Ruby Franke & Jodi Hildebrandt #9 - (Therapist Reacts)

[@Lscherer4]

“Let’s look up culpable…. Deserving blame”. I couldn’t hold back my laughter after that. She’s so ridiculous and spews nonsense. Thank you for helping to emphasize that!

[@Mama_Bear524]

Jodie is a clear closet case to me. Clear as day. She’s projecting her unhappiness onto gay people who dare to live their lives and be happy.

[@lidewijcroes1795]

100% such a sad existence

[@baintreachas]

while i understand this perspective, i hate how the bigotry against us is blamed on us, and turned into an individual (rather than systemic/cultural issue) when people say things like "that guy's so homophobic, he must be gay". sure, there are cases like that. but honestly, this kind of speculation feels gross and inappropriate to me. at least you could say, she is projecting her unhappiness at living a "controlled" and "pure" life by criticizing those who prioritize their own happiness and sin, which, in her cultural framework, means gay people

[@akirashiori6265]

@@baintreachasthe people making that claim are other gay people. They make those observations because some of them have lived the closeted perspective so they’d know more than most when people are repressing

[@jodimarie379]

She may be gay, but being a "closet case" does not, a psychopath, make. This woman truly believes she is chosen by God to fight Satan and everything she does is necessary. She is a malignant narcissist.

[@baintreachas]

@@akirashiori6265 1) it is a very common claim to make, in general. idk abt this case, but most people who say this kind of thing, in my experience, are not gay, just because most people are not gay. that's not a good or bad thing 2) even if that were true... i am a gay who has also been closeted and repressed and yet i disagree. in fact, my favourite activity is disagreeing with other gay people. it's the collective's favored sport

[@mandi4794]

Jodi was Ruby's son's therapist, then she did "marriage therapy" for Ruby and her husband. Then she went into business with Ruby. She was also the therapist for one of Ruby's brothers or brother in law. And it really seems like her relationship with Ruby was something other and business/therapeutic. There were so many dual relationships with her!

[@cjgroom109]

seems like she has no real concern or loyalty to the code of ethics that she is supposed to strictly follow ):

[@tajneafoster2836]

I will assume that the son that was unfortunately under Jodi’s care is also the son that’s been accused of watching porn at 3 years old and so forth. And Jodi then told this lie to Ruby who ate it up.

[@Aw_tig]

Yes there’s a video of the oldest son from years ago saying what he had learnt from Jodi about truth and distortion 😑

[@Aw_tig]

@@tajneafoster2836the son she was originally the therapist for was the oldest

[@Lscherer4]

I’m not certain, but I think she was therapist for Ruby’s brother and sister in law and almost ruined their life. I swear I saw videos about that longggg before the arrests, etc.

[@NoThanksX]

As an older, straight cis-woman who has absolutely given up on finding a healthy partnership I WISH Tik Tok would make me gay! I'd watch it on 24/7 while strapped in a chair with my eyelids forced open a la Clockwork Orange.

[@mds8255]

😂 love it

[@LisaPFrampton]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@evilbunnyofhorror]

Ok I just literally laughed out loud so hard at "being sexual with the earth." Wtaf?! 😅

[@Queen_of_Quirky]

I love the way you are so real when you analyze these video clips. You don't use big psychological words. You tell it like it is. I wish I lived in Seattle because you are an amazing therapist. ❤

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Aw. Thanks. There are probably many excelling clinicians in your area. Worth shopping around.

[@AlexandraMSv]

I despise when they speak about "the truth" ... thank you for making a comment about that!

[@laurenwasinger9436]

“When I was your age, we didn’t have this TickTock. We had to become gay on our own!” “Ok grandma, sure, let’s have you lay back down ok?” 😅😅😅

[@kateashby3066]

Lmfao 😂

[@kateashby3066]

Whenever a bigot starts lecturing about homosexuality being unnatural, I like to post that pretty popular image of two MALE lions having intercourse 😂. They have never ever responded to that lol

[@celeste8157]

Kevin's lawyer was careful to say that Kevin didn't know about the PHYSICAL abuse and that Kevin had never PHYSICALLY abused his children

[@cindyliao2250]

That means Kevin is aware of other type of abuse. Kevin is the most selfish and terrible father.

[@kateashby3066]

Except wall-sits is physical abuse and Ruby used that regularly. These fre@ks just think that isn’t ab*se. Causing the body to cramp up for hours at a time totally is normal 🙄

[@heatherstanfield1007]

Dr. Honda I feel like it would be really interesting seeing you respond and react to the INSANE amount of misinformation spreading on mental illness and tik-tokrs even poseing as therapists themselves and giving advice under the guise of being licensed. It's nuts on there I think it would be interesting to see how misinformed these topics have become from an actual licensed therapist.

[@cjgroom109]

he has a tiktok account that have some rly good clips of his own content. I have yet to find a singular other therapist or psychology creator on tiktok who’s word i can take seriously at all. Ik Dr. Honda always says there are lots of therapists out there like him, but not the ones i see, especially not on tiktok. What’s upsetting at the same time is that people who are commonly under-diagnosed, specifically autistic girls/women/afab ppl, are finding that self diagnosing is the only way to get that diagnosis / get educated about their autistic traits, because their doctors are so oblivious to their autism. Though that is a very specific situation, and i definitely still do see a LOT of people falsely/quickly/carelessly self diagnosing on the basis of little to no logic or research

[@marissali61]

@@cjgroom109you need to advocate for yourself with your physician. They’re not with you 24/7 and can’t know you’re autistic from just one look at you. If you suspect you have autism say this to your physician. If they don’t take you seriously, find a new physician. Most physicians will look into this and take it seriously if you bring it up. Self diagnosing can be dangerous and result in the wrong treatment for the wrong issue. Editing to say I agree with your outlook on this. Just want to inform everyone self advocation is key.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Yeah, I've make some content like that. So much to say.

[@overthemoo]

⁠I’m currently doing a research paper on this very topic for my Senior Seminar course (final course for my bachelor’s degree). One recent study looked at the accuracy of informational videos on TikTok, wherein they categorized the posts in several ways and rated the accuracy of the information (accurate, inaccurate, generalization). Obviously it’s difficult to determine the consequences of what people do with information, whether accurate or not. Generally, studies conclude that it doesn’t help in efforts to rid of the stigma surrounding mental illness, according to negative and/or harmful statements made on social media. On the other hand, as someone here also pointed out, there are many people who were misdiagnosed, never diagnosed, or never had access to see a clinician for diagnosis that have come to rely on this information online. As Dr. Honda is aware, many people misuse clinical terms, and while stigma is certainly an issue that has varied effects, there is not much we can do to stop people from talking about these things. We can only do our best to support those who offer more accurate information and encourage others to do the same.

[@cjgroom109]

@@marissali61 true. I haven’t had a chance to talk about it with anyone yet, other than my primary care physician. She said they would complete a psychiatry referral for me and never did. In the past, when i was seeing psychologists, i didn’t even know enough about autism to have suspicions. I’ve stopped waiting for my PCP to give me the referral, and I’ve been contacting psychiatrists on my own. It’s just frustrating that no one seems to notice or care when i do bring it up

[@krystal_senem]

Adam Steed, another victim of Jodi, told Mormon Stories that (the video is now removed), he was also placed in a men's group by Jodi alongside individuals who were allegedly deeply troubled, despite being a survivor of SA himself which was a deliberate attempt to reduce his status to their level. He said that he was also not allowed to speak to his wife during that time.

[@tracevicente]

I saw that, too. Same with at least another man who was isolated from his family. Kevin is still responsible. But Jodi is most of all. She should never be allowed in society again.

[@OfficialBritta]

I didn’t realize the interview was removed. His story was so hard to watch and seeing the things Kevin’s lawyer said in this video really echoed some of the things that Adam talked about. The way that Jodi tore Adam and his wife apart was sickening.

[@WrenBird449]

@@OfficialBritta unfortunately it was removed by court order. Here's to hoping that's a good and not a bad sign!

[@stephaniefreedman6767]

I'm early!! Thank you for covering this, Dr. Honda. Your outlook is different than that of a lot of other people who I've seen covering this. I really love hearing your outlook and how you reflect on your own beliefs and experiences and how that influences your perspective. I'm getting my master's in clinical and counseling psychology, and you've been such a joy to watch throughout! You've helped me figure out a great deal about myself just by reacting to these videos!

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Welcome to the field of counseling!

[@Humanessence778]

Why would anyone ask her anything when she's so mean to them? The way she answers questions "Thanks for your question, it's all your fault..." If anyone sounds like she might have a dungeon downstairs, it would be her.

[@Alayhoo]

This puzzles me as well but I think it relates to the way the church frames it’s ideology to it’s followers. The tone is very similar to Jodi, like talking down to ppl from their moral high horse, because there’s a belief that shaming someone will prevent them from doing the thing in the future.

[@LyLy-ct9ib]

I know, right? Also, so many people are calling her a “charismatic cult leader”. I don’t find her charismatic at all. The way she speaks completely turns me off and makes me want to get away from her. How is this considered charismatic?

[@Alayhoo]

@@LyLy-ct9ib I also do not find her charming in the slightest. But I think she’s considered charismatic because people find her compelling due to her self-assurance and I think a lot of ppl are desperate and vulnerable and willing to believe what she promises. There’s another video of Jodi doing a workshop with LDS therapists and she literally says that if you follow her principles of truth, you wont get sick and you won’t age as quickly. She says that’s why she looks so young. 🥴

[@RomaBeautyLily]

I’m glad I wasn’t the only one thinking this. I’m curious though. I’m autistic- are either of you neurodivergent 🧐 this wouldn’t be the first time I’ve had an ick feeling with someone people describe that way

[@Alayhoo]

@@RomaBeautyLily I’m autistic too, so totally just guessing at what the NTs who call Jodi charismatic are thinking. It makes zero sense to me personally. There is literally not one thing about her that is at all appealing to me. She reeks of insincerity. How anyone would find her compelling is beyond me. She just acts like any other grumpy, self-righteous, entitled white lady who thinks she’s above everyone. 🤮 I had to grow up in the church with A LOT of Karens so her vibe is an immediate red flag to me. I felt the same way about Ruby. That sickly sweet sadistic smile of hers says it all.

[@emmebella]

The oldest daughter Shari has custody of her two younger sisters. She went with the police and Children’s Services to recover some of her sister’s’ belongings. Kevin Franke called the police and wanted Shari charged with burglary. When the police said Shari wouldn’t be charged, Kevin then threatened to sue the police. What are your thoughts on this?

[@LisaPFrampton]

Woah!!!!!!! And how did you find this info? I have to admit that I'm lapping this all up 😂

[@emmebella]

@@LisaPFrampton I saw this on several KZbin channels

[@Catie_Joy]

I’ve been following this story via Mormon Stories and Jordan & McKay, and I really appreciate your insights! The Mormon Stories interview with Adam Paul Steed (currently unavailable, but they’re working to be able to bring it back) goes into deep detail about Jodi’s “men’s groups”-she separates couples who start out together in group sessions by gender, and seems to work to turn the wives against their husbands (words like “abuser,” “addict,” and “cheating” are used in rather inventive ways!). Adam was eventually kicked out of BYU after Jodi got involved in his marriage and disclosed things to a church leader, and he is the client whose report got Jodi’s license suspended at one point. I hope more people who have been harmed by Jodi’s methods are able to speak out now that she’s being investigated!

[@beanyboomer5391]

If you go to Hidden True Crimes there are two separate interviews with Adam there. They are both very good. The channel itself is excellent

[@silverforest83]

Yes please watch the interviews with Adam

[@yogadork_namaste]

​@@beanyboomer5391yeah hidden true crime is great, it's just a shame that Adam's 5 hour long form interview got restricted. How can they silence him like that? I wonder if they'll go after hidden, next.

[@petiolereads]

Yep, the Adam interviews will give a first-hand account of Jodi's extreme stances on sex, her apparent view that (nearly?) all men are dangerous predators, and her tactics to tear these men down and isolate them from their families. So so so sad.

[@Shelsight]

Jeez, her anger is so palpable in all these streams. Whatever her ‘members’ thought about her opinions and positions on certain subjects, I still can’t understand how they could see the rage and control seeping out of her in all these videos and still think she is a professional therapist. She’s red-faced, shaking and seething in most of them.

[@mandi4794]

Jodi is truly a charasmatic cult leader. Its terrifying how long she was allowed to spread her hateful theology and operate as a mental health care professional. She ruined so many lives.

[@Mama_Bear524]

I honestly don’t even find her charismatic but obviously she is to many.

[@beanyboomer5391]

She looks messed up on something quite often

[@mandi4794]

@@Mama_Bear524 same. hate and anger is just dripping from her. i think it was different for people in her care.

[@SusanWillful]

​@Mama_Bear524 Rather than being charismatic, I think it's more likely she terrifies and shames people into doing what she says except those like Ruby who fall in line enthusiastically because they relish joining in her sadism. Evil.

[@coriroo9323]

I am glad you are still holding the father responsible. I have no doubt that Jodi mistreated him and had a hand in keeping him away. However, he absolutely participated in abusive parenting practices before she got there, and those kids deserve nothing but peace and healing. If he does regain custody, I hope he is very carefully monitored and undergoes REAL therapy and child development classes.

[@dianaconnolly44]

Here early! I so appreciate your content Dr. Honda. I’ve been watching since the early days of the pandemic. :)

[@elainemackenzie9651]

I can't believe people actually paid to listen to her ranting 🤣😂

[@beanyboomer5391]

Mormons!

[@leahflower9924]

Reminds me of Tori Amos she always sang about people feeling religious guilt and how she did and didn't want to

[@jodimarie379]

I think it would be interesting to see what can be found on good ol' Kev. He recently tried getting the oldest girl arrested when she and a social worker went to get stuff for the two kids not in the hospital but were in her custody.

[@beanyboomer5391]

There are google reviews from his students and they didn’t like him.

[@lidewijcroes1795]

So he tried to get his own daughter arrested? That’s awful that poor girl

[@jodimarie379]

@@lidewijcroes1795 he accused her of breaking down the door. The police said, no we actually did that, he insisted she stole things. The police were like, well, you said you haven't been here for a year, she used to live here, she has custody of her siblings and we can see she has their stuff and she is here with the caseworker for your kids. We are not arresting her. He threatened to sue them. Smh.

[@joyandrews3804]

I think Keven was throwing a temper tantrum because his eldest daughter got custody instead of him.

[@jodimarie379]

@@joyandrews3804 I think he is on the same spectrum as Ruby, maybe not quite as far, but far enough that he probably would not have been too outraged; he is pissed that Shari slipped his control. I think he has a lawyer who told him to stfu and to let the lawyer do the talking.

[@Ms.Prairie]

21:47 lmaooooo your sass/wit is so appreciated, I can’t even explain 😂

[@tracycoomer2646]

I was once a Foster Care Counselor & I really enjoy your channel. Some of the jobs you described having in your early career sounded very similar to mine. When you comment on the Jodi H. topic I find myself nodding in agreement with nearly we every word you say. Very satisfying to listen.

[@StephanieGould]

Just when I think she can’t get more evil and delusional, she spouts more and more vitriol.

[@AChickandaDuck]

I was Mormon until my mid30’s. Sexual feelings and activity are okay for married couples (if they’re heterosexual) and it’s generally accepted that members are free to do what feels good for them within their relationship. Jodi definitely took things to a whole new level in her group. It’s so unfortunate that someone who is already in a cult would then get into an even worse one.

[@WorldOfTess2024]

Thank you for speaking sense about that train wreck of a "therapist".

[@coconutpandanlatte]

I watched this documentary of homosexual behaviours in animals back in film studies back in college. It's crazy how buried this documentary was because it didn't share the values of monogamous partners for life like birds do that are widespread values in Western culture. I was so amazed at this documentary and have a hard time finding again clearly shows how even documentaries that are supposed to be closer to truth are still created through human values, point of angle and based for viewership and capitalism. It's crazy for someone to still believe in this day and age that homosexuality is a lifestyle. It is very upsetting!

[@krystal_senem]

"Jodie's brother's child" Dr. Honda, your thoughtfulness is truly touching, brought tears to my eyes.

[@elizaline7571]

Thanks for covering this, Dr Honda

[@Alayhoo]

Jodi makes lust sound like the path to the dark side but then speaks in absolutes like a Sith. 😂 “Always two there are. A master and an apprentice.” A Jodi who embodies the power and a Ruby to crave it.

[@thewonderfulworldofkatushya950]

Mormons are like that 😂😂 they're stuck in 1355😂😂

[@gargur3680]

Love you!!! 😳💗

[@mermaidprincess2509]

I find it interesting how she completely avoided "attraction to children" since they seem to allow that.

[@cassiepfannenstiel8048]

Dr. Honda, I so appreciate your insight and perspective on this situation. If you wanted to continue exploring the Jodi Hildebrandt rabbit hole, Mormon stories podcast also did some interviews with Adam Paul Steed who has a miraculous life story that includes a very similar history of abuse with Jodi. She broke therapist/client confidentiality with Adam and reported him to BYU where he was a student, and eventually got him kicked out of college. I believe her license was originally called into question because he sought legal action against her. I would be very interested to see your reaction to this.

[@jodimarie379]

They had to take the interview down after receiving a cease and desist order.

[@cassiepfannenstiel8048]

@@jodimarie379 Aw really? That’s a shame.

[@Tinkerbe11]

There's a shorter interview with him on Law & Crime Network, and since Dr Honda has been covering some of their videos, I hope he will get to that as well.

[@celiacelisally]

Again I say this again children are possessions to them… I find it disgusting because a parents job is to care for a child regardless of thanks, your child is to be given all the basic needs of life it’s their entitlement when you brought them into this world. Bc they’re vulnerable helpless and dependent on your because your choice…: this is why it’s important to give humans choice and it’s important to give support real support, education and accountability for caring for children.

[@stellannie86]

I know a lot of women who'd love a route to becoming gay; hasn't been found yet.

[@sabrinanicole758]

I don't really know what to make with Kevin yet. On one hand I can see the brainwashing happening exactly the war he says. But then he tried to file charges against his oldest daughter this week for burglary. She went with a cps worker and the police to the family home to retrieve items for the two siblings she has in her care right now. That doesn't sound like a caring parent who just realized that his kids were severely abused and is now trying to make up for his neglect. That sounds a bit vindictive imo.

[@StephanieGould]

Jodi is also projecting BIG TIME. Yikes. She must have a ton of self loathing

[@acantz]

I just need to know if the licensing board/ college there is under fire? Because it takes more than just Jodi for this stuff to have happened for years without being stopped. Did other therapists report her? There needs to be further reaching ramifications/ consequences from this in order to protect the integrity of our profession

[@Alayhoo]

Since the videos are everywhere, Kevin and his attorney come across to the court of public opinion they’re intentionally trying to deceive the public. As if we haven’t seen the videos of Kevin cheering Ruby’s abuse on. Separate from the abuse, Kevin is screwed anyway: Under Utah Code 76-5-109, child abandonment is defined as a parent or legal guardian with custody of a child (a person under age 18), leaving the child for 30 days or longer. A violation of Subsection (2) is a second degree felony if, as a result of the child abandonment: the child suffers a serious physical injury. It really doesn’t matter if he didn’t know there was abuse, he has broken the law regardless.

[@mountainheather]

I love how with every stupid thing she says your eyes get wider and wider! So glad this woman is behind bars (not for her idiocy though which is unfortunate)!

[@rottencandystudios1857]

Thank you for undoing some of the harm of this human

[@Foghorn-tr1je]

As an exmormom the idea that there should not be lust in marriages is not a common idea. In fact it is closer to the opposite. There is this expectation that you don’t do anything before marriage but instantly flip the switch to do everything and frequently. That transition is often difficult particularly for women because they had so many lessons m how they needed to guard against men and sex to keep the law of chastity. So many messages that a women’s value is linked to her “purity.”

[@Alayhoo]

That was my ex-Mormon mom’s experience as well. She said once she was married, my dad expected her to have sex with him whenever he felt like it and it didn’t matter if it was 3am and she was sleeping, he’d expect her to wake up and do what he wants. When she pushed back, he’d say it was her duty as a wife. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 When she got the courage to refuse him completely, he went out and had affairs with multiple coworkers for over 18 years. When my parents announced they were finally getting a divorce after 31 years of misery, it was one of the happiest days of my life.

[@joannawrzelikowska3273]

Evening with youtube and Dr Honda 😎

[@mayloomis9638]

10:15 "Can we override that? Yes!" (being gay) Uh. WTF? That's the first thing I've heard that make me think she might actually be gay. I mean. I'm hetero. I asked myself seriously when I was a teen who I was attracted to, and after some study, I realized I was cis. There would be no way for me to override that. My sexuality is my sexuality. That's it! Done deal! If she thinks that sexuality can be overridden, then she has to be closeted. I had some doubt before about that rumor, and figured there's no way to really know, but how could she seriously believe that unless she's gay or bi? I mean... anyone? Thoughts?

[@superhetoric]

she has completely convinced herself of this, yes. gay.

[@sixgrandchildren5973]

It seems as though if you're a kid in the Morman religion you're screwed. If you survive until you're an adult, no holds barred be as mean to kids as you want.

[@MarilynValentine-c1d]

Jodi and Ruby’s view of how to treat your children are not part of the mainstream Mormon philosophy

[@sixgrandchildren5973]

@@MarilynValentine-c1d Adam Snead said Jodi gets patients from the Mormon church and BYU that's what I thought Jodi's niece said pretty much the same thing, Morman stories podcast etc.and Jodi and Ruby grew up in the main stream Morman I call these a cult within a cult .

[@cripplymacdeafy]

Yes, this will be a fascinating docuseries and perhaps finally we’ll be transported to 2024. Love you, Dr Kirk!

[@pateicialane4740]

But Kevin on tape being a creep to his kids now wants daughter arrested and spoke to ruby and demanded I pad journals to get rid of for ruby to not be incriminated

[@n0thanku]

I rewatched the part about the definition of culpable so many times lol

[@janshe3597]

I hope this trial is going to be live to watch. I want to see Jodi without makeup or a decent hairstyle trying to defend herself. I’m not sure if any of you have seen the interview on, “Mormon Stories Podcast” with Jodi’s niece, Jessi, gives a very interesting insight into Jodi’s mindset. Jessi was brought to live with her Aunt Jodi as a teen, she was subjected to the same tortures, and physical abuse, that the two Franke children were. When Jesse escaped Jodi fled the Country. Jodi’s whole mindset is obsessed with sex, porn, and masturbation, just like all of the Mormon Bishops/this Cult are. She falsely accuses every male client she has with some form of sexual deviant behaviour. Look at her actions against Adam Steed, speaking of him, a few days ago a Court Order was served on, “Mormon Stories Podcast” to take down the interview they did with him. They, the MSP site, posted a small explanation, along with a general summary, discussing exactly what was said in that interview with Adam.

[@mammajamma4959]

I dont remember which comedian said this but it sums it up-"I read thousands of heterosexual books growing up and it didnt make me heterosexual"

[@germanxmascookie]

Dr. Kirk: Apart from the abuse, is this also negligent parenting? It seems like the parenting approach avoided the hard work of attuning to your children, communicating effectively, modeling behavior, etc. aka the hard work of parenting, in favor of a lazy Do-What-I-Say-Or-Be-Punished approach.

[@Mama_Bear524]

They did neglect the kids. And neglect is abuse.

[@lNoWayAroundItl]

6:42 Ugh. I hate that. Children that are raised by parents can only live with them until they are 18 years old and then set off. If they have to leave a toxic family or family member they can continue on their remaining lifetime without that person in it (could be around 60-70 years). Parents that have this demand on their child will loose them.

[@schrecksekunde2118]

especially Jodie seems to think similar to my father and believe that feeding and housing your children is something you deserve praise and obedience for, especially in form of "asking for your advice" aka "doing as you say". at the same time if a child "disappoints" her reaction is "that little brat exploited (!) me and now let's get the tools to break his/her legs". it's practically 100% my father except that he's an atheist which spared us the extra cruelty displayed here. if he'd had thought he's not only right but god-right the whole story would have turned into something even more harmful. some weeks ago he told us he can't be to blame for anything that happened because he "never beat us up" which is nice but doesn't make him that great. he was really shocked when i laughed at him 😄

[@HalloweenFreak365]

Love how people think tiktok makes people gay and not that people are already gay and going on tiktok SEARCHING for gay stuff, cuz they’re gay, and want gay content. 🙄

[@sarah_bae]

That doesn’t mean a child should have access to it or all the other misinformation spread through TikTok

[@jaymidiaz5126]

Blame was spoken soo much at the beginning that “blame”started sounding pretty weird lol

[@thebowandbullet]

Wow. So she thinks that bringing a child into the world and giving them the basic necessities of life (food, shelter, clothing) means you *_own_* them and if they don't let you control every aspect of their life and being, then that means the child exploited you?? Sick and twisted way of thinking.

[@martahernandez9784]

You are very logical. Therefore, it is comforting to listen to you.

[@suejones7390]

Did she say attracted or having sex with the Earth?. I would be very concerned if my son especially. But my daughter was having sex with the earth. That would be very painful depending on the bark of the tree. It would also be very painful if they chose rosebushes good lord have mercy, poison ivy, poisoned oak.. This is the ludicrous behavior that is coming out of this woman's mouth. My God, I wanna know what she means by that. What did they dig and get in a hole what?

[@ashleypearson7848]

Parents should be accepting no matter what and i stand on that!

[@Ms.Prairie]

10:55 totally can attest that 50-80% of LGBTQIA+ have dreamt this too. I can so imagine interracial marriage thoughts processed like that too pre-civil rights and Indian Act. Thank you, Doc! ❤

[@leaterry1504]

If you search KZbin or google, there is a video of Jodi Hildebrandt singing "I Will Survive" and Kevin Franke is in the video behind her with 2 other men doing choreography! Kevin was all up in Jodi's business.

[@spiderinacup1543]

"Language shenanigans" 👏

[@LenaL146]

So true, that’s exactly how the cult leaders do it. They somehow know the power of NLP and they use it to their advantage - it’s like their special amazing talent!!!

[@samanthas8340]

The way it looks to me is that, Ruby was possibly a long fan of Jodi''s before getting involved with Jodi or was familiar with the same teachings (aparently there is some scary parenting book from 94' with some of these ideas). Then the Franke's send their oldest son to wilderness camp, which rumor has it was also orchestrated by Jodi somehow. Kevin had been filmed defending the abuse claims saying they were following the advice of a therapist around that same time that they sent their son there, persumably before Ruby and Jodi got close. In addition to this, based on the Adam Steed interview and other claims, Jodi's MO was to separate wives and husbands AND the Mormon bishops had a history of referring memebers to Jodi very regularly (enough for her to make her millions, I guess). So in that sense, it seems to me the Franke's were referred. Jodi wasn't likely seeking clout, it doesnt seem like she needed to. But as far as Kevin and his lawyer are concerned, well, his lawyer, imo is just framing things the way he needs to in order to win, but Kevin seemed to be aligned/on board with Ruby's style of punishment/abuse - he may have only started deviating from that around the time that Ruby had gotten worse before closing down her channel. Total spectulation, but I'm thinking he took an issue when they took Chad's bed away, and when they sent him to camp, only he was coming around to these things and filmed as such, since it was advised from an LPCC. He likely also took sides in the family around the same time that Ruby's sisters and mother were taking issue with the direction Ruby was heading as well. And that's sort of what instigated the split, perhaps also part of Jodi's long game tactic of isolating Ruby, so she would become a greater devote cult memeber.

[@heatherbrenner8275]

I forgot about how gay people didn't exist before tictok... Lol...I don't know if it's possible to turn people gay but it's definitely possible to make them stupid and/or brainwashed. Therapists have a lot of power. I've only been a client but I know there are things I've done I wouldn't have if I didn't have my therapist pushing me. I'd like to think that the things I've done are more positive than this. I know I never duct taped my kid... But I can totally see how someone like Jodi could take someone who really has good intentions of parenting and make them monsters. Sometimes as a parent you really are at a loss on what to do or how to act and having a bad therapist would be really terrible for someone in that state.

[@almaotero2696]

Dr. Honda do you think Ruby or Jodi be open to seek therapy/counseling? Based on your experience are people like them damage goods forever? It's interesting that everything that she deems distortion is exactly what she does to others. I wouldn't be surprise if later on we find out she may be lesbian and that may be the reason she despise men, gay, conventional marriage. She may be suppressing and condemning her own desires. I find it unlikely that anyone outside the mormón church would listen to her or seek therapy. I would like for you to do a video on the negative effect these type of abuse can have on children.

[@badtvbad1]

About Jodi manipulating Kevin into staying away from his family. This is not unique. This is something Jodi has a habit of doing. Adam Paul Steed related something similar. The level of crazy going on with Adam Paul Steed was impressive. While under Jodi's influence, his wife called the police because he had put his backpack on the couch. This was a transgression so awful in her eyes the police needed to be involved. And if you are going to regard such small things as criminal offenses, there's no way the husband can ever redeem himself. It's a pattern of Jodi's.

[@Stacey98761]

I hope this young man doesn’t or does see it and finds support in strangers or someone else. And that this mother just accept he was born this way and that they can’t change him.

[@drifamagnusdottir2170]

I just can’t… this is HORRIBLE and thinking about her being a therapist and advising this to a couple who have a young healthy son brave enough to tell the truth that he is gay. This is a nightmare and I hope we all and her followers learn something from this.

[@ludiprice]

Yeah, I agree that Kevin genuinely didn't engage with the kids for all that time, and I think it's because a) he was completely brainwashed by Jodi into believing he was the problem in the family and needed to be away to save it (she did this to other men too, where they completely isolated themselves from their own families for lengthy periods of time, or until a divorce); and b) he is a complete walkover and was dominated and guided by Ruby, and would do anything she said. If she forced him out, I believe he'd take it. But I also 100% agree that that does not exonerate him from the things he was complicit in while he was still living in that house. PS: I'm pretty sure this is not something Jodi did on the fly. It was a tried and tested method for her. If you watch Adam Steed's interviews, it was something she did for years. Couples therapy at the beginning, to get everyone at ease. Separate the couples into men and women's groups, where the women were brainwashed into believing their husbands were evil perverts, and the men were broken down systematically and brainwashed into leaving their families lest they infect them with 'distortion'. This has been going on for years. Jodi's mistake was preying on a family that was in the public eye.

[@alittlestone]

I distinctly remember a message from a pastor about how evil it is to lust after your spouse, and how he had to be celibate within his own marriage for a time because he was lusting after his own wife. At the time I was so "inspired" by his holiness, not only to be convicted of this sin, but to confess it to all of us.... 🙄

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

[@mamabear52]

We need to know more about Kevin’s upbringing to access why we think he should have halted what we saw. Seems we presume that Kevin is coming with higher parental skills than he had. My late husband was never spanked, I was as a child. Had he married a woman with a non-spanking background, then the children would likely not be spanked either. We bring our past and societal norms into our parental practices. I believe Kevin wanted his wife and children back, but seeking custody would definitely have removed a lot of money from the 8Passengers residual funds.

[@sorrelbee113]

My mother didn't rise to this kind of level, but Ruby's sermons about how children don't get to have rights or privacy and this is Her House not Their House etc etc and then taking all that way beyond reason, using it as an excuse to exercise unfettered control over her children - that all reminds me of my mother. She'd say I was legally her property, and she could hit ne and starve me and isolate me and confine me to the home if she wanted. My therapist at the time backed her up and enabled her, too. I didn't realize how bad it was until I moved on and had new, better therapists in the future. (I'm not someone who moves from therapist to therapist looking for someone who will validate me, either - I've only had 3 therapists in 8-9 years of continuous therapy since then; I found new ones only when I moved; and they've all disapproved of the one who enabled my mother.) Now, listening about this story can be difficult (especially because these kids went through so much worse than I did) but some of Ruby's speeches are aomost verbatim from my mother's playbook, and it is SO incredibly validating to hear reasonable adults, including mental health professionals, decry this kind of parenting and this kind of parenting mentality. As a parent you are responsible for leading and guiding and supporting your children to the best of your ability in order to help them become well-adjusted, functioning adults, and we don't all have to agree down to the letter on what that means - but it does *not* mean your children are your property and you can do whatever you want with no consequences because you have "authority as the parent." Even if there aren't consequences for *you,* there will be consequences for your *children* if you choose to parent that way. It's never wise to view or treat a person like an object, or to conflate love with control.

[@schrecksekunde2118]

really like your channel 👍

[@littleboxxes]

The Steed interview. Please.

[@SusanWillful]

From other interviews apparently the way Jodi separated the Frankes was her SOP.

[@tiffany.Elizabeth.]

If by her logic, you’re not predisposed to feel attracted to the same sex, then how would you need to ‘override’ it. That statement inherently means that it’s inherent.

[@brandybarnett9953]

I don’t get how a person is not worthy of a roof over his head because he is gay. She’s got a roof over her head at this very moment in jail. Then again the God that I believe in makes all of us and loves all of us.

[@Thinkforyourselves64]

What’s tick talk?

[@sunshinesc90]

I did not see that last line coming.

[@MsGoddess4]

I believe Jodi is gay. There is something between Jodi and Ruby.

[@lNoWayAroundItl]

1:01 + 1:24 Noooo. Lol that made me chuckle. 😂

[@delagonz4295]

Omg 😳 this is sooo terrifying and interesting

[@jeannegriffin7273]

You’re so intelligent and articulate. I wish you could find a way to not dig at conservatives on every video though. Some of us have sincere beliefs but aren’t crazy 😢

[@Star01again]

What does she get out of separating families?

[@jowilliams9432]

It was utube who took down 8 passengers after hundreds of complaints

[@Chromebiscuit]

I know you said conversion therapy for homosexuality does not work, but think I remember you saying that minor-attracted people/pedophiles can be reorientated to be attracted to adults. Curious how this works!

[@epileptictrees5213]

No, he never said that.

[@Chromebiscuit]

@@epileptictrees5213 He did - I'm not making a value judgment on his statement by the way, I'm just genuinely curious

[@epileptictrees5213]

@@Chromebiscuit He said therapy can help as treatment to help them deal with their desires, not that you can "convert" them, afaik.

[@Chromebiscuit]

@@epileptictrees5213 Could be! We might have a different memory of it :)

[@jplattet]

I had to do a bong hit to get through Jodi's BS.

[@beckfry5374]

Kevin and Ruby did indeed first go to Jodi for marriage counseling

[@asho345]

There is nothing wrong with being terrasexual 🌎

[@myrnabragg9313]

It’s a word circus

[@celeste8157]

I love that the whole world now knows Jodi is as gay as the day is long 😅 I also love that Dr. Honda referred to her as a 'charismatic cult leader' because we all know that equals psychopath!

[@heylookitsnana]

While the abuse happening during the vlogging days was bad, I don't think it was criminal. I think it's fair that Kevin was unaware of the criminal abuse as far as we understand the facts since he was removed from the home.for 14 months. However, Natalie Lawyer Chick (defense attorney lawyer KZbinr. Very compassionate person), believes there's evidence to suggest the father is guilty of criminal abandonment for not having any contact, as far as we know, for those 14 months.

[@Mama_Bear524]

She restricted food. She punished them by taking away food! That’s absolutely abusive! And Kevin was there. He’s complicit.

[@Lscherer4]

I definitely think it’s possible that he didn’t know about the restraining with duct tape, etc. I used to occasionally watch 8Passengers a decade ago. I was a teenager then and didn’t yet understand the damage of “family vloggers”. They were the first family vlogger channel I stopped watching because I realized things being posted were not okay and so stopped supporting them. Kevin absolutely participated in emotional abuse and allowed restriction of meals sometime as well as some other abusive behaviour. But I’m not sure he’d allow physically restraining their kids. Time will tell with what comes out about him.

[@ckwanita907]

Being sexual with the earth 🌎

[@lilacscentedfushias1852]

I’ve thought I can’t wait for the documentary into this. I’m beginning to think J will get more time than r, who was already abusive. But when j came into it….sheesh! I’d still like both to be locked up for good

[@NN57143]

Ruby and Kevin Franke are responsible for what happened to their kids.

[@StephanieGould]

It’s sounds like the Mormon version of NXIVM.

[@betanialacoste7945]

The children were food deprived umder Kevin's presence in the home. They were hollard at and whipped with a belt.

[@poi4ever121]

How do people become so punitive? Are the born to punish or what?

[@slconley]

I wonder if Jodi is going to have to address her sexuality while in jail???? 🤭

[@angelapepple9901]

I don't believe that a gay person can make someone gay.... I have gay friends ( some that I knew were gay and one that actually came out long after we were already friends)... None of them "turned" me gay.... I am a heterosexual woman and having gay friends/coworkers has not changed that