to add that where the belters live extends even past just the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. There are other collections of asteroids and small moons in the solar system that are inhabited by belters.

[@pssthpok]

@@y00t00b3r Which leads to the next point, that the people who identify as OPA are sprinkled all throughout the Solar System, with a couple of concentrations on asteroids (ex: Ceres, Eros), and some gas giant moons (ex: Ganymede), and some space stations floating in the darkness (ex: Tycho, Pallas). But the key is that they don't have a cultural anchor like Earth and Mars, so they are very distributed... though they all do seem to share a distrust of 'Inners' (for @andiecph, people from the Inner Planets - Earth and Mars - nobody lives on Venus or Mercury).

[@LaMancha958]

The tattoos are a Belter thing, not only OPA.

[@andiecph]

yeah I know that :)

[@aboubenadhem9066]

The only characters who have thus far treated the OPA as outright terrorists are Avasarala and Miller (and the Martians on the Donnager). But don’t trust any character’s assumptions-see how the people around them act, too.

[@C76Caravan]

2:33 That guy does have a psycho look...

[@bizibetiko9778]

That guy.

[@keithnphx63]

Yeah!

[@stygggian]

If you are interested, the actor who plays Amos and one of the authors of the books do a re-watch podcast called "Ty and That Guy" that gives a lot of insight that you don't get in the show.

[@andiecph]

oh now I understand why people are commenting about me saying "that guy" xD

[@C76Caravan]

@@andiecph Just make sure you don't watch the podcast before reaching S6... they do have some spoilers in the show. But it is a great companion show to explain a lot of background both in-universe, as well as behind the scenes.

[@andiecph]

@@C76Caravan thank you :) yeah I was thinking the same regarding spoilers