Royal Enfield Himalayan 450 vs CF Moto Ibex 450: I've Ridden Both

[@DorkintheRoad]

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[@unclebadger597]

Why can I not add a comment?

[@ralphfoley4827]

I prefer the Himalayan simply because it has a main stand. Makes for easy maintenance, chain adjustments and tyre repairs.

[@d0b0b]

A centre stand is available for the 450MT for $150.

[@kawabungah20]

It's really good to get this comparison on these two machines. No one delivers a short, to-the-point, motorcycle comparison like The Dork! Thanks.

[@Glenn_T]

I'm 57 and, thanks to channels like yours, I just bought my first adventure bike last week. The CF Moto 450 Ibex. Should be receiving it in Jan/Feb of the new year.

[@bwnco]

ill trade my super duper all ready modified versys x300.. LOL kidding... my first bike but love it .. but looking at 450 or Himlayan

[@TheChillBison]

Just curious what your OTD price was. Or did you only put down a deposit so far?

[@Glenn_T]

@@TheChillBison Good morning. Base price in Canada is $7,999.00 plus the usual PDI, Freight, Administrative fees, tire tax and sales taxes for just over $9,900.00 out the door.

[@aluminiumsloep]

Massive props for the CF Moto app with locator function & fencing and much more including mapping etc....

[@denniswilliams5659]

Thanks Ben as usual great info. I just turned 70 and currently riding a 2022 KLR. Looking for something a little lighter with better suspension, and was so glad to see both of these guys hitting the market soon. Now just if dealers don't mark them up ridiculous amounts. Keep up the great work.

[@bwnco]

im 67 an love my verysy x300... 380lbs.. my first bike,, had no problem an taken it all over 50/50 pave gravel an some single tracks an few times ive dropped it.. ez breezy pick up.. added a bash plate, carry tire sealant n little compressor.. Been great so far an alot of fun.. bit buzzy at higher revs on highway. but for the money an there used ones all over.. I love mine , actually looking at Himalyn though for kicks.. whom knows

[@meanwileinthedesert..2320]

I couldn't recommend a dr650 more for both of you. You could sell ur klr, and get a used already modified dr650 and still have $ left over for luggage. 100lbs lighter and 10 more horse power. Smaller frame, amazing handling and road handling. Downside, it does need mods from stock. But all mods are very base level skill requirements. Suuuuper simple.

[@randymcgiveron3268]

I was kind of excited about its low price. However, my local dealer quoted me $8,800 out the door. I'm not quite as excited about it anymore.

[@meanwileinthedesert..2320]

@@randymcgiveron3268 dude nooo. Look at used market. Never buy a dinosaur new. Most on the used market are already modified, already tuned to a higher hp. And often just need a bath and new plastics. For half the price! With basic care they commonly roll over the miles on the speedo. A dr with 30,000 miles. Is still quite young with plenty of life left.

[@bwnco]

@@meanwileinthedesert..2320 was gonna be my first one..But then this versys popped up on raigs list with 920 miles.. $4200.. couldnt pass it up. I found a 650 allready modified out 1200 miles.. but 6500 an 500 miles further... im still looking at dr..even joined there forum.. love the simplicity..

[@4LowRocks]

Great comparison; looking forward to some longer term tests! These bikes really represent what I think most riders who want to experience ADV riding really want - an opportunity that most other well established manufacturers missed (it'll be fun to see what they chose to do about that). A Yamaha T450, say a Transalp 450, even a BWM F450 ... ah yes the potential is really there.

[@UncleLayne]

This is exactly what I was hoping you'd say about them. I gathered from the majority of the other reviews that they're both very capable and comparable in most aspects, so it's nice knowing that there are now 2 excellent low displacement and low price ADVs for people to pick between. I'm really tempted to talk to my 70 year old dad and see if he wants to get one of them next year while I get the other, then we can ride and compare and swap back and forth whenever we want

[@Luk_3]

Great review. The ibex 450 from cfmoto is a no brainer. Love the Himalayan but bang for buck the cfmoto is the better bike. Ive road Harleys and super sports my entire 20s. But now that I’m in my 30s I want something lighter than a Harley but more comfortable than a sport bike. So here I am getting started on adventure bikes. Thanks for the vids!

[@GameOn82]

Here in Europe, RE is actually a bit more expensive, and CF has a 4 year warranty. RE has a better fuel economy, and CF has a lot smoother engine and better sound. RE is a bit more top heavy, CF has foldable mirrors and adjustable windscreen. RE has built in navigation but it's useless as you have to have your phone unlocked to work. CF has a gps tracker if your bike gets stolen. All in all, it's down to some nitpicks, try them both, and decide for yourself.

[@BlazinBlades]

It’s important to reiterate: 17” rear has many more road oriented tire choices while 18” has more offroad options. If you go as far as a 70/30 off/on combo the 17” is probably enough and will give you those fantastic road sticking tires which are not available in a size 18 rear. If you’re more interested in going allout offroad than 18” is your obvious choice! Thanks for a wonderful and concise vid 🍻🍻

[@timeaftertime3563]

According to other reviewers the Himi has a noticeable better fuel economy. Good to consider for some of us.

[@JagLite]

Nice short comparison! It certainly sounds like both are very good bikes and we are lucky to have them in addition to all the larger and much more expensive adv bikes.

[@christophervincent77]

I'm not interested in either of these bikes but I still appreciate learning about them. Thanks :)

[@SumPixelz]

Thx Dork, I am hoping you will do a more detailed analysis between these two bikes. One big difference I think is the mileage, I’ve heard from different channels that the Himi is actually quite a bit more fuel efficient than the MT.

[@fernandoz9218]

@@SumPixelz 3,5L /100km himalayan, 4,5L 450MT

[@SumPixelz]

@@fernandoz9218 that’s a huge difference

[@fernandoz9218]

@@SumPixelz Yes, but also remember that the Himalayan needs valve adjustment every 10,000km and the CFmoto every 40,000km, on the other hand oil changes are every 5,000 in CFmoto and 10,000 in Himalayan, although it is not a problem if you do it yourself outside the brand's warranty.

[@fernandoz9218]

It's hard to decide between these 2 bikes

[@SumPixelz]

@@fernandoz9218 I bought a Himi

[@robbcollins3727]

Both bikes are in my field of view…, leaning towards Himi, I like the retro simplicity. Looking forward to your more in depth review, Thanks!

[@FlatBrokeAdventures]

Thanks again Dork. I'm 57 and have been riding for 7 years but because of you I bought a 450MT as my 1st adventure bike. I got the bike in late June and have done 1600km/1000mi on it and love it. I haven't ridden it in the last 7 weeks as I fell off it and the bike landed on my foot and did some damage. I've since bought some decent motocross boots and hope to get back on today

[@jamesonpace726]

Nice job, Mr Dork. Doesn't make my choice any less difficult, so yeah, thanks for that....

[@MrShad73]

Thanks Ben still enjoying my 23 KLR however I have been watching both of these bikes. They both look very attractive and a lighter option to the KLR. Would love to try one of these on a trail. My KLR can get heavy with my little off road experience.

[@HenryCalderonJr]

Thank you for your greats reviews and objective reports overall! Look forward to watching your channel!

[@malcolmmackinnon6849]

Thanks for comparing these bikes. Like you said, I do appreciate ADV bikes tailored to suit shorter riders. The bike needs to fit the rider. That said, being 6'4" with a 36 inch inseam, I'd appreciate a low cost ADV bike tailored to suit a taller rider. Perhaps someday the manufacturers will sell a taller version of the bike with greater seat to peg height, so those of us with longer legs don't feel like they're riding a mini bike.

[@jamesvalpuesta]

The CF450 has a tall seat for a couple of hundred bucks. 870mm better ??

[@msims1250]

I’m interested in both bikes, with my initial leaning being towards the CFMoto. Luckily enough, a shop somewhat local to me is a dealer for both brands. I hope to get a chance to sit on each one soon. Thanks for your insights, Ben.

[@twowheeladventures63]

A lot of CF Moto dealers only have ATVs/quads, etc. and do not carry motorcycles. So take that dealer number with a grain of salt. I have a "local" CF Moto dealer but the nearest one with bikes is 3 hours away.

[@Sleepykek]

Great point. I have exactly the same issue. Four dealers are "nearby" but none of them have any of the CF Moto motorcycles.

[@tonyrichengod9280]

The point is that you can reach them easily in case you need support. Stop complaining

[@Trackandshield]

@@tonyrichengod9280 it doesn't work like that.

[@cloud9847]

I think I'm in the same boat. My 'local' CFmoto dealer only has ATVs and stuff. Nearest with a motorcycle, specifically the ibex 450, is something like 2hrs to 4 1/2hrs away from me.

[@josephrockey2000]

The local quad dealer can get motorcycle parts. The farther away motorcycle dealer that sell CFmoto says they can get quad parts. I don’t understand the problem…

[@carbon_wavelight]

But like, specifically, how different do they feel when riding? How does the weight transfer in corners? How do they handle g-outs and whoops differently? Is one more stable than the other? Is one more comfortable tractoring up a steep incline? Are water crossings different? Does water collect in the subframe of either bike? I understand your advice was to test ride both, which I agree with, but that’s not really why I came to youtube. I was sort of hoping you could tell us

[@deltabluesdavidraye]

The RE is stressed member. No bottom subframe

[@MotorDanko]

the cfmoto is pure softness, luxury and confort, the bike is great sitting, great standing, the suspension eats all, the engine does not show any vibrations to the pegs or handlebar whatosoever... if you close your eyes and block your ears you have no idea of what rpm the engine goes because how smooth it is... the RE vibrates on low rpm up to 5000rpm but at highway rpm is very calm... the seat on the cfmoto is far superior, in the himalayan is like sitting in a cushioned metal tube... the metal tank in the himalayan is more harsh on the knees and is lower so it gives an overall worse support while the cfmoto is tall and the plastic is better molded for the knees... the cfmoto is far superior in everything...

[@mlinuxgada]

OMG, Yes, finally. Tnx man, I've been waiting for that,

[@jtec99]

Been looking forward to this one brother.

[@DorkintheRoad]

Hopefully we get a more in-depth comparison later on. ;)

[@bryanmitchell5790]

Well, that was a pretty good comparison on the two might have to go check both of those out. They look interesting.

[@paultannahill5043]

"Both have shockingly good suspension…" I see what you did there.

[@flatlandriver2471]

There’s just no bottom to the semantics Ben sneaks in to the conversation

[@MrDavidfuchser]

I don't see what he did there, or at least nothing springs to mind.

[@aaaces01]

Both have their ups and downs

[@TheChillBison]

I'm really thinking one of these would be perfect for my next stage of riding, but kinda ticked off that so many people are saying "$6500 is such a great deal for these bikes!" when there's nobody that's going to get one of these for anywhere close. A dealer near me estimated $8300, which is more than 25% extra, and I've seen used Tenere 700s for close to that. Maybe most people aren't like me and just sign their name to whatever financing arrangement is given them, but as someone trying to keep this hobby cash-based, $8k+ suddenly doesn't seem like such a great value. And I know KZbinrs can't know exact prices if not even dealers do, and that fees vary a bit, but I don't think you should be saying it will cost only $6500 when it will be AT LEAST 7500 at any dealer for folks who want to buy new.

[@advredbikes]

Thanks Ben for that great review on both bikes, both look really good, but I think the ibex for me would be the winner if I was going to buy one of the two, looking forward to your next video thank you.

[@alozborne]

All other things being pretty much equal, I prefer the characteristics of a parallel twin vs a thumper so I'm more interested in the Ibex 450. But, in both cases, I'm going to wait a couple of years before selling my super reliable 2022 CB500X and taking a gamble on either of these unproven bikes. It's so nice, though, to see this small displacement ADV segment get more attention from manufacturers. If there was a comparable Japanese ADV, with a wet weight lower than 180 kg (400 lbs), then I wouldn't hesitate. Hopefully Honda, Kawasaki, and Suzuki are paying attention to the Ibex 450 and Himalayan 450...

[@juliancain6128]

Thanks DR, BDR capable is all I needed to hear...looking forward to more!

[@tommykawasaki9676]

Solid information. I am excited to see the Ibex at our local dealership. They figure December.

[@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC]

Great video, not that you will need parts but RE dealerships don't tend to stock parts. Also I don't think anyone has ever had RE road side assistance ever answer the phone. I have no experience on a CFMoto yet. The Japanese are getting their butts handed to them.

[@davidandreasen9010]

Thanks for the video 🎉🎉🎉

[@danketchpel7460]

I look forward to your more in depth comparison. I wished you'd give just a sentence or two comparing the engine feel/vibes/power curves between them. So far you've mentioned the CFMoto has more power and torque but not sure if it's higher up lower down, all around??? Anyway, thanks for putting that out and looking forward to more in depth info. I agree, both are giving a kick in the butt to the Japanese especially CFMoto as it's full featured, something the Japanese have been seriously lacking in.

[@stefanhansen5882]

Great to hear your thoughts. Which Japanese and/or European bike would you say these two bikes are most similar to? KTM 390 or...?

[@louispaulter8733]

I think the new Honda NX 500 for many reasons may be the better / safer choice if just “ mild exploring speeds” off-road are the most likely style of riding & skill limits.

[@louispaulter8733]

Biggest difference is CFMoto is a twin motor, less vibes, ergo most likely much more comfortable ride for long hours in the saddle at freeway/hwy speeds of 65+ mph. So that plus larger dealer network in USA makes the CFmoto the clear winner for me. The remaining wild card is the new 2025-26 KTM 390 Adventure. Interesting times…😎👍

[@timlubbers2884]

Being a twin doesn’t necessarily make it smoother … it really depends on the harmonics of the vibration …

[@davidskaggs9914]

Both are a bit heavy for their power output. I definitely like the look of the CF Moto more. Thanks for the pro comparison 😎🍻

[@jwaller1327]

Either one of these would make sense as a replacement for my Versys X300. Still hoping that Kawasaki can make a new Versys X with a 21” front wheel with the 450 engine from the Ninja 500. Seems a no brainer to me. If Kawasaki doesn’t, then I may be in the market for the Himalayan. I prefer its styling and the heritage of the marque. I also have a bias for Indian manufacturing over Chinese. There are 4 Enfield dealerships close by and only one CFMoto I know of. I prefer the simplicity of the Enfield’s body work over the plastic fairing of the Ibex (a scratch against a potential Versys X450 too). For me, if I was able to test ride both, the Ibex would have to be very significantly better to sway me from the Himalayan. If they were close, I’d take the Himalayan.

[@LooxJJ]

I've been looking for another bike to fill my needs to go off road travel here in LA - needed something that is capable on highway doing 85mph, then trail into Death Valley. I was looking at T7 or Tuareg. But now...this is a good alternative at much much lower cost! Mor of these bikes should come out to the market!

[@disaar3679]

Man, the Touareg hits all spots, but it's so damn ugly!

[@RevansNightmare]

What are the differences in destination fees?

[@richard3803]

Just spend time on a 450 Himalayan in India. Enjoyed its torque characteristics but the engine vibes above 5000rpm were a pain. The CFmoto has a much smoother engine when travelling at highway speeds.

[@ubatubaable]

Great review many thanks.

[@chrisgreen1094]

The Ibex , or 450MT, has a 4 year warranty here in UK and Europe, also with a years road fund licence too.

[@E_Clampus_Vitus]

Nice review. As an American I’m witnessing how Yamaha and Honda both treat the European customers so much better by offering package options and wonderful color options. In the US, we get no package options and the only color is black. I’m over it. Yamaha and Honda clearly prefer to please other people and they dislike Americans. This is fine. I just won’t support them with my hard earned money. They want to play games? Play favorites? Watch the game I play. It’s called, “I’ll never do business with you ever”. I’m not like other Americans. I won’t allow Yamaha and Honda to piss on me and then purchase their product like a dork.

[@anco250]

vibrations during commuting ride?

[@retiredwaterdoctor]

If we already don't have enough decisions to make in life! Great job lots to decide ....doing a Dr650 this year....bottom to top.....sold the built 22 KLR, so need something to play with. Garth

[@John_Ridley]

All else being equal, I'd rather own a Royal Enfield than a CFMoto. Speaking as someone who has owned a CFMoto and not a RE.

[@johanneschu]

I owned 22 RE 411, less one year fuel relay out on the road lucky not on freeway, recently gear indicator malfunction although both were under warranty but it is annoying. So what's issue for CFMoto? I knew a lot of shops they don't want to deal with Chinese bikes (don't know why)

[@John_Ridley]

@@johanneschu My main issue is that for my dealership anyway there was NO support for doing anything yourself. I had to go to Facebook and grab a pirated copy off the user group there to get a service manual. I had a 700CL/X and didn't have any serious trouble with it, it was fun to ride. The fueling at low speeds was pretty bad (like 20 MPH in town very jerky) and I had the electronics crash on me twice requiring a battery disconnect, but nothing major.

[@mzmcdh]

I just looked at my list, and both of these are on it. I did remove the BMW 310 though. It falls behind both these bikes in almost every category except price.

[@chrishart8548]

The bmw 310 is a good bike. As long as you don't take it off road or ride it fast. For the Indian home market it's a very good bike. I think they also have a TVS version of the same bike. As its not a real bmw anyway.

[@steveh545]

From what I’ve seen, it’s twin vs single (and all that goes with it). feature set (CFM had lots of electronics). Then resale value… plus for RE. Styling is a big diff. And personal preferences with China vs India. Both are most likely good bikes

[@GregLanz]

Thanks's for the insight, you said you'd take either on the Oregon BDR, but would you take them solo? There is a huge distinction than needs clarification

[@paulthelefty]

@@GregLanz nobody should ride BDR solo… for a multitude of reasons that I am sure you know already.

[@PedroPereira-ut6pp]

Hi Ben! While im a owner of a crf rally, i would like to see you make a full build in any of these two. Cheers!

[@jocon6656]

I've also ridden both and I recommend anyone interested do the same. They are similar on paper but the riding experience is quite different.

[@jocon6656]

Biggest difference is engine: Ibex is smooth, peppy and sounds great. Himy is kinda rough and picky about gear choice but has an eager character. 2nd is wind. Ibex buffeted my helmet on any height even at 70kph. Himy is like a naked bike without the wind pressure on your torso. Ergos of ibex is more open, Himy a bit more compact. Ibex feels lighter stopped but imo Himy flicks better. Ibex has a lot of smashable plastic, Himy is built like a tank.

[@akiuliano]

I’ll take the Himmi please. Seems like an easier bike to work on and fix.

[@Shurup33]

@@akiuliano for changing air filter u have to disassembly tank on royal, cf is much easier maintain

[@stephenjacques554]

A 1 year warranty limited mileage tells me everything I need to know about Ibex 450, 3 year warranty unlimited mileage Himalayan no brainer plus I will not buy anything Chinese, just a clone of the Himalayan. Have ridden both like the Himalayan better. SJ

[@selfmy60]

I am sorry Ben, but you just read the spec sheets. I will wait for your thoughts when the long term review comes out.

[@GrumpyInTheMorning]

@selfmy60 Yep. It is not a comparison I expected. Not helpfull at all.

[@BlueThunder69NZ]

Hi Ben, do you have any plans to review the Vstrom 800de?

[@jonwoodworker]

He hasn't even touched an 800DE, so I seriously doubt he will ever ride one. It would break his heart to realize how much better it is than the Transalp. BigRockMoto and OnTheBackWheel have done great videos on the 800DE. BigRockMoto agrees the 800DE is better than the Talp.

[@BlueThunder69NZ]

@@jonwoodworker yeah I’m aware. I’d just be keen on Ben’s take on the Suzuki is all

[@bagr4ever]

Hi, I'm 6'4" and was curious how is the comparison of rider postion. To me the Royal Enfield felt a bit cramped, so I was curious if it's sustainable for longer journeys.

[@dissentsean]

agreed. would love to hear more about seat to peg room (not just here but in other reviews)

[@peterlennan]

I think , standard seats only, himi a bit more comfortable and some adjustment on the seat for taller riders. 6.4 plus, welcome to the tyranny of the ' average person' CF arrives next week.😊

[@max_archer]

I'm leaning toward the Himalayan as a first bike. Only problem is that I'm moving to Bend in a month or so and there doesn't seem to be a dealer there, one is listed on RE's website but if you go to the dealer's site there's no mention of RE anywhere, so I guess I'd have to drive the 3 hours or so to your neck of the woods to pick one up. At least I've got a truck to haul it back in but I've done that drive as far as McKenzie Bridge and doing it with a bike in the back doesn't sound great.

[@Rigatonispaghettioly]

Awesome! Thanks for the comparison. Would eventually love a "ADV line up" comparison between these two new bikes that are coming closer to the "Unicorn" and the semi-new middle weights like the Tenerre 700, Transalp, 890/790, etc... The way it seems with these two is that you get a much cheaper yet still capable bike with 60% of the power of the "middle weights" my only pause is that they don't appear on paper that much lighter than the middle weights. Can you speak to the weight? these bikes have just the right amount of power, but would be an absolute grand slam if they came in closer to the 350-400 pound mark. Thoughts? will we ever get a sub 400 pound 50-60 horsepower adv weapon?

[@djangounhinged7634]

The comparison is also very regional. THe Himalayan is more expensive here and neither offer roadside assistance here. We also have more CFMoto dealers and stock (hence I bought the 450MT). RE here rarely has stock - only ordering on request once available in the country (usually close to a year after other countries. But the real main factor for my purchase was the twin cylinder versus thumper. Sold my last thumper because the wrists and elbows were suffering the day after any long rides

[@Lonestar19d]

What kind of harness was your buddy with the Panam wearing? Me want!!

[@burddog0792]

What would be your opinion on a NX500 with spoked 18/21" wheels and a bit more suspension (200mm/7.9in) travel? Yes there is the Rally Raid UK kit but that's only 17/19" and +20mm travel (6.7F/6.1R). Could be an interesting bike. It'd likely be the most Honda would ever do. Needs to come in white though.

[@arcboutant]

4 year warranty over here I’ve been told, as long as you get it regularly serviced by a CFMOTO dealer.

[@mikerechner3533]

Any chance you have been able to get any info out of CFMoto on when we can expect deliveries of the Ibex 450?

[@richschuster1097]

I want to see how the new KTM 390 Adventure compares to these two (and if KTM will survive long term).

[@deltabluesdavidraye]

KTM is unreliable Chinese hotrod junk

[@jamesadams2334]

Did you prefer the single or the twin?

[@chrishart8548]

I think in some cases a bike should only be a twin when the capacity in the form of a single makes more gains in vibration than it does in horsepower. I think a revy engine in an off road bike doesn't really make sense. I think a twin this small really lacks torque and relies on high revs for any power and belongs in a road/race bike.

[@wheelsoncrisis]

Do these chinese bikes have life after 2 years? I highly doubt it

[@madmoto4837]

straight up , which is a better all around bike, transalp or the ibex ?

[@insatiable_mind]

Excellent concise comparison. I’m an RE fan and avoid Chinese products when I can so my choice would be obvious. I’ve watched a lot of Ibex first impression reviews though and I’ll be interested to see long term reviews.

[@brownneedles6968]

How do these compare to the DRZ 400 for BDR riding? Fellow Oregonian just did my first trail ride on section 2 of the WABDR with 3 experienced buddies. No crashes on my 2002 DRZ 400 E. Did drop it 5 times because I’m 5’7” and a newb-first bike I bought a year ago when I turned 50.

[@chrishart8548]

I think the RE is just a heavy retro duel sport in reality and not really a cheap one either. I think only downside to the DRZ400 is it's more likely to get stolen than a RE450

[@jacobknudsen6400]

Allways very good content on this channel. But what I miss is a little more description of how the two bikes engines feel when compared to each other. The powerdelivery. I used to own a Yamaha SRX 600 ccm thumper streetbike, it was like riding a rocket - bam (2500-6500 rpm in a heartbeat and actually too much power/torque IMO) and then - no more power - only to much vibration- until next gearchange - but I thought it ran out of power quite quickly - before highway speed - not like the twins I used to own - Guzzi 500 and Laverda SF2 750 and I found my self thinking - "never again" after I sold it - I like the twins powerdelivery and flexibility so much better. But the Himalayan could be different - and so could the Ibex. Being a heavy (OK fat !) guy I am also wondering if the Ibex can haul me along sufficiently. Im 6'5 and 287 lbs - or would the Tenere or the Transalp do the job better - or could the Ibex just be the right thing if I want to take it a bit easy - as I am dreaming of coming back to riding after a number of years without a motorcycle. So which bike is more "fat-old man with a sore back -friendly"?

[@anthonyperkins6364]

If you were 6’2” 240 lbs. 50/50 dirt roads / Hi way travel. which one ?????

[@matthewlee8917]

Man the Himalayan just looks goofy to me. Got a chance to ride it at adventure palooza and it was great. I just can’t get over the looks.

[@DorkintheRoad]

it's not for everyone.

[@teresad7174]

I was under the impression that the Himalayan was significantly shorter? You say there have similar seat heights.

[@theaverageviewer6331]

I'm surprised CF moto's dealer network is that big. (over 600 dealerships). Both bikes are pretty appealing.

[@d0b0b]

In the UK KTM import the 450MT so you can also use KTM dealers. Many parts are interchangeable with KTM models.

[@CraigSmith568]

I know from the ride on the Himalayan that there was an issue with the front fender in the mud. Does the CF Moto have more or less clearance on the front fender? It looks like there would be the same issue if you rode in that mud.

[@JaredSilver1988]

@@CraigSmith568 All motorcycles with low front fenders have the same issue in the mud. That's why dual sports come with a high fender. Don't let that stop you, though It's straightforward to remove the fender on either bike

[@jeffloucks2120]

​@@JaredSilver1988 I'm wondering if the low guard can be raiaed a bit or perhaps not much at all until causing clearance issues with the upper fender.

[@deltabluesdavidraye]

Jeez that is a cheap easy fix

[@untamedsmiles1338]

Thank you

[@wibransaex]

Any vibrations on either bike at speed ? I have heard that the Himalayan has vibrations at highway speed but have heard nothing on the CFMoto.

[@MalHanson]

I have the 450MT in Australia, and have done 5,500 kms/3,400 miles. Nearby me the maximum (legal) speed is 110kph/68mph (and is rigorously enforced!), and at that speed it is quite smooth - some minor vibes in the levers (aftermarket ones may fix that?), but the bars, seat and pegs are essentially vibration free. I have had it to 140kph/87mph, but that was on gravel, so I wasn't paying attention to how comfortable it was! 🙂

[@wibransaex]

@@MalHanson awesome !! Thanks for the info.

[@SubTerraAlly]

What dealership sells the cf moto?

[@Seveneleven44]

Our group rides have all makes and models of bikes. With that said, kymco and CF Moto have both ruined great weekend-long rides with mechanical breakdowns.

[@kyleosbun]

Anyone know how much the cf moto is gonna cost

[@skyecooleyartwork]

When talking reliability, are we talking about the first 3 years after purchase? The Japanese established their credibility in the years well beyond three.

[@ramtrevino8788]

My only concern is the vibration on the Himalayan at HWY speeds? Ben, is this a problem?

[@deltabluesdavidraye]

A little vibration versus a lot of buzz? 450 is too small for a twin.

[@uneasyr1der]

Now, I'm thinking about taking my low mileage CRF300L Rally in to trade on an Ibex 450! There's a reason it's low mileage, just can't get to grips with it, I have other bikes and this one just keeps getting passed over. Plus on top of the $$$$ I've already spent on upgrades, I have yet to spend the real $$$$ to upgrade the suspension and engine performance to make the little Rally great. The Ibex already comes with all this stock . . . . 🤔

[@chrishart8548]

That 300L was never going to have much performance you should have known that from the start. Don't know why the XR400R went away but it should have been a CRF350L right from the start. The DR350 XT350 were great bikes a 250 still requires the same license. And with 22 or 23hp klx/crf just make sure the 450 MT suspension Is good enough because that will be an expensive upgrade.

[@uneasyr1der]

@@chrishart8548 Thanks very much for all the information, I did know that from the start, just didn't want a bigger bike for this application. The Ibex has everything already installed that I'm having to do the CRF to make it the bike it should have been from the factory. Now if Suzuki would've updated the DRZ sooner, I would have happily bought that instead.

[@chrishart8548]

@@uneasyr1der I can't believe how much the CRF450L missed the mark. They were actually hugely discounted at the end but still the price was one issue but not the main issue. I was hoping for a bigger crf250/300L but it definitely wasn't that. It was a husky/ktm but with a Honda badge on not even good off road like the KTM

[@jwaller1327]

I don’t think the CRF450L misses any mark. It was never meant to be a bigger, more powerful CRF250L or CRF300L. Those bikes are street bikes that can be taken off road. The CRF450L/RL is a dirt bike you can legally take on the street. That’s a huge distinction. As a dirt bike that can be taken on the street, it compares with the KTM group and Beta 430/500s. I’ve tried the KTM 500 and it’s too unrefined for me to consider at all for the street. I like Beta rideability, and I have a Beta dirt bike, but that doesn’t trump Honda reliability. For me, the CRf450L is the Unicorn all other bikes compare to and fail to measure up. Crazy how two different people can have such vastly different opinions of a bike and neither one of us is wrong!

[@cyasi]

I noticed Kawasaki lowered the price of their KLX 300 dual sport....I wonder if it's in response to these two bikes. Not that they are comparable....but you seem to get more for your money with these two new offerings.

[@deltabluesdavidraye]

No comparison . Parts availability for RE is vast and endless.Parts availability for cfmoto is not good .

[@ultramega72]

Both can cruise on the interstate at 85mph comfortably, loaded up? Doubt

[@deltabluesdavidraye]

Watch fuzzy bikers 1000 mile in one day trip on the Himmy

[@nomercy4521]

I road the Himalayan and thought it was a bit viby between 5-6K on the highway.

[@flatlandriver2471]

Waiting for the RE Guerrilla roadtest….

[@kevinnielsen1356]

C F Moto would be great if it weren't for the hidden spyware.

[@TheExcelsiorFiles]

The Ibex has a 4yr warranty in the UK.

[@brucekendall52]

Tubless is key in this modern world.

[@PLAN50]

If you like RTW adventures, the Himalayan is superior. It has a way larger motorcycle dealer network.

[@John_Ridley]

Unfortunately as far as I can tell the ONLY way to do a test ride in Michigan is to find one to rent.

[@z50king29]

Nice

[@FrancoisTX1974]

Agree, India and. Nina fought to us the ADV bike we want…no your turn Japan.

[@rshawiii]

I currently ride a carbed KLX 250. Rider and bike are due for an upgrade. I"m 64 @ 165lbs, 31 inch legs and ride like an old lady, My home riding grounds is the San Juans in SW Colorado. I have been considering the CRF300L/Rally, KTM 390 ADV. These two bikes are now coming onto my radar. I'm wanting something that can still easily do the "Alpine Loop" level double track, but go farther, faster (not get run over on the black top), and carry some gear for overnights. Good aftermarket options. A riding buddy is pushing me to get a Beta Xtrainer for the more gnarly stuff and that is intriguing idea. Maybe I get two ponies instead of one. Comparison between these and some discussion about what the trade offs are would be most wonderfull.

[@SubTerraAlly]

Darn, nearest cf dealership is 2300 miles away from where I live.