What the HELL is Rock & Rule? (A Box Office FAILURE)

Rock & Rule is one of the most tragic box office failures in animation history. It got SCREWED and I wish more people would watch the movie. It's something else
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[@Saberspark]

*VIDEO INFORMATION UPDATE* I made some mistakes while researching this video and confused some information. A person who actually worked on a restoration edit for Rock & Rule mentioned a few things about the film and what I got wrong. Sincerely, I apologize for the mistakes. I value accurate information above all else in my videos but some things fell through the cracks here. Moving forward, I'll make sure to be more thorough with my research and that the information I have is 100% accurate an also letting you all know when information is my personal opinion or a theory and not a proven fact. That being said, here are a few primary things I got wrong. By the way, I'm copy/pasting the following info from the corrected comment: -The longer 1 hour 21 minute version is the Original Version, Greg Salata playing the more cocky, arrogant Omar, Zip surviving and lacking the extended explanation of the world at the start (no mutated dogs/cats/mice, etc.) -The version posted on KZbin is the altered MGM US Cut, it was heavily reworked and Omar was redubbed/rewritten to be more ''sympathetic'', with Zip dying at the end (which was their intention judging by the workprint, which I used to restore the film's final act) -The version on KZbin is also not ''the first time'' it's been on the platform, Clive A. Smith's personal account once had an upload of the film which was much better quality than the one which is a VHS rip of the US Cut from back in the day, and before that my own uploads of my restorations which amassed 70k and 200k before they got pulled If you'd like to watch the restored version of the movie from this commentator, go hit up their channel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWSaoKNom7t0hqs Once more, I apologize for any mistakes on my end. I never had the intention of putting out wrong info. I honestly thought what I found was the truth but mistakes were made. I'll make sure it doesn't happen again in future videos and that I start to source my videos in the description

[@cfiber_inc]

The characters look scary

[@olgabryanmandagitilaar4963]

Can you review The Plague Dogs please?

[@Ehrenchinzilla]

No, no noooooooo!

[@Saberspark]

@@olgabryanmandagitilaar4963 Eventually. I also want to check out Watership Down but I want to read the book first

[@pongchannel.]

good job was a great video

[@missZoey5387]

So, this movie failed not because audiences got a fair look at it and decided it was trash, it failed because a studio deliberately sabotaged it. Damn.

[@RaphEnthusiast]

I guess so

[@platinumpolicy2384]

And the bastards sold the music to different people so we couldn’t even get a soundtrack. I saw this in the theaters when I was 4 and still remember it

[@i-am-a_person8598]

So like iron giant

[@rexana_rexana]

@i-am- a_person and treasure planet. Companies love to trash good movies

[@Ingvaeone]

Just like firefly

[@NecroCritic]

Mok wanted to summon a demon to slaughter his fans just because his last concert wasn't sold out. The funny thing is, according to several members of the production crew, there were only two empty seats at said concert. Mok is just THAT petty.

[@vanniv.5688]

Commenting because I feel you deserve more likes. That adds to the BEAUTY of MOK

[@BloodWired]

I actually love the plot of this movie. The real problem is that no one knew how to pace animated adult films at the time, so it comes across like a total mess.

[@nytrodioxide]

@@BloodWired Yeah, it shouldn't have happened, but I kept my faith within something wrong. Shouldn't have been doing that or ever going to that level, and I'm done playing that level in my life.

[@flowersforever5970]

Who tf is Mok? Lol

[@rabbit0664]

That's Mok for you.

[@dottyorange2632]

Dude, Mok is what I imagine Jeffree Star is gonna look like in 20 years.

[@garbageman2977]

THIS SENT ME TO SATURN I-

[@Psychoclaw]

I'm screaming laughing! I just watched the movie and said to myself "Man, it's like Jeffree Star in 30 years".

[@spookymustard1186]

@@Psychoclaw what did u watch it on? it seems rlly interesting and I wanna take a look at it

[@alittleedgy8947]

@@spookymustard1186 Saber said it was on KZbin

[@spookymustard1186]

@@alittleedgy8947 oh nice

[@vixxiiestixx]

i keep hearing nirvana instead of nelvana, and i was like "when tf did kurt animate movies..??"

[@daydaychyna]

lmbo my cc keeps putting nirvana

[@falconeshield]

Had he lived who knows

[@Mirage42069]

He was a talented artist so who knows

[@drewo.127]

SAME!!! I know it’s “Nelvana”, and I can clearly hear and say the name correctly, but Nirvana is so freaking close both in spelling and pronunciation, that I can’t help but wonder if there is an alternate universe where Nirvana was both a band and an adult animation studio!

[@nostalgiaworks5999]

Nelvana's first animated movie: Rock and Rule Nelvana's second animated movie: The Care Bears Movie *Press F to pay respects*

[@ZiddersRooFurry]

The Care Bears was pretty good. Plus it saved their studio.

[@mrvakes]

F

[@nostalgiaworks5999]

@@ZiddersRooFurry Would Nelvana have a better legacy if their studio wasn't saved? That is the question.

[@noxturne16]

F

[@keatonott8634]

@@nostalgiaworks5999 That's like saying itd be better to die at graduation if you peaked in high school. If you ain't around to enjoy it, what's the point in a legacy?

[@JohnCelestri]

As the Nelvana animator of Cindy, Mylar the club owner, and Officer Quadhole, I’m very glad you enjoyed my animation on Rock & Rule.

[@justalittlesquish4749]

I absolutely love your work! Especially on Cindy.

[@rorqualmaru]

Great work!

[@JohnCelestri]

@@justalittlesquish4749 Thank you, Hannah!

[@JohnCelestri]

@@rorqualmaru Thanks, Roy!

[@KUYAMIN]

dude, you did great. so fluid and characteristic

[@foxbiscuit]

Adult animations from pre-1990 are so..... Stylized, but so fluid and well down. I really wish that adult animations would come back. I imagine that theres a large market for them now, but so many people don't pay attention to the plot of what theyre seeing before they take their kids to the theater.

[@thewindthatblows]

Today you have the 2000s-2018 anime by Masaaki Yuasa

[@ducko5404]

If it came back it would be this pseudo anime inspired bullshit like everything else

[@ecayeta]

nowadays you have adult jokes on kid movies

[@DeadlyInsomnia]

I agree. Oh do I so much agree. The problem these days is it all comes down to under cut budgets hoping to do everything on the cheap in the hopes of turning over a bigger profit

[@titanomachy2217]

You should check out all of Ralph Bakshi's movies and Osamu Tezuka's Animerama trilogy if you haven't yet.

[@undeadunderground1213]

I can see your point about Omar, but as someone who hangs out with a lot of musicians (I do a lot of band photography), he really rings true as having "frontman syndrome". So does the dynamic with Angel and the other bandmates. It really feels like something written by musicians for musicians. Watching it made me really eager to see live shows again!

[@TheKitchenNinja]

It really kinda fits! Stretch is your classic weirdo bass player. He's probably a gear head! Dizzy wasn't as "drooling out of both corners of his mouth" as your average drummer, but he still works

[@lizkenn1144]

As one of those classic weirdo bass players mentioned by another poster, I agree that Omar's personality, as well as the dynamic with his bandmates, rings true to real life. Its one of very few movies about rock bands that actually gets this right! Seriously, this is so common that the DSM-5 needs to include "Frontman Syndrome" among its listing of Personality Disorders.

[@margaretedwards1366]

LSD- Lead Singer's Disease

[@punkpossum6192]

“Oh you’ve seen Rock n Rule? Who’s your favorite character?” “Mok’s lips.”

[@JargonMadjin]

Does Mok's lips have lips?

[@richardbell7678]

Do not forget his eyebrows. Mok's eyebrows demonstrate a greater emotional range than Kristen Stewart.

[@danstiver9135]

What about "Angel's sideboob"?

[@dakyth8160]

The cow on the uncle Mikey show is my favorite.

[@myusednoiseandkisses]

My favorite is Mark

[@sebastiancintron29]

Man, the main villains design is outrageous. He looks like he was specifically designed to be voiced by Tim Curry.

[@kristopherjones7997]

Tim curry voices mok

[@ZiddersRooFurry]

@@kristopherjones7997 Nope. Mok is voiced by Canadian actor Don Francks.

[@kristopherjones7997]

@@ZiddersRooFurry Well he did Amazing job

[@ChadButt]

Low key he kinda looks like frollo

[@tavern2468]

I immediately thought of tim c. also.

[@jakkaljakobie8774]

My mom has been hunting for and explaining this movie to me since I was a child, and I gave up trying to find it and assumed it was a bizarre fever dream on her part. So glad to see your coverage and to know it actually exists.

[@almishti]

You doubted the wisdom of your mother?!?! No ice cream for you, you go straight to your room! *Grounded4lyf*

[@jakkaljakobie8774]

@@almishti lol, shows me right!

[@mrvespuccia.k.ameganite1747]

Jakkal Jakobie Did u tell ur mom that u found it yet?

[@jakkaljakobie8774]

@@mrvespuccia.k.ameganite1747 sure did!

[@mrs_mothra547]

Oh my gosh that's amazing 😂

[@UnusedOldAccount123]

The most sinful part of the “recut” is when they put silly loud music over the car scene and removed Omar and Angels intimate dialogue. That was one of the few parts of the movie where you see them interact and really see them care for each other. But MGM had to make the scene “haha for kids.” What’s frustrating is that there’s another cut where at the end Omar gets up and rises off his feet to sing with Angel, a clip which is cut in some versions and I think really helps transition his character more.

[@bugjams]

The art style is hella cool, actually. It’s like Disney but grittier.

[@122hsrfe]

Yea I love it. It made me want to watch it

[@franksmith5990]

To each their own. "like Disney but grittier" feel like it defeats the purpose of a "grown up" cartoon. Animal people (in the vein Goofy people ala A Goofy Movie) is a weird way to go if you are trying to separate yourself from the Mouse. Funny enough the 1980s were kind of a crappy time for Disney (their Touchstones movies are much more memorable than their Disney stuff). So why imitate the style? There was probably no way this movie was going to make its money back if even Disney wasn't super successful making cartoon movies at the time.

[@alexbenjaminlubbers]

The art style and animation are gorgeous

[@Sir_Chop]

Its kinda like beavis and butthead but turned down

[@isaacw9357]

Goofy Movie on cocaine

[@powergannon]

Me: "It made 30 million? That doesn't sound like that much of a failure." Saber: "It made 30 thousand" Me: "Oh..."

[@marcellava]

I read it like that too at first, until he said it out loud

[@Usual_User]

I think only I little stupid)

[@radiahmed126]

You're not alone

[@weirdguy1495]

It's like The Fanatic, but if it was good.

[@luisdominguez2048]

Me too

[@snonyabeeswax]

despite adult cartoons existing theres still this mentality oh cartoons are just for kids anime is just for kids it pisses me off so damn much.

[@crystallizationofthesoul7095]

Next thing you know twitter review goes "adult swim is for kids"!

[@Blue-vs6fj]

"anime is just for kids" hmmmm yes aot, demon slayer are def for kids

[@oatmeal3013]

@@Blue-vs6fj aot and demon slayer aren't that adult oriented. there's plenty of better examples.

[@wool578]

damn didn't know anime was considered for kids

[@suzypilled]

Hentai: did see that sh*t right-

[@just-aduck155]

its such a shame some of the full music tracks were also lost in the fire. it almost brings me to tears that i wont ever be able to hear them.

[@austin_the_brimstone]

I have no idea how, but a youtuber by the name of Lucky Kennedy has been uploading the crisp, clear, longer version of the key songs. Stuff I've never heard before. Check it out!

[@JohnnyT002]

@@austin_the_brimstone Thanks for the information. 👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@thepackingpacjack7767]

This movie is like if the people who directed “Heavy Metal” were put together to direct “the goofy movie” (the Disney movie)

[@commenter_HIMIK-MAN]

This.

[@zdoggzero6595]

At least it sounds intriguing

[@thepackingpacjack7767]

Your right!

[@duongnguyenvan6834]

Ha tru

[@bignibba2055]

This comment. Exists

[@astropunch7708]

Can you just imagine if Cardi B got sick of people saying that she and her music is trash so she summons a demon to take on revenge on those people?

[@manoftruth0935]

Astro Punch the demon would drag her to hell instead for her crap music.

[@regirock7313]

David Cappadoccia nah the demon would be to annoyed and disturbed to keep her around

[@iluvsonicxshadow]

Yes.

[@SnacksDeCarGuy]

Yea but then the doom slayer would slap her

[@mmyr8ado.360]

Just Cardi B?

[@chloemaryanne6895]

im a 2D animator and I love hand drawn animation like this! you can see the age in it but you can tell the animators had fun (with mok mostly) but knew what they were doing from an animation perspective

[@gobolightning9648]

When the villain is introduced I swear that’s something David Bowie would do.

[@rayzorduality2396]

How you turn my world you precious thing

[@Spectra651]

This is one of those movies that, before the internet, you'd catch as a kid some late night on TV and for years afterward think it was some sort of insane fever dream.

[@cliftonreid1198]

Word, I recognize the film but don't remember where/when I saw it

[@corableh8662]

That’s how I saw it for the first time and mok was one of the most horrifying things I’d ever seen lmao

[@longlivelinux90]

This happened to me with the song Wonderboy by Tenacious D. Couldn't sleep, flipped on the tv, and that's what was on at 4am. I was like wtf, is that Jack black? In a legitimate music video?

[@joshjames582]

@captaincaveman1 Like Lily Cat?

[@Carnage6X]

If you grew up in Canada in the 80s, they would play this once a year on CBC along with Watership Down as a double bill.

[@sillymiaow]

“his lips should be separated to form a different character” SABER SABER CALM DOWN

[@nytrodioxide]

;^}}}

[@sad-clown-]

My boi Ichimatsu on you're pfp I---

[@POTATOEH81]

Explain please I'm dumb

[@amritamangaroo3544]

bro he lowkey out here thirstin over a character`s lips

[@nytrodioxide]

@@sad-clown- A strong and valid reaction. But a reaction nonetheless.

[@MorganEdgy]

The main issue that led to its downfall was timing. It came out too early. If it was released in the 90s it would have definitely rocked ... And ruled.

[@maximusprime3459]

Maybe

[@VarenvelDarakus]

maybe , but it depends , "studio deliberatly sabotaging movies " can be deliberate to thin out the herd , movie studios dont want many interesting movies , thats harder to manage so sometimes they deliberatly sabotage projects so they can close smaller studios they own to consolidate and relese "next homogenised movie for masses" , you see that a lot in gaming industry too there is also deeper trend that if every movie would be bad(or videogame) viewers would eventually not mind that much , this is easier to notice in gaming that "game publishers normalise bad releses" but this been in movies too , lucky for us market been too big to be controlled like that completely , despite their best efforts. you seen quite few efforts from netflix now who want to normalise bad movies and shows , even racism(recent Cleopatra """"*documentary"""" , changing taste of audience can be done and been done in past when its done slow and graduialy , most best example and most documented is how "horse armor dlc started" who is responsible how overly moentized videogames are , in movies its more subtele with many other plots between if game studio who owns you , wants you gone it will make no diffrance.

[@themythicalbacongamer2340]

"A story set in a post-apocalyptic world with anthropomorphic animal characters about rock and roll" could be used to describe both this and sonic underground. This information is completely useless, but its funny that such a specific sentence could lead you to two wildly different shows

[@GSPAEpro]

“There is no Easter Bunny, there is no Tooth Fairy... and there is no Queen of England!”

[@TotallyNotAFox]

Classic XD

[@caleblewis8169]

Lies

[@kristopherjones7997]

Mega mind reference

[@cadenf4495]

@red panda its a movie!!!

[@Sinful_Ariq]

It's because the queen of England does not die

[@AnimatedTerror]

Mok seems like the kinda character that would have been voiced by Tim Curry.

[@JargonMadjin]

Tim voiced the villain in Brutal Legend, a game with a metal music themed world, although to be fair, have you seen who they got for that game's voice cast? Holy crap, it's something

[@SaiOkami777]

Mok definitely radiates huge Tim Curry Energy

[@user-rm1yc5lt4d]

@@SaiOkami777 What.

[@alexandriaaah.]

he reminds me of the evil piano from beauty and the beast christmas lol

[@SaiOkami777]

@@alexandriaaah. Now I can't unsee it xD

[@paysonterhune290]

I love "My name is Mok" "Angels Song" and of course "Pain and Suffering"...The musical talent in this show is AMAZING!

[@JasonBeam7]

Every time he said Nelvana, I pictured a studio where Kurt Cobain, Krist Novaselic and Dave Grohl were doing animation.

[@geardog24]

"She can sing or she can *SCREAM!* But she still pissed me off." Mok was too good for this movie.

[@TheBrotherGrim]

This has been a favorite animated flick of mine for a while. It has a lot of problems, but I love it, and Mok totally makes the movie.

[@RubberyCat]

No. He was PERFECT.

[@IsaiahAmos017]

The probably bring them back in the ninth movie like Emperor Palpa teen

[@nytrodioxide]

You're right. *I* *was.*

[@RandomPerson-zn4nu]

hi iggy, i see you watch this channel quite frequently

[@spamviking]

Mok is like David Bowie's evil Goof Troop OC fursona.

[@SuperRitz44]

A more perfect description couldnt be said

[@AzumiCoyote]

Especially with his ugly mouth 😂

[@Jmcculloughc1350]

In fact from the setting I was getting Diamond Dog vibes lol

[@isachan834]

Boom roasted

[@TheEMOkid66613]

It’s Mick Jagger

[@YoruchiMMD]

Man this is sad to hear that this experimental piece of art got trashed in such tragic ways. By a fire, and worse by the company do didnt believe that animation was for adults at the time. I hope there’s a way we could find the best version, unedited and upload it to the internet archive

[@lovefromwonderland]

The character designs are really good! Like it doesn’t look uncanny at all. With these anthropomorphic designs it easily could’ve lol. The animation honestly carries this movie like legs carry a chair.

[@sidman7666]

Mok’s back must hurt from carrying this entire movie

[@stars7710]

Underrated comment

[@alnu8355]

He really is the greatest thing since WWIII, his name is Mok, thanks alot!

[@aisha5156]

@@alnu8355 Lol, WWlll?

[@alnu8355]

@@aisha5156 hey don't ask me, ask Lou Reed, it's in the song lyrics about Mok.

[@lazyperfectionist3978]

@@HelloBabygirl17 - bruh, imagine acting as if a fucking pandemic and being responsible people who care for their neighbours, which is one of the main messages of Christianity, is a "war on the people/freedoms" that's not very cash money of you, and I'm not accepting your conditional fucking gift

[@md_vandenberg]

A villain that shows up and immediately offers his guests a beer is a fine bloke by me.

[@parker-boy98]

Anyone want a beer?

[@beaniecakes124]

He tried destroying the entire world because he had 2 open seats at his concert

[@spiwolf6998]

@@beaniecakes124 It could have been during quarantine.

[@Heavy_Meadow]

@@parker-boy98 I'll take one.

[@slider2865]

Ayo can we get this to grow and become popular because this genuinely looks awesome.

[@sunshineyrainbows13]

mood

[@RayrayRazorblade]

In my opinion, Angel actually deserved to get with Dizzy instead of going back to Omar. Dizzy actually genuinely cared about her, he actually strived to save her, he uses his wit and brain to help save the day and make good decisions, and more. Dizzy > Omar. And I will stay by that opinion forever.

[@elizabethweigle6146]

I’m a sucker for hand-drawn animation, especially when it’s really smooth and all the characters have unique designs. Even if this movie wasn’t the “best”, I still enjoyed how hard the animators worked to make this movie look good for its time.

[@AxxLAfriku]

Do you want to date me? Then I have to shatter your dreams: I am in a relationship with two hot women! They are also loyal subscribers of me, YT Megastar AxxL! Please don't cry, dear ellie

[@IsaiahAmos017]

I like hand-drawn stuff to I even watched Green eggs and ham on Netflix

[@alternateA]

I felt SO HORRIBLE when the kind hearted lackey sacrificed himself, my man was just listening to Uncle Mickey to be good. On the other side, I felt SO GOOD when his brother tossed Mok into the portal *chef's kiss*

[@mrsuccorso]

Not sure I'd call Zip kind-hearted, just simple minded and easily led by the nose. Toad's revenge on Mok was pretty sweet.

[@alternateA]

​@@mrsuccorso Zip didn't sacrifice himself for this disrespect!

[@mrsuccorso]

@@alternateA Okay. For the record, I actually liked Zip and the other Roller Brothers.

[@LRKarts33]

Zip is the greatest

[@meowchie310]

There's a cut where he's revealed to be alive, if that makes you feel any better.

[@allisonbilbey7428]

So glad I got introduced to this movie. I ended up watching the whole thing right after this and just, yes the movie has it's flaws for sure, but idc. I love it. This is definitely a guilty pleasure movie for me now mostly because the animation and soundtrack kick ass. And plus idk I just get sick of seeing the same shit over and over again so it's really refreshing to just see something weird but wonderful like this.

[@crystalauthor7194]

Just found out today my professor was the head of the effects department for this movie! I wouldn't have even known the movie existed if it weren't for this video. He actually animated the plasma and the glowing effect when Mok first shows up and it's amazing!

[@__-xp4rk]

I legitimately could not stop staring at the amount of money they lost for like 4 minutes

[@thatguybrody4819]

Nelvana: we put so much effort and good talent into this and have a good producer to get it out. this will be great once we finish. MGM: well yes, but actually no.

[@kuramayoko23]

Oh good I wasn't the only one

[@gameroxi]

It looks like a typo, like they missed a zero or two

[@madcat789]

Look at the movie "Cuck". They made nothing. 0$.

[@charge2025]

@@thatguybrody4819 "MGM"

[@leafyisqueer7155]

Why does this movie taste like David Bowie

[@haoqw]

*slurp* you right

[@obi-wankeknobi8413]

If he had a hand fetish and an explosive cat ?

[@bloodd7566]

At least Bowie wasn’t shit lmao

[@HEWHOTAWNS]

@@obi-wankeknobi8413 haha funny jojo

[@lordofshades9852]

@@bloodd7566 what sparked that remark?

[@ARCtheCartoonMaster]

20:33 Technically speaking, we humans live in a post-apocalyptic world, since… well, we all know what happened to the non-avian dinosaurs. And on top of that, the dinosaurs themselves lived in a post-apocalyptic world, since they came about because of the great Permian extinction just a couple tens of millions of years prior.

[@richardryley3660]

This is one of my favorite movies of all time, and I'm so glad you reviewed it. I agree that Mok carries this film, but I have a soft spot for Angel too. She is clearly a very empathetic, non confrontational character, but she has an independent edge to her. That's why Cindy is such an effective contrast to her. And at the end her character development is that she has the courage to stand up to Mok's demon and "sing it back" even though she should be running in terror. In fact, that's what first drew me to the movie. There was a commercial on Night Tracks one night that showed the scene of her pulling off her choker and throwing it aside. She looked so determined that I wanted to see the show just for that one scene. (I also thought it was a weapon, like Xena's chakram, but thowing aside the device that had forced her to sing was fine too) I'm sorry you ended up so confused about MGM's edits as well. Personally, I can't picture anyone but Paul Le Mat in the role, and if the scene you showed was typical of the original performance, he was even a bigger ass than Paul's Omar. I felt that there was a tone in his voice that showed he wanted to go after Angel, but he was so caught up in the "heartless rocker who doesn't care about anything but fame" role that he felt he had to pretend to be angry and dismissive about her. He's still an ass at the end, but he decides he loves Angel enough to try and consider her feelings from now on. (Symbolically represented by joining in the song with her) What I'm not sure is if MGM cut the drugs scene at the club, but if they did they put it back, because it's on the DVD. I agree with you that they were right to cut the scene of Zip's revival, because that ruined the whole ending. Angel and Omar might have done away with the demon, but in the end Mok caused his own death, by acting so callous to Zip. Finally, I'll point out that Angel and Omar's hometown is called "Ohmtown". That's a great pun, and foreshadowing of the town's role in the climax.

[@lunacron]

Fun fact: Nelvana also produced the Beetlejuice cartoon series.

[@doggiemaina11]

That explains a lot

[@mr_selfdestruct]

A severely underrated cartoon and one of my favourites! I wish they'd release that on dvd for European fans one day..

[@JeffreyPiatt]

And dubbed Cardcaptor Sakura in to Cardcaptors.

[@Youser999]

Didn't they do Eek! The Cat too. Does anyone else remember that show? It was pretty awesome and sort of reminded me a,little of Courage the Cowardly Dog...

[@rommix0]

and The Magic School Bus

[@kimifw58]

Did you miss the part where Angel tried to seduce Mok into giving up on his world domination plan, effectively sacrificing herself to save the world? You know, the scene you made a GIF of? Doesn't seem very basic to me.

[@leanicole2853]

Everyone is allowed their opinions!

[@fuzzybuzzy3159]

Right? She fought back and tried to escape multiple times. She honestly should have been the main character.

[@nytrodioxide]

The REAL truth behind that scene is that if she truly knew me like she claimed she did, she wouldn't be such a self centered bitch. I know what I'm about and she disrespects my very name. She thinks she's so hot.

[@MiloKuroshiro]

A woman giving their life and trading her life and sex as a sacrifice for the main character? Wow, revolutionary and empowering. She's just the "Straigh Man". By herself she's just "plain and nice".

[@fuzzybuzzy3159]

@@MiloKuroshiro Not for the main character, but for the *world*. She was trying to *convince a madman to not kill everybody*. To give yourself up, be it life or autonomy, to save the planet from total destruction is noble and courageous. Just because it was sexual in nature doesn't make it any less daring. Also, it's a rock and roll movie from the early 80s. Ya really think it's gonna be the most progressive thing ever?

[@Amershaf]

This is interesting. I saw this as a kid in an AMC theater in Clearwater Florida. It stuck with me as awesome. I do remember that the theater was empty and my dad complained a lot, but I loved it. I also saw it on HBO when it was new and was super happy to see it again. I have a copy now on DVD, and it is exactly as awesome as I remember.

[@researcherchameleon4602]

20:09 “There is no Santa, there is no Tooth-Fairy, and there is no Queen of England” please tell me someone else thought that too

[@captainobvious6779]

Right when the antagonist said, “Nothing can stop me”, I got an ad. Irony.

[@haoqw]

QWWERTY77 UIOOP why

[@fluttershaman8218]

6:20 Cultists ruined this movie and then killed themselves the next decade.

[@totoisayal5045]

same

[@rabbit0664]

Same

[@thefxndomdork3703]

Bruh the same thing just happen to me!! XD

[@plushcrochet8719]

The irony of all this is that The Care Bears Movie saved Nelvana despite no one wanted a movie adaptation of it.

[@xw591]

So that's why this animation was creepily familiar 😳

[@Whatingodsname]

bruh I remember watching that it had this unsettling vibe to it when I first watched it

[@LaLaLaLaNom]

Right, because those movies were gold! Especially the second one!

[@rabbit0664]

That's true

[@hessierlord5033]

I remember seeing this for the first time on a cable service in the 80s, I think it might have been HBO. I was in my mid teens, and I thought it was the coolest thing ever. It's great to see people talking about it.

[@thbf5733]

Nelvana did this? As in the same Nelvana that brought us “Little Bear” and “Franklin and Friends” ? 😂

[@nachoalvarez7171]

Yes

[@nachoalvarez7171]

But they were clearly screwed

[@bigol9223]

They kinda laced the game in the 90s

[@thomasmurrell9832]

"...and commissioned them to do the animated segment of the Star Wars Holiday Special" Oh god...ohhhhhhhhhhh god...

[@petergray2712]

For what it's worth, THAT was the best part of that two hour long turd parade.

[@paperedwillows]

No... NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[@gracekim25]

Awkward Aidan um calm down 😅

[@sheevpalpatine7379]

I mean, Boba Fett is so cool and badass in those eight minutes that he single handedly makes the whole Special better

[@kuramayoko23]

Awkward Aidan dang nab it I was going to do that

[@leeroyjenkem3471]

Animation media: exists Out of touch corporate: "duUuuUuuRRrrr iS tHiS f0r cHiLdReN??"

[@tannerprice2018]

The FTC in a nutshell.

[@astralprophecy2419]

It hurts it's so true.

[@viscountrainbows6452]

The disturbing implication is that only kids draw, or appreciate art. It sets a dangerous precedent when everything aesthetic is deemed "childish" by default but that's just me🤷🏿‍♀️

[@gwanael34]

The problem is that most people in america assume anything animated is for kids. So these studios arent that wrong to think people are idiots, because they are. Its slowly getting better due to the influence of adult anime (non hentai) but its still taboo to even propose animations for adults unless you are Netflix.

[@alucozadebottle4423]

Flipping the cars That's what ftc means with me and my mates (we arent american)

[@moseptyagami606]

“And it’s original copy got lost in a fire” Next clip shows the prince of the fire nation, zuko Me: damn did you have to do it like that tho

[@blinky6254]

4:59 I love how in sync this is

[@TheChrisRolla]

The most shocking part of this video is that Saber hasn’t seen Heavy Metal

[@IsaiahAmos017]

I know right i’ve watched heavy-metal on DVD and digital I actually thought it was main stream

[@madmanvarietyshow9605]

RIGHT???

[@angrytheclown801]

Wait till he gets to the WW2 bomber filled with animated skeletons and zombies.

[@madmanvarietyshow9605]

@@angrytheclown801 TAKE A RIDE RIDE RIDE RIDE ON HEEEEAVY MEEEETAAAAALLLL

[@ransax]

Shocking. I loved both that and this film growing up.

[@mr.anxiety7567]

"Anyone want a beer?" I aspire to have an entrance as graceful as this guy.

[@Deadbass_]

Welcome Home he is my spirit guardian

[@alexhart9267]

I did some number crunching. 8 million subtract 30,379=$7,969,621 DOLLARS STRAIGHT DOWN THE DRAIN!!!!!!!

[@KingRitoru364]

I can't believe I just now found this video and now I can't find the full Rock & Rule movie anywhere on KZbin

[@Red_Nurse1999]

It’s free on Internet Archive! :)

[@ZoeMourning]

I need a remake of this with a redeveloped plot, and Tim Curry voicing Mok.

[@dakyth8160]

One of the saddest thing of this movie is they never released the movie soundtrack.

[@ThisCatIsBored]

Unfortunately, it was lost when the storage facility it was being stored in burned down

[@UnicronsLeftNut]

You can find most of the songs on YT thankfully. I have nearly the whole soundtrack minus a couple tracks thanks to people uploading them over the years.

[@NinaMouse11]

I wish we lived in the universe where this movie was a smash success, and we could keep bizarre, unique, and beautifully 2d animated movies for all audiences....but alas.

[@EyeBeZombie]

Can thank fucking pixar for killing traditional animation 🖕

[@winniethepooh8353]

Imagine😞, this animation HAS to make a comeback it just has to, I love angels character and moks of course, like angel legit looks like her name would be angel

[@winniethepooh8353]

@ボイス bahaha

[@winniethepooh8353]

@Evilpimp wtf? Um, YOU'RE ON A VIDEO TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT AN APOCOLYPTIC 2D ANIMATED MOVIE CALLED 'ROCK & RULE'. THIS AIN'T NO BIBLE STUDY PRAYING FOR WORLD PEACE.

[@wildfirefox1]

From what I recall, Heavy Metal was decently successful and absolutely amazing lol

[@jnerdsblog]

@1:55 "Disney wasn't putting out some of its best work..." (Screenshot shows Robin Hood and Winnie the Pooh) YOU TAKE THAT BACK SIR.

[@renatovelarde422]

I watched a vhs of this growing up about 10,000 times. Its sad but reasonable that we’ll never see animation like this again. This final era of great (hand illustrated, movie) animation included movies like this, Akira, roger rabbit, the hobbit and some others. It’s telling that most of these struggled with budget and schedule even then; so their time is beyond passed now. No one would spend or wait long enough to do anything like this now.

[@MaxOakland]

A billionaire could fund one of these and it would feel like pocket change to them

[@renatovelarde422]

"a billionaire" could do whatever stupid thing they want with their money, what does that have to do with anything? they could build a tower of poop 20 stories high and then cast it in gold but why would they do that? If you're a billionaire then do it and show us how much billionaires love losing money. Actual hand drawn cel animation in today's world is not even an "investment" at all it would be so stupid financially now, and "a billionaire" in the real world gets there by being pretty focused on making money on things they invest in. I am an animation nerd like most of us watching this video, we'd all love to do that! but animation nerds are not billionaires.

[@MaxOakland]

@@renatovelarde422 You sound stupid

[@SoftBoiledArt]

There's plenty of good animation being done by any possible metric, and of the ones you mention specially better than The Hobbit or this, you either don't care or are ignorant.

[@renatovelarde422]

@@SoftBoiledArt oh, heh. You're right for sure, and I'm definitely ignorant of a lot of the great new stuff people are making. I should have said "great hand drawn animation in feature length movies" which is a pretty huge qualifier. I really just meant only that literally: cell animation drawn by hand and fully hand painted backgrounds in a feature length movie. I was being very literal - like technically it would be almost impossible to use those methods now for a big project, you'd have to ignore so many decades of filmmaking tools, computers, etc. I love tons of new animated movies but there's still a cool feeling to the classics that were drawn by hand.

[@ReTrOtAkU]

Fun fact: the song that plays during the club scene, "Dance dance dance" by Earth Wind & Fire, for a very long time was extremely rare, being the only song in the group's discography to not get a reprint outside of the movie's soundtrack despite the fact that even back then it was described as one of the highlights of the movie. Thankfully these days it's available digitally and on streaming services, because it's an awesome track that deserves to be heard, even if one don't care for the movie it was made for.

[@littleredrabbit9908]

And isnt only half of the song "Hotdogs and Sushi" (song playing in club scene when Cindy gets caught) available? That's what I've heard at least

[@whatdowedomeow6373]

It's one of my favorite songs from the movie

[@ZiddersRooFurry]

@@littleredrabbit9908 orangecow.org/board/viewtopic.php?p=6437#p6437 The recorded version is a bit longer.

[@usedtiddyjuice]

ReTrOtAkU it’s my favorite songggg

[@Laughingcoyote1213]

Omg thats crazy. All these hidden gems waiting to be discovered.

[@misterzygarde6431]

Imagine a timeline where this was a box office success.

[@TheAkwarium]

there'd be a lot more weird fetish art of this movie

[@nytrodioxide]

I can see it.

[@nytrodioxide]

@@TheAkwarium It's already here 😈

[@JohnDoe-wq5eu]

@@nytrodioxide Yep as everyone knows the minute video like this the fan arts go nuts.

[@abbyesw0rld]

Nelvana actually worked on a TON of early 2000-2010 kids shows! Bubble Guppies, Team Umizoomi, and more!

[@furrowingowl5906]

I had a dim and deeply buried memory of being dragged to this movie for a friends 8th birthday party randomly knocked loose from the recesses of my brain. Thank you for providing me with the context that I've been sorely lacking for the better part of 40 years.

[@IDontWantThisStupidHandle]

As a professional back-up vocalist and keyboardist in a band, I have to say: every band (and every audience) NEEDS (and WANTS) a headliningg diva/divo. Audiences love the attitude and stage presence that comes along with thinking (and often "knowing" you're all that), and helps the band stand out from the rest of the crowd. Talent and musicality are wonderful, and tke years of hard work to develope, but for live performances, they usually mean nothing without stage-presence. Just thought I'd throw that in there.

[@pringlesman3349]

@@karinations2009 I'm sure it can.

[@IDontWantThisStupidHandle]

@Emerin agreed, though that's rarely the case, it seems.

[@pringlesman3349]

@@karinations2009 I mean, they can teach you the things you need to do to make a presence, but I guess they can't change your personality.

[@cassandralyris4918]

Very true, kind of like how wrestling needs heels. It just sort of works, as long as they're not that bad off stage...

[@IDontWantThisStupidHandle]

@Luis Martinez Okay, so there are three examples of exceptions, that doesn't mean the rule doesn,t generally apply to most cases (there are hundreds of thousands of bands in the world).

[@Rivercoon]

Their home town is actually called Ohm Town. After praising the music you forgot to mention the soundtrack album was never released because some of master tapes where destroyed in the same fire as the film.

[@TheCheshireMadcat]

Thank you, I came here to post this. (And a few other things.)

[@astrowolvez]

Damn dude

[@TheKitchenNinja]

The individual songs are out there. You need to do some hunting, but they can all be found as mp3's

[@crimped357]

I discovered this movie by buying a comic book version of the film back in the 80's! I NEVER got to watch the movie. i finally got to watch it, it did not disappoint! I loved it!

[@shirophoenix01]

I remember I picked this movie up in Blockbuster circa 1993 when I had exhausted my anime choices in my local store. I loved the artistic musical choices and that's what attracted me to rent it. It became my favorite animation really quick! I love this movie, Angel's song makes me have goosebumps every single time. i love the animation, the craziness and chaos when Mok summons the demon, the simplicity of the character motivations and the passion in those motivations. I don't know why it resonated with me as a teen and I still love watching!

[@roomsickgirlsescape]

“Rock and rule is an adult animated film” *Rated PG on Amazon Prime*

[@JessieJamesTan]

0_0

[@triciawhite8706]

It was PG before PG-13 was a thing.

[@hdofu]

an 80s pg you know... like Wizards.

[@deathybrs]

PG was 80's for R.

[@parker-boy98]

Excuse me?

[@typoking]

a couple of things you missed: The animation team was divided into sets of people who were tasked with sharing a style format, each character had their own team of animators, utilizing a different style for each set of characters, giving them each their own distinct flair and flavor visually. Dizzy and Stretch got one team, the Roller-Skating Sclepper Brothers got another team, Mok got a team, Omar got a team, Angel got a team, and throughout, there were different teams working on some of the other background characters. The background characters in the Anti-gravity club was done by yet another team of animators, and yet, it all fit together so perfectly and bizarrely, which, in a way, almost mirrors how Heavy Metal was done utilizing different artists for it's entire run. Then there are the wide sweeping overhead/godview scenes of the city of Ohmtown. That was an actual model that sat on 2 pingpong tables, with little tiny vehicles being moved along through slots underneath the table. To say they went above and beyond the call of duty is an understatement. The only reason I know this stuff is because a friend and I did a review of it, ourselves, about 3-4 years ago and it involved a lot of research.

[@JustCallMeHeavy]

I know the animation on Cinderella was done by like one person.

[@Claymann71]

Cool comments like this are the best part of Saber's channel. Thanks m8. Cool story.

[@immersional]

The character's body languages and expressions really stood out to me, it makes so much sense that they all had different teams! You can see how much love went into them, and the different things that each group excelled at.

[@typoking]

@Oggatha Christie Can you name a movie in recent years that has done this? Meaning, each team has their own style, and aren't trying to outright mirror each other's style? Because that's what was done with this film. Each team got a set of characters, and used a different stylization for each set of characters to set them apart from one another, yet it flowed together well enough that you can't really tell unless you look closely that each style was different.

[@robwalsh9843]

At least a good villain can carry a movie with mediocre protagonists. Mok was superb and very well voiced by the late Don Francks, managing to be both suave and slimy. He was a good combination of Mick Jagger and Thin White Duke-era David Bowie, and his increasing villainy finalized with a mad scientist look straight out of classic pulp sci fi was really well done.

[@Jessica-zq9sy]

the death of the villian of this movie and the villian of the princess and the frog are EXTREMELY similar, rock and rule: he gets killed by his sidekick, the princess and the frog: gets killed by his ghoul friends. also they both go into these weird portal looking things

[@bigol9223]

And star wars lol

[@NellyHartnell]

"Anyone want a beer?". God, I can see the VA channeling his inner Bowie.

[@echowood1732]

Im so glad that im not the old person who saw him and automatically thought of Bowie!

[@echowood1732]

Hes like a Bowie/Mercury mix to me more than Jagger

[@weepingsheeps]

Echo Wood Jagger’s mouth for sure maybe but defineitely Bowie’s personality lmaoo

[@deathybrs]

According to the things I've learned over the years of loving this film, he was literally intended to be an obvious blend of Bowie and Jagger.

[@HlootooThunderhammer]

That's not Bowie?!

[@isaacmiller448]

The animation is so gorgeous in this movie. The 70s-80s had some of the best character expressions ever in animation. It was incredibly unique.

[@allisonfisher9304]

I have been watching all your videos lately, and this one by far has changed my life. I went and watched Rock & Rule about 10 times, and I’m in love with it. What a piece of history, a treasure trove of 80’s pop rock culture....phenomenal, and Mok is my new bf

[@punktasy]

This was one of my favourite movies and still high key is, thank you for this review and a bit of history that I wasn't aware of.

[@ericasutton3147]

Ya know, it's movies like THIS that should get a reboot and NOT another classic Disney movie

[@ericasutton3147]

Your Fickled Woman agreed

[@snotty5830]

I bet this movie smells like metal, like an old vintage cabinet

[@stars7710]

Good lord that is the best smell

[@calliethepummeler5020]

And the movie itself tastes like it too I love the taste of metal

[@dutchvanderlinde7239]

What did I just read.

[@dutchvanderlinde7239]

@@snotty5830 why are you taking offense to that I am just honesty confused about the wonders of smelling an old cabinet.

[@dutchvanderlinde7239]

@@snotty5830 I am just confused about the wonders of cabinet sniffing.

[@user-jv4oe4lx5e]

Ty 4 sharing they did a great job on the animation and all of it. Better yet I'm very proud of them

[@TravisJohnsonncc1701]

You missed a few things: - Mok is supposed to be a Mock Jagger pastiche. - The original town is Ohmtown. Ohm, like the unit of power. "Home"town.

[@theshiro1238]

Can we all agree that Mok is basically the son of David Bowie and Tim Curry?

[@theiran]

With mick Jagger's lips

[@thenewadventuresofhenry6998]

With some Mcjagger thrown in.

[@bartg6937]

And a dash of Jafar.

[@serafimasoukka7149]

They give off STRONG Frollo vibes idk why

[@ihavenoname9963]

There's some Marilyn Manson in there too!

[@jstyxx4110]

I’d like to point out that an episode of Total Drama Action is also called “Rock n’ Rule”. Considering they’re both made by Nelvana, I now know the reference. Edit: I shouldve been more clear, but one of the founders of Fresh TV (Makers of TD) their father works at Nelvana. Sorry!

[@Ryeven]

Wait ---are you sure that its also made by Nelvana??

[@IdeaBox-dk5vj]

@@Ryeven No. That's actually made by Fresh TV, another Canadian animation studio. However, the first show by Fresh TV, 6teen, was a co-production with Nelvana. And seeing as though, for some reason, both franchises are in the same universe as of the creation of Total Dramarama, I can excuse the confusion on your behalf.

[@Ryeven]

@@IdeaBox-dk5vj Had a feeling that it was just 6teen, I knew that FreshTV were involved in both shows but I was iffy about Nelvana as OP said ^^

[@IsaiahAmos017]

coincidence I think not

[@raeosunshine24]

that’s amazing!! that used to be my favourite show, i can’t believe i didn’t notice that!

[@slrdarien]

I remember when i found this at a random video store playing on the preview tv. The guy working there that day was a fan. I fell in love with that movie and its been one of my favorites ever since.

[@mustbetheSUN]

I had never heard of this movie and only had your thumbnail as a reference, and still just by seeing the thumbnail I couldn't understand how it did so bad. The design looks unique and cool, nothing like Delgo.

[@ThatOneLeek]

So: in conclusion... *MGM is the literal devil.*

[@offlinemedia1784]

Yep. I’m never trusting movie companies ever again. Time for a one-man strike

[@ProtoPropski]

Nothing new

[@jasminelav.332]

It's ironic that both "Rock & Rule" and "Daniel Mouse" are classic morality tales about the little guy getting taken advantage of and screwed by a toxic, egotistical industry.....only for Nelvana themselves (a small startup) to get regally screwed by an ego-fueled megastudio. No wonder they've stuck with TV ever since.

[@liamdahlgren5144]

Capitalism in general is the devil.

[@liamdahlgren5144]

@Roger Dodger eh. I think we should try something else. Like socialism.

[@sleepy_clover7361]

30:50 Yoooo Mok with that haircut is actually quite the look 👏

[@emilyglass5313]

I didn't even know about this movie until this review and then found it here on KZbin. It is awesome! I was especially excited when I saw that some of the best rockers from the 80s actually sang in this! They had Robin Zander from Cheap Trick, Debbie Harry from Blondie, Lou Reed, and Iggy Pop! Thanks Mom and Dad for growing up in the 80s and loving music enough to be music educators so I can get exposed to this great music!

[@AdventureHusky]

The animation is stellar, let me tell you, especially back then. The characters were much more fluid and dynamic and I just miss the more diverse and creative style animation used to have. I wish movies were still animated this way (Probably cuz I have bias towards old 90's cartoons) I miss the quality and old school feel of the gritty Disney animation style, its so unique and dated and I miss it so much.

[@Purplesquigglystripe]

Fay Rosa it looks much better than something that is simply rotoscoped. The characters interact with themselves and the environment realistically and the timing of the movements is dynamic

[@kittenbursworthy9613]

A lot of characters are designed with toy sales in mind today. Look at MLP, the differences are in the details of the face, markings, and colors rather than the overall shape. This way, characters are recognizable on the screen and the packaging, but the factory only has to make one uniform model that is later only altered on the surface.

[@JohnCelestri]

I, for one, did not use any rotoscope or reference for my animation in R&R.

[@carltheincels6641]

Your not alone or wrong at all. Modern animation is ULTRA Uncanny Valley CGI and most of the film time is music or Musicals... Not because for the spirit of Music but because immoral Corporate charts found that music in animation makes the film stuck in your head and make it more better for Advertisement. So scary CGI characters singing annoying but catchy songs for the sake of corporate charts.

[@birdtiredoflife5360]

While I personally still do like the CGI animated modern films and the charm they bring...I wish we still got big blockbuster 2d animated films. But then again...when companies still made them not enough people saw them...but now they're gone and people want them back even though they didnt support them when they were around. Nobody supported early 2000's 2d films enough resulting in them basically dying 2010 onward, at least from major companies. Foreign studios still make them but dont get enough support. 2d animation and 3d animation both have their charm, I have a 90's bias myself but Ive found that bias going away recently. I mean I love traditional 2d animation but when films like Coco, Shrek, How to Train your Dragon, The Incredibles and Ratatouille exist...I cant have a 2d bias anymore. All forms of animation have their beauty Its just the passing of time, black and white films died in favour of coloured films. Things just change and while we dont like them at the start, we find something we like eventually.

[@kikii11911]

This movie gives me nostalgia for memories that never happened

[@nimnimbuns]

Ikr it reminds me of how I would always watch inspector gadget on my free time as a kid

[@keynanmartinez]

So True.

[@IsaiahAmos017]

for nostalgic memories I prefer multiple choice

[@ashtonvickers928]

Hauntology

[@nytrodioxide]

Me too... Until I transcended. It deserves to happen, but not for the way it was... They tried their best.

[@joseirizarry2799]

Mok is the Grinch and Mick Jagger combined

[@torbk]

I never knew it did so poorly in the box office. This was, actually is, one of my favorite animated movies ever.

[@epipsychidionozymandias5021]

This movie is so tragically underrated. Sure it's weird, but in a pleasant way. There was even a reference to it in Metalocalypse, I think (the psychedelic butterfly scene)

[@MeBeCreepy]

The more I look at it, the more I wanna watch it

[@Stabilization]

DirectorG Just do it! Like Saber said, it’s on KZbin, and it’s only an hour and 18 minutes long!

[@Marinnnara]

When is it referenced in Metalocalypse?

[@epipsychidionozymandias5021]

@@Marinnnara I remember an episode, I think in season 2, where Skwisgaar was jealous because he thought Toki was getting better than him at playing and he dreams of holding a butterfly with Toki's face. The atmosphere and angles were pretty much identical.

[@Marinnnara]

Epipsychidion Ozymandias Shit lol I’m trying to find it I want to watch it so bad now

[@wolfmobile3693]

The worst thing about Rock & Rule is that no sound track was ever released. (As far as I know)

[@UnicronsLeftNut]

You can find most of the songs on KZbin.

[@jakerelind5577]

I heard it was because the master copies of those tracks were burned in the same fire that destroyed the original copy of the movie.

[@djgforce11]

It was on vinyl around the time it was released a buddy of mine has a copy & its pretty rare being that not many copies were pressed...not sure if its ever been reissued.

[@elric8885]

Really want a complete copy of the " Hot Dogs & Sushi" tune.

[@thewanderingmistnull2451]

@@djgforce11 I'd assume it can't be reissued due to the whole "masters destroyed in a fire" thing.

[@LKMEW]

Omg! I actually saw this one a few years ago! So cool to see you make a review!

[@JaynaeMarieXIV]

I want to see this film! Every time I see Mok, I see a mix of Mick Jagger and Steve Tyler. I, too, like this kind of animation. It is far more expressive than today's 3-D virtual animation (and some humans).