Something special or overhyped? CFMoto 450MT review on & off road (IBEX 450)

[@Liberty4Ever]

This was the Ibex 450 review I've been waiting to see. Thanks, Solid. CF Moto definitely got a lot right in this bike, and they deserve special kudos for doing their best to deliver the lightweight off road ADV bike we've been begging to have for decades. I wish it was a bit lighter, even knowing that would drive up the cost. My greatest hope is that the Ibex 450 will force the other motorcycle manufacturers to provide similar products.

[@chroniclesofsolid]

Thanks mate, I think you're right. This will make the big boys sit up and take notice.

[@David-m7f3g]

The question is, for what price they will do ist 😂

[@charliequach6399]

I think Versys 500 is coming out next year.

[@metalsadman]

@@charliequach6399 yep, or maybe Aprilia hop on that train first with their twin 270 degree crank 457cc.

[@MrTmax74]

Well, it sure looks like the DRZ is getting an update or two. I think if any of the Japanese come out with a 400 adventure bike, it would be Suzuki. So hopefully there will be a rally version, at the least. 🤞🤞

[@bosoceansport2068]

Ridden this bike twice now on and off road and your comments are on point. I own a T7 world raid currently and riding side by side you can definitely appreciate what you get for the money and whether you can live with that. I’m 57 now, something like this might appeal to me more in 5 years time and by then we will know if they are a quality item. I suspect they are.

[@SauliusB650]

A few thoughts after test driving one: For the last few years my only bike was a CRF300L. I take it to work, to small trips, and mainly to explore off road paths. I just LOVE the bike, its extremely fun. However, I would like just a bit more power for powersliding in the dirt (I'm 105kg) and for overtaking cars on the road, and just a bit more comfort while driving from A to B on the highway and so on. On paper the IBEX 450 seemed perfect. The 450 looks extremely good, sounds awesome, and is really comfortable ( standing position for me personally was even more comfortable than my stock CRF300L (i'm 190cm)). The only let down was the power of the bike - I was hoping for a notable power difference between my CRF and the IBEX. While it's notable, it's nowhere near what I was expecting, 0-100 seemed really similar to the CRF. After 100km/h of course, the IBEX pulls better. Considering the IBEX weighs 50kg more than the Honda, its understandable. All in all, decided to keep the CRF and just mod it to get some more power and comfort out of it. Cause after the test drive, once I got back on the CRF, the lighweight of it, the flickability just put a massive smile on my face. Either than that, the IBEX is awesome, would definitely buy it, it's just that the little Honda suits me better.

[@kylenewman7101]

Thank you for this comment. I have a CRF300L and use it in much the same way. I'm also similar size/weight. It's a great bike in many ways, but needs a bit more grunt. I've been wondering how the 450MT compares, and whether a bit more power is worth it for the extra weight. Cheers

[@xTheITx]

Likewise, thanks for this comment. I've been riding a CB300R, which is the street/naked version of your bike and it sounds like perhaps I should consider getting something that has a bit more power to compensate for the extra weight on this bike.

[@rubenangelvarisco9719]

This bike is better than your Honda for sure.

[@andycochrane4131]

CRF450RL.

[@TheMisterNebo]

Bought two before they came out, had them for over 6 months now and absolutely LOVE them - this bike is already a classic trendsetter and it's only just come out!

[@bug276]

Ordered mine on Saturday just gone (21/9) here in Brisbane. I was able to test ride with the high/rally flatter seat offered by CFMoto, and it's great, plus it's only $199, not $600+, like my custom DRZ seat was. At 95Kg the suspension felt good on the road, both solo and with my 75Kg pillion, as well as having enough get up and go, to get us to 100kph comfortably for the HWY part of the test. Like others may say it's 80% T7 for 50% of the price. Add that to the aftermarket accessory list on offer and affordability overall, I don't see how many consumers can go wrong. CFMoto seem to have nailed it with older long time riders and newer riders alike. Keep the great vids coming mate.

[@chroniclesofsolid]

Congrats mate, enjoy 👍

[@mogden2803]

I bought the CFMoto 450NK back in March after seeing it at the London Motorcycle show, and after 45 years away from motorcycling. Love the looks of it and surprised just how willing that 450 motor is to get up and go. I now have an order in for the 450MT, but won't get it until February 2025 here in the UK. Haven't ridden one yet, wasn't able to get a test ride at the ABR festival as everyone wanted to ride it. So have had to rely on just sitting on one and reviews on youtube. Really looking forward to getting it and loved your review. No bike is ever going to be perfect for everyone.

[@TheSar]

Sold my 1050XT and got a 450MT. The little CF is a way more useable bike offroad. Loving it so far!

[@PissTakeProduction]

Sold my 1050XT was a punish to sell.

[@silverdale3207]

Little?

[@DevoidFX]

@@silverdale3207 compared to the 1050XT, yeah

[@BBOffRoadEng]

Great review, mate. There's A LOT of hype around these at the minute. We currently have one in the work shop that we've been developing some aftermarket parts for and it is quite impressive to say the least.

[@Danger_mouse]

Just received one of your excellent sump guards today, I'll chuck it on tomorrow and get back out into the single tracks 🙂 1st ADV bike for me after 20+ years on Enduro bikes.

[@TheSupasonic82]

Is it tho? What exactly is impressive about a 195 kg heavy bike, with service intervals of 5k km or 6 months when you compare it to a 204 kg Tuareg, (with lower cog) with double the intervals, power, electronic package, better suspension, and so on?

[@Danger_mouse]

@@TheSupasonic82 The fact that you are comparing a bike that costs one and a half times the price of the 450MT, yet gets pretty close to the mark of Aprilia in most of the things you mentioned except power, is what makes it great value for money. It's not trying to be a boutique Euro bike, it's just arrived on the scene at a price point and with a feature set that is, frankly, pretty amazing for $9450 here in Australia. That and the fact that there are already CFMOTO dealers all over Australia who have been selling quads and SXS buggys to farmers for years. There's more dealers in Qld or NSW alone than Aprilia dealers in all of Australia. Important when you are away from home on the road...

[@BBOffRoadEng]

@@Danger_mouse thanks buddy. and welcome to the adventure bike scene! i've no doubt you'll have a ball!

[@Danger_mouse]

@@BBOffRoadEng The plate took a few knocks today.🙂 Single track videos to be uploaded soon 👌

[@JimmyCall]

People thought the 360 cameras would be a gimmick, but over the years they've added a lot of unique content to channel videos

[@metalsadman]

yeah surprised it's not that popular in other parts of the world. funny i thought it's banned when i was in singapore because people were giving me the looks when i was using it while having a stroll in the city 🤣. I just wish the stitching is more refined, also my x4 having some flickering sometimes.

[@ianfutcher1518]

It’s horrific

[@lonecoyote5454]

Exciting to see the continued development of lower weight bikes across the entire market.

[@silverdale3207]

It's not really much lower, it's actually very heavy for a 450.

[@wana2oo]

i just did 600km day, about 250km of those were offroad, and when i got back home after like 12hrs+ on bike, i wasnt feeling that im about to die, the bike is perfect do it all thing, try stuff like that on some 690 or hard enduro. Fits my needs perfectly, yes its underpowered on asphalt, but i got other fast bikes to compensate for that.

[@jasondunn8313]

Looks like a T7 mini. I think for the price point and equipment levels it’s great value and just another reason the big manufacturers need to lift their game in this category. Good video Solid👍

[@chrishart8548]

Yamaha should do a T3

[@samleary2733]

Love or hate the origin of this bike, if it sells well it’s going to push other major manufacturers in the same direction. I do think it’s a part of the market that has been completely slept on for a long time. I think Yamaha would have done a mini tenere if they had an engine for it but cf beat them to it.

[@akiuliano]

Aprilia has the engine. Now all they have to do is shrink their Tuareg.

[@CFMOTOBenelux]

Awesome video! Glad you enjoyed riding it and thanks for the feedback! 😊

[@peterhutchinson4292]

2300km on mine so far. The springs do soften somewhat as you go. Very happy.

[@gregweeks4980]

Good job reviewing this bike Mr Solid. I don't know if I'm interested in one of these motorcycles yet, but your review makes it look pretty good. You've answered most of my questions. Texas on the prairie

[@garthlundquist3623]

Remember when KTM was developing a twin cylinder 450 adventure bike? It was called off a while ago. Perhaps this is that bike built by KTM production partner CF Moto. The new 450 twin is a welcome addition to the market and will bring new riders into the sport due to the affordable pricing. The three year warranty sure beats a KTM warranty.

[@mnap89]

Yes there was such rumor some time ago. There was probably some kind of deal between KTM and CFM or KTM didnt like it? We will never know.

[@JinKazama92]

I've tested quite a bit with this and owned a 790 duke. The engine is alot like the 790 Duke with lower top speed. Still prefer my 690 Enduro :)

[@davidc1961utube]

This is definitely the small twin that COULD have been a KTM...

[@lawrieyoutube4375]

Yes, I have one. Brisbane. Just due for first service. I congratulate you on an excellent review. I think you captured its main features and strengths very well, and most importantly, accurately. I am a returning rider in my 70s. I had a motorcycle licence before I could drive a car. My best bike in years past was a Triumph Bonneville. Some feedback: 1/ Like you, I find the suspension a bit jarring on the bumps. I find the hard hits disrupt my control just a little bit occasionally. I am 183cm and 95kg. I have not had a bike with front adjustable suspension before so have not touched it yet. I think I would benefit from a ride that absorbed the hits a bit better. Maybe adjustment will fix that. As an Adventure Tourer bike I feel the suspension is just a tad too harsh. 2/ I have had quite bad throttling issues, despite having the first update. It is quite snatchy at slow speed. Idles beautifully, but try to hold the revs steady at 3000rpm in neutral it sputters up and down from 2700 to 3300. When in traffic the throttle is either on or off. You go from decelerating with engine braking to instant acceleration. I cannot get it to ride smoothly around 15 to 30 kph. The throttle cannot be 'cracked open' gently. This can be quite problematic at roundabouts where I have to feather the clutch when opening the throttle after slowing. In my view, this is actually a bit of a safety issue. Stalls easily too. This will be horrible when in the bush where I will not be riding it like a dirt bike. The one you were on was a LOT smoother than mine. I wonder if the different exhaust played a part? Back pressure can be critical. I am looking forward to getting this fixed. 3/ Having noted the above throttling issue, when I do open the throttle and the revs are up over 4000 the engine is an absolute little cracker. Can't wait for the run-in period to be over. 4/ After clocking up 900km (I don't ride every day) I booked my bike in for its first service at the dealer. I have to wait three weeks! It's a good thing I am not relying on it to commute. Let's hope I don't have a warranty issue that stops the bike. 5/ The bike is not small but I find it very nimble when under way at all speeds, and very stable at 110. In my view the gearing is fine. I find it a bit tottery when not moving and inclined to overbalance easily. But that is probably just the height and large front wheel, and my getting used to an adventure bike. 6/ The 450MT seems to be very well designed and made, with excellent finish. Equipment levels for the price are amazing. I love the dash. As for the national maker? Well, I believe they are actually made in Thailand, and isn't competition supposed to be good? 7/ How would I describe it? As a very well mannered, good looking bike - with a hooligan motor. I am very pleased I bought it.

[@chroniclesofsolid]

Great summation

[@Merc399]

When you have a bike you love, its so hard to watch these videos and stop myself from going "yeah but my bike is so awesome and cool everyone should get one!" xD

[@JustForFun-zh7cy]

I was fully onboard with buying one when it was released. Then thought “reliability, longevity and dealer support”… UK expat living in Philippines, its a 2hr ride to a dealer for this bike. So parked the idea for a while and bought a CRF300L - dealers in every town (5 in mine!) … maybe in a couple of years I’ll revisit it once we see the real world feedback. Thanks for the review! 👍🏻

[@Danger_mouse]

7:43 I'm 95kg plug gear and it is still harsh for me. I ride Enduro bikes and have done exclusively for the last 20+ years, none of them are this firm on small bumps and roots/rocks etc. I've dialed the compression and rebound off quite a bit on the fork and wound in the preload to try and get a little bit more usable stroke as well. Feeling better. Surprised at the shock, it feels fine 👍 Of note, I did drop the tyre pressure down to 20psi for off road tracks, this helps immensely to get some tyre flex.

[@chroniclesofsolid]

Great feedback 👍 Good point on tire pressure.

[@Danger_mouse]

@@chroniclesofsolid Working for me. Did have one guy advise me on my own video that I'm playing a 'dangerous game' with the cross spoke rims and lower pressure 🙂 I guess we'll see, but I'd like to think I ride a bit smarter than just smashing into square edges and not watching the track, and de-weighting the front tyre to suit 👍

[@patrolus1]

We just spent 3 days over the long weekend, riding & camping down south (Collie area) and the MT450 is just great. It is a full sized bike so you can actually carry all the gear, while you have wind protection and comfort like on a big bike - without the 230kg weight tag. We drowned it in a few puddles and did all the stupid things you would with your DR650 or whatever bike you're on when you're traveling and carrying all your gear for a few days. So far we can't fault it. -Let's not forget the super easy clutch! Its sooo easy feather the clutch for a long time without fatiguing your fingers when you do some single trail...

[@d0b0b]

This is a bike that is greater than it specs. Love mine.

[@ioandragulescu6063]

it's crazy how much Chinese bikes have evolved in the past 5 years. If they keep this pace, it will really interesting to see what they produce in 5 years from now.

[@Al.j.Vasquez]

Not all of them, but there are certainly more trustworthy options now than 5 years ago, and CFMoto is doing the heavy lifting when it comes to beat the negative Chinese bias.

[@MaverickAus]

I test rode one today and paid a deposit Dealer says I should have it in a couple of weeks. I'm 95KG and found the suspension very stiff odd road and will soften it for my tastes. Funnily enough the one I ordered (blue) is the least popular and therefore easier to get. It is by far the better looking to me. Great review.

[@chroniclesofsolid]

Congrats 🥳

[@MaverickAus]

@@chroniclesofsolid Thanks

[@mariuszr5412]

It’s great bike, i really love it. Didn’t expect chinese bike will give me so much fun. Greetings from Poland!

[@matjazjustin5169]

I have cf 800 explore. 10k miles on. Verry good bike. Build quality verry good. 5 year warranty here in EU. Will buy 450 too.

[@lefterisbampaidis5446]

Not in every country. Most offer 2 years.

[@jimh2061]

It seems like a bargain for the money. A great beginner bike. Reminds me of a Versys 300 I had. To be honest though if your riding fire roads and gravel roads just about any bike can do that. Once you get into a single track trails that has some roots and rocks anything over 300lbs can be a handful for an avg rider.

[@johnstewart6652]

Solid, great review as usual. We wont be getting this bike until 4th quarter of 24. At least we can get some reviews of it from trustworthy sources like yourself. And dont apoligize for not liking ugly. Your stature does make the bike look small though. Wouldnt buy a Chinese bike except that other manufactures wont make this . The price is an added bonus.

[@Marcel_DL650]

Great review Solid. Now I'm really thinking going to the closest CFmoto dealer an give it a go. Thanks and greetings from NZ.

[@R.S.Outdoors]

I’ve had many many motorcycles and I’ve had several adventure bikes, including the GS BMWs I put my deposit on this one three weeks ago.

[@FoozBallKing1]

I have the same issue right now.I have a Africa twin and love it but its very heavy and after a long day it becomes hard to handle. This bike lo9ks good for so many reasons.

[@7-v4z]

Thats music..nobody's going to regret getting one,,twin 4fidy in the bush 💪

[@johnsimpson2096]

Don't think I have ever seen you out of your office . More interesting format. Hope you do more videos like this. Back in the 80s had a Suzuki DR 400 & DR 500. Both were very good on & off road. Obviously the 450MT is far better than either of those. Just bought a 2009 KTM 990. To be quite honest I don't want to go back to smaller capacity bikes.

[@bwnco]

Solid..only thing lacking is longevity test like 4 yrs from now..love this bike! Currently on x300 versys!! I dont want huge 550lb bike on dirt

[@ronlawson5819]

Looks awesome as always your commentary is spot on

[@longrider9551]

It's a travesty that none of the Japanese manufacturers have made this bike as a rider from the US. This is what we need. Singles don't cut it on an interstate

[@osivkos]

Great banter, great review as always from your channel ! Surprised though that you missed the 87cm high seat already being available ! 😉

[@matingarner4714]

Nice report keep up the good work,Martin Thailand 😎

[@didiermartin9386]

21:22 Even though I leave in Melbourne I have just ordered one in France and will keep it there for Asian and African travel. Always used single 650cc bikes for my overland travel but been waiting for years for something like that. Absolutely perfect bike for me. Cheers 🍻

[@bradwakefield8919]

I recently rode a demo at Dale Briton’s and it certainly impressed me in all aspects. It’s so smooth and the power was nice, and the price is spot on. I ended up purchasing a Translap due to the slightly bigger set up but the cf moto certainly impressed me.

[@dragoclarke9497]

Very well produced and informative video. Thanks.

[@davidz8]

A very accurate review, I have owned my 450MT since July and absolutely love it, I have the high (bench seat) which is very very comfortable, but even the lower seat is very good, way better than my T7 seat, the only thing I would disagree with is the mirrors, I think they are great, no problem with them at all.

[@chroniclesofsolid]

Thanks for sharing!

[@glennmorrissey2529]

Hi David, testingone Saturday November 2. I am 195CM tall, is there anything yuo reckon they could do better or should've done? Thanks.

[@davidz8]

@@glennmorrissey2529 Hi, for the price the bike is a bargain, I would have liked to see cruise control, but overall the bike is the complete package, as you are tall, I would suggest that if the bike you test ride has the standard seat, try a pillow on it to gauge how it feels, this will be a good indication with the high seat on. The bike comes with the suspension set quite firm, I have turned the rear compression completely off and the front compression off and then six clicks on, this made it much smoother for me. Also the snatchy throttle can be reasonably sorted by taking the slack out of the throttle cables. I hope you enjoy the test ride.

[@glennmorrissey2529]

@@davidz8 Thanks David, I am looking at DR650 now to see what it's like, tough bikes.

[@davidz8]

@@glennmorrissey2529 Might be worth looking at the new KTM 390r coming out early next year.

[@DualSportDoug]

Nice to see that the rear suspension linkage is tucked up behind the engine rather than hanging below it like on the T7.

[@simonlovelock6242]

From a 450 Himalayan owner, good review.👍

[@esrider7765]

Just a couple of observations. Yes it appears to be a good bike with a lot of bang for buck. The firmware update is not available in a lot of countries as the bike does not have the T-box installed, so the throttle response is an issue. Water getting into the sub frame, not good and dealers are drilling holes in frame to let water out, how this effects strength is not know, also no rust treatment on the hole or inside the frame has been done. The other thing I have seen is melted rear right indicator light which gets blasted by exhaust outlet. my 2c worth.

[@bmccameron7642]

I test rode one recently, although wasn't able to ride on any dirt whatsoever. It felt a little cramped with the standard seat fitted and I found the motor, while adequate, just a little too linear or flat for me. I rode to the dealer on my AT 1100, so to be fair, that heavily influenced how it felt. If I'd jumped off my previous DR-Z400E onto the MT, chances are I would've loved it. Regardless, a lot of bike for the money and a great intro for a big slice of the market, it'll suit so many riders perfectly. I thought the suspension was great as was the note from the little twin.

[@FanOWater]

As someone who is 85kg, it would be nice not to have to put in stiffer springs for a change.

[@lughole]

I saw a review very recently saying they're actually pretty stiff on this bike. Wish I could remember who... Proofs in a personal test I guess, I'm over 100kg so I do share that sentiment tho.

[@chrishart8548]

But what about the lighter riders ?

[@kyleosbun]

@@chrishart8548every other bike ever is made for 150lb people. Let us have one. The chinese apparently know their American target audience is heavier. Im not even fat. Im 90kg. Im just 6’5.

[@chrishart8548]

@kyleosbun I think they are made for people around 75kg. Japanese bikes are always designed for light people as they are just not as heavy as western people. I think the bmw bikes are a bit better for heavier people. Maybe they should offer an XL extra load version like they do with the tyres.

[@gabrielkopp2036]

I am on the fence on this bike here in the US they call them ibex450. Tge weight seems a little high it has steel rims not aluminum wich adds weight. I haven't seen any maintenance information yet. And reliability is also an issue. I may wait until next year. Thank for another great video Solid.. keep it shiny side up

[@DualSportDoug]

Steel rims on a motorcycle is very bizarre.

[@paolorod]

Hey, what would you say about the power when riding with a pillion and luggage? I'm thinking about using this bike mostly ON-road, NOT highways but secondary roads, me and my wife and luggage so we will be traveling 80 to a 100 max and sometimes with very steep climbs. I would like to hear your guess and opinion, thanks 😊😊

[@raimee81]

Yesterday CFMoto had another big official store opening and test ride event in my country. All their key bikes were there to freely test ride. I have never ridden an adventure bike. I'm 170cm and felt these bikes too tall for me. I have read reviews about CFMoto's being comparatively heavy too. I saw people a little shorter than me testing out the bikes so I went ahead and gave it a go. I was glad to find out that I could put my toes down both sides. That was enough to give me confidence to test ride. The 450 felt quite nice. You don't feel the weight. I also tried the 800, same feeling. Although I did think the 450 throttle response was smoother than the 800. Adventure bikes still won't be my bread and butter, but If I wanted one without having to pay a tons of money, these could be considered.

[@Pompomgrenade]

Solid 💪! I was looking forward to that motorcycle arriving as more than video hype... And I still have a purchased a camera to record my rides 😄 Thanks your video was helpful

[@patfrazer]

Really disappointed with the weight :( , I know its a 2 cylinder, but I was expecting around 350lbs wet max, like a 690, or DRZ 400... I will wait for the 390 Rally then! Tenere is 452 lbs wet, and it's awful to go back up standing up :(

[@SkalMCY]

Very much appreciate the effort you've gone to. Great review, cheers.

[@chroniclesofsolid]

Thanks mate 👍

[@honda116969]

Super cool bike if you do a lot of off-roading tho.. my buddy has a V-Strom 650 & I have the '19 cb500X non-abs & he was surprised at how good I keep up with the little 500 also my other buddies have some Harley-Davidsons & one of the guys I just met said "we'll see if you can keep up we ride fast"... The guy that I know looks over at him and says that little Honda can run 90 mph on the 🛣️ & all I did is add 1 🦷 bigger ⚙️ I think the cb500x is mostly street orientated

[@neilpederson5212]

I put a deposit down on one of these. I ride a crf300 rally now but wanting a bit better highway manners for longer rides. I think I made the right decision!

[@gregjetnikoff7124]

I can't really ride off road anymore ( sciattica) but your test came up in the suggesteds so I had to check it out. Thanks mate. I would love to get one and give it my usual diet treatment. I think it may be a lot easier to de-pork than most.

[@LukeAshton05]

Solid review 👌🏼 Optional • front mud guard • higher rally seat NZ riders are sceptical of Cfmoto because of the quad bikes (farming). I have seen a Kiwi criticise Kiwis of being xenophobic. What most people need to understand is KTM's only option was to join Cfmoto to make sales in China. Also, top engineers from Rolls Royce etc have uprooted and moved to China. Keep that in mind.

[@philcadorette1383]

Maybe adding one extra tooth on the front sprocket would help those that do more highway and not quite as technical off road ?

[@chrishart8548]

Definitely or maybe even 2 extra teeth. Off road gearing has always been very different from road gearing. Real off road gearing 13/52 won't even get you past 55mph 14/43 will probably get you over 90mph.

[@istra70]

May be we can squeeze Tenere engine inside - that would be ideal bike then ( power and all )...... Finally someone was listening to demands of the market - and I wish them all the success. In any case I am getting one.

[@darrabase1]

I wish the damn thing was out when I bought my Himi 411, although I love my bike, as it is ideal to ride for a returning rider, their wasn't much around in july 23, and I was not interested in buying a himi 452 or waiting for one. This would be a great bike for a returning rider, and when I go to change to another bike, it will be a toss up between this CF450, and the other bike I have loved from afar, a KLR650. But my himi 411is staying, as it is a perfect up to town and back bike, it's not flogging me, so easy to ride, and when you are old that's what you want.

[@anthonyschroeder7458]

Great review Solid 👍 Test rode one last week around Mt Pleasant SA and agree with your comments re the suspension and I’m closer to 100kg 😮.

[@BlueberryFennec]

A German has ridden the bike for 10.000km, mostly offroad. He has an English channel called "Luke Hilby" where he talks about his findings concerning longevity.

[@MichaelWhite-cx4ho]

Just watched the "Luke Hilby 10,000 km damage report" that is actually 11,000 km. Nothing but praise for the bike despite pushing it very hard in a variety of everyday to very extreme conditions and dropping it multiple times. Zero breakdowns. Sounds like a winner!

[@LiviuXSA]

10.000 km is nothing, bike is still brand new at that point, aside from maybe abused suspension but even that. a bike reliability shows in 50-60-70000 km, 4-5+ years, then we will see

[@MickH60]

@@LiviuXSA garbage, 10,000k all off road is like 30,000 on road, stop making stupid statements ....Most people NEVER own a bike for 50-70 Km, apply that ridiculous logic to all modern bikes and they'll have problems....

[@LiviuXSA]

@@MickH60 wrong. a lot of people buy old bikes that have 50+ k km, touring fjr1300s for example sell with 80,100k, thats why Japanese are famous for reliability, lets see a china bike after 10 years and 50-80k km!!!

[@docchung9085]

What a strange world we live in where there’s more trust in a CF Moto over KTM for not grenading engines

[@paul.vanhout57]

More off-road oriented than the Himalayan? Would be interested in how they compare. CFMoto a player for sure - thanks for the review👍

[@Frakaphoto]

verry nice review from a man who appreciate real quality like CRF300. will look at it as a second bike with my CRF300Rally

[@seawench555]

Giday, even in 6 gear she's still got more to give, I've had mine at 140kms, and if that's not fast enough for u, remember we in Aussie can only legally got 110kms and she's a 450cc. To me the cfmoto 450 is the best of both worlds, asphelt , dirt. The suspension is fully adjustable front/ back. Plenty accessories, Go get 1. 🇦🇺😲

[@davidcauchi2837]

Hello, this is a very good and comprehensive bike review, This bike will suit a lot of Riders. 800 mm low seat setting not bad! I think if people can get past the Made in China syndrome and it will become popular. For the average road and dirt road adv rider, why not? Thanks. David....Adelaide....Triumph Scrambler 1200X... and...Speed 900 Scrambler.....

[@christopherpekel6096]

Already sold out everywhere

[@CannyDanny]

I just put a deposit down for one on the weekend, here in the UK they're only shipping the next batch to order so I figured I'd get my name down. Still got to wait another 6 months until it arrives, but really looking forward to seeing how it compares to my T7, DRZ and WR.

[@kylenewman7101]

I would read / watch that review!

[@bradwakefield8919]

Another awesome reveiw John 👍🇦🇺👍

[@ShadowVonChadwick]

Have you ridden the Sherpa 452 yet ? (Himalayan). I laid down a deposit last December, then waited till May before it arrived, wasn't in the first batch of deliveries. The CFM 450 was released at the same price before I took delivery. I then went through the anguish of choice. Had been hanging out for a 270deg twin, late last year I looked for a low km F800gs. Had missed a few good buys (they went so quick) and then the 452 released at a price I could not resist. I knew of the Himalayan through Itchy Boots, so I had a good idea what was coming, & stuck with my initial choice. But, even though I don't want to send more $ to China than I already do, I still wonder whether I made the right choice. I does fit the bill, also has the under seat fuel, but like you seating in the bike doesn't look right for me. Furthermore, I rarely travel above 95-100kph except in dirt I might have a quick blast, but on tar I stick just under speed limits, & avoid freeways where I can, so vibes are not so worrisome. Time will tell & I'm sure I will get the chance to take one for a spin. It is tempting & should be that unicorn for a few. Cheers

[@lawrieyoutube4375]

Good luck. I was toying with the thought of the new Himmy, but when the 450MT came out I bought it instead. I didn't want a dedicated dirt bike, I wanted an all-rounder go anywhere machine and off-road will be secondary for me. I think a single is better off-road and a twin is a better all- rounder. From what I have seen on You-Tube I suspect the Himmy absorbs the bumps better and has much steadier engine control at low revs. The MT motor is a bit of a hooligan with temperamental throttling at low revs. The dirt-blaster riders don't care about that because they only use two throttle settings anyway. Like you, If the Himmy had a 270crank twin with stable throttling, I think that probably would have been my preference as well. The Himmy 450 looks like a great machine and I hope you enjoy it. Have fun.

[@ShadowVonChadwick]

@@lawrieyoutube4375 I did buy this for roads, dirt & tar, I have my KLZ400r for trail & track. Neither these bikes are for slogging it out on single trail or supper rutted tracks. I'm no spring chicken, but I'm learning to lean a bit more towards being chicken as the years go on 🥺 Great to have these bikes as options. 👍Cheers

[@andrewtreloar7389]

I reckon the CEO and Directors at KTM would be shitting their collective pants right now. This could have been the KTM 490 Adventure!! CF Moto have nailed it and good on them. The very fact that they allowed you to test the bike Solid with no restrictions and the fact that it comes with a 3 year warranty bodes well for the longevity. The engine has been out now in the NK and SR for over 2 years now with no issues so what's not to like! Yep, its the 450cc T7 alright!!

[@motoshark5847]

Doesn't CFMoto make the KTM 790 engine???

[@Tritamer]

Yup, they could’ve come out with the 490 Adv. well, hope they do now and especially hope that Japan doesn’t ignore this bike. That would be arrogance if they did. People seem interested. I probably would not buy it, a bit of a snob for Japanese quality. But others should and I hope they have fun

[@motoshark5847]

@@Tritamer I am of the same mindset. This is what the NX500 should have been. Right?

[@chrishart8548]

​@motoshark5847 NX500 should of at least had wire wheels

[@andrewtreloar7389]

​@motoshark5847 right!

[@NZCycletherapy]

I’ve got a WR250R and would love one for the perfect compliment to its more dual sporty nature, definitely a challenger to the iconic DR650.

[@leighhill9185]

Same here!

[@jdc1978]

I’m 💯 with you. The looks need to be on point before I even consider a bike.

[@MrTmax74]

Same

[@Zt3v3]

I love those mirrors, I put a set of "FAR" brand on every dual sport I've owned. YOu just flop them in for the dirt, flop them out for the road. (I hate double takes, I have to adjust them every time they get moved.

[@krismoerth1323]

Yea great review man. I’m definitely leaning towards one of these bad bois . Oh and don’t you guys in WA have smaller number plates for motorcycles . Them full size plates look ridiculous hehe 👌

[@MargusMoto]

Uufff.. up until the weight was mentioned I was a bit apprehensive whether I had made the right choice of getting the CRF300L just lately... now I have zero doubts I made the correct call even if I do sometimes miss the highway performance, but man - I will take the light weight over top speeds any day. So yeah, hard pass from me!

[@blackiesmisadventures3413]

Looks a bargain but time will tell, and longevity will be the key especially here in the UK 🇬🇧 what with our drab and dreary wet weather all year round. Will be keeping an eye but for myself it’s going to be the mighty T7 with a few mods to suit

[@jollyjumper496]

I own one, and Love it !!!

[@jeanmichaelc1]

What are those cops doing in the middle of the forest? Isn't there anything more useful they could be doing? Very good review btw :)

[@joseaguirre7517]

I just saw that , the new CFMOTO 800 MTX it's in the market already!! It is in the international CFMOTO webside including price etc.! You should make a video aboud it !

[@jeffgarner1448]

Cf moto hit a bullseye with this bike!

[@jacobcoetzee3849]

Excellent, objective review!

[@deepsouthNZ]

Amazing the rapid rise of the chinese motor cycle and the explosion of the adventure class there really is now something for everyone and if I was a young beginner to the genre this is the direction id be going

[@billcotton1551]

A little disappointed at the weight, but other than that, a great bike for the money. Great review, Solid!

[@ianbray3580]

I love my 300l otherwise I would buy one, CFmoto have served me well as I own two quads 520 and 625 as well as a u600 side by side not one fault so far!

[@twowheelin7361]

She’s a little ripper of a bike✌🏽Mirrors are great! High seat is available! $200

[@RobertManning-y8q]

Very good review. Are you going to review the Aprilia Tuareg, if you haven’t already?

[@Matemtb]

Im planning for the next month a 4000kms trip on mine, 12 days exploring north Argentina 💪

[@craigw2416]

Great review Solid, If CF moto were to set up the suspension at the dealer for each individual beginner I think that would go down well, but if they were to come up with a torquey 350cc single cyl dual sport around the 130kg wet, I'd probably buy one to go with the heavy Twin cyl adventure bike I already have

[@MickH60]

No bike is set up for any individual, I set up every bike i've owned {over 40, lucky i'm a suspension specialist !}, to suit myself and so should everyone else, it's a complete revelation to ride well set up bikes....

[@craigw2416]

@@MickH60 Yes Mick, I've also set up all my bikes over the years, I'm not sure you got what I was saying. If they showed a beginner what to do while setting it up for their weight to start with, that would give a dealer a good name.

[@brothergeorge3412]

Has the Unicorn finally arrived 🎉

[@jakeviolet2195]

Nope. Just a cheaper, slower heavy adventure twin.

[@spotthedogg]

You’re actually the first to complain about the mirrors in all the reviews I’ve watched, and it’s been dozens! The stiff suspension shows it’s not a beginners bike, it’s very good at high speed and landing!

[@watb8689]

This bike frame was reference from many bikes, the design goal was to be agile and not like the old school stable on highway. ktm 390 adventure and Tenere were reference frames. This bike was extensively tested in China desert and also in US. It is tuned by a very famous old school dude for the european market.

[@dustinanderson4809]

Great review Solid. The only question that remains is.... Is it going to be better than the New 390adv from KTM? We'll find out soon.

[@holden3083]

👍. Now let’s see Suzuki bring out a drz 400adv bike. lol. What is your helmet & goggles combo please?

[@tieoneon1614]

Its a great bike and price, looks awesome in that grey too. Glad CF did this. But the biggest problem is these "Unicorn" bikes is they are anything but. Iv been there, bought and built several. What happens is u get a bike too small, not enough wind protection to travel longer distances on highway comfortably. And anything over 400lb's isnt really good offroad no matter what u do. Then the bike gets sold in a year or two cuz u started doing more highway, or more offroad. Then there is the selling point of "better offroad" than a bigger bike when reality is all u are riding is dirt roads, that bigger bikes can handle no differently. What happens then is people will sell for a AT or T7, or KLX/DR that they can truck to trails.

[@normananderson2583]

Not bad logic about some riders going from smaller to larger displacement and weight. But for many riders they are doing just the opposite as they get a little older but still like dirt and adventure...become less inclined to wrestle the big bike weight and the more exhausting dirt naps. And the CF will still get you to the dirt at a brisk enough pace on the motorway...

[@tieoneon1614]

@@normananderson2583 10 years ago I bought the Hype Bike, Tiger 800XC. Same suspension and weight as this, 100hp. I fell for the Offroad Unicorn glaze. Im thinking this Ibex is going to get guys thinking that buying it, buys offroad skill. After that it took a while of enduro riding to get comfortable riding ADV on serious offroad. Right now I see it as competition to CRF Rally, and KLR but both being better at offroad or ADV than the Ibex. Or a budget option to the 790R, which for that Im all about. I know CF's history well and have ridden several of their ATV's. But for now, the twitchy throttle and stiff suspension needs to be talked bout more cuz for the average rider that is going to a huge issue and can wreck a ride.

[@normananderson2583]

@@tieoneon1614 The 300L/Rally with a good aftermarket suspension fix is definitely better for off-road than the new CF...the much lighter weight ensures that. I've noticed the capable off-road rider reviews all say the CF suspension is jarring at slow speeds but much more capable at more pace...even to the point they don't consider it a novice bike for the dirt.

[@Noastrenght]

Hey Solid mate! There is a 50mm tall seat available directly through cf moto. Well at least here in Europe that is. Keep it up

[@chroniclesofsolid]

Thanks for the info!

[@donnishimoto9308]

I seem to read lot of good reviews of the MT 450 from Australia. Is the RE Himalayan 450 not available yet or not comparable? I would think that would be the closest competitor.

[@victorsturdivant4731]

Good, mature evaluation.

[@MrHamishJohnKilpatrick]

I bet they end up being as reliable and cheaper to service (over a year or two) than all competitors

[@muzammilfarooq4975]

Front fork also has adjustable preload

[@urastus9202]

what is "compression and damping"? I assumed it was an intentional typo by cfmoto, but repeated by you straight out of the specs (without questioning it). There is compression damping (high and low speed) and rebound damping. Is it one of these or two of these? If it is two do you know which two?