Saddest Moment In Warhammer | Warhammer 40K Lore

[@matiasyannuzzi9655]

I was very sad after this scene. Sad that Abaddon was allowed to survive.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

DGHGFDFFDS LMAO

[@nuke7777]

@@livefromtheblacklibrarynice tits😏

[@sbeaber]

Same

[@thomasvillani5616]

R.I.P. Cadia 😩

[@minuette1752]

@@thomasvillani5616 Cadia deserved its fate.

[@InquisitorThomas]

Counterpoint: This is actually the funniest scene because it’s happening to Abaddon.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

Ok that’s fair

[@sambasedsamurai9338]

Lmao, why would you simultaneously ruin it for me and make it absolutely hilarious?

[@neoluna1172]

yeah im sorry but abbadon its just too much of a looser for me to care about this as much as I should. Id care more if abbadon like, was actuualy somewhat competent in the 40k timerperiod.

[@samiamtheman7379]

@@neoluna1172 I'd need to read more 40k content because Idk exactly what makes people despise him. Yes, he loses a lot, but that's because he's the bad guy. People love Skeletor and Megatron despite them losing a lot.

[@zachsilby4569]

​@samiamtheman7379 My guy essentially held an L for ten thousand years against mere men and women with indigo eyes. Only essentially flipping the table in the mortals after losing once again, to claim a cheap victory. Yet he claims something about his honor.

[@BIGESTblade]

Abbadon actually gets one more. I think that one's even better. During the first black crusade, when all of the loyalist hours heresy characters die or disappear, Abbadon got boarded by the first Chapter Master of Black Templars - Sigismund. Sigismund after all this time and rejection from Dorn was so far gone that he literally didn't care if he lived or died and Abbadon was almost crying from seeing him like that. Sigismund was one of the few people that Abbadon actually liked and respected and now he had to kill him because that's how fate decided. Abbadon even offered to spare him but Sigismund essentially threw away his life just so that he could strike Abbadon and actually hurt him. Abbadon was kneling over him like an apothecary almost crying. He later gave his body back to the Imperium so that he could get the hero's burial.

[@wernerfuhry]

I honestly wish we could get so much more of this from Abby

[@ghosthippie8465]

... Didn't... Didn't he strap the bisected corpse of Sigismund to a ship and have it careening straight into a city for everyone to see?

[@BIGESTblade]

@@ghosthippie8465 Well, Abbadon does fight with a lightning claw. It's kinda hard to not bisect someone with that. Also no, he sent him back to Terra on a captured Black Templar frigate with a message that Long War is starting.

[@ghosthippie8465]

@BIGESTblade pretty sure those things are still powerful and sharp enough to rip/split people in two, also I specifically remember him strapping sigismund at the very front of the ship and having the ship fly straight towards Terra, without landing, thus the whole crash landing part.

[@BIGESTblade]

@@ghosthippie8465 Well, I doubt anyone would get to read his letter then.

[@oldeskul]

I think one of the saddest points in the 40k timeline is the final duel between Abaddon and Sigismund. Sigismund wasn't brought low by skill, but by age. After the kill stroke is landed, he takes time to mock Abaddon, saying that when his time comes, Abby's going to go out like Horus did, broken and weeping. At the end of the duel, Abaddon isn't filled with any sense of accomplishment or pride at striking down one of the greatest duelists the Imperium had, he didn't feel anger or sorrow, he felt hollow, and I like to think some part of him knew that he'd never feel any real sense of accomplishment or disappointment anymore, and that was something chaos has taken from him. That's why I feel the Black Crusades have had such unsatisfying resolutions, even petering out. Abaddon can't get that feeling one way or another, so he winds up abandoning it and leaving the forces of chaos to simply run themselves ragged.

[@wernerfuhry]

Tbh interesting point

[@Xenozoology]

@@wernerfuhry Yes, when you think about it, we like, talk about these guys being still, like normal humans. But chaos can be really strange, these are characters that have seen greatness rise and fall and have been created for galactic conquest, Chaos space marines, even if they have been in the warp for a second in real space, they may have experienced an eternity. Abadon surely must have witnessed things that not even a Primarch could know have existed, He is motivated, thinks and feels or doesn't feel things, very differently than anyone else is gonna. as the warmaster of chaos... Killing his own friends, playing part in the betrayal, seeing Horus fail and the entire heresy. Even for us fans, warhammer is way to big to really think about it all. Black Crusades fail and are bad lore? Or did it really happen that way? Did Tzeentch also, not have an influence on the outcome of these? So much potential. Freaking love Abby... xD

[@wernerfuhry]

@@Xenozoology you bring up some interesting points mate. A very good skilled writer could definitely make some interesting stories about that, but I think that's another problem with W40K. Some writers are good and made some epic stories, while others... uff... Like the overpowered Ultramarine time or the first codex of Grey Knights, and Kaildor Drago. Which, as a GK player hurts but I understand the problem. I personally like the more nuanced approach and not to found of to much grim dark, because it can easily turn into grim derp. As you said with the Black Crusades, a good example of, lets just say sub-optimal storytelling.

[@ishitrealbad3039]

that just means that you don't understand what the thirteenth crusades were all about

[@arizonaicesuntea9922]

Honestly, man, what happened to Uzas made me die inside. To be killed for a crime you didn't commit and have one of your best friends call you a fool as you die is just so tear jerking.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

Ok that's fair, because it's injustice

[@unclecorny349]

But to be fair, it's arguable if any of first claw was really friends.

[@TabukiJones]

Those batyboys have some damn good stories. Best in 40k bar none.

[@paimonisfood4986]

​@@unclecorny349Yeah they're like comrades but they tolerated Uzas falling to Khorne up until Talos saw him try and strike down that other dude

[@liamorourke7937]

I’ve gotta say abbadon is written really well in the siege of terra the scene where the traitor primarchs are bickering like children and he calls them out for it is a good scene

[@drgonzo305]

The real saddest part is the sons of Horus and the tech adept who get sealed in their tunneler machines by tech Adept Lands quickcrete. The conversation between the lead son of Horus and the Tech Adept realizing that they are stuck for at least 100’s of years before the air runs out 😂

[@randomcenturion7264]

I'd have just put a bolt round in my brain. That is Hell.

[@rajukoley9249]

Thats Absolutely Horrifying.

[@randomcenturion7264]

@@rajukoley9249 Indeed. But absolutely deserved.

[@bluemilk4meify]

Agreed, this scene stuck with me

[@tashfinhaque6704]

Sauce?? ​@@bluemilk4meify

[@chaosisbaeos]

It's so refreshing to have a new take on Abaddon besides the mass produced failbaddon opinions. I really enjoyed this video!

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

He's not failbaddon, he's doinghisbestbaddon

[@steveo9284]

I see it as he's loosing a brotherhood as well. All those other terminators of his team where killed and he has to live with the knowledge he got away. Survivors guilt and trauma of fighting for eons. This was what he believed to be the end, yet he got away.

[@arstotzka9088]

For me, its the fall of Corax and his speech to the unconscious Russ really is a knife to the heart. [Book Excerpt|Weregeld] Corax speaks to an unconscious Leman Russ The Wolf Lords left, to hold conference on the defence of their last bastion on Yarant. Bjorn and other guards stood just outside the chamber, reluctantly allowing the master of the Raven Guard some privacy with his stricken brother. Corax glanced towards the door, assuring himself that he would be not overheard. Like his ability to pass unseen, he could mask his words from notice or recollection. Thinking about these... *traits*... made him even more uncomfortable. "It was a mistake", he whispered, still kneeling with the Wolf King cradled close to his chest. "We were a mistake, brother, I know that now. I see it for myself, in my own blundering. I see it in the eyes of the mistakes I created, just as surely as the Emperor sees it in ours. There is no sense of guilt, only good intentions gone bad." "But this was not meant to be. *We* were not meant to be. The universe is correcting itself. Expunging the infection. How could I have been blind to it for so long? Pride? Arrogance, perhaps? To think we were better, stronger, special. Horus is only following his true nature. Have we simply been denying ours?" Memories crowded into his thoughts, jostling for attention, each of them carrying a message so obvious in hindsight. He let out a long, rattling breath and laid his brother carefully back upon the makeshift bier. Then he stood, keeping his voice almost inaudible. "We have been touched by forces beyond the Emperor's own design - you know this, brother, as well as I do. No good comes from that which in evil is born, no matter the purpose or cause. I look at Curze and see myself. Do you find Angron in your reflection? How thin is the veneer that keeps us loyal, keeps us civilised? But for chance, it seems, any of us might now have crossed that line. Does the line even exist, or do we simply draw it in front of us as suits our own vanity?" He recalled words spat at him from a dying sorcerer on the Atlas city-platform. Yes, a *sorcerer.* Not a psyker, not a thing of science and reason, but a wielder of the arcane, the supernatural. Such things existed even if the Emperor would deny them. *"How could the Emperor create such demigods with science alone? Warriors that can withstand tank shells? Leaders whose every word must be obeyed? Creatures with powers far beyond any Thunder Warrior or legionary? Why do you think the Emperor decided not to simply recreate his children when they were lost? What unique gifts of darkness did he pass to you?*" "I used to think there was righteous justice," he continued, his gaze moving from Russ to the warriors at the doorway. "That whatever I did, it served humanity. There is only one way left to aid mankind, and it does not include our survival, O King of Wolves. This is not our universe, and it never was. You cannot create legends and myths in a laboratory." Other faces were in his memory, vying for attention, demanding that their messages be remembered. Nathian, the bolt-shell destroying his skull, a self-inflicted end to the turmoil. How had he known? How had Nathian seen what Corax had not? "You often spoke of the Fenrisian notion of a good death," said the Raven Guard. "If there is such a thing, I desire it. I should have taken it on Isstvan. Time and again fate presented me with opportunity, but I denied it. Against Curze and Lorgar. I could have ended their vileness. And Angron. How many has he butchered since I fled his axes?" "Rational, sensible decisions, weighing advantage and cost, each time. But mistakes, all. The universe does not want us. It is unnatural that I survived." He sighed, thinking of Marcus Valerius and the red sash he wore so proudly. "Visions. Visions sent by the Emperor? I think not. Something *else* guided those that rescued me. Another hand moved my warriors to intervene at Isstvan. Powers that we do not willingly serve still bend us to their will through the manipulation of others. I was not *meant* to survive Isstvan, and all that has befallen us is simply a correction of that failing course. It is not coincidence that we are here, facing annihilation once more. This time I embrace my destiny. I will let the darkness be expunged." He walked quietly to the door. "Bjorn, I would speak with your leaders."

[@Notthat897]

I can’t feel sad for Abaddon. He’s done this to himself. He helped sow the seeds that he now reaps.

[@Historyfrek4ever]

Yeah, I really like this moment as a character moment for Abbadon, it perfectly encapsulates who he was at that time, buuuuuut I don’t feel bad for him. He is more like the kid who was told not to play with grampa’s gun but did so anyway, hit his dad and is now wondering why he has to take care of his family.

[@jaxxchang-weinberg4684]

For me one of the saddest moments in Warhammer 40K comes from the Infinite and the Divine. Specifically the scene where Orikan and Trayzn where at that cafe observing humanity. Seeing them interact with eachother in their seemingly mundane lives, reflecting that these humans aren’t so different to what the Necrontyr were, and specifically listening to the live band playing local music. Those who’ve read this part might think I’m misinterpreting this scene for being sad instead of introspective but this scene was seriously depressing on a very relatable level for me (for context I grew up in a mixed household, half Korean half Jewish). In this scene Trayzn remarks to Orikan that one of the C’tans greatest crimes was taking away the ability for the Necrons to make and enjoy music, and that they will never get that back. This is very sad to me because it’s like seeing that creative talent kid in school with a lot of ambition growing up to being a successful yet empty adult. Yes they are in the traditional sense a successful adult but what did it cost? They work a job they hate but it pays well, they have no friends but only people they know, and they choose their career field not because it’s what they wanted to do but it’s what society has demanded of them. They never wanted to be this, they never wanted to feel so lost and empty, but all they have to blame is their blind ambition and circumstance.

[@wernerfuhry]

yeah I interpreted this somewhat the same, and your comment hits very close to home for me. I can relate to that more than I want to

[@GreasusGoldtooth]

I was that creative kid in school. The cost wasn't worth it.

[@TaCo0oCaT]

@@GreasusGoldtoothit’s never too late to get creative again. The only time you lose the ability is when you die

[@Soloong_Gaybowzer]

The thing is that necrons can experience emotions, they just don't have any souls. So having the distinct inability to make or enjoy music, implies that in the 40K universe, music bypasses the physical plane and directly interacts with the soul.

[@titaniumwolf1123]

Then imagine that but 100x worse, where EVERY creative kid, passionate teen, ambitious young man is ground down to a dull, grey, bland, rock and their brains wiped clean and replaced with droning government propaganda untill All is the exact.. same. Welcome to communism. Coming soon

[@minoruiruma414]

It is interesting as well cause it mentions his brothers. Their seats are gone. He wanted to fight and die with him and his brothers. The Justarian, the Mornival. All of those he loves as a Warrior Brotherhood? Gone.

[@indrys7719]

For me, the saddest moment was reading Fulgrim on that table being tortured by Bile Lucius and the others. Not because the scene itself was tailored to be sad, but because its completely fucked on both ends. Bile and the others have seen a fundamental change in their father, like Abbadon, and are actively trying to save him. But they have no knowledge on the Warp, on possession, anything. They are just trying what they know, which is war. And on the otherside, it is Fulgrim. Not Demon Fulgrim, regular Fulgrim. A Fulgrim who has fallen to his lowest point, so far from that idealistic, ambitious man from his Novel, and leading up to Istvaan. The man who gave a speech so passionate it moved his Father. And he has given up all of that. He has given up on striving for perfection, and now solely seeks it from pure pleasure. For me, I am two things. An oldest child and a perfectionist. I adore the idea of striving for perfection, to be without flaw. But I would never want my brothers to be hurt or hurt me in the process. So thats why this scene hurts so much. A desperate group of sons, trying to save their father from himself, who has given up on perfection, for the crimes committed against his brother, and emerges simply with the conclusion that it was what he deserved.

[@MightyGachiman]

There is so much contempt for Abaddon in the community because his infamy/memes precede him. There is a lot to unpack and a lot of development done with his character in- and post heresy too. He is a tragic son, a child who had to become a man for the sake of his sons, just because of his absent failure of a father. Thank you for making this video, a great character study.

[@doubledeputyd4242]

Thank You for covering this Chrono, this is one of my personal favorites moments despite it being about a Heretic

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

YEAAAHHH IT WAS KILLER

[@akumaking1]

@@livefromtheblacklibrarywill this event ever be brought to again or will GW drop the ball harder than Yvraine after date night?

[@fearofowl5973]

that first pic of Magnus looking like a boyfailure in his bro's arms is already sad as hell.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

SFGHHGHGDSF TRU

[@StunKickTot]

the saddest moment in 40k lore: the state and misshandling of the iron hands by gw. it took gw like 9 editions to give us a named charakter to field.

[@samiamtheman7379]

What's also lame is how the Imperial Fists are next to Ultramarines in terms of importance to the Imperium and their single named character to field isn't even the Chapter Master.

[@Julian-cn1ey]

This scene is flat-out amazing. If somebody asks me why I collect and play Black Legion, I link them a video excerpt of this chapter. Abaddon has had some whiffs over the years, but the modern character is actually just so good. Between the HH SoH books, Saturnine, and Talon of Horus, there's a lot to love about Abaddon and the Black Legion.

[@ghostparty2062]

A big sad for me was the death of malcador. The emperor just saw sanguinius die, has killed his favourite son and just in time to see his best friend turn to dust. That one gets me 😢

[@anonymousidn777]

Horus: The company owner Perturabo: Board Director Abaddon: CEO (Chief Everything Officer)😂😂😂

[@musicalDrebin]

when i heard this clip from the audio book, my opinion on Abbadon did a 180. it just sorta put everything into context for me. I now kinda get why he does what he does, and i'm totally cool with him being warmaster of chaos after this. other's opinions may differ, but i think i got a better feel for him now

[@faito_k9782]

Aye bro, I saw your Iron warriors video a while ago, and just wanted to say, I hope you fucking win my guy. You deserve it.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

Thanks man that means a lot especially rn, today has sucked

[@samhaendel4939]

I always bring up this scene to the abbadon haters, I don't understand why so many hate his character

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

I think they hate how he has “plot armour”

[@InquisitorThomas]

@@livefromtheblacklibraryI just hate 40K Chaos in general, I think it’s excessive focus on Marines and the Imperium makes it far less compelling than Fantasy and even AOS Chaos.

[@samhaendel4939]

There are a couple other scenes which are similar to this for Abby. You briefly mentioned how he talked to the Mournival to comfort them about Horus' sanity, but specfically him consoling Aximund would almost warent its own video. Also in Talon of Horus when he can recite from memory every single battle he has shared with all his men from all 9 legions, so powerful is his charisma that even the Ashen Rubricae recognized his presence as a brother and a leader.

[@slimjim877]

I think it's part plot armour, and mostly down to writing. He's meant to be the absolute champion of chaos, the only guy who can fully unite it's hordes to overthrow the imperium. But he keeps failing and cts like skelator shouting how he'll be back. which is down to gw needing 40k to actually happen and maintain a story. plus, he is a big blowhard at times to.

[@hobedaar6513]

I think he is a relic from past writing. If e.g. Perturabo were to be not a demon atm but the undevided Champion, people would take the stories much more serious. Why have a SM even as famous as Abbadon be the threat to big E., if there are literally Primarchs left for this Pot devise.

[@MrTweekedone]

In Titanicus there's a story of one of the Planetary defense troopers that is absolutely heart wrenching with how it ends. Titanicus is an odd book to me because all the characters are on some sort of journey, showing very different, and I think important parts of how the Imperium and the Mechanicus work.That said, when the soldier finally gets home... that story just hurt.

[@mfreed40k]

Yes!! The feeling of devastation, my heart just broke.

[@Ungantor]

Also one of the only books with large chunks from the perspective of civillians. Hits such an incredible feeling of melancholy I think it might be one of Dan Abnett's secret best works.

[@mulespear]

I’d forgotten that old mate was her husband, and it’s like literally the final chapter so it just rocked me when she got home.

[@Vash_Carrison]

Your comment about the house, the parents degradation and kids reluctant responsibility to care and take over and ultimately succumb to to a similar fate, hit pretty hard...

[@nathac41]

Uzaz being blamed for what Cirion did. As Uzaz was losing his mind, he couldn't even stand up for himself. And his best friend, Talos, catching him at his moment of triumph, calling him a disgrace as a nightlord. That he hated him. And was "forced" to kill Uzaz. That broke me. That was my moment of pausing the audiobook and walking away.

[@NightLordsEnjoyer]

Man, I'm never going to get over him... or any of them. I want a Decimus sequel but I know it's going to break my heart again because Night Lords aren't allowed to be happy ;(

[@nathac41]

@@NightLordsEnjoyer i want that too. I want them to be vindicated. To get one real win without losing more than they gained. I have started building a NL army because of those books. NL sadboi times

[@redacted5736]

Just started getting into the Nightlords lore and characters and they have quickly become one of my favorite legions along side the Iron Warriors. All of them are just so broken emotionally that the moments where we actually see them as people and not just commically evil villains hits so much harder.

[@themigratingcoconut562]

Wow, im blown away. Never thought I'd feel bad for him but you put it into the right perspective, and it seems clear that this was the point they were trying to get across. I think they've fixed his backstory lol

[@themigratingcoconut562]

Genuinely makes me want to read something from his perspective in modern 40k where we get his inner thoughts

[@majacks91]

Honestly, the saddest moment for me in the Warhammer books was Magnus emerging from his tower. Cause at that point, any hope of true redemption he had was thrown away so he could save his sons from a death they didn’t deserve.

[@gringolikeme3564]

Youre interpretation with the kid at the carnival is really interesting i never thought about it that way. When i listened to it i just saw it was he was so in his element as a warrior that he was sad when he was yanked out of it

[@ignaciovitalis8888]

This moment you describe reminds me of something I read in the beginning of Arks Of Omen: Abaddon... "'I know already that my Worldclaimer prevails within the Nachmund Gauntlet. I have no use for obsequience. Show me' The images whirled again. As they did, Abaddon allowed himself a moment of envy for Worldclaimer's task. To lead such a straightforward campaign of destruction and bathe Drach'nyen in loyalist blood would have done much to soothe his ire." Even thousands of years later, he still yearns for the conquest of a warrior even if his mission to bring down the Imperium needs him to be a Warmaster

[@ironduke5058]

This is why I love this channel Chrono, you always have entirely new takes on people and topics I've never even thought of before. In a universe with tons of creators covering much of the same things, you've managed to make yourself and your channel unique. It has that personal touch. I've never seen or heard of anyone covering this scene, nor the way you just did. I see old mate Abby in a different light now, which is really cool. You really never stop learning in 40k huh. Also, you said you're studying media right? Is philosophy part of the course, because what always gets you thinking about these things?

[@Gauzy89]

For me the saddest moment in 40k was towards the end of the gaunts ghosts novel 'guns of tanith'. Major spoiler ahead for those who havent read it. The death of trooper 'try again' Bragg. I read this many years ago when I consumed books like an addict. It may not be the saddest moment for many, but will forever stick out in my mind because it was the first time i ever had to just put a book down and process. I cried and spent several days in a minor depression where despite my love of the series i just couldnt bring myself to pick up the book and continue for a couple days. And when i did i tore through the novel and the next, desperately hoping that it was a misdirection. That a character i had come to love over several books wasnt really dead. And after that everytime i picked up a new gaunts ghost novel to read i felt that pang deep inside. An emptiness knowing that Bragg wasnt coming back and while the rest of the adventures would be great, they would never again be quite the same without him. This post was for you Bragg, may you find a peaceful rest in the Emperors light.

[@nakenmil]

I suppose what I think was a very poignant moment was when the loyalists FINALLY realize that they've been betrayed during Isstvan 3, during Galaxy in Flames. It's this watershed moment in the series, the first time the reality hits the characters involved, that they have actually been betrayed by the very people they idolize and look up to, their friends and colleagues, and there is no turning back, there is no mending this, there is no off-ramp. Hope is dead. The future is broken, and they don't even fully understand why. What did they do for their Warmaster to hate them so? I fully believe that Garviel loken should have stayed dead, because he was symbolic of the high hopes for the future that died with Isstvan 3, but GW decided to pull some superhero comic books "actually they survived" bullshit which lessened the impact. But during that book at least, the entire sequence is like a slowly rising crescendo towards a tragedic gut punch. You know it's coming, but it still hurts.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

That’s also true! Thing is we knew that was coming, we were ready for it but the Abaddon one really just comes out of nowhere

[@Ares99999]

I found it really funny. I mean, it’s Abaddon. Any pain he feels is a joy.

[@bige4333]

weshammer read the excerpt of a dreadknought dieing and what went through his mind as each system shut down. fucking broke me.

[@ListyLobster]

You became one of my favourite lore-bringers. Your insight of the lore is so unique. Manny times you made me think about different aspects of the lore or rethink my liking or hatred of some characters . Keep it up

[@darthkek1953]

He wasn't crying, for your information there's an inflammation in his tear gland.

[@SonofSethoitae]

The moment that always gets me is when Jaghatai Khan meets the shard of Magnus in the ruins of Propsero. We only rarely get to see the Khan display the vulnerability he shows in that scene.

[@Thyinternet]

Loved Saturnine and loved this part. As for other saddest moments How about Guilliman waking up and discovering that Lorgar ultimately won

[@aditghifari5039]

11:26 this happens to every son of traitor primach, which kind more sad.

[@michorizo84]

This video has given me fresh eyes on Abbadon. I can see joining the 14th Black Crusade 😈

[@empi9000]

Interestingly, it seems that whenever fans dislike a certain character, Black Library authors tend to hit them in the guts (the character not the audience) with some trauma and then with some trauma and then show them struggling with it, but still going. And I think it's working so far. Many fans still despise Abaddon, but since reading "Soul Hunter" and "Saturnine", I no longer see him as a huge disappointment, but as a guy trying to order (i.e. lead) literal chaos (his methods still paint him as a massive prick, but there are solid arguments for deffending his current possition).

[@josephnetherland880]

Excellent content man. I really felt that Abaddon passage.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

THANKS MAN

[@mekolayn]

After trying to be what others want you to be for a long time, finally doing what you've always wanted to do brings so much joy. For it to just end forever.

[@cory9919]

I knew the moment I read the title that you were going to talk about this scene. It was the first time in the entire horus heresy that I finally grew to like Abbaddon

[@rajukoley9249]

To be fair I think when majorkill made the top 5 saddest things in 40k he didn't knew that part.

[@BaldPolishBiotechnol]

To me the saddest moment was Rogal Dorn and his longest second. The moment when he walked into the bridge of the Vengeful Spirit, saw deas Sanguinius and mortally wounded Emperor, and in one second that lasted eternity realized that the entire vision and plan the Emperor had for humanity, all hope for peace and scientific progress without Chaos, was gone forever.

[@quinnamations9715]

It’s been a year since I first saw this video. In that time, a lot has happened, but what always brings me back to it was the sheer joy and contentment Abbadon felt during this moment, and the pain of things ending. Because I got to see this exact sort of emotional journey play out in my life not even two days later. In short, after years of stumbling through romance alone after a series of traumatic events, I thought I found someone. Then, not even two days after this video premiered, I saw her again at a party, and for a single hour, I felt as if I was where I was meant to be mentally for the first time in nearly a decade. And then, inevitably…the other shoe dropped. She told me she didn’t share those same feelings. After that…I had to go back to what I had grown painfully used to. That loneliness, that pain. So when I say this video hits different now, it really does. I haven’t been the same since that day, and neither was Abaddon. Anyways, personal diatribe aside, I really appreciated your coverage of the story. Thank you.

[@AhzekBile]

I liked your analysis on this. I have known many people like this including my father. His father was an alcoholic who beat his children. My father never hit me and basically avoided alcohol once he had kids, so he wouldn't be his father. But he was still sad and kinda broken. So basically Abbadon is my dad, which is why I like him even if he infuriates me sometimes because you know, you get it.

[@C.D.G.1]

If only Abaddon got more books like this.

[@TheCrimsonApostle30k]

Loken and Tariks duel with Little Horus and Abbadon is the saddest because Little Horus and Tarik stop fighting and talk it out before Horus has to kill Tarik and is the haunted for years over the murder before crying to Loken because he is genuinely depressed over Tarik and Loken's death.

[@ironduke5058]

What book does this happen in? Sounds good

[@TheCrimsonApostle30k]

Galaxy in flames

[@panthervoodoo]

That moment with Abaddon was truly heart wrenching. The only line I found more emotional impact from was the final words from Grimaldus on hive Helsreach. “As if there was only one”. It actually made me weep

[@ProcyonDei]

The sacrifice of Eternity Wall is way sadder than Abaddon's bit...

[@PoolNoodleGundam]

Idk eternity gate was actually pretty heatwarming

[@genderconfusedwolffromshre8914]

I dont know if its the saddest moment for me, but I think it made me like Abaddon more. I always thought he's an unrelatable failure with zero character, basically thats what i heard from everywhere or similar things. But as i learned more of him now i know that he is far from it i think he's underrated and a great bbeg

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

EXACTLY

[@sonicwingnut]

I'm listening to this and thinking "You did it, Abaddon. You truly are the Warhammer 40,000"

[@Turnil321]

the saddest moment in warhammer is what happened to Bob. I really feel sad for Gav.

[@legionxfretensis1010]

I need to get on those audios by Vox in the Void, I hear they’re really good.

[@gideonhorwitz9434]

It’s a shame that Loken wasn’t able to confront Abbadon even for a brief moment

[@KnifeCursed]

Saddest moment to me was when Talos admitted he just wanted to be a hero.

[@makeitrain280]

I think for me the saddest moment was everything that happened during the Damnation of Pythos. Like you got that one Iron Hands character that for once in any iron hands life, he opted to not think like an iron hands and be something better only for it to colossally fuck up and result in the death of everyone with that 1 Iron Hands serf being the last person standing and being forced to see the sheer scale of their failure on top of seeing their destroyed ship rise up in a warped daemonic form. All this on top of them sending out a message of help and warning only for the 1 receiving ship to ignore it. Also the ending of Sanguinius was also kinda sad to, how the story of the blood angels and all they’ve endured the true story about them is destroyed at the end of the siege of Terra because it’s an inconvenient truth and they’d rather prop him up in a manner that Sanguinius never really wanted to be seen as.

[@anonfaceless6088]

A very strange but weird content. Though kinda used to that now lol. You do make some excellent points that I've never thought about. Good job

[@naprasa]

For me, it's the same book, just a different Mournival member: Horus Aximand. Loken: "You were always the wrong Horus!"

[@Cheeky_Bandit]

Those who have suffered greatly do not cry at what is terrible, but at what is beautiful.

[@petra4385]

Hearing this makes me think abbadon is an ork is a human body lol. Like "I only care to fight and be a warrior" where have I heard that before?

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

We all have some ork in us deep down tbh

[@pedropierre9594]

The saddest part in wh 40k for me will always be Isstvan v

[@stertrack520]

Man i get it now. I think i get back to this videos so much. I watched this video as i started working in my 9 to 8 job. And now i am less interesting in life in general as i used to be. And now i believe that i relate to abaddon as i to had to left behind my idéals in order to take care of my family. And i miss the simplicity of my old life. Or at least the idea of it and of my future.

[@btf1287]

this entire video is heresy of the highest order.

[@JeanKRAUSER-kq4bv]

I really liked this video. I didnt know abbadon had this kind of deep emotional moment in the books Thanks you a lot

[@grantkruger3689]

I really like Saturnine for exactly these reasons. Great scenes with great characters, like when the remembrancer who lost her sight asks to accompany the body of the Blood Angel who saved her in gratitude.

[@intellectualiconoclasm3264]

The fight with the Interex and then Horus's poisoining in the flesh. And how it set off his poisoning of mind, and then in soul. That was the greatest tragedy for me.

[@tjmess00]

At minute 10, Abby realizing that this was all he ever wanted deep down was so heart wrenching. He wanted to die, and this was the only way he knew how to die, as a warrior

[@gareth0412]

Abaddon was weeping because he had a good death torn away from him. I wasn't able to muster a scrap of empathy for Ezekiel. He killed my man Sigismund, ever since Sigs prophecy i can only think of his ending. Hopefully at the hands of a returned primarch. "You will die as your weakling father died. Soulless. Honourless. Weeping. Ashamed."

[@nickart1372]

This time the vid hit hard, thank you for the genuinely moving narration

[@BaronElBardo]

I was in that kind of situation when my father get his depression worsened. My mother was working in the town tavern and we didn't get help from the family nor the neighbours. I was 11 and have to take care of my brothers. House full of trashbags. The next part needs the obvious trigger warning. It ended after his death due to depression, everyone knows what I mean by that. Things become difficult in other sense, problems with my father family snd all that jazz

[@buckfoxursoul]

Man alive your description of how abaddon felt stuck me to the core. Man tears happened, just saying...just wanted to be a kid again 😢.

[@simonw1252]

He genuinely wanted to die in that way. He was ready for it and it was deserved. His death was an escape from all his really HILARIOUS bad choices, he knew it was the best quick end he could hope for.

[@scarafereastra]

This moment ushered in a newfound and surprising sense of respect for abby

[@licensed_beheader]

The wages of treachery are steep. He signed up and tolerated the warp filth. As joker said "You get what you f*cking deserve."

[@waycard]

Abbadon is really my favorite character in 40k! He is the best space marine of all time and as the lore keeps developing i am hoping the attitude towards him changes. Most people dislike him without reading the work the define him. This passage makes me understand him more, you see him truly be what he was meant to be.

[@lemonadesparkle4994]

Somewhere between "I do not die today", "I gave you as long as I could" and "They killed my monkey, and my friend"

[@jamesmckenna4460]

To point out how good saturnine is, when you said Joseph barco munday and ol Pierson I got chills.

[@mac101099]

I had listened to that scene on its own once somewhat at random thanks to a yt recommendation, but listening to it again with your explanation honestly hurts so much more and almost has me in tears.. Not for my own experience but for another. My girlfriend basically had part of her childhood ripped from her when mother relapsed extremely when she was around middle school age and through her high school years and basically completely isolated away in her room and drank, leaving my gf to take care of and essentially raise her two younger siblings in which time she had to skip meals and her own health to keep them fed, happy, and healthy (not to mention dealing with the fact that one would steal in sort of an attempt to gain attention and the other was basically terminal with a issue from birth that eventually led to his death).. As terrible as Abbadon became, no one deserves that kind of thing..

[@DINOROAR2912]

I absolutely love how you laid out the psychology of this, and hate how I now relate to Kyle over here

[@Zimzilla99]

Definitely something you can appreciate about Abbadon before 40k proper

[@Monika-Legion]

I didn’t expect to click on this video and have my entire emotional state be shook to its core. 10/10 would reccomend

[@altannedjati9861]

Hey, Live, from the black library. Can we know what is the name of the song behind background ? Thank you for great videos. I enjoyed it.

[@davidog4]

Malcador in the end and the death was pretty sad.

[@mistertaz94]

Not the saddest for me, but it's up there. For me there is no absolute "saddest" moment in 40k because the entire setting is one great big tragedy. That being said, there are several moments I key on as particularly awful or tragic, with this being up there with the scene in Infinite and Divine as Orikan and Trazyn are discussing everything that the Necrontyr lost in becoming the "perfect Necrons", where Trazyn discusses how they no longer can truly CREATE anything, how music and art are forever out of reach, how even emotions, genuine emotions, are forever lost to them. If Abbadon during HH is the story of a child forced to grow up before their time, the Necrons are the story of dementia or debilitating illness that robs you of everything that you were. Both are equally and excessively tragic

[@rump438]

Saturnine had the second saddest bit too I forgot the guys name, but the guardsman standing up to angron was peak bro cry

[@brooksrex]

You dropped a banger with this one

[@Malvok]

My vote for saddest scene in w40k/30k is the death of Dantioch.

[@domnizl]

Damn so many people in here haven't experienced life, you can tell by the way they talk like saying he took an L or dumbing things down to make a point.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

YEAH LOL

[@josiegreene6140]

Yeah, it makes sense that a bunch of adults in the hobby were pretty privileged as kids. Meanwhile I was making orks outta putty and paperclips. Luckily I have a real job now and can buy whatever the fuck I like. I hope everyone gets to experience that feeling in their lives.

[@andrewpeterson5078]

For me its when the tunnels are being pumped with 40k concrete. That scene where this space marine squad is in their excavater/transport and the sludge siezes up the tracks. Well, restart it he says. Impossible, the tech say. Well then lets pop the hatch and move on foot. Impossible, the tech says. The slurry has already set. It is essentially stone. Well then how do we get out? We dont. The power supply in this transport will support us indefinatly, so we dont need to worry about air. Your power suits will sustain your basic needs indefinatly. So how long will we survive in here? The commander looks at the rest of his squad, and then the walls of the cramped transport... I dont know. How long does your kind live? Says the tech.

[@yabarber6902]

I'll forever be amazed that a world eater socked Abaddon in the face like 10 times with a power fist but still survived

[@inquisitorvuln]

For me personally, Huron Fals death was one of the saddest scenes in the Horus Heresy Series. It was defiant and tough. For warhammer 40k, Id say Chapter Master Ekene Dubaku's death in Spears of the Emperor by ADB. It was so sudden and unexpected. Both scenes made me cry. I had to put the books down and tale a walk, just like how you did with this scene of Abaddon weeping.

[@loreseer9553]

imo the saddest moment was the Schism of Mars, so much knowledge and the promise for a better brighter future irreversibly lost almost overnight, with the fall of numerous forge cities

[@ironduke5058]

Listening to it all happen during the audiobook hurt. All that knowledge, just gone...

[@thatonegreenguy2842]

If anyone reposts the excerpt from the book back on KZbin can one of y’all PLEASE link it to me. That part goes so hard I fell in love with Abbadon right there when I heard it.

[@macuma5533]

Abaddon wishes he was an ork, he wouldn't need to look for excuses for a good fight.

[@Johnwarhammer_]

"YOU KILLED BOB!"

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

The tragedy is manifold. He loses the good death he thought he earned & by his survival the galaxy is doomed.

[@nateozanich2979]

I’m just glad Haar got to have his moment before he died