Rey ISN'T a Mary Sue?

[@weaselbatches]

The Airplane Mode review is coming out soon, just wanted to give you guys something else since I haven't uploaded in awhile.

[@Lol_1997]

Love you daddy

[@Skyhigh864]

Go on Efap

[@layton6045]

Thanks dad

[@RyanMurphyProductions]

It's OK you amazing train we can wait.

[@swaggergaming3479]

weasel batches this was fun to watch

[@duolingoowo4855]

Mary Sue: *A sexist term* Gary Stew: *Not a sexist term* *LOGIC 100*

[@superj1010]

Exactly

[@OhThatSkeleton]

"Ladies and gentlemen...we gotem"

[@trucetruce335]

Neither are sexist tbh

[@Missingno_Miner]

@@trucetruce335 that's the point

[@trucetruce335]

missingno miner some might say the point is both are

[@joeythejanitor1920]

Sounds like she has never even heard of Ahsoka.

[@bloodwizard3120]

Asaptaco ahsoka is the goat

[@khfan4life365]

That’s because they didn’t watch Star Wars or care about it until the Mary Sue popped up.

[@mellogaming1334]

Ahsoka Tano is a way better character and Jedi than Rey.

[@Shou_22]

@@billythekid4334 Yeah because Kennedy says so... Bullshit... Even younger jedi in training Leia could beat Mary Sue...

[@squilliam5916]

Ahsoka is my favorite jedi.

[@digi1071]

A Mary Sue is a character, but Rey has no character. :thinking_face:

[@irvanray1898]

So technically Rey isn't a mary sue, this I can agree on

[@arturohernandez473]

She is nothing so she can really be anything but a plank borad actally a plank can have more persinality even jar jar bink

[@alexwallar8608]

You can't find it either

[@caesertullo1824]

check mate atheists.

[@howardyates4848]

A mary sue is not a charater, but a black hole in the story. Read the tv tropes articale to understand it better.

[@meanlettuce]

Everyone: *loves Ahsoka* Everyone: *dislikes Rey* Women: “sexist”

[@sircart1er]

I love democracy

[@levischmaloer7356]

@@sircart1er I love to arrest people in the name of the galactic senate

[@camdenmiller7127]

@@levischmaloer7356 its treason then

[@nuragin2960]

Hotel: trivago

[@LEM0N.]

Camden Miller ay we got the same name my guy

[@joshpecker4352]

How is luke a gary sue the dude got his ass kicked most of the time in og Trilogy

[@isaiahgarraway5568]

Don't forget after his few days of training it still wasn't enough to even compete with Vader who humored him his whole fight. Yet Rey comes in the first movie and bullshits force powers and beats a powerful dark force user in one go with no training.

[@isaiahgarraway5568]

@@tcideh4929 yeah he wasn't that strong compared to others even with him being the son of Anakin.

[@tahunuva4254]

You're missing the point of a sue: it's not about getting your ass kicked, it's about whether you break preexisting canon in order to cater to your author's fantasies. Example: Spock, the emotionless character, falls in love with you. Another example: Rey using an advanced jedi mind trick. Most of the time, if you are an original character in an original cannon, you are not a Mary Sue. Yes, even Harry Potter is sue-less.

[@loganmansiongames]

You mean OT & not OG also yes These people are idiots & they don't understand how heroes & characters work they just want action or to push an agenda.

[@benjaminkemer6428]

These people are just idiots who say "like this or you suck". Well I would rather be a loser in this woman's eyes than watch the garbage that is most films nowadays.

[@beskarr5786]

If we are sexist fanboys why do we love Leia? She's the perfect representation of a great female leader and character

[@Meiiiow]

Exactly i love leia

[@LilSaske27]

DB Reviews and everyone’s fav character is ahsoka so how tf are we sexist

[@beskarr5786]

@@LilSaske27 indeed

@@LilSaske27 you hate men obviously, but you're still a misogynist

[@thinkinginsidethebox6552]

Leia and Ahsoka

[@kingster14444]

When someone says "it's a movie" then I already know they have nothing to actually say

[@user-tq6fx7tl7e]

Ikr

[@rileyBMD]

Maybe next time they make a movie we will get a training montage just like the one in rocky. Everyone is crying about not seeing training... Fucking training lmao. Shes hot, she likable and they didnt copy the plot of the last trilogy where anakin fell into the dark side.

[@kyreof]

@@rileyBMD If your talking about Rey, Rey is not likable what so ever, and if you only like a character because there hot go watch porno for Christ's sake, while us real fans wait for Disney to fuck this up again and again and again till Rey finally dies off and we get a new lead character that isn't a Mary Sue.

[@tojojr5616]

@@rileyBMD This dude sounds like the complete simp

[@lord_destros2188]

Riley Dumpy bruh tfa and tlj are both cardboard cutouts of episode 4 and 5 😂

[@lowqualitycontent3818]

She dissed my boy Jar Jar, now she’s taken it too far

[@red-gi6hx]

Low Quality Content 200,000 units are ready, and a million more well on the way.

[@samroelke8097]

Nobody better be talking shit about Jar Jar!! 😡😤

[@bigneeyman]

i feel quite offended by this woman.

[@sparky6743]

Time to bust out the Z-6. Shits boutta go down

[@nemsq1]

#savejarjar

[@m_e_s_o_t_h_e_l_i_o_m_a]

"It's a movie." That's like someone taking a shit on the floor in front of their boss and saying "It's a shit."

[@thebakery3802]

I love this comment so much even if it doesn’t make that much sense

[@silentbob5566]

I hate this kind of idiotic, shallow argument. "It's a movie", therefore Star Wars universe is Naked Lunch universe and so it is for every movie, it's just magic you know. Hell, since it's a movie it doesn't have to make any sense, follow the rules of its own universe, just accept the inexplicable awesomeness of Rey because it's a movie.

[@Gurpefy]

lmao

[@HeroesUnite.]

I haven't laughed this fucking hard for a comment in ages

[@trulymaypul]

hm, yes the floor here is made out of floor

[@Doctor.Trolling]

Luke's first duel: Gets his hand chopped off and losses his lightsaber (keep in mind he had some training at this point) Rey's first duel: Nearly kills the villain with no proper training We aren't mad because of the character's gender, we are mad because of the character's writing. Edit: To put all of the arguing to rest I’m just gonna say: 1. That fight was Rey’s first time using a lightsaber, she should not have been capable of using it as well as someone who was trained. 2. Dark side users feed off of anger and pain, his injury from the bow caster would have made him more powerful. 3. Even if he wasn’t more powerful because of his injury he should still be able to best Rey in lightsaber combat because it’s her first time using one. The fact Rey won is just bad writing.

[@Doctor.Trolling]

@@fatone0 I still think Kylo should have easily one, a lightsaber needs a high amount of skill to be used effectively even for someone who's used aoher types of melee weapons, it seems kinda stupid that Finn someone who at least used a lightsaber for a short amount of time did worse than Rey in the final battle of the movie, I don't think her experience with her staff would've allowed her to do that good with a lightsaber, it's kinda like comparing a staff with a sword but the sword has basically no weight to it other than it's hilt. And Luke was at a MUCH higher skill level than Rey, he had hours of training on dagobah when Rey had no practice with an actual lightsaber at all until TLJ.

[@Doctor.Trolling]

@@fatone0 Even if he was shot with the bowcaster I still think he should've won, he's basically the equivalent of a Jedi knight and Rey would basically be a youngling, she shouldn't of even been able to use the force to the extent she did in the interrogation scene nor be able to grab Anakin's lightsaber while Kylo was also trying to grab it, she may of had training with a melee weapon but she didn't even know she was a force user until she grabbed the lightsaber, which she shouldn't have been able to do if Kylo was also trying to get it. But I think since she was able to grab it somehow that Kylo wouldn't of put up as much a fight as normal since he got hit with the bowcaster.

[@blobla1133]

Kylo ren was shot by a wookie bowcaster that would have killed a normal person

[@Doctor.Trolling]

@@blobla1133 And Rey was basically not even a padawan, while luke had hours of training

[@Abyzz_Knight]

@@fatone0 problem with that explanation is that even with his injuries Kylo was easily overpowering Rey and her constantly retreating until she just closes her wyw for a few seconds and suddenly the roles are completely reversed and she just immediately overpowers Kylo. The argument that Kylo's injury was the reason why he lost doesn't work when it doesn't have any affect on the outcome ofbthe fight and Rey only wins because Deus ex Force.

[@chimpwimp9407]

Dude...when Mark Hamill himself quietly admits Rey is a Mary Sue, you know you messed up.

[@Mish844]

It's the least convincing reason to provide, but ok.

[@tremellbatiste1394]

iT’s tHe lEAsT cOnVincIng ReAsOn tO pRoViDe, BuT oK.

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

Rey's voice actor is apparently getting more vocal about how much it all really sucks. Probably because she knows she's not getting anymore roles, anyway.

[@Mish844]

@harshil patel it doesn't ecactly give him some special insight into writing and how his character is portrayed. That'd the writer's job. It's not like you'd belive Daisy if she told you that Rey isn't a Mary Sue.

[@Mish844]

@@VGamingJunkieVT except the movies she already takes part in?

[@starwarslego3304]

Everyone: Rey is the first female Jedi you don’t like her because your sexist. Me: how about Ashoka

[@IcyDiamond]

Dr Nefrario and Leia

[@V2ULTRAKill]

"ReY iS tHe FiRsT fEmAlE jEdI" Bastila Shan, Aayla Secura, Ahsoka, Kira Carsen, Satele Shan, Meetra Surik, Jaesa Willsam

[@Actuallyfactually]

*cough* Mara Jade,Bastila Shan, Satele Shan *cough* all existed before Ashoka except Satele I believe *cough* wait merciless oooooof for me

[@V2ULTRAKill]

@@Actuallyfactually as did Meetra Surik

[@petereide4874]

everyone is forgetting about yaddle

[@glitchman1272]

Rey's fight against Palpatine still proves she is a Mary Sue

[@fahoodie1852]

Glitchman There’s no fucking emotion in it

[@glitchman1272]

『Platnum Breaker』 tbf, her force lightning is purely by accident

[@choppa6506]

WAIT SHE FOUGHT PALPATINE

[@almirdjezic6362]

ChangoBokole yeah in the new movie🙄

[@choppa6506]

@@almirdjezic6362 lemme gues she won with ease lol

[@ablur5129]

Iron-man is littrally an alchoholic in the comics how is he unflawed she clearly doesn't know what a Gary/Mary Sue is

[@Anijah2001]

That's why her arguments is not valid

[@b.h.40594]

You spell alcoholic right but not literally?

[@ablur5129]

@@b.h.40594 yeah I'm kinda dumb

[@chemostar2361]

Of all the characters she showed, that was the one i questioned the most. Like, i can at least see how harry potter and batman could be percieved as mary sues even though i don't agree with it but theres no possible way that iron man could be seen as a mary sue.

[@isaiahgarraway5568]

@@chemostar2361 Hell iron man got shit on a tons of times in battle.

[@Simo9204]

She was capable of: -flying the falcoon better than Han; -speaking wookie; -resist the mind power of a trained jedi/sith; -use mind control; -handle a light saber duel against that jedi/sith trained enemy and kick his ass. All of this in the FIRST movie. Sounds about right

[@Megatron_95]

And she's shoots well with a blaster. In TFA

[@Simo9204]

@@Megatron_95 of course she does, how could I've forgot that. Oh, wait a minute, I've forgot the movie so it cant be my fault

[@Megatron_95]

@@Simo9204 and let's not forget that she kick Luke's ass by cheating

[@albertthepeacock8020]

Tbf Luke in the OT wasn't all that

[@TishaMae]

@@Megatron_95 No she didn't, Han had to show her how and even then Kylo blocked everything

[@7476-g2v]

Anakin was a literal avatar of the force and still required years of training to use it.

[@simos6jipros154]

And proceded to get fucked over by Dooku because of his stupid decision making and then get fucked over by Obi-Wan because of his arrogance

[@Alex-uq1el]

And even then, he was far from perfect with it. Still highly emotional, arrogant, impulsive, and short-tempered, still lost his hand to Count Dooku and still lost to Obi-Wan after he succumbed to the dark side and slaughtered younglings. Rey had the force for, like, 3 days, and she was already using Jedi mind tricks, lifting dozens of boulders all at once, besting Luke Skywalker and the grandson of Darth Vader in fights with ease, piloting and repairing ships better than their actual pilots or technicians, and taking on a group of specially trained royal guards with ease. And don't even get me started on half the things she was doing in Rise Of Skywalker.

[@blainetate743]

Ironically, Rey Palpatine has more in common with Sith Lords than Jedi: emotional, constantly angry in a fight, impulsive, arrogant (calling herself a Skywalker), and even attacked Ben when he wasn’t attacking back; with his own weapon I think! She even uses blasters casually, something Kenobi only used on General Grievous as a last resort! If she really is the future for Jedi everywhere, then they might as well go extinct, and *stay* extinct under her dystopian order. Anakin, yes, was a representation of the Force itself, but needed years of training just to unlock a fraction of his potential. Yet this worse-than-nobody on a desert planet could do complex tricks on her first try and effectively nullify Darth Vader’s redemption?!

[@TheRookie01010]

She's not even answering her claim, she's basically saying "oh because (insert any male counterpart) is a gary stu, it's okay for Rey to be a Mary sue" She's not denying it.

[@marcosmelendez09]

Excellent observation. You are right

[@AJ69238]

And she isn't even giving a good argument for Luke being a Gary stu, either

[@masterzoroark6664]

It's more loke she is doubling down on the claim

[@Ni-boo]

Imagine a car mechanic being better with a Katana than those trained to use it and knowing how to pilot a jet like a professional, all without previous training or knowledge... That's Rey.

[@3767jack]

Niboo most accurate description and relatable/presentable argument I’ve ever seen. I’m going to use this next time someone says she isn’t a Mary Sue. Thank you

[@Ni-boo]

@@3767jack Go for it mate

[@denismilic1878]

not car mechanic but junkyard scavenger.

[@Ni-boo]

@@denismilic1878 even better

[@nicholsjoshua15]

@@Ni-boo You can trust me to fly this jumbo jet, I work at a junkyard.

[@Sheevlord]

She talks about having abilities without training while showing pictures of Luke training with Yoda. That's a self-own if I ever saw one.

[@totallynotamimic3522]

"Congratulations. You played yourself."

[@engineerskalinera]

Good. Twice the pride, double the fall.

[@TheSilverPhoenix100]

A big diffrence also is Luke ran off to face Vader with some training but not completely prepared and got absolutely wrecked, where as Rey with no training beat Kylo and to others who say Kylo was injured and not at 100%...correct, but Kylo still beat a trained solider with ease even while badly injured only to be bested by a street urchin

[@edojaalexander]

@@TheSilverPhoenix100 But luke did eventually beat Vader with almost no training. Whether it is at the beginning or the end of the movie it makes no sense. Just because he lost once doesn't mean he isn't a Gary sue.

[@Brainwave101]

Yeah, Luke training with Yoda for like...three days...just jumping around and lifting rocks. Then he went and lived in a cave for awhile read some books, and suddenly he can defeat Vader. Hey, remember how in the Micheal bay ninja turtles they learned Kung Fu from a kung Fu for dummies book? Yeah that's essentially what luke did.

[@mrmustang61j37]

“Rey isn’t a Mary Sue” “The ability to speak does not make you intelligent”

[@6ixlxrd]

I also loved how people tried to use Anakin and Luke to defend her by calling them Gary-Stu's. Throughout the entire trilogy Luke constantly had to rely on the help of others to achieve his goals and still failed: needed Obi-Wan to help him escape Vader and destroy the Death Star, needed Han to save him on Hoth, didn't complete his training with Yoda and got STOMPED by Vader, failed to save Han, and finally needed Leia to save him from nearly dying the *second* time within the same movie. Then in the third movie he gets nearly killed AGAIN and ultimately needs/begs his father to save him. Without his friends he would've got nowhere. Anakin was legit THE most powerful Force-user in the galaxy and stayed eating L's for breakfast. In one movie alone he loses his lightsaber, fails to capture the assassin, fails to follow orders, fails to save his mom after disobeying those orders he failed to follow, fails to keep Padme safe, fails to save Obi-Wan, then gets completely STOMPED by Dooku not once but TWICE (after being the most powerful Force-user in the galaxy and having YEARS of hard Jedi training under his belt). Then he ultimately goes on to get manipulated by Palpatine into betraying and destroying everything he stood for; this dude couldn't even be a Chosen One right and failed at fulfilling his own prophecy. Meanwhile Rey is just Little Miss Perfect. Uses Jedi-mindtrick (which cannonly took Obi-Wan years to learn) after not knowing or believing the Force existed YESTERDAY; has never touched a ship in her entire life and is suddenly a better pilot than pilots who've trained their entire lives (Kid Anakin did the same thing and we hated him for it...but at least the little snot had experience with ships); has never held a lightsaber and beats someone trained by Luke and Palpatine in both the Light and Dark sides of the Force since he was a boy. I could go on, but there's no point. Everyone knows she's bad now. Even people who defended her couldn't anymore after Rise of Skywalker.

[@kianvandenakker126]

@@6ixlxrd Kid anakin could fly, but not that great. Most things he did were on accident.

[@MandatoryFruit]

@@6ixlxrd I want to see the chick in this video respond to your comment.

[@asian-kid6528]

@@6ixlxrd ayeeee what up

[@Coinjuggler336]

I was honestly kinda upset when qui-gon died he was one of the only things I liked about the phantom menace

[@CancelTeenTitansGO]

Batman is a Gary Stu? She hasn’t read the comics, he trained for years to become Batman His biggest failure was the creation of the Joker And failing to save Jason Todd

[@thesasoriphoenix]

Not to mention getting his ass handed to him quite a few times over the years to the point where other people had to step in and be Batman for a while.

[@chemostar2361]

They always go after characters that are obviously flawed. Why not go after black panther? He's one of the biggest mary sues in pop culture. And yeah, i use mary sue as a gender neutral term.

[@slog7833]

Spittin’ straight facts

[@albertthepeacock8020]

Yeah Batman is cool and all but when he's with the JL the writers have to make him the biggest Mary Sue of all time

[@james11latimore]

CancelTeenTitansGO yeah sounds like she was reaching trying to nanedrop an iconic character

[@Starskiller48]

We need to STOP with “ Luke’s” lightsaber it’s my boy Anakins.

[@oldbaby2304]

If you are going to spell Anakin spell it right

[@Starskiller48]

I’m your wife’s boyfriend sorry sorry. Let me let you get back to my wife while I fix it

[@Starskiller48]

MARKUZ ZEPEDA yeah ik Ik it was the crack kicking in I fixed it

[@oldbaby2304]

Good I’m glad you fixed I tell you what You can stay up until 10pm

[@ethan2469]

It's legally Rey's lightsaber

[@violentturnip]

"no way can someone with, ZERO training..." **Shows clip of Luke training on Dagobah*

[@mryellow6918]

Shows clip of luke luckily getting 2 torpedoes into the death star. This = same. Skill as jedi mind control.

[@schadenfreude3236]

@@mryellow6918 - Luke already had some Force training by then and also had a lifetime of bullseyeing womp rats in his T-16 back home. And as we all know, they're not much bigger than two meters. Rey didn't even know Jedi were real that same morning, but there she is overpowering a trained Sith and using mind control on people.

[@richardstrage3682]

@@schadenfreude3236 he also got some help from one mr.kenobi

[@schadenfreude3236]

@@richardstrage3682 - Right, and later, Yoda. Luke was never without a teacher even after they died. Also, his screw ups were legit screw ups, not serendipitous blessings like the few times Rey "failed" at anything.

[@karystmania5509]

Seems legit... Of how stupid she is.

[@sandwichboy1268]

Luke: *trains with a Jedi Master and still gets defeated by a Sith Lord* Rei: *picks up a lightsaber for the first time and proceeds to defeat a Sith Lord*

[@ImfernusRizen]

Who was wounded by a wookie bowcaster

[@ronaldmcdonald2817]

@@ImfernusRizen pain makes dark side users stronger.

[@palmerphotojournal5403]

@@ImfernusRizen so what? Even so, he's been training for decades in both the force and lightsaber combat while she has zero training or experience in either. Wounded or not, he would've won.

[@ImfernusRizen]

@@palmerphotojournal5403 I dunno why my reply didn't send before, but I'll send it now. That's a fallacy. You're acting as if Kylo should've godmodded his way through a Wookie Bowcaster shot. 1.) Training doesn't make you invincible from losing because of a handicap. You can have all the training in the world and still lose if you're crippled enough. 2.) The writers obviously had him get the wound to balance the fight out a bit more. You act as if Rey just brute forced her way to beating Kylo when he not only had the wound, but had to deal with Finn before Rey, but was still kicking their ass for a bit during the battle. He lost due to the wound and some form of fatigue. 3.) The fact that he wasn't flown like a RAGDOLL from being hit by a weapon that is literally shown to be capable of sending people flying is a miracle on its own. You see what this gun is capable of but no one questions how the film blatantly ignores what the Bowcaster does to people when it hits them. Rey has had some Mary Sue BS in these films without a doubt, but beating a Handicapped Kylo isn't one of them.

[@allthingsanime7413]

@@ImfernusRizen while i dont totally disagree that rey could have beaten kylo the way she did made zero sense 1: finn was in the military of the star wars universe and had much more expierence than rey and also had more to fight for 2: the arguement that the shot weakened him enough to lose is so invalid because of the fact anger/pain makes sith stronger im not saying that would make up for the shot from the bowcaster but it would lessen it the thing i dont get about this fight though is why kylo didnt use the force once during it

[@d_bstudios2038]

It took 8 movies for iron man to become a proper superhero instead of a selfish rich boy what is she talking about

[@thecheck968]

BOI. IRON MAN BECAME A PROPER SUPER HERO IN THE FIRST AVENGERS WHEN HE WAS READY AND WILLING TO DIE TO SAVE EARTH. I LOVE MY TONY AND WONT HAVE YOU DRAG HIS NAME THROUGH THE MUD.

[@garpogods8323]

@Revan Do you mean Iron Man 3?

[@stevenbobbybills]

@@garpogods8323 both

[@shealupkes]

@@thecheck968 REEE

[@arno7163]

@@thecheck968 I agree that he became a hero at the end of Iron man, but with each movie he has grown to be a better hero, leader and inspiration. For example; how he lost control of himself after learning bucky killed his parents. And in infinity war during the fight on Titan, right after Nebula tells him about the soul stone sacrifice, Tony tells Quill to cool it. He knew what was up because he's been in the same place. I think thats what the OP had in mind. He wasn't the same hero. He grew

[@clearlywrong6520]

“The ability to speak does not make one intelligent.” - Qui Gon Jinn, right after I got melted at the same checkpoint for the twentieth time because the difficulty is set to veteran

[@polpo8342]

Dolan Cleary “It is well that war is so terrible, otherwise we should grow too fond of it,” -General Robert E. Lee -Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3

[@neezard6697]

Luke trying to lift X-wing out of the swamp in Empire: "That's impossible" and fails. Rey in TLJ sees avalanche of boulders, levitates all of them without breaking a sweat. BuT LUkE iS tHE MARY SuE!!!

[@TrueNorthProductions]

Lmao ik, when I saw that in theaters I was just like omg.....

[@theatfshotmydog8224]

TrueNorth Productions I didn’t watch it till it came out on Netflix, and I’m a huge freaking Star Wars fan, so that should tell you something...

[@mgp4447]

When Rey lifts the rocks with no training Yoda: bullshit this is, deny its existence I will.

[@YaBoiClassy]

Rey: *pulls giant ship out of the air*

[@ChannelName66]

Anakin literally turned bad, got his arm cut off in the second movie, and then nearly died in the third. Luke was barely able to master anything by the end of the first movie, he got training from Yoda and then got his arm cut off in the second movie, then in the third movie he didn't even beat the villains, they kinda beat each other. And unlike some big fantastical display of force powers that could be scene from great distances, Vader literally just threw Palpatine down a shaft.

[@MigIgg]

Not to mention that vader when the empire was dominating the galaxy was deeply depressed and really hated himself, and it got to the point where he even attempted to commit suicide because he literally has nothing to live for other than serve the emperor who made him his slave.

[@cipherenigma]

“Why Rey isn’t a Mary Sue” Video: she isn’t Roll credits

[@mr.biscuit5489]

Hahhahahhahahha so funny i forgot to piss my self of laughter

[@terrypennington2519]

much funny, did laugh

[@TuxRacing69]

laughed pretty hard at this one

[@smallss7197]

Do yall also say "roll criedts" in Cinema Sins voice

[@eh9618]

"Maybe the problem you have isn't with the movie, it's with women" let me introduce, ashoka tano

[@anti-punkaction5428]

I remember people hating her back in the day for being *too* flawed

[@Dualwield_Asahi]

@Leotis Bennett ashoka was a marye- sue too

[@liammurray2410]

Assaj ventress

[@eh9618]

@@Dualwield_Asahi nah, we've seen her fail and learn from it.

[@Dualwield_Asahi]

@@eh9618 in tlj she fail everythings she try to do

[@pokeczarelf]

"Rey is a humanized, pixar's version of Wall-E. Without the Humanity."-Literature Devil

[@grassisgreenerotos]

I see you are a man of culture

[@blueangels111]

Hanzo Kuraiken yea, I loved that, and I love him. He insults people so civilly

[@inserisciunnome]

"now let's get back to Rey's more human counterpart: Wall-E" ~also Literature Devil

[@iamacatperson7226]

Ah yes, a man of culture

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

Literature Devil is the MVP. A shame that the people that NEED to watch his videos never will.

[@daxtro5492]

Batman: trust issues, won't let anyone get too close to him, mentally unstable, his biggest rule is his biggest weakness, several villains have used his weakness to defeat him, yata yata yata etc etc etc

[@palmerphotojournal5403]

Not to mention he trained for 7-12 years (depending on which version) to become as good as he is.

[@SeanSimmonsFilms]

And he lost his parents when he was little

[@thatonedudethatremindsthet1575]

@@SeanSimmonsFilms finally someone said it

[@jethroot8992]

what does batman have to do with this video

[@jethroot8992]

@@NerdzTM now i hate the lady even more,

[@Laxhoop]

“It’s a franchise set in space with magic, that means there should be no writing standards applied to it.” I’m so f*cking tired of this argument. It’s not even an argument, it’s literally “I have no arguments, but I also want to make you feel stupid, so let me describe the series in as ridiculous terms I can, to make it sound ridiculous that you even care about the writing quality.”

[@IYPITWL]

There is space and magic... but there are still rules! (except for maRey sue)

[@garpogods8323]

You know. Life is just waking up, taking shits and waiting to die. So I dont know why youd be upset with me killing your dog.

[@Thalanox]

"Fiction has at least some elements that do not fit in reality. That means I can take an existing setting and story, do literally anything I want to it, and you'll have to accept it else you're a bad person!"

[@maxskyfan]

Thank You. Short & Sweet. I tend to go on. Not sure where everyone's POV is. George Lucas messed with the rules in PT. Covered of the ways of the Force with science, while Disney has the Force as if these powers are from an X-Men movie so we have the completely wrong idea here. In "Twilight" movies the vampires didn't turn to dust in the sunlight but shined like diamonds, which is fine only I read JJ was being asked what NEW powers he was going to be handing out. There have always been limitations on the force users and technology. Reasoned people should have been fine with that and seen a problem when they started coloring wildly outside the margins. Star Wars wasn't so boring that it needed to be super spiced up. Obviously, I could easily have done a better job, and that is not saying much as I could throw a ball into a crowd, finding someone who could do that same. They admit there was no plan at all. Besides repeating, using cliches, they take out a fleet using lightspeed, force ghosts interact with the real-world, freeze blast blots in mid-air, and project ourself across the galaxy? Nonsense. Telekinesis and better reflexes, not Harry Potter. The problem with JJ & Rian & many others who fail to understand it is all those other stories are not Star Wars, as just try to stack the OT with ST. Rey "become WOKE" to the force? Light meeting Darkness. Supposedly in a novel that attempts to explain this garbage done to my childhood favorite, is as Rey's mind is read (not a space magic ability) she turns the tables and reads Ben's mind and learns everything thing he knows in a second. Pure Trash. How does Disney GREEN LIGHT trash and attach millions of dollars behind it? Sure like to READ their minds, yet somehow I might not like what I find.

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

You could use the same logic for Star Trek, and yet The Next Generation still managed to be very well written. It doesn't matter what setting it uses or how much fantasy it is, it needs to have a standard for quality.

[@savage7882]

Luke took 3 movies to *have a chance* against vader, meanwhile ray hasnt ever lost a fight up until facing palpatine...

[@randomidk8781]

She never lost a fight? In TLJ she is almost killed but kylo betrayed snoke and saved her. In TROS at the duel at death star she is defeated by kylo ren. Again at TROS later when she is about to become an empress kylo comes and saves her by fighting with her again sheev. And at the end rey is killed and kylo saved her again. Literally the only duel rey won was at the duel at starkiller base at TFA. Im wondering if you actually watched TLJ or TROS or you are just getting random facts

[@savage7882]

@@randomidk8781 In TLJ she got trapped, she didnt fight. In TROS she Killed kylo immediately when he got distracted. And the last fight is literally the one time she actually fought on uneven ground and lost.

[@randomidk8781]

@@savage7882 yes that's my point on TLJ. I mean she didn't have any fight but she was trapped. She wasn't a lucky awss who when she arrived nobody was on that place so she could run free in snoke's spaceship and mind trick stormtroopers and turn ben to the light side. At death star if leia wouldn't die kylo would kill rey. When rey is about to kill palpatine kylo saved her. She was about to become a sith empress the only thing she was afraid of become. So kylo actually comes there fighting together and saving her

[@savage7882]

@@randomidk8781 Problem is her becoming an ''empress'' reeks of plot induced stupidity. Her downside is that she's gonna get more powerful if she becomes bad, wow. Kylo didnt save her life. And that was the only moment when she was genuinely endangered.

[@randomidk8781]

@@savage7882 obviously if she would become an empress she would be stronger. Kylo didn't save her life but he saved her from becoming the thing she was always afraid to become.

[@txspartan4516]

"You just hate women" Ahsoka Tano, Padme Amidala, Leia Organa, Asajj Ventress, Mara Jade, etc. All fan favorites because they are round characters (Padme is debateable but it's the prequels so everything is.) each of these characters have failed at one point, and I can't think of Rey "Failing" at anything worse than a draw which the plot corrects within minutes.

[@red-rum9303]

TxSpartan facts

[@creampupp2415]

Ahsoka Tano is my favourite charter in the Star wars lore, i would love to see a series or movie based on her, but knowing Disney they will ruin her character :(

[@jacobwells9207]

Padme isn't what I would call a "strong" female character, though. I haven't seen Episode 2, but her "giving up on life" after childbirth? Yeah...

[@txspartan4516]

@@jacobwells9207 Given her actions in the Droid Factory, Geonosis arena, her going to Mustafar to convince Anakin to come back to the light, everything in the Clone Wars series, etc. Those all required quite a bit of strength to complete, but like I said it's the prequels so everything's debateable. If "giving up on life" disqualifies you from being strong, I guess Obi Wan, Yoda, and Anakin are weak.

[@jacobwells9207]

@@txspartan4516 Obi Wan sacrificed himself to motivate Luke, Yoda died naturally, and Vader's suit was heavily damaged

[@ethangrandoit2939]

Luke in the Mandalorian : "Talent without training is useless.."

[@Mbrothers1138]

An orphan junker who lived in a desert bested a dark Jedi trained by the most skilled Jedi in history and hailing from family of powerful force users in the galaxy.

[@albertthepeacock8020]

Well the Sith dude was injured tbf

[@ChaosSandwich]

@@albertthepeacock8020 but pain is a source of the dark side, so technically he would be even more powerful

[@alejandrovillalba3143]

Albert The Peacock Rey had been thrown against a tree and fell several meters to hit the ground before that battle. Are you going to tell me that a ninety pounds-girl went through that without suffering any harm???She is the greatest Mary Sue ever. No doubts about it

[@benjaminkemer6428]

And yet she has no personality either.

[@benjaminkemer6428]

@@albertthepeacock8020 He didn't move at all like an injured person, looks like the director sucks

[@sillythygoose]

This trilogy should have been about Kylo Ren. He’s much more interesting, he’s Skywalker descent and making the “bad guy” the main character of the trilogy would have been a great change to the same old good guy vs bad guy plot that they copied from the original trilogy

[@toastman7737]

You are right

[@Tn-sc4nv]

Kyle ren has his own monster energy drink branch

[@jdspetersgaming]

i would've been happy with a "Bernice" Solo as well under that mask.

[@strawberryfox8819]

Not to mention the many fangirls Adam Driver has, it would've been a huge success for Disney.

[@TheKyrix82]

I guess you missed the part where Kylo Ren got more characterization and focus than Darth Vader did

[@leightonpetty4817]

“Everyone has powers to fit the narrative. It’s a movie.” But like.... _no,_ I cannot get over how flawed this logic is. “The narrative” is not some fixed, unchangeable fact. If it doesn’t make sense for a character to be able to do something, then the task is on the writers to either write a narrative that does make sense for the character or rewrite the character to make sense. Not just say, “here’s what the hero does, here’s a character we slapped together in 30 seconds, bada-bing-bada-boom”

[@jdspetersgaming]

yeah maybe if they had luke start to train her at the beginning of the movie it would've made more sense. but that would have been another parallel (obi wan) ontop of starkiller base lol.

[@TheKyrix82]

@The Xenomorphian "i remember multiple attempts to rewrite the sequels that were good" I really doubt they were good, as odds are they were written by casuals who know nothing about Star Wars. Let's fact check, shall we? " such as 1. scenes indicating the new republic / a large fucking majority of the galaxy fighting the first order" Except they weren't. The New Republic WASN'T fighting the First Order at all, as they had no military to fight WITH. One of the first things Mon Mothma did when she gained power was disband the military, as after 20 years of the Empire she figured it would be a good idea to NOT have armed forces occupying worlds. Those that thought this was a stupid idea went on to form the Resistance, in case the Empire came back. "and the reason the first order were so desperate to kill the rebels was just to get rid of one less problem to deal with aside from the major one" The reason the First Order was so desperate to get rid of the Resistance was because they were the ONLY obstacle in their way. There was no larger threat. Hell, Starkiller Base more or less wiped out the New Republic as an entity with one shot. "2. Rey being properly trained in between movies in a long time period" Rey was properly trained in between Episode 8 and 9. She spent a year training with Leia and studying the Jedi Texts. "star wars episode IV and V's took actual 10 years and luke still is shit at the force" No, the ENTIRE Original Trilogy spanned 4 years, and Luke was a Jedi Knight at the end of it, despite having a few hours of training with Obi Wan and a few days with Yoda. Meanwhile, Rey trained for an entire year AND had the texts and wasn't even a Jedi Knight at the end, despite having several times more training than Luke had. "3. Rey getting beaten a couple times which adds motivation for both her and the audience to see the villain get his ass kicked" Rey was never a physical hero like Luke, she was a mental hero like Anakin. Throughout the trilogy her greatest obstacle was always herself. The first movie had her face down her cowardess and sefishness. The second saw her tackle her overconfidence. And finally, she had to get over the mental blocks that kept her from properly using the Force in the third. "don't get me wrong seeing rey beat kylo ren (because at the time before we all realised the sjw shit that was going on at the time kylo was hated for being wimpy looking) was satisfying but wouldn't it be more satisfying if say Kylo chopped her fucking hand off" Actually, the reason Kylo was hated was because he was a parody of all the Star Wars fans who were huge Empire groupies who thought Darth Vader was a badass. And if you notice, aside from the first fight, where she didn't beat him so much as finish the fight Chewie and Finn started, Rey NEVER beat Kylo one-on-one. The fight was always a draw, unless someone intervened on Rey's behalf. So, no. None of those were good.

[@malta7406]

Underrated comment

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

I just watched fullmetal alchemist. Powers are supposed to make sense.

[@TheKyrix82]

@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 And if you know anything about Star Wars, all the powers DO make sense. It's amazing though, if you only watch a single episode of a 200 episode series, how little things might make sense, especially if you just straight to the end. Which is what it's like when you only know Star Wars through the movies.

[@noahh.7642]

Disney logic: “How do we get Rey out of the title of “Mary Sue”?” “Let’s just make her Palpatine’s granddaughter!” “Great storytelling! That’ll clear everything up!”

[@unseen6940]

The funny things is, palpatine doesn't even have a special bloodline so it clears legit nothing up! it just confuses more.

[@stunner9005]

“Oh crap Palpatine is hinted to have a blood relationship with Kylo Ren, we accidentally promoted incest!”-Disney

[@stunner9005]

@Sven Lumia So Reylo is cannon incest

[@ObiJakobe]

Luke,gets his hand cut off and almost dies multiple times: "GARY STEW" Rey, does moves she'd never even seen before and beats highly trained people without a scratch: "Female power"

[@TheKyrix82]

Luke makes Force Assisted Shot despite having no idea how to use the Force: Fair play Luke figures out how to do telekinesis despite never being told how or even knowing it was possible: Fair play Luke is declared a Jedi Master despite not even having a year's worth of training between two Masters: Fair play Rey defeats a mortally wounded man who just finished another fight: Mary Sue Funny how that works...

[@nguyenten6877]

TheKyrix82 dude you are literally commenting on a 6 month old video on a 1 month old comment which has at least 10 seperate comment threads which just shows how every point you are thinking of making has been severely debunked

[@TheKyrix82]

@@nguyenten6877 "a 6 month old video on a 1 month old comment" Turns out there's no statuate of limitations on being wrong. "10 seperate comment threads which just shows how every point you are thinking of making has been severely debunked" Uh no, nothing has been debunked. In order to debunk me, these people would have to know shit about Star Wars, and casuals tend to be kinda bad at that. Half these guys can't even get the events of the movies right, and they don't even realize there's more to the Canon than the movies.

[@nguyenten6877]

@@TheKyrix82 Ok so if you're just gonna try and point out parts of my comment then i guess i will do so aswell "Luke makes Force Assisted Shot despite having no idea how to use the Force: Fair play" how large was the exaust port on the death star "-only two meters wide-" how large is a womp rat "-They were slightly larger than two meters in size-" "When not helping his uncle, Skywalker would occasionally go bulls-eye womp rats" "Luke figures out how to do telekinesis despite never being told how or even knowing it was possible: Fair play" Skywalker focused on analyzing Huulik's lightsaber and trying to learn telekinesis-Skywalker surmised on his own that the Force could be used to manipulate matter in the manner of telekinesis and managed to learn how to move small objects, such as a noodle or a fork.[35] By the time of the Battle of Hoth, Skywalker had the ability to pull his lightsaber to his hands, though not without difficulty.Under Yoda's training, this ability was further developed, enabling him to levitate several objects at once while meditating" "Telekinesis, abbreviated TK,was a neutral ability that most Force-sensitives had " "Luke is declared a Jedi Master despite not even having a year's worth of training between two Masters: Fair play" Skywalker would go on to take on the responsibilities of a Jedi Master by teaching his nephew. However, he was merely playing the role of Jedi Master" "Rey defeats a mortally wounded man who just finished another fight: Mary Sue" Lemme fix that for you Rey a person who just picked up a lightsaber with her only combat knowledge being with a staff which said weapon is based on pure blunt trauma and combat knowledge consisting of wildly flailing at her target until they fall down* Mortally wounded sith who just easily defeated a soldier trained to fight since near birth who also happened to have actual military grade training and said mortally wounded sith was seen intentionally beating hisn wound* "Anger and pain are natural and part of growth. They give you focus. They make you strong."

[@TheKyrix82]

@@nguyenten6877 ""When not helping his uncle, Skywalker would occasionally go bulls-eye womp rats"" The problem here isn't that the shot was made, it was that luke SPECIFICALLY had to use the Force to make it. Poe actually makes a more difficut version of that shot several times in The Force Awakens, when he snipes moving stormtroopers (that are less than 2 meters tall) with his X-Wing while moving at high speed. And I do mean SNIPE, as in using single shots for each. As someone who played a lot of the origina Battlefront on Xbox, that is tricky to do. And the problem is, again, Luke used the Force to make the shot. They COULD have had Luke make the shot with the targetting computer, or had him dead-eye the thing, while having Obi Wan say "Use the Force Luke" when Vader had him cked, using the Force to weave away from his shots and NOT crash into the sides...especially since this is the one use of the Force he WAS taught to do by Obi Wan AND he did it in Canon in the X-Wing Simulator before the Battle of Yavin (The Princess, the Scoundrel, and the Farm Boy). ""Telekinesis, abbreviated TK,was a neutral ability that most Force-sensitives had " Most did, yes, but it wasn't a NATURAL ability. And not one Luke KNEW was possible. The point is, without a master, he figured it out, and Yoda honed it. People go on and on about how Rey picks up powers by sharing Kylo's abilities in the Dyad, while ignoring that Luke literally bullshits his powers into existence. All we would need is a scene where Obi Wan was giving Luke the tail end of a lecture explaining the sorts of things he could do with the Force, but we didn't even get that. ""Luke is declared a Jedi Master despite not even having a year's worth of training between two Masters: Fair play" This was literally a fuck up on my part. I meant to say 'declared a Jedi Knight'. As I haven't gotten completely caught up on the 'between Episode and 7' stuff, I don't know WHAT advances Luke made between then to attain Mastery, and don't want to speculate on that. I was supposed to say 'Knight' there, and had to go back to check that I typed 'Master'. So yeah, that was a verbal fuck up on my part, and I'll accept the blame for that one. As for what you said... "Skywalker would go on to take on the responsibilities of a Jedi Master by teaching his nephew. However, he was merely playing the role of Jedi Master"" He had other students, but that seems a fair enough point, and I won't try to dispute it. That's an idea that completely slipped under my radar, so thanks for adding that to my knowledge pool. "her only combat knowledge being with a staff which said weapon is based on pure blunt trauma and combat knowledge consisting of wildly flailing at her target until they fall down*" Please point to the Canon source that says she only knew how to fight with staffs. Also, staff fighting has been compared to lightsaber fighting as a closer analogue than normal sword fighting would be with how the weapon was handled. But even without that, this is someone who spent their childhood learning how to defend themself in melee combat against opponents who were actualy trying to hurt her, as opposed to someone who picked it up later in life. And as I say in the next part, there are limits to what pain can do for you, and the Dyad means Rey and Kylo are pulling from the same power source and knowledge pool, the difference is, in this fight Rey is heathy and Kylo is not, which is why she has the edge. You'll notice every other fight they have is a draw, because they're in similar states of health and pulling from the exact same pool of strength since the Dyad treats them as one person.

[@carbonreptile5437]

_when she implies luke has no training it showed him training_

[@dareelcabbagelord1332]

😂😂😂

[@TheKyrix82]

Luke had no training. His time with Obi Wan was basically an orientation after a job interview, touring the workspace and saying what everything does without explaining any of it. From that, Luke managed to use the Force in multiple instances, including managing telekinesis despite no one ever telling him it was possible. And when he was training with Yoda, he was never taught anything new, just boosted in things he'd already learned, and he didn't even finish THAT, and then he's a Jedi Knight. Rey on the other hand, had a year of training supplimented with studying the Jedi Texts between 8 and 9.

[@duolightningproductionstud1435]

Luke had more than a couple of years he had some practice in the time between A New Hope and TESB that is why he had very little skill and could just use telekinesis and that is about it his training with yoda was little which is why he lost. I believe 3 years passed which means Luke had a lot more time to learn and a Jedi’s completion of training in some cases is building a lightsaber

[@TheKyrix82]

@@duolightningproductionstud1435 Yes, he had 'practice'. But practice in WHAT? Literally the only thing Obi Wan taught him was how to block blaster bolts with his lightsaber. He also demonstrated that the Mind Trick was a thing. And from that, with no HINT that it existed, Luke figured out telekinesis. 3 years DID pass...between A New Hope and Empire. 3 years with zero training, and just him flailing around trying to reinvent Force Powers that he didn't even know existed. Yoda didn't teach him a single thing he didn't already know, he just clarified things Luke was having trouble with and improved the abilities Luke already had. As for the Lightsaber building, Luke figured that out in Legends by reading a journal Obi Wan had left, and in Canon he figured it out because he received a non-functional purple lightsaber shortly after A New Hope and figured it out by taking it apart...meaning he taught himself how to make a Lightsaber as well. Meanwhile Rey had Kylo's powers from the Dyad, an afternoon of training with Luke, and a solid year of training with Leia while being backed up by the Jedi Texts. And now that Ben Solo is dead, she likely only has her own powers again, so anything she hadn't already learned is gone.

[@duolightningproductionstud1435]

@@TheKyrix82 k

[@5hane9ro]

She's not a Mary Sue, she's the Marriest of Sue's

[@terrylandess6072]

Hopefully the actors made enough money being involved in the most controversial high profile series. Lay low, remind people it was just a job and see if they really can act in the future. Sadly that hasn't worked for the majority of other popular series new talent like Harry Potter or Game of Thrones.

[@frozenlizard3370]

“You shall hence forth be know as Darth Marry Sue.”

[@dooda9566]

@@terrylandess6072 she is married sue

[@BabaDerBaer80]

she was... now the new Mulan claimed that title ahaha

[@phoenixgray9231]

Sequel fans : rey isn't a mary sue Me :i sleep Sequel fans: anakin/luke is a gary sue Me: its treason then

[@adlanharisanimet]

I hate when people say your sexist just because your criticizing a character that is female, it's like the only thing that they care about the character is that she's a female and she supposed to be perfect and better than everyone without the character having to work and earn her power and having any flaws that make us want to see her succeed

[@bluedragon8417]

It always to defend the poorly written characters as well. When they bring out the sexist card as well or so it seems. For when it comes to Rey or Captain marvel. I can easily list a number of characters better than these twos. Emma from a promised neverland, Noelle from black clover. Noelle unlike Rey has to learn how to control her powers. Noelle due to lack of control over her power, is what lead to her becoming the black sheep of her family. She has her time in the spotlight but so do other characters. She is powerful in magic due to being a noble. Which makes sense in context of the setting, for nobles tend to be born gifted when it comes to magic. Rey is powerful for reason? For they don't even use some are born more powerful in the force than others line of logic for Rey. Rey gains the ability to perform the jedi mind trick, after Kylo failed to read her mind? How does that work. I know there is expanded lore that tries to explain it but even that makes no sense. The expanded lore version from what i recall is, somehow she not only stop Kylo from reading her mind but enters his and steals his knowledge of the force. Emma is kind, will put her own health on the line to ensure the safely of others. Is kind of native and far from the smartest character around at the start. She can fail, suffer, be injured, struggle. She overtime grows and learns new skills, becoming smarter. She improves herself. Will go out and save random strangers she knows nothing about and will put her life on the line to do so. Captain Marvel from the mcu. Never has to improve herself. For after switching sides, she never thinks about all the horrors she might of done by working for the bad guys. She never questions anything about herself. You get brainwash and trained by some alien empire for years, find out they are evil. Just switch sides no questions ask. She even blew up a ship of the good aliens while escaping from them. Her powers lack consistency. She can go from being knock out with one shock stick, to tanking three of them no issue. She just becomes more powerful for reasons. Which to explain. She gets knock out with one of these weapons, is taken away and lock up on a ship. She breaks out of the jail and than is attacked with these weapons again. Three of them. She has no time to train or gain a power boost. There is a device you find out later on, that is limiting her power. Which she could of easily have broken at anytime from the way the movie displays how easily that device can be destroy. Yet during this time in the film when she is escaping and attacked by a weapon that should to the knowledge you are given, should be able to knock her out. It doesn't and there is no reason to explain. Was the limiter device failing or something? We don't know. Her one hand blast power, goes from simply being able to blow things up to being able to not only power a engine of a ship but also turn it on and send it flying into space. She has no issue in fighting against her team mates. Even her own commander, who try to get her to fight without her powers. She simply just uses her powers all the time and just mops the floor with him. Proving nothing at all. Which is something that happens in her fights countless times. Anytime it starts to seem like she might be in trouble and need to think her way out of this or do something clever. Nope. She just overpowers them, making any build up to oh no she might be in danger seem pointless. For she always had the power within and was always able to call upon it. Didn't need to overcome self doubt or anything. She is just god. Her character is a wooden plank from a pirate ship. Which that is something the people who are just so willing to throw out sexist don't get. The issue is not them being female. It's the poor writing. It the same issue people had with Kirito. It was not due him being male but the poor writing for his character. If Rey and Captain Marvel were written better like their manga counterparts, {Emma, Noelle] there would be less issues with them. The reason why their eastern counterparts are better written is rather simple. They get treated like everyone else. They need to improve or train to master a skill, struggle and under go challenges and hardships. They are not treated like flawless gods who can do no wrong.

[@maxskyfan]

Honestly, Rey isn't a female at all of if you ponder it over. More like a man pretending to be a woman. Rey is certainly built like a boy. Rey's chest is as flat as a pancake. Arms that look like wet noodles. If she hasn't WOKE UP with all these powers that she turned on like a new MP3 player you might care to ask what is her story, but Disney decided to push that to Chapter 9, then they thought better of it. Now you can buy that ticket for Disneyland and get a coupon for their novel that will finally reveal the mystery box that JJ set up in TFA.

[@kaiseramadeus233]

@@maxskyfan The first half of your comment is why people call us sexist for disliking a character who's female smh

[@lapplandkun9273]

every sjws now pulls the sexist card. Im just numb at this point

[@maxskyfan]

@@kaiseramadeus233 You have failed to understand my point when I explain it as plain as day. This reply is quite empty. Even in the child's game where they give you a clue to how hot you are getting. "You are really hot." * "You are burning up" * "You are on fire!!!" - this case with so little effort on your part I have no idea what you are talking about of if you have any clue what a Mary Sue is at all or what "People" you are talking about or why I should feel a need please anyone at all that wouldn't care to lift half that the finger you do to TRY to come to an understanding. Besides, it's "Do or do not. There is no try" The fact that Rey is female is beside the point, which is humbling that I couldn't stress it and failed to hit the broadside of a barn. But that's the point with Rey as she's little miss perfect. When Finn meets up with Rey he tries to come to her aid. Rey saves herself. Finn grabs hold of her to lead to safety. "LET GO OF MY HAND" she repeats * Rey is captured so Finn lies to everyone so he can save her. * Rey saves herself. The way I understand it from feminists is one the worst tropes of all times is "Damsel in Distress". Rey is clearly written in "GOD MODE" because anything she can't do or any trouble that she can't get out of (they believe) shows a weakness in character when depending on your friends and having your friends back you up and learning from a master that teaches you the skills where you are able to become the master. That is the true path of the hero, but Disney has made a mockery of it. Rey is completely independent. Alone in a wasteland. No aunt or uncle or friends, nothing at all, yet somehow she can protect herself with staff, salvage parts, and fly ships. These abilities were written into her with no explanation. Like when she comes across Luke's lightsaber that was lost with Luke's hand. We ask like with Rey where did it come from. Who is this three-letter marvel that has the power to do anything with no chance of failure, well like how we found Luke's lightsaber that's a story for another day, perhaps we will never answer it because that like using a Mary Sue it is another way to tell a story, by not telling the audience anything at all.

[@scullyf2254]

I don't hate rey but i also don't like her either. She is just boring and bland with no character what so ever.

[@harleyoyelade9988]

Same with the movies too

[@harleyoyelade9988]

I didn’t even care who won the Jedi or the sith we’ve all already decided it’s non canon anyway

[@lilsteez8219]

Agree same with fin. Po I actually thought was a cool character

[@harleyoyelade9988]

lil steez i didn’t know who po even was because I never saw the middle movie tbh there was moments where he tries to be funny but it just doesn’t work the writing for some characters are so bad

[@lilsteez8219]

Harley Oyelade that’s how I feel about most of the new movie characters it’s like weird Disney comedy idk😰

[@kyzendelaguia1063]

Luke: got mauled by a yeti, needed to be carried by Han, failed to lift an x-wing out of a swamp, got his hand cut off and ass handed to him by his dad, he must be a Gary Stu

[@allthingsanime7413]

all of this happened in his 2nd movie

[@justaguywhocomments4795]

@@allthingsanime7413 He got attacked at Mos Eisley and he would have been blown to bits if han didn't show up.

[@allthingsanime7413]

@@justaguywhocomments4795 yea i know whats your point?

[@justaguywhocomments4795]

@@allthingsanime7413 just saying

[@marxjester9802]

OK, I have an analogy for Ray that basically explains to normal people what is wrong with Rey. Imagine there is this cooking series where chefs train day in and day out to get better at cooking food, something everyone knows you can’t do without training. The first season follows a cooking prodigy grow into a masterful chef, with the next season following his son, who aspires to follow in his footsteps. Both seasons show the struggle of learning how to cook, and that it takes hard work to even make the simplest of dishes. Then, in the third season, this young woman from nowhere, totally unrelated to the main characters of the last two seasons, takes the role of the main character. She has never even stepped foot into a kitchen before, but upon the first time she cooked something, she made a beef Wellington, a highly complicated dish that requires an hour of cooking, flawlessly without looking up a recipe, or even prior experience with kitchen wares. The rest of the season is just her flawlessly making dish after dish without screwing up, totally shitting on the themes of the past two seasons. That is essentially what Rey did to Star Wars but replace chefs with space wizards, cooking with The Force, and the kitchen with the Star Wars galaxy.

[@commentcop4503]

Love it great analogy

[@magivenderstudios]

True so true Also the website collider says that in passive aggressive tone ‘Rey is not mary sue DAMMIT IT’ Also i agree and disagree with them Peope percieves things diggerently as long as we and them don’t attack each other

[@tillysmith2103]

If Rey was a spice, she would be flour.

[@Hi-uz3xn]

Little Miss Antisocial not a spice but ok

[@tillysmith2103]

@@Hi-uz3xn, it's a quote.

[@uhlexseeuh]

Hi123 exactly

[@joimumu]

@@tcideh4929 Rey is Sand

[@yugen8195]

Hi123 Wow that flew over ur head lmaooo

[@omegaxtrigun]

“Maybe you don’t have a problem with the movie, but with women.” Is that why there are multiple female characters other than Rey in the Star Wars universe that most people, men AND women, really like? Gee it’s almost as if it’s not her being female that’s the problem. It’s almost like she’s just a poorly written character, and the claims of women hating are just sad attempts to deflect criticism.

[@allthingsanime7413]

legit the best parts of the clone wars show followed ashoka and the best part of the show followed ventress and her adventure in trying to get revenge of count dooku

[@henry6136]

This woman has no points... Luke is not a Gary Sue... he got his ass handed to him several times, and speaking of hands, he lost one of his. Ben solo murdered all of the Jedi Luke was training and destroyed the temple...

[@somegeek153]

Kylo ren: trained by one of the strongest jedi in star wars history, powerful in the dark side and a master of the lightsaber, with many years of combat training constantly growing stronger. Rey: has never left a baren desert world, has never even seen a lightsaber and barley understands the force. Also Rey: beats kylo ren with surprising ease. Yea, she's a Mary Sue

[@elijahhudgins7579]

While I still hate everything to do with the sequels, it actually made sense (sort of) that she won, after Kylo stabbed Han Chewy shot him with the bow caster which earlier in the film we saw literally explode Stormtroopers and rag doll them across the screen so even the fact that Kylo didn’t die there is surprising. I’m not defending Rey at all I hate her as much as the next man, I’m just saying Kylo severely injured before the fight even started

[@TheHorsemanOfTheApocalypse]

@@elijahhudgins7579 pain makes the dark side stronger

[@elijahhudgins7579]

@@TheHorsemanOfTheApocalypse true

[@rileygagnon6917]

Luke has been shown to not be that strong in the new canon. He has the potential but even Dave filoni has recently said that in terms of dueling skills ahsoka is stronger

[@Skycube100]

Shadiversity even pointed out that Rey, is the worst Lightsaber user ever. And for some convenient reason she's always able to defeat Kylo Ren, a dude whom have been trained for a long time, being mentored by goddamn Luke and Snoke. Even if we say he's not the most powerful, we can agree that he's way more experienced than her.

[@IYPITWL]

any experience > none (unless you a sue)

[@callumfinlayson-palmer8393]

I think a gaping hole in him, killing his dad and holding back not to kill Rey all helped in his loss, and he was winning the fight right until he let Rey gain her focus and tap into the force. i always hate it when people have this dumb point as its clear they did not actually watch this seance and is just Parroting other people.

[@adronius147]

The most hilarious part about all this is that in the scene where Kylo and Rey were fighting the Praetorian guard, one of the guards had their second dagger fucking edited out midscene because Rey was so impossibly open that she would've died right there if that dagger was permitted to exist any longer.

[@Skycube100]

@@adronius147 True lol, the choreographers should've just tell Daisy (Rey) to evade or "use the Force" against that blade like seriously it's not hard.

[@TrueNorthProductions]

He's literally been trained by the most powerful light side user in the galaxy AND the most powerful darkside user in the galaxy and this homeless bum can defeat him no problem? Wth? Kylo should be like a god compared to her

[@bobafett407]

I see her point. I mean in ESB he gets ambushed by a creature, his snowspeeder shot down, can't lift his x-wing, and gets his hand cut off (spoilers) in his first light saber fight. He totally is the best at everything the first time he tries anything. In ROJ, he falls into a trap door, gets shot, crashes his speeder, kinda gives into the dark side, does nothing to the Emperor. The whole original trilogy is basically him failing at everything except one shot and seeing the good in his dad.

[@MoffatLee]

It's almost as if his inner strength is more important than having the ability to do anything perfectly.

[@Rikalonius]

I forgot about nearly becoming a Wampa snack. Yup, Luke goes from one ass-kicking to the next. Also, fails the test in the cave, and demonstrates a temperament Yoda initially deems not suitable for a Jedi. Meanwhile Han Solo is ready to bring Rey onto his crew five minutes after meeting her.

[@brandonking5111]

Kirk has at least struggled to beat his enemy's, he's 100% human so whatever can kill us can kill him too, so he mostly relies on his own intelligence, technology, and decent hand-to-hand combat skills. Neo literally loses in every single Matrix movie.

[@ablur5129]

Show just how much she knows about this topic

[@brandonking5111]

@Revan Kirk did die in one of the JJ Abrams Trek movies, so even the crappy Abrams Trek is better than the Abrams Wars.

[@lapplandkun9273]

@@ablur5129 she knows jack shit. In other words: absolutely nothing. She just gets triggered because she loves rey

[@Kissamiess]

@@brandonking5111 Abrams Trek is horrible, he doesn't get that universe at all. I hoped Star Wars would fit him better, but I was proven wrong.

[@brandonking5111]

@@Kissamiess I agree with you there. the last really good Star Trek movie was First Contact.

[@Ethan-hk8se]

For me, the sequel trilogy isn’t cannon, nor will it ever be

[@user-pu1rv5ck5b]

The force is strong with you

[@dooda9566]

Same

[@matthewp2794]

Ditto

[@sheldynh.8320]

Legends will always be the true canon for me

[@allthingsanime7413]

everything up to the 7th movie is still cannon (i liked luke and kylos arc they had before the beginning of the 7th)

[@BSJINTHEHOUSE420]

Rey and Captain Marvel both have something in common... both are unlikable, lol.

[@albertthepeacock8020]

Nahhh Rey/Daisy is cool whereas Marvel is a selfish dick

[@chemostar2361]

Albert The Peacock I feel so bad for daisy ridley. She's been given this poorly written character and you can tell she's putting so much emotion and effort into trying to make her likable. It isn't her fault, it's the script.

[@kliphord123X]

At least the actress for Rey is good unlike brie larson.

[@T29hotrod]

@@albertthepeacock8020 bro they legit changed captain marvel from a guy to a girl .wtf

[@Mish844]

I'm wondering what does it make me if I like both of them.

[@mangomane420]

"Damn so yall believe in aliens and space magic but not poorly written characters wow the misogyny"

[@MouseGoat]

XD

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

Underrated.

[@vmb371]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@incognitomode7394]

Ray is quite possibly the most boring character in all of Star Wars

[@nickv.3573]

I think that title goes to Qui Gon

[@joshpecker4352]

@@nickv.3573 that's were your wrong

[@saurodude]

@@joshpecker4352 I think it's literally anyone from the originals the prequels and the sequels

[@nickv.3573]

@@joshpecker4352 what's interesting about Gui Gon

[@Yomama4455]

Royal Bean 5357 um fin is

[@ghostleemann955]

half the male guys she mentioned lost their parents, immediately when the movie starts

[@Xo-Yanga]

True, like off the top of my head I already thought of two characters, Batman and Spider-Man lol

[@Calum_Smith]

Luke: trains with green boi for days, loses hand, loses father, loses his Kenobi and his family Ray: loses her temper, cries and somehow gets powers Wamen: now that's how you get powerful phhhht Luke and his little problems no wonder Ray is better Me: Q_Q

[@lapplandkun9273]

Anakin: hates sand, loses hand, loses to count Dooku and obi wan, falls to the dark side, gets fried extra crispy on mustafar, loses his mother, loses wife Oh, and hes a whiny teenager.

[@camerongooch9606]

Actually luke trained for a good few weeks as the falcon was travelling at sub light speeds due to the hyper drive being busted so makes him even less of a overpowered character.

[@revolvingworld2676]

John Zhou Fucking Anakin...to me hes somehow as bad as rey

[@g80gzt]

@@lapplandkun9273 also is in shitty life support, purposefully, to make every waking moment miserable to make the dark side power more powerful due to the pain and misery and anger, the negativity.

[@Lazidu931]

Luke is taught by Yoda only what is the Force, some of the Jedi morals and how to lift some rocks, and then few days later has a fight with one of the most powerful Force users of all time, Darth Vader himself. Vader could have easily used the Force pull to trap him in the carbonite frozening hole. But yeah, when Luke falls down there he magicaly knows how to Force jump. Ironicaly the movie spends two entire scenes to show Yoda teaching him how to lift some stuff, although in the begining of the movie we see him pulling the lightsaber to use against a wampa! He somehow knows how to do a Force pull out of nowhere. Funny thing is Luke never even saw someone using the Force pull. The whole wampa scenes are completly useless. You can cut the first 15 minutes and it will not affect the rest of the story at all. I really don't understand how people say it's one of the best movie ever made, or even the best Star Wars

[@qualifiedidiots2165]

7:38 Compare Sarah Conner and Kyle Reece in T1, to how much more capable Sarah is in T2. She's way more effective as a soldier against the T-1000 than Reece was the T-800. She had off-screen Years of training and we see her finishing up what we can only assume were the last of her hundred pull ups that day. When she broke out of the asylum, her attempts were thwarted by understandable interference. And what rescued her made sense in the context of the movie. Her brief learning Spanish at the end of T1 is now speaking with friends who have her bunker of weapons. And what's more, Neither Kyle, John, or the Terminator, are emasculated or made fun of to make her look better, yet the movie isn't devoid of humour. The enemy Skynet is still a powerful force that isn't being prank called, and we never see the T-1000 throwing a tantrum. Do you SEE the difference? We wanted the Terminator 2 of Star Wars with Rey. We gave her the chance. We got Luke drinking paint from a tit.

[@distortzero5601]

Rey has never had any obstacles so far, she is perfect at everything that is why she is a bad character, not because she’s a woman but because she’s a bad character, prove me wrong

[@bigcoffinhunter5500]

I'm on your "side" here, but saying she has never had any obstacles is fucking retarded. Regardless of how bad she's written, shes in an action movie. She's literally in a fucking war.

[@nekosparkclaw2833]

@@bigcoffinhunter5500 A war in which she rarely gets attacked, despite being in the battlefield. Not the sidelines, the center.

[@gavin_chat]

In the new film she is shown to have an incredible identity crisis, even fighting the dark side of herself similar to Luke. While I can understand that it is preposterous for Rey to have such great powers and skill, she is definitely flawed in some ways.

[@hiddensinix2767]

@@gavin_chat yeah and she breaks this barrier of an identity crisis by beating the shit out of a more experienced fighter and force user like 3 times with little to no training

[@randomidk8781]

Lol at TLJ is would be literally killed if kylo wouldn't betray snoke. In TROS at the duel at death star she is defeated by kylo ren. Leia saved her by using the force to "send a message" to kylo that she died. Also again at TROS she would be a sith empress but kylo saved her by coming there and fighting with her. And again at TROS she was literally KILLED. And guess what. Kylo gives his life to her so he died and she came back to life. See? She actually failed many times. Also now I'm thinking of ben being the real hero 😂

[@CameronMetrejean]

It was so nice of her to choose all the best arguments and then fail to prove her point

[@mrbanks456]

Like how she uses the term "gary-sue" and then goes on the say that "mary-sue" is sexist...

[@TrueNorthProductions]

She's so stupid...

[@thebakery3802]

Easy solution, combine them and just call them shit characters, then there’s no feasible way to call it sexist

[@adora8151]

That whole video is horrible but when she said that the force is a “magical power” it become the absolute worst

[@frasechico]

Especially since, y'know, there's actual magic in the Star Wars universe(Nightsisters)

[@Hezigrimm]

Like ok I will allow the "magic power" bit. However when you have an entire lore on how it works and is used.... just marking it off as a "Magical Power" so it doesn't matter how we use it, is completely idiotic.

[@adora8151]

Hezigrimm Completely agree with that

[@internetlurker1850]

The only magic in star wars, as Fraseanchico mentioned, is Nightsister's dathomirian magic/magick.

[@ericthemadscientist8357]

Especially when Voodoo Magic f#*king exist in Star Wars

[@jakedayton9690]

If you want a strong capable Star Wars female then root for Ashoka, who is a well developed character who develops over time

[@theshadowman8801]

Facts

[@ruinerofjokes1418]

In the movie, she was bratty and nobody liked her. And now, she's a fan favorite. Character development is very important.

[@chip5892]

_"If I sass them enough they won't be able to fight back."_

[@theshabs]

Every person she chose to call a "Gary stu" wasn't a Gary stu

[@danielscutaru6682]

Star wars fan: use your senses, Rey Is a Mary Sue Sequel fan : in my point a view Luke is a Gary Stue Star wars fan : well , then your are lost!

[@DJsocial7102]

Gary stue is so stupid of a term.

[@deathblade2639]

@@DJsocial7102 it's an antipod of the Mary Sue

[@DJsocial7102]

@@deathblade2639 i know what it means it just sounds weird to me.

[@tinle9]

@@DJsocial7102 how about Larey sue, sounds and looks dumb. Just like Rey

[@AnksDilxMC]

@@DJsocial7102 Kinda reminds me of that one stormtrooper hmm....

[@vanroyal244]

Let me explain. The defining traits of a Mary Sue is that: - The plot bends for them - They have no character - Everyone loves them, unless they're the enemy. - Every thing they do is right, no matter how bad it actually is. - They are better than everyone. Rey possesses almost all of these traits. Even before she trained, she could defeat Kylo Ren, because the plot needed her alive and well. She is a blank slate with no personality, to the point where she doesn't do anything wrong. Everyone loves her, even if they don't say they do outright, it's obvious. She can defeat palpitonedeaf on the spot. Not even Anakin can do all of that!

[@aimeelou2]

well, honestly, even the enemy starts liking them because of their nonexistent charm

[@simos6jipros154]

Here's Anakin: - The plot ends with him getting all his limbs cut off because of his decision making - Is a very interesting character with major flaws that in the end have consequences - Jedi like Mace Windu and sith like Count Dooku hate him - His choices lead to him getting his arms and legs cut off, being burned by lava and spending his whole life in a painful suit - He is supposed to be the best but his arrogance makes him lose against a more experienced yet less powerful jedi Now that's a character

[@vanroyal244]

@@simos6jipros154 His first appearance was very Mary Sue-ish, but at least they fixed him.

[@simos6jipros154]

@@vanroyal244 Yeah child Anakin was a perfect little shit. Thankfully they fixed him in ep2 and ep3

[@KuroAceVT]

she beat Kylo because he was injured. Category 2

[@AquaStrategist]

The virgin Rey: Mary Sue, narrow minded thought that all Jedi are completely 100% good, steals Leia and Luke’s Lightsabers, changes name because of self esteem issues, friends: ex stormtrooper, and random pilot. Me, Ahsoka: Love of the fan base, the OG female Jedi, fought in the clone wars, recognizes that the Jedi have flaws and ultimately is her own person, recognizes and accepts who she is, makes her own lightsabers, friends: Space Jesus, and the Chosen One.

[@Xo-Yanga]

Ah yes, none other than space Jesus himself lmao

[@InfernosReaper]

Less than 2 minutes in and I'm just like "this person's an obvious shill, which is highlighted by how no real points are made to counter the claim that Rey is a Mary Sue. There doesn't seem like there will be much substance there." When she was like "Rey can do this because that's the plot of the movie" my eyes rolled so hard that they detached and is now free-spinning in the socket. I'm literally typing this using the force. It's an interesting experience...

[@Good_Watch]

"Free spinning in the sockets" I was wheezing

[@ilhandaanish2381]

Good Watch Honestly with that sentence it’s already better than the sequels

[@Good_Watch]

@@ilhandaanish2381 yea

[@J1O2C3K4E5S]

She’s basically admitting she’s a plot device rather than a character..

[@vmb371]

USING the force?? I'm sorry did you know that the force is female??? Are you saying that you're USING WOMEN??? That women are objects that you can USE??? You're a misogynist!!! No wonder you didn't like these movies wonderful and perfectly made by the hand of God HERself

[@whiskerstars]

“Michael Bay is the next Stanley Kubrick.” Dude I’ve been saying this since TMNT 2.

[@alexandervillagran6502]

The most amazing comeback to big box office earnings! I will use this in the future! I was laughing my ass off!

[@Nah_id_win_883]

"You don't like rey because she is strong female character!" Me: i like ahsoka.

[@Xo-Yanga]

Also me: I like padme and satine

[@TheHorsemanOfTheApocalypse]

Abeloth is probably the strongest character in star wars

[@Alex-uq1el]

Leia's really cool. Aayla Secura was a great character in the Clone Wars. So was Bo Katan. Jyn Erso was an amazing protagonist. Asajj Ventress was a badass antagonist. Trilla Suduri was a great villain for Jedi Fallen Order, and Cere was a fairly compelling character with her whole origin story. Anybody else?

[@ajl9772]

Harry is the chosen one, but he isn't the best at everything. He has some things he excels at like Quitich and Defense against the dark arts. Then there are some things he is awful at like occulemeny. He also has some personality flaws like using a spell he didn't know what would do on an opponent or getting impatient with his friends. Tony Stark starts off as a flawed person. He's a greedy narcissist who doesn't care what his weapons are used for. He changes and becomes a hero although he still has some narcissistic personality traits. He always thinks he's right to the point where he divides the team by being too controlling. Neo isn't the most interesting character, but he isn't all powerful off the bat. He fails numerous times. It isn't until he starts believing who he is that he gets powerful and even then he isn't invincible. He actually gets killed. Batman had to train for years to get where he's at. He's still one of the weakest heroes in his universe. He has to use his mind to strategically beat most of his opponents. Even if you wanna say he's too physically and mentally strong he has personality flaws. He doesn't trust easily, he's obsessive, likes isolation among other flaws. Luke had to train to earn his power. Vader pretty much schooled him in Empire because Luke wasn't ready. Vader was toying with him most of the fight. His personality flaw is just like his fathers that he would act without thinking. He took a vision of the future to be 100% true and abandoned his training. Kirk whether it be the old one or new one is flawed. He depends on his crew for almost every mission. Rey hasn't needed anyone for anything yet. In FA she rescued herself out of Starkiller base and defeated Kylo her first time wielding a lightsaber. In TLJ she scolds Luke for giving up on Kylo leaves and rescues everyone. They briefly showed her being upset about her parents, but this wasn't really explored. It didn't cause her to do anything or provide any real temptation to anything bad. I don't call her a Mary Sue, I just call her a poorly written character. I think they can still salvage her character if they handle episode IX correctly.

[@MetalMoose13]

Ah! But Harry isn't the chosen one. He's just the decoy.

[@ricardodemarco3486]

@@MetalMoose13 Are you sure? perhaps being labeled a "decoy" is what is actually hiding from the baddies the fact that he is the reue chosen one! (now that sounds confusing).

[@ricardodemarco3486]

Perhaps the only way to explain Rey super traits and skills in Ep IX is by making her a clone, a product, a modified human being geneticaly engineered by someone in the sadows (cough, cough, Palpatine) and boom, Rey's parental issues explained and solved.

[@MetalMoose13]

@@ricardodemarco3486 N...no. Harry is the decoy. Neville was the chosen one the entire time. Unassuming, forgettable, overlooked Neville. Then again, the prophecy itself was very open ended, so anyone born in that year during that particular time frame were all potential chosen ones.

[@richardstrage3682]

the first time rey sits in a gun turret she scores a tripple shot, THREE tie fighters with one shot....

[@themaninthechair4338]

Everyone: Man if only there was a strong female Jedi who started off flawed then became better, stronger and more likeable over time *Thomas the Tank Engine theme plays* Everyone: Oh yeah... *Ahsoka Tano blasts through the wall*

[@rudolfogar1886]

Rey is hot garbage. She can't even swing the lightsaber correctly, nor get into good stance during training. The Disney additions to Star Wars really messed up the franchise.

[@mattcav1649]

In empire strikes back not only did he lose Vader wasn’t trying to kill him, he was trying to turn him to the dark side

[@ilhandaanish2381]

Honestly notice how when she’s talking her nose starts rising to heaven. Yeah should already show what kind of person she is

[@engineerskalinera]

War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength. Rey is A Good Character.

[@maden4039]

Accurate

[@engineerskalinera]

@Angie Reyes This was an obvious joke. Notice how all 4 statements are incorrect. Rey is a shit character.

[@James-oj6ru]

Engineer Skalinera // Neon Nickel actually, war is peace in a way If you want money for the trade of many lives

[@thebakery3802]

The difference being the first 3 are supposed to be a psychological eye opening question that have abstract proof. And Rey is simple

[@InfiniteLilith]

Everybody gangsta with the 1984 refrence til you realise Disney is becoming so big the possibility of it becoming the new Big Brother isn't that small anymore

[@fontunetheteller410]

The only “Gary sue” that DOES work, is Superman. But even then with his awesome power, many of his comics are about him pondering his place in the universe and the morality of his power. Literally discussing Nieche’s Ubermach

[@Will-q3l6y]

He isn't at all!! How about the kryptonite??

[@fontunetheteller410]

Sandor Clegane sorry I think you need to rephrase your argument

[@Will-q3l6y]

@@fontunetheteller410 i meant that Superman cannot be considered a male Mary Sue because he is vulnerable to the kryptonite!!

[@fontunetheteller410]

Sandor Clegane still, kryptonite has kinda been ignored lately. It’s too simple a plot device

[@Missingno_Miner]

Yeah, particularly in the movies, superman is a Gary stu

[@FrostReach66]

“minus Adam West” Damn right

[@mattthedestroyer2804]

Me: goes to original video and see dislike to like ratio* Me: "I love democracy"

[@CertainOverlord]

hahhaaha

[@lordfifth3106]

Becomes a bit of a circle jerk tho. Everyone just repeating the same shit with no different opinions

[@arcturns9616]

As Luke Skywalker once said... "Amazing, every word of what you just said... was wrong."

[@Missingno_Miner]

"Its jake skywalker, not luke skywalker" -Mark hamill, very loosely paraphrased

[@skullegion]

This video was very tough to get through that woman was incredibly aggravating

[@lapplandkun9273]

she has a punchable face, that's for sure

[@theadeptuscustodes]

Ya know, in the Matrix, Neo did in fact train. And learned his powers through out the trilogy

[@carbonreptile5437]

he got his ass kicked by morpheus for training

[@TheDalinkwent]

Not to mention had to die to reach his full potential and then had to sacrifice himself to win.

[@0hvist]

Rey isn't a Mary Sue... ...She *_REDEFINES_* the term Mary Sue! She is the Mary Sue that ALL Mary Sues would want to be.

[@DemonicRemption]

@Ohvist Small Rey doesn't redefine squat. She's just called a Mary-Sue because it's an easy criticism to make... Because Rey's got a mountain of problems aside from just being perfect...

[@ARCtrooperblueleader]

Saying Rey isn't a Mary Sue is like saying WW2 never happened.

[@Preston_Hudson]

ARCtrooperblueleader but it didn’t happen, just like the moon landing. Jeez, uncultured swine,jkjk

[@isaacvitela5131]

@@Preston_Hudson that's nothing, saying Rey that isnt a Mary sue is like the women's right to vote didnt even exist

[@James-oj6ru]

Isaac vitela No no no, saying Rey isn’t a marry sue is like saying someone that loves and respects women a nazi that hates Muslim (go read history and you know why)

[@dank_crusad3r]

Well that escalated quickly

[@Astroryx]

“You’re Sexist/Misogynistic.” The most Mary Sue/Gary Stu argument since forever.

[@samael4550]

So basically her “argument” is that Luke is a Gary Stu, therefore Rey isn’t a Mary Sue? Or, neither of them are? But then, why is she even comparing Rey to Luke in the first place? She has no clue what she’s talking about.. who let her have a channel? The rest of the vid is literally her dodging the arguments placed forth and just straight up lying (saying Rey trained) lmao.

[@-autumnfeelings]

And Luke wasnt grate right away. He lost his hand and almost got killed.

[@annak48972]

She is bad at expressing her point. She seems to believe that the concept of Mary Sue shouldn't exist because it's created by men to be anti-woman. By calling Luke a Gary Stu, she is trying to say "See, you fanboys okay with it when men do it. Therefore, sexism! " To her, it proves that Mary Sue is a sexist term to put down strong women. Where this fails is that Luke is not really a great example of a Gary Stu, so he's differentiated from Rey (she's like a textbook example). Even excluding the Mary Sue argument, Luke is a more memorable character. He has better writing and that's why people like him. What I truly don't understand is how anyone can defend the godawful writing in the sequels with a straight face. You can argue about the term "Mary Sue" all day, but Rey's characterization is still bad.

[@Cecilia-ky3uw]

ill concede luke is a gary stu if i see the arguments

[@skane5410]

Why Rey Isn’t A Mary Sue: Explained By A Mary Sue.

[@lizzie8742]

Title: Rey isn’t a mary sue? Thumbnail: still a mary sue Me: visible confusion

[@Xo-Yanga]

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[@mrbugbite7161]

Iron Man/Tony Stark: battled addiction, ptsd, and lost so many people HE’S A MARY SUE!!! Batman/Bruce Wayne: ptsd, depression, and fails to find the murderer of his parents JUST AS PERFECT AS REY!!!! Harry(never watched going by what I know): bullied by his uncle SUCH A GARY STEW Luke Skywalker: made clear he didn’t come from nothing in a new hope when Ben tells him about how he and his father fought in the clone wars, trained with yoda on dagobah (a clip SHE SHOWED) and loses to vader in his first hand to hand battle CAME FROM NOTHING!!!!! Neo(don’t know much about the matrix so I’m gonna try my best) experienced guy who gets visited by trinity because she knows about the fact he’s one of the biggest hackers out there OMG WHY AREN’T WE ATTACKING HIM

[@SirMicahBroch]

Something for Neo: he gets his ass kicked throughout every second of the first movie. He barely wins other fights in the other movies, in fact he loses the final battle. GARRY STEW! And for Kirk: he only wins with the help of Spock and Bones, gets ass handed to him a lot,

[@expandapantsii341]

She’s basically goku if you skip literally every episode except for the main frieza, cell and maijin Buu fights

[@patriotgamingllc.7059]

You know I thought about that but Goku does have flaws too, there’s been a couple times where he couldn’t beat an opponent and has been killed by Cell, your argument is still valid though

[@expandapantsii341]

@@patriotgamingllc.7059 ye I’m aware, but what I meant was her power, she’s like constantly at ssj 3 lmao

[@TheBigBoopy]

Theres a difference between being unlikable and a Mary sue. You use them interchangeably

[@regiman222]

There is a difference, but the 2 aren't mutually exclusive. You can have an unlikable character who is also a Mary Sue.

[@Dingo-wk5ed]

Lonly Wanderer True but while Rey at times is a little too much like a Mary Sue, she still has a personality and charisma. After three movies I can’t tell you shit about the personality or goals of Mac Windu or Padme beyond they are stern or some shit. I just don’t see why she can be unlikable yet people like obnoxious baby Anakin and fucked up horny Anakin that come out of nowhere and isn’t developed properly since it’s such a leap.

[@ДаниилЖевнерев-т9ы]

@@Dingo-wk5ed of which personality and charisma are you talking about? All Rey's personality is being an ostensibly nice scavenger girl with maybe some loneliness issues and affection seeking. Padme is a well-written character. She has a meaningful motivation to oppose the villain: as a democratic-minded politician she's opposed to the militaristic and authocratic Palpatine and as a representative of Naboo she's opposed to the Trade Federation (which is secretly controlled by Palpatine) for occupuing her home planet. She has meaningful relationships with two other main characters, being a friend to Obi-Wan (who played a crucial role in Naboo conflict) and a love interest to Anakin. She's also a good subversion of "toothless and vegetarian democratic politician" stereotype, being, when needed, a strong and determined leader who's ready to fight for people and causes she feels obliged to protect. She's also just plain badass for fighting on par with her Jedi comrades despite not being Force-sensitive. And her story arc has a good conclusion: since the Prequels were intended as a tragedy, her story ends with her political ideals being shattered as everyone supported the Republic-to-Empire transition, and two people who were her closest friends turning mortal enemies on each other, which leads to her losing the will to live and eventual death. Anakin is also a well-written character. He's screwed up and horny because he's a former slave from a backwater planet who has been inducted as a warrior monk since childhood, but never actually understood the Jedi codex. He struggles between his loyalty to Jedi Order and its philosophy, his love for Padme (which is blatantly immature because he never had any romantic interactions back then) and prospects of a military career in the Republic. He deals with trust issues which eventually alienate him from his former comrades and turn to Palpatine's help. He is shown to be very afraid of not being able to save his loved ones since he can't forgive himself for not being able to save his mother, which eventually leads to his downfall as he falls prey to Sidious' manipulations that lead him into becoming a Sith and taking the Vader persona. His story arc's conclusion takes it all into account since he plays a role in Padme's demise despite being ready to do anything to save her, betrays his Order and steps on his principles despite formerly being a good Jedi and close friend of Obi-Wan, becomes a tortured slave of an uncaring and abusive master despite valuing freedom above else and is set to be the interstellar boogeyman despite wanting to be honored as a war hero.

[@rverdict9013]

@@ДаниилЖевнерев-т9ы you. Are my spirit animal.

[@Ayr1n_0]

Imagine having one Sith or Jedi *This was made by the prequel gang*

[@GanonGhidorah]

4:11 - Kirk is a captain with years of training and experience on his side. So Fail there... Luke was a farm boy who got his ass kicked at literally every turn in the first movie, got his hand cut-off in the second movie; hell, the movie has TWO lines mentioning that he has failed. Double Fail. Tony Stark isn't a genius through natural talent - he was raised by one of the smartest and most brilliant inventors of the 20th Century who strove to make sure his son followed in his footsteps and got the best education imaginable; even at the cost of their relationship. And Tony himself - you literally see one of his biggest struggles and failures in the first hour of the movie. He's captured by terrorists, and after all that work to make sure he and Jenson escape together, Jenson reveals his plan was always to sacrifice himself to give Tony a second chance at life. That's really why Tony is so screwed-up with guilt in Civil War over the people who didn't get saved in Sokovia - to him, everyone of them is Jenson; he's still in that cave, unable to save him...So triple fail. Harry Potter is literally the chosen-one by accident - and in name-only. Throughout the novels, Harry is constantly screwing up and NOT being the best at magic, despite being the Arch Enemy of Wizard Hitler. And worse, almost every one of Harry's teachers has been out to get him, with only very few exceptions. Harry failed to save Cedric Diggory when the trap was for him and him alone; Cedric didn't even need to be there, so his death really is Harry's fault. WORSE, Harry gets his OWN Godfather killed! The one moment where Harry was absolutely certain he was doing the right thing to save Sirrus Black's life, is the action that directly causes the man's death! Harry is NOT a Gary Stu, not even in the movies...Quadruple Fail. The only one close to being a Gary Stu in this group is Neo because of his initial-Jesus-Metaphor beginnings, but even HE doesn't count as a Mary Sue. For the one thing, despite having all of his martial arts mastery downloaded into his brain, he still fails to defeat Morpheus in a training duel and literally has to break the rules just to lay ONE hit on the man. Then he fails to make the jump. Hell, he has to DIE to get his powers. And more than that, when it comes between the choice of saving the human race and saving ONE woman's life...Neo screws his entire species just to save his screw! That's a Major Failure! The entire purpose of Neo is that he had to FAIL to succeed; the fact that Smith had grown so far out of control that the only way was to sacrifice Neo in order to stop him, completes the Jesus Metaphor. Sorry but someone who has to die to win is by definition NOT a Gary Stu. Quintuple Fail... And...Batman...the guy who is a trained forensic investigator, flew all around the world to train from various forms of martial arts to become a Ninja, and who constantly fails all the time - especially when it comes to saving people, which is his ONE goal...Yeah...Sextuplet Fail... That's an F on her report-card.

[@currentparadise8821]

GanonGhidorah GanonGhidorah this literally also proves she’s right as well. Yea everyone u listed had flaws sure, but they still were never in any real danger despite everything that’s happening to them. Most of the shit that is happening to those characters should have killed most of them in there first movie. Kirk is experienced sure but not on every uncharted planet they venture to and certainly not up against every technological alien threat they encounter that is usually more advanced than enterprise and yet he survives each time except of course the side characters, bc someone has to die for realism sake in a battle...so no not really a fail more like luck from the writers to keep the main character alive lol Luke was a bratty farm boy who was suddenly strong with the force...and honestly the force is nothing special but telekinesis and telepathy and a revival technique as of now lmao...anyway he manages to use the force to retrieve his light saber bc obi wan gave him a little telepathic inspiration to believe and it was that simple. He survived the weird garbage pit with the fucking squid thing in it from pure luck and timing of C3P0 and R2D2. He managed to destroy the Death Star with a 1 in a million shot. It’s mentioned multiple times it’s a difficult shot to make and he’s never even been in a space battle before and still pulls it off. Vader was even about to kill Luke in that scene but as luck would have it from the writers he’s saved just in time by Han Solo, and all this is in the first movie before his training even began lmao 😂 and even after losing a hand and only being half trained he still beats Vader, he still somehow manages to survive the dozens of storm troopers firing at him left and right even though they are literally trained soldiers in every movie. Harry Potter is not only chosen in name he was part of a prophecy as well as Neville but Voldemort saw Harry as stronger. Harry didn’t know anything about magic until Hagrid arrived when he was 11 since then he’s been doing magic better than anyone else at Hogwarts. He best at Quidditch being the youngest seeker in a century Ron even said first years never make the house team. He made a full patronus with little training with Lupin. He managed to survive several dementor attacks without ever getting his damn soul sucked clean out. He’s always up against adult death eaters which I’m sure have way much more experience than Harry and his friends and yet they somehow escape every time. Voldemort could have killed him in the graveyard after murdering Cedric and yet he does his bad guy monologue to give him a chance to escape...once again it’s called luck from the writers. He even faces a goddamn dragon at 14 and survived with no experience with dragons at all. Neo had never used his body physically for at least 20 years and within a few weeks tops he new how to walk despite basically being in incubation his entire life. He managed to defeat smith in the first movie bc all he had to do was Believe...Morpheus even says it. He lost his eyesight in revolution and was still able to see and then he developed super fucking powers. The architect could have cared less which door neo went through the machines despised humans and were gonna wipe them out either way. Plus neo was never dead he could still see after defeating smith in the end. They show you the scene from his point of view as he’s being dragged away by the machines. As for Batman he goes up against some pretty super powerful villains and still manages to beat them bc of his so called iron will lmao 😂 That heavy ass bat suit alone should make speed and agility harder to defend ones self. He had his fucking spine broken by Bane and he recovered within a few weeks after a make shift blind prison “doctor” pushed his spine back in place and forced him to stand in a make shift baby door jumper lmao😂😂😂 Tony stark was adopted by Howard and his wife in the comics and never really had a healthy relationship with tony either. Tony basically followed in Howard’s footsteps to make him proud which is why he’s an arrogant asshole when we’re introduced to him. However before u go thinking I’m making your point tony literally should have died when his own weapon exploded basically in his face. He was pretty close and it knocked him out. There’s no telling how long he was there with that shrapnel in his chest, until the terrorist found him and got him back to their hide out to then save him. Sorry but no he should be dead. Also he got over yensin pretty quick by the second movie he was back to his assholish arrogant self until he found out he was dying from his own reactor. Whiplash should have killed him at the nascar scenes but of course he’s saved by Happy by bringing his suit-case lmao. After the events of the second movie the government should have literally by law removed his suite from his possession bc it would have looked as tho Tony endorsed the machines that whiplash made go crazy. Tony would have been in jail at least until they sorted everything out. And he should have died many times in iron man 3 plus in avengers as he flew the missile into the portal, he was in space...his fucking suite should have frozen along with him. In the first iron man he didn’t even get out of earths orbit before his suit started to freeze...and even if he did fix the problem I have a hard time believing his suite could withstand outer fucking space...and of course he manages to fall back out of the portal just before it closes up...LUCK! From the writers. Trust me just bc these characters are original which is why many people don’t wanna call them Gary Stus they’re still Gary Stus. All of these characters should be fucking dead. If all your looking for is emotional realism to cancel out them being Gary Stus go ahead, but that doesn’t make their amazing ability to avoid certain death realistic at all. They’re all amazingly good at something even with a little training bc u guys just must have the training montage to make them un Gary Stuable lmao but they still fit the Gary Stu title. Everyone likes all of them even when they’re assholes to people unless of course we need a team up that makes conflict more drawn out and dramatic cough cough avengers and civil war. They’re all chosen or have some sort of specific ability that sets them apart from everyone else. Almost all main fiction characters are Mary/Gary Sues. And like it or not Rey had emotional conflict, she did struggle...was it like the characters listed no but she did have her internal struggles she did have you guys stupid ass training sessions u like so much. She even found out she is the granddaughter of fucking palapatine the reason for all the problems in Star Wars lmao thats gotta be a lot deal with and it shows, people are just wanting everything to be so fucking realistic with struggles that they attack on anyone who says otherwise. It’s ok to have Mary Sues, it’s not some feminists agenda why would feminists have an agenda they want equality for all. Misandrists have agendas absolutely...they’re the ones who hate me and I don’t see why Hollywood would try to appeal to a hate group. That’s like saying slave movies appeal to white supremacists. You guys need to calm down at the end of the day it’s just a movie. This girl made some good points and no one is wrong they’re Gary Stus for sure that just have a few flaws to make them more relatable

[@nazeemoftheclouddistrict7205]

Ah yes, the classic "it has dragons in it, so poor character development is permitted "