What Happens When Horus Returns? | Warhammer 40k Lore

[@hexaquras9374]

its hard to believe that The Emperor of Mankind would ever trust a man named Horus Heresy

[@azikhan1707]

Heresy is not a part of his name.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

@@azikhan1707 Then why is his name Horus Heresy

[@huntersprouls1632]

Lol😂

[@nobleman9393]

Or why would he trust a guy named John Grammaticus.

[@MansMan42069]

On the flipside, I would totally put my faith in a man called D'Emperor O'Mankind

[@nobleman9393]

Emperor: So Horus has returned, here's his location, go pick him up I have to see him. Custodes: Wait, WHAT?

[@lukaskoser7507]

Blood Angels: YOU F☆ING WHAT WHIT THE WHAT ?!!?!? Blood Angels: HORUUUUUUUS !!!!!

[@fouadben4332]

i read this with tts voices

[@nocomment3294]

Yeah, but this time they create a redeemed hours or Horus as some benign warp entity without corruption, influences aldaeri and humans to create a vessel so he can be reborn as a primarch. While being as good as guilleman, better Diplomat but they still fear him like Lucifer.^^

[@TKUltra971]

I can hear the record skipping in the warp at that Text to Speech command.

[@williambatley1769]

This is why they made femcustodes, for the lOvE iNTeReST but a STRONG FEMALE MAIN CHARACTER CUSTODES CANT BE WON OVER BY THE MOST HANDSOME DEVIL IN THE GALAXY, OR CAN SHE?

[@terstbrows3374]

>Horus returns >Triggers the end times of 40k >Towards the end the emperor *finally* becomes mobile again (or dies and also gets resurrected) >40k universe ends in a final climactic battle that restarts the universe >GamesWorkshop releases Warhammer 40k: Age of the Emperor

[@zhangjeff238]

Warhammer 80k: Emperor boogaloo

[@kacperbizon9166]

The most likely ending😢

[@theliato3809]

Warhammer 42K

[@primkup]

Warhammer: Age of Horus (Its final boss is John Grammaticus reborn btw)

[@windwhisper0234]

''With the might of forty thousand warhammers I must put an end to this...this Horus Heresy'' - Emperor of Mankind

[@AzureStar795]

Horus: I'm back and I'm good now. everybody: (cracking their knuckles)

[@breakdown3317]

The lion: "think fast chuckle nuts" *swings shield like a bat*

[@mattrosencranse9575]

Sangiunius looks to the lion and guilleman and says “ please go get as much soap and as many pillow cases you can find. Father must not see the marks we will leave upon our brother! “ as the rage sets in.

[@cspcchcody]

x --> doubt

[@patrickdees5256]

It's going to be like that one scene in the Thriller Bark arc of One Piece.

[@Warmaster2001]

Lion: Hm. Ok brother doing it. Prove it that your good now. Join me and Dante in Nihilus and deal with your corrupted son. Guilliman: welcome back brother. If you wish I can restore your title of Warmaster. Horus: thank you brothers. But I need an army. Cawl: Don't worry Warmaster. I created a several chapters from your gene stock. You can unite them as legion of Luna Wolves or if you wish redeemed Sons of Horus. Horus; I would prefer Luna Wolves. Thank you Archmagos.

[@AlOstosman]

The idea of Horus trying to pass himself off as an ordinary imperial citizen, living on a farming world, going by "Boris Supercal" or some shit like that and wearing nothing but cartoon nose glasses which are Way too small for him (aka normal human size) for disguise has made me laugh so much i had a stomachache XD

[@GambeTama]

He affects an ever more fake accent than the one his men accused him of! "Wha? Nah, nah, I'm no Horse Loppercaller. I'm just good ol' Horatio Lou Person, humble farmin' man-o d'mperium. Just carvin' out-a humble livin' wit' my wolves, Abby and Angie. Now if you'll 'scuse me, I gotta get back ta plowin' the fields. Been on my own since pappy died, and I've got a lot to do." Im crying right now XD

[@26th_Primarch]

So basically, the classic Superman disguise?

[@Firas-xii]

Imagen horus become some superman fugare by going to worlds fixing them and leave

[@nobleman9393]

Hourus Lupercul the Ogryn.

[@HexaDecimus]

Nah ,he just has to wear a wig

[@budderk1305]

Horus and Commander Farsight against the galaxy, a buddy cop movie for the millenium

[@imperadoraureo]

Most amazing ideia i have seen today

[@Nicache1918]

Put Cypher in there for good measure.

[@RorikH]

​@Nicache1918 Plot Twist: Horus was Cypher the whole time, and that's why Cypher wanted to meet the Emperor

[@Per_Johnsen]

They should paint their armor like one of those Hawaii shirts and wear 80's sunglasses outside their visors.

[@marcinkrz3140]

What? We some kinda Heresy Squad?

[@Baloo106]

"Hello Captain General, my name is Boris Buberpal, I am the new janitor. Can I please have the keys from the throne room?" [Twirls mustache]

[@zeehero7280]

"Why Certainly my friend, I don't remember seeing you around but I always trust my brothers! except those oily abs guys of course!" - Captain General Kitten

[@DementedDaedric]

Random Guardsman: So who's that 10 feet tall dude with a wolf cloak and a blonde wig over there? Another random guardsman: He said his name is "Boris Supersalt" or something

[@eergegerg23]

Probably, ogrin, sir.

[@Liethen]

Commisar: "Clearly that is Leman Russ." Boris Supersalt: (random swedish chef noises)

[@Warmaster2001]

Second Guardsman; I don't know but he has strange aura. Same thing I feel when I fight alongside with lord Guilliman. First Guardsman: huh ok. But this guy is fighting like a wolf and his Astartes also fighting like wolfs. interestingly his fighting style is familiar to Abaddon. Commissar: Whats your discussing boys 1st Guardsmen: huh oh we discussing that giant with white armour and wolf cloak and his Astartes in white, black and gold. Commissar: Oh yeah I also noticed him. He is fighting like a primarch and have that aura of primarch. But he strangely quick to disappear like those Dark Angels in black armour. And by look of him he definitely not a Space Wolf.

[@henrychurch6062]

"Horus told me that they said the Emperor was bad" "No I Didn't! That's not admissible!" -The Horus Hearsay

[@aguspuig6615]

underrated

[@flags5765]

He returns a beautifull brunnet to signifaying thats he is no longer bald and therefor evil

[@Hypogeal-Foundation]

Ah yes, Baldness=Evil. Mr. H would like to agree.

[@Carp_surfer1558]

the most horrendous thing fulgrim ever did was stealing all his fellow traitors hair follicles

[@pandorasangel2747]

Mortarion used to have hair & now he doesn't, coincidence!?!

[@Malagurst]

She Horus on my Lupercal before I Warhammer 40'000

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

She Horus on my Sons until I Of

[@manwithgun9768]

​@@livefromtheblacklibrary she of'd until she gave me some sons of Horus, truly a lupercal moment

[@emzetkin1100]

​@@livefromtheblacklibrary She heresy on my horus til I lupercal

[@spiral2754]

​@@emzetkin1100 this one is underrated

[@iNsAniTy9669]

​@@emzetkin1100Lmao

[@SirKanti1]

You know who Horus should team up with, John grammaticus!

[@TheUncivilizedNation]

Did Grammaticus survive into M42?

[@Jagatai8925]

​@@TheUncivilizedNation Hope not xd

[@no-nonseplayer6612]

@@Jagatai8925 hes alive but doing funky time traveling

[@Firas-xii]

A match made in the worp

[@PowerfulSkeleton]

John grammaaaaaaaaaaaticus

[@brandonstone2754]

Do one where kurze finds out hes a perpetual after he dies. How ironically pissed would he be

[@kentewer2320]

Ha ha amazing would be funny

[@TheARguy-lh7xn]

if horus return,i Will embrace violence

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

So will Horus

[@manwithgun9768]

Angron²

[@TKUltra971]

After Genefather, i bet what will probably happen is: - Best boy Alpha-Primus' warning comes to pass and Cawl fks around with making a Primarch "body" - Emperor more Empowered than ever grabs Horus' soul and throws him at said body - The '"""star child"" that is alleged by being born in the Dawn of Fire saga gets narrowly squished by Chaos or Alpha Legion'ed away - Redeemed Ultra Instinct Horus shows up in a hooded cloak and slaughters everything evil, looks to the loyalists, explains nothing, **LEAVES**

[@azariyelvarro6271]

Angron, Mortarion, Magnus and Fulgrim Bullrush Revived Horus Horus dodges while the Ultra Instinct theme plays "I WILL NOT LET YOU DESTROY MY WORLD!!!" Vibes intensifies. Cue epic anime fight with hectic warp lazer beams ending with an astronomicon spirit bomb.

[@t0m653]

@@livefromtheblacklibrarywould blood angels go black rage when they see Horus again?

[@Ziegrif]

A redeemer Horus returning is something I'd be into, but that's mostly because I'm a sucker for redemption arcs. A broken man putting the pieces of a fresco, that he smashed, back together one piece at a time.

[@luccasdubai]

I wish Horus became emperor

[@treznorify]

We could have that with Fulgrim, his loyalist clone already exists

[@kiankier7330]

poor Horus, have to look at what have become of mankind

[@chromicm6686]

​@@treznorifyThry never should have commited the "The reflection crack'ed" storyline.

[@mohdshahariar5833]

@@treznorify Just wish some mf in the Imperium knows about this clone and is plotting the greatest heist in the history of mankind along with Guilliman

[@jackgriffi7826]

Not gonna lie, I actually love the idea of a Horus redemption arc. It'd make an awesome book series of him re-birthed into the modern Imperium, having to see what he has wrought, how he went from the beloved and favored son of the Emperor to the Imperium's greatest evil. Imagine it going like, He awakens on a Hive-world, far from Terra, confused, his memories a mess, wondering where his Son's are? Where his armor went, why is he dressed like this? He processes it slowly, as he wanders in a daze, in a sort of twilight-zone feel, of everything being similar but slightly different, as memories slowly start to fill in. He see a grand procession of citizen moving towards a grand building, a cathedral and he follows them in, hoping to find the leaders here. He struck by a feeling though, that if he enters the building he'll learn something terrible, but pushes forward anyway, entering the building in surprising stealth, watching from the back of the procession, he see a Marine in red armor take the podium, he looks familiar, and he smiles, a feeling of nostalgia takes him looking at the familiar face of the Astartes. He listens to him speak about the importance of this day and the sacrificed that happened for them, for all of the Imperium, and of the foe that was defeated thanks to that sacrifice. Horus wonders if this is some local holiday, perhaps honoring some martyr, unti he hears his name called, nearly preening as he almost steps forward, only stopped as it is called without the warm, reverence that he is used to. As it's said in a tone of black rage, the Marine snarls the name like it was the most vile curse to exist. A feeling of dread pools in him, he realize hasn't look up yet, he has to force himself to look up, as the Astarte's delivers a speech in the background, of the Emperors greatest son, who allowed the defeat of the Lupercal. Horus stares at the mural on the top of the cathedral, of his beloved brother Sanguinius. The mural is nearly perfect, as his brother lies dead, wings spread behind him, arms crossed over his chest, a halo of light behind him. He looks peaceful, the image nearly perfect, almost a one-to-one recreation of his brothers beauty, only off by a degree only his trans-human eyes and memory can notice. It's wrong, though, memories play across his eyes, comparing and contrasting the image with the reality of what he had done. Reliving it, as he murders his brother again, beating him like a dog. His hearts feel like as though they were crushed by a thunder-hammer, It's then that he looks toward the Astartes, realizing who's son he's looking at, and by chance does the Astartes make eye-contact with him, just as he says the cursed name again. The Astartes eyes do not bulge, a son of Sainguinius's eyes do not bulge, they are too fair a specimen to do so, instead the pupil dilates to the maximum, their superhuman eyes absorbing the sight before them, he is not sure why, but as he says the words, looks eyes with the man who even eclipse a space-marine in size, does a rage he's been fighting his whole trans-human existence reemerge, as his finger claw against the marble podium, gouging and crushing, he cries out. "HORUS!"

[@treznorify]

that Mass is going to get funky

[@nowanimportant8887]

Ooh boy, the one time a Blood Angel afflicted with Black Rage is NOT delusional...

[@pedroivantaveraferreira3037]

​@@nowanimportant8887I think Horus' aura by itself can cause the Black Rage.

[@justinhessey9032]

Then dorn appears and puts an end to this foolishness.

[@atommaverick]

Can someone make fanfic novel out of this, this is too good.

[@Talrashaa]

there would be some cool sense of symbolism if Horus came back and had to go about his redemption as a 'lone wolf'

[@Stormmblade]

It would be interesting if a reformed Horus were to team up with Valdor, of all people, with the intent to kill the Emperor for good (so that the Emperor has the opportunity to reincarnate as the Star Child and heal)

[@AxolotlInMC]

​@@Stormmblade I wonder why so many people want to kill the Emperor. They don't know what would happen to him, and the Imperium would pretty much implode

[@Stormmblade]

@@AxolotlInMC Well that's why it would be interesting. The setting of 40k, at least prior to Guilliman's return, is literally characterized as being stagnant. The Imperium is stuck in a stalemate against the forces of Chaos, and the Emperor is a husk of his former self; not appearing to be getting any better even after 10k years of effort in trying to protect his faction. GW has set up some very interesting possibilities, with the Star Child, or the Dark King. Nobody knows what might happen if the Emperor died for real, it might save the Imperium, or it might doom everything. I'm not sure they should even get to the end of that. I just thought it would be very interesting to see the internal conflict of Constantin Valdor, Chief Custodian and one of the Emperor's staunchest defenders, to side with the "Archtraitor" Horus against the Imperium. And that reformed, loyalist Horus attempting to redeem himself by finishing the task that made him into the Archtraitor to begin with. And for the possible implications that the Loyalist Primarchs, who are defending the Golden Throne, might actually be perpetuating the problems in the Imperium. Or maybe they are protecting it from a very clever and manipulative scheme. Who knows? They shouldn't necessarily answer those questions. But an actual Loyalist (non-chaos) civil-war might spice things up a little.

[@AxolotlInMC]

@@Stormmblade Well, it could be interesting from the meta perspective, but I'm talking about the people in the story. Why would they want to kill the Emperor, when they must know that he's the only thing keeping the Imperium together

[@Stormmblade]

@@AxolotlInMC In the lore, belief has power. That's the reason given for why the Emperor didn't want people to know about Chaos during The Great Crusade. He didn't warn the Primarchs, because that would have strengthened Chaos. Ironically, that was his downfall. But the power of belief is a two-way street. Now, the Imperial Cult has millions of planets, with trillions of humans, all worshiping the Emperor for the better part of 10,000 years. There's real power there, and occasionally it manifests in the form of Imperial Saints, or the Legion of the Damned. Most people in the Imperium are ignorant to that, but a handful of individuals are aware to it. Valdor being one of them. If the Imperium has enough belief, they might be able to ascend the Emperor to being on the same level or even greater than the Chaos Gods. Kind of like the way that the Eldar created Slanesh. In universe, there's some whispers of discussion between whether the 'reincarnated' Warp Emperor would be benevolent (The Star Child) or vengeful (The Dark King). Some people think that the Emperor can't reincarnate yet because he hasn't technically died.

[@TheFatRodent]

Don't forget that Horus grew up as a gangster! He has "street smarts" so he can survive solo.

[@zeehero7280]

Gagsta Horus going all heresy on the criminal underworld

[@empousa8680]

Imperial Ship Captain: Sir, for the last time. Who are you? Horus wearing a wig, sunglasses, a 6 meter long trenchcoat and a top hat: Im...i...Im Borus.....Borus Pupercal

[@kirashinji]

Ah yes, Mr Horace Hearsay himself

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

Hes not a heretic anymore so now his name is just horus

[@nobleman9393]

Senior Hourus

[@detroitbecomesurvivaltrain7813]

@@livefromtheblacklibrary mr hershey

[@Autism3.0]

@@livefromtheblacklibrary horse

[@Lady0fThePies]

Horus: "I've replanted the crops fought off the invading Orcs, Tyranids and Chaos forces and saved all the children on this world." The Entire Imperium: "That son of a bitch what nefarious schemes could he be plotting!!"

[@TKUltra971]

Dude Horus coming back would be the biggest heel turn moment in 40k history. And its just so poetic and grim dark. Its like not only would the gods be fking with him as he sees what he's done live and personal but he also starts the long road of fighting for or fixing the IOM. He won't use his name of course, and if he does him sure the Lion and Robute are going to have words hunting him down. But its a good counter to Abadon who's been on a serious winning streak. The Indom Crusade has done alot to foil some of his plans but he's still at large with further plans falling into place.

[@Bombur888]

*Face turn, but yes.

[@jaegerbomb269]

I think we will see everyone else return first before Horus. It's going to be awkward when he runs into Sanguinius.

[@jorgenorberto293]

That would be in 50 years time. Doubt that I will be alive then. Shame...

[@drcalliber732]

@@jorgenorberto293You make Games workshop writers seem competent. We will enter a new ice age before GW gets their shit together and is able to publish something where new primarchs return, let alone Horus.

[@UncleAsmos2005]

​@@drcalliber732 We literally got Lion's return barely 5-6 years after Guilliman. It will take some time, but another one will come back shortly.

[@scritoph3368]

@drcalliber732 not so much incompetent as being in a bit of a bind. The entire conceit of 40K as a setting is that it’s supposed to be hopeless. Humanity is supposed to be on the precipice of their inevitable collapse, raging against the dying of the light. Therefore it’s kind of difficult to progress the plot in any meaningful way, at least at a reasonable pace. Stuff can’t go well for humanity because then it’s not grimdark. If anything goes worse for humanity they basically go extinct. Similar thing with the Ynarri for example. Can’t progress that plotline because they can’t just kill Slaanesh! Can’t redeem Magnus or Mortarion cause then no more nurgle or tzeench marines (burgle at least could probably be explained away by having typhus take over, or maybe Ahriman could accidentally become the leader of the TSons against his will for the Tzeench lulz). It’s a setting of stagnation, of attrition against the inevitable, which makes progressing it real hard.

[@Dablo_Escobar]

Somehow, Horus Hersey has returned

[@Repossessedurass]

Dark science, cloning, secrets only the Emperor knew.

[@1dwkjr]

Horus has spent the last 10,000 years psychically building warlord titans without crews.

[@Skelator_Sikelator]

If Lucifer returns to Paradise after apocalypse and says "I'm sorry guys, but I've changed. Lets dig up all the mountains of corpses and all of the atrocities I've done, then FIX EVERYTHING TOGETHER.".... I don't think he will be welcomed.

[@jamesdeek7039]

Feels like a Steven universe episode

[@DirtyMardi]

Isn’t forgiveness like first and foremost tenet of chrisianity?

[@ballistic9644]

@@DirtyMardiyes, however, mark 9:42 KJV

[@MrSamulai]

@@DirtyMardi The first and foremost tenet of christianity is loving god above all else. Forgiveness is just one of the teachings, and the different branches can't even agree how it should be done.

[@albertocruzado2899]

​@@DirtyMardiI think its a matter of balance and proper self-reflection. Horus could achieve redemption by a complete acknowledgment of his crime with no excuses, total devotion to the mission of repairing the harm caused to the point of self-sacrifice, and doing something big that could be considered as equivalent to the amount of harm he unleashed, with his life as the extra prize to pay. Only then, total redrmption may be considered. And even with that, i would not blame if many dont forgive him even then. The amount of harm done in a cosmic scale its just to much to contemplate an easy forgiving.

[@LiShuBen]

Imagine Horus leading the blood angels. Less as a general but more like being a carrot at the end of a stick. He triggers their blood rage with his mere presence then goes near the enemy and dips out. He reappears says where he will be next, rinse and repeat.

[@crasher182]

That's actually ingenios I could totally see him pulling that off The enemies of man beware.

[@LiShuBen]

@@crasher182 I’m newish to the lore but this seems theoretically plausible(in a tongue in cheek sort of way)based on previously established character traits from both parties. Almost certainly wouldn’t happen but it’s funny to think about haha

[@predatitor4183]

I feel that perhaps that would be to evil, i dont believe that he is going to be capable of quitting them of the trance of the black rage.

[@yamibakura8597]

I can't wait for Guiliman to meet Borris Zupergal, one of the "lost" Primarchs.

[@grimwald]

Trazyn would do everything in his power to get Horus in a pokeball

[@Tarik360]

Horus in a Luperball

[@ryangale3757]

.... You know what, I'm completely sold. This sounds like a pretty fantastic potential storyline. Although if that were to happen, as much I would love to see a "Horus in the throne room talking to the Emperor for the first time in 10,000 years" scene, the one thing that I would REALLY love to see more than anything else would be Horus finding and putting an absolute beat down on Erebus. I mean, come on, we all want to see it. On the one hand, it would be utterly hilarious: Erebus fleeing into a dark room, running for something powerful that he can't quite identify but that he has a sinking feeling and a strong sense of dread about, and Horus just stepping out from the shadows, smiling, and saying something like "Hello Erebus, did you miss me?" before laying down the galaxy's biggest asskicking since the Necrons got told 'no' by the Old Ones and took it WAY too personally. More seriously though, that would be SO cathartic, the story between them coming full circle in a way. That dang Chaos prick finally getting what he's deserves for 10,000 years, that would definitely be worth the price of admission.

[@jakewu8268]

Erebus meeting his end to a returned and redeemed Horus Lupercal does sound very fitting…

[@pedroivantaveraferreira3037]

Don't forget that his fear would attract Corvus and he'd be destroyed the instant his soul enters the Warp

[@garberasandor9699]

Not to mention the fact that it was Erebus who made the Horus Heresy possible.

[@arionofotherworld]

'Horus' is reknowned across the Imperium as the satan figure/representation of chaos for the Imperial Cult. If he were ever to actually return, i think a name and wardrobe change would be the only solution to prevent the Custodes or Grey Knights from hammering him into the ground.

[@tomsmith247]

He would also have problems with the blood angels

[@arionofotherworld]

​@@tomsmith247 Blood Angels and all their successor chapters.

[@Warmaster2001]

Well in Custodes case I have doubts. Because Emperor can order them to find Horus and bring him back to Terra. After all he can speak and probably can force visions in Custodes minds.

[@HarryVoyager]

It would be very interesting to see how the Grey Knights reacted to him. The thing is, as I understand it, they're supposed to be tightly attuned to the machinations of the demons, so I'd suspect they could tell if someone was not warp tainted as well. I could just as easily see them catching him and determining that he is not warp tainted, and being the only group in the Imperium that is not trying to kill him.

[@idid5866]

@@HarryVoyager Now THAT is a series I would enjoy reading.

[@Bassguywhoplaysstuff]

Honestly I would be down for this idea if they dedicated like a whole book to Horus and his souls trials and tribulations in the warp while actually coming up with a good explanation for Him to come back to the physical world in the end. He could meet the souls of his fallen brothers, his fallen sons, deamons he's consorted with. The chaos gods themselves to a degree. It could be something similar to the divine comedy where Horus has to journey through all the realms of chaos in order to reach the other side. I think it would be a very interesting redemption ark that also gives us a look at the maelstrom in a way I don't think we've really seen before? Obviously it opens a kind of Pandora's box, but the what if factor is really cool to me.

[@henrydimmock2691]

Dante’s inferno but with Horus

[@scpwatcher8289]

If this happens I want to see Horus sneaking through a underhive and get approached by omega, Valdor and like a good shard of Magnus and the only thing they say to him is “we got work to do”

[@patrickdees5256]

How I'd imagine with Horus returning: *horus arriving on Tera, as Guilliman and lion meet their father, at the behest of the custodes* Guiliman:.... Brother? Lion El Johnson: you feel it too. Guiliman: indeed!... Scramble the legions!

[@Its_Cannon]

Guilliman: Fuck the Codex, Horus is back. Form ALL the Legions.

[@patrickdees5256]

@@Its_Cannon you know you screwed up, if Robot Gilman says "SCREW MY RULES"

[@Its_Cannon]

@@patrickdees5256 I'd like to imagine all nearby Astartes feels genuine fear when they hear Guilliman say "Logistics be dammned"

[@dmanlip]

Honestly, I think there would only be one person who would actually hear out horus and may actually help him alongside big E. A person who can relate to horus extremely well as he too failed his people, wants to make amends, and would happily ensure that horus would get the tools he needs to go on his path to stop the galaxy from falling apart. The silent king.

[@nodosa994]

"Ahh jimminy crickets, one little puff wouldn't hurt" - Heresy Horus

[@ColCoal]

There is another who would accept him back. Omegon.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

GOOD POINT

[@isuckatusernames4297]

don't you mean alpharius ?

[@noahpreuss2795]

Ah yes, finally a centerpiece model for the custodes

[@Hlecroff]

think I like this idea best. everyone would still hate him but you cant really question the golden boys

[@ricky6608]

I hope he comes back as a female custodes

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

⁠@@ricky6608 you again what sad and miserable being you are

[@aguspuig6615]

To be fair maybe the Custodes would secretly help him, if the emperor ordered it

[@k1lluachan]

100% the emperors orders are law

[@dagdamor1]

The two individuals that could be trusted to bring Horus up to speed without their mind being clouded by storms of emotion would be Constantin Valdor and Alpharius/Omegon, interestingly enough. And both of them have plenty of experience operating on the down-low.

[@saltyshackles5227]

Horus's soul in Clonegrims body. Charisma & Persuation over 9000.

[@nobleman9393]

"Why is this body so sticky?"

[@ThePolyfamous]

"Somehow Horus returned"

[@somerton4383]

😬

[@riccardocarminatigalli2852]

I stopped the video after 39 seconds because I already knew the answer; the imperial fist would stop them

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

JESUS LOL

[@_Rijolin]

In an iron cage right? 😘

[@riccardocarminatigalli2852]

@@_Rijolin you watch your mouth (jk)

[@Keram-io8hv]

Maybe they will bore them to death

[@elyrienvalkyr8167]

@@riccardocarminatigalli2852 I mean, it's the only legion to have a primarch so pathetic he died in a hallway to a bunch of basic vanilla marines. Even Lorgar was able to fight off a dozen basic boys. Imperial fists are just the imperial version of the disposable bad guy in these stories. If you need a hoard to kill off, add imperial fists into the story.

[@tylerholmes2727]

I'm convinced porterrabo being a very sensible man despite him having his shortcomings might be able to help out Horus in this great time of need.

[@Tula-cs1ef]

.........I want to call heresy but he hated chaos and the imperiam. I can totally see then carving out an independent human section of space.

[@Sonj982]

I dont know I mean the possibility is there but perturabo also held a lot of resentment to horus because he if anything treated him worse than the imperium and played on his emotions more than the emperor, to an extent. I think he might but it would be a longshot that would likely end with perturabo just using him.

[@bubla2659]

I would love if the first chapter he came into contact with was the Lamenters of all people. Just imagine, you have all the hatred and sorrow of all the blood angels turned to 11 and mixed with bad luck. Though they wouldn’t because they aren’t a “main” chapter

[@logandelaharpe6362]

That would destroy him to see what has become of some of his favorite brothers sons due to his actions Granted some how they get blamed by the inquisition

[@war_designer8763]

not just the guilt of what he did to his father, but add also the guilt of torturing Sanguinius to death and the part he played in Ferrus's death

[@kitwood4610]

"What would happen if he returned?" Abaddon kills him... again.

[@ericmacrae6871]

Nope because he will be full power this time. There is a reason why it was considered an imperfect clone

[@BluestTable]

@@ericmacrae6871abbadon has the full backing of chaos and 10,000 years to make himself stronger

[@jurnikovah7453]

Giving you the hardest side-eye right now.

[@insertedgynamehere]

Yet failed to kill calgar.​@@BluestTable

[@treznorify]

@@TennesseeRed especially since Horus got beat by some random Nurgle powered up human

[@26th_Primarch]

Honestly if Horus does return he technically wouldn't need a permanently physical body... In fact it's possible that Horus is leading the Legion of the Damned...

[@mohdshahariar5833]

Leading a legion he has no control over, and that hates him for his actions for eternity as self punishment is a very Horus thing to do

[@HellFox83]

I have to chime in on the idea of a redeemed Horus with this. You're right he would be hated by everyone, hence why any redeemed traitor Primarch would need to reinvent themselves. They could never be "Horus" or "Fulgrim" again. If Clone Fulgrim returned redeemed, he would likely be known as the Phoenix or some such in line with the Space Marine chapter, likely fighting a shadow war against chaos, perhaps with some allies. Redeemed Horus would have it even worse, he would be a "lone wolf", and it fits both narratively and with his wolf pelt aesthetic motif. Redeemed Horus would be THE Luna Wolf...the last of his kind still trying to do what is right in his father's name...alone. For such would be his penance for all that he has done. The Luna Wolf vs Black Legion would be akin to Abaddon vs Clone Horus again, only this time it would be the Black Legion getting bodied. The clash would be quite a comparison metaphorically speaking, because the Black Legion has fallen so far from what the Luna Wolves were that it would only make sense for a redeemed Horus, the exemplar of the Luna Wolves, to just beat them silly. Hell, after all, is to be in the place where you see either where you used to be and no longer are...or what you could have been if only you chose differently.

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

Yeah you’re right! Honestly it’s so interesting and I’d love to see how they’d deal with it especially with Horus

[@Talesfromthefoodofficial]

It would be cool if Horus disguised himself as the 2nd or 11th primearch to not acquire attention.

[@GambeTama]

Im trying to imagine the scene where the Blood Angels come upon Horus, they all start screaming his name in bloody murder, and the Commander starts to get real irritated about the noise the death company is making... only to realize that they haven't made landfall yet. A real One Piece facefall moment there, really XD

[@oatlord]

I've always thought Horus returning redeemed would be a great story potential. Returned to a strange time, hated by both sides, secretly trying to help the emperor.

[@lachlanevans5013]

I put this on that original short but there is actually a fanfiction called the Lupercalian redemption which is pretty self explanatory. My theory is that Horus will return on the vengeful spirit as a very damaged soul in the last Black Legion book, too damaged to be recovered or used for ressurection and can only have one final chat with Abaddon before fading into non-existence, getting taken from the emperor into the emperor’s realm or just remains and can only just watch everything from the first black crusade all the way up to the recent Lions return.

[@IVLoyalistIronWarriorLegionnai]

I've read that too great fic sad that the sequel died

[@marsha11str64]

He has a few people he can win over to use, The Average imperial Citizen (mortal), Adeptus Mechanicus, The TRUE First Primarch Legion, Necron, Inqusitor, Renegate Marine (with/without unknown geneseed), etc

[@martinbryaskov7709]

"Hi, I'm here to apply as an imperial guardsman. Oh, my name? My name is Horace Superman."

[@ZeroNumerous]

I think that Clonegrim having the "primarch aura" that confused and controlled the Emperor's Children shows that Fulgrim's soul is truly within the Clone.

[@pedrotrianirodriguez3825]

Horus Lupercal is by far my favorite Primarch of them all. The prodigial son who fell harder than all, such a tragedy. It would be amazing for him to return. I imagine him being surrounded by imperial forces, Guilliman and the Lion, and whoever else is there, all approaching, ready to attack, him trying to reason, to talk, but to no avail. Suddenly, a massive psychic wave of gold comes, and a scream is heard "ENOUGH!". Suddenly, two spectral figures appear behind Horus: the Emperor and Sanguinius. All bow down in respect, even the two brothers, and Horus is taken back to Terra. This image is ENGRAVED in my mind! Also, It could be that Horus, upon his death and liquefying of his body, was simply transported elsewhere, maybe by the Emperor himself, into the future, so that he could once more help lead humanity into the future.

[@marrowkaiproductions7053]

If Horus returns and does some redemption arch stuff then we'd need something like a New Chaos God, Full Power Wordbearers, the Full Tyranid Fleet or something else of that magnitude.

[@kentewer2320]

Competly new threat from non-“xeno” or chaos like a new dimension the howling

[@gadrielvanorion9872]

it reminds me of a jojos story about kira, who after the end spoiler spoiler spoilers becomes a ghost and then is eternally forced to roam around, never finding piece, not knowing who he is helping ppl, where before as he was alive he was a serial killer

[@spanishmountains4588]

In my mind, the way his redemption arc ends is after meeting with the Emperor. Big E shares a final few thoughts before finally dying. Putting Horus on the throne to replace his suffering and receive his atonement.

[@winningjubbly9712]

In the Heresy background book it says the final psychic bolt from the Big E was so powerful that the Four Gods fled Horus' body "to preserve themselves".

[@JoseTheKraken]

Horus returns, then goes on an epic quest to gather Sanguinius's soul since he destroyed it and fragmented it. Thus, only he knows where to look for it, and alas redeeming himself.

[@dollarsignmexican]

What're you on about!? Big E was talking about his door dash driver being late.

[@LocSec]

Oh boy, if Horus comes back as a good guy, the Blood Angels are gonna be sooo confused.

[@meanestgreen3320]

Plot twist. Horus coming back fills the blood angels with forgiveness and not rage

[@blueberry1vom1t]

I thought the idea was stupid, but as the video went on, I agree this would be super interesting to see. A primarch with no legion, no allies, nothing but the cloths on his back and the skills he's learned seeing the consiquences of everything wrong that has happened because of him. (mostly because of erebus but no one in the setting knows it's erebus's fault.)

[@emil2454]

Quick little addendum, the black legion does have someone like Bile, Skalagrim Phar, a former member of Bile’s consortium, who were students of Bile and in the end of the Bile trilogy he was delivered to Abaddon having eaten a cloned brain of Bile to gain a lot of his knowledge, if I remember correctly

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

I actually forgot they can eat brains to gain memories and knowledge

[@bosskaiju4834]

24:45 "Especialy someone wearing a wig, a begle pus and calling himself Boris" this part killed me

[@spacecowboy5486]

I really hope he doesn't tho. I didn't like that change on the end and the death 3, it felt too "standard" of a resolution

[@livefromtheblacklibrary]

Thats fair, I feel like the book tried too hard to be subversive at the end

[@Its_Cannon]

If we get Horus returning before Sanguinius, Horus’s personal mission would be to revive Sanguinius.

[@EliteCustodes]

Honestly, Horus' return-as crazy as it sounds-still makes more sense than Femstodes.

[@Khetsisal33]

Meanwhile Vulkan after seeing Horus reborn after 1.5 nanoseconds: BROTHER ITS YOU! HUGGIES!

[@Tarik360]

The most powerful "I-am-not-mad-you-ruined-everything-hug"

[@logandelaharpe6362]

Vulkan never liked Horus even before the hereasy

[@LordZero350]

You made very good points in the video and I agree that a redemption arc for Horus would be pretty interesting, especially since he would have to deal with the fact that he is the whole reason the Imperium is what it is now, but I personally think that bringing Horus back isn't a really good idea. For me, it takes away the significance of Sanguinius's sacrifice, it makes Abaddon and his journey to succeed where Horus failed even less significant, and I just think his death and the legacy he left behind is far more interesting rather than resurrecting him as part of another one of Big E's notoriously convoluted plans, it just feels cheap to me. Love your channel btw :)

[@michaelblackburn5756]

I would actually be interested in seeing a story in which Horus returned. Maybe he could link up with a loyalist Alpha Legion warband. They might be one of the few groups that would knowingly work with him.

[@changen4125]

Horus was Daddy's favorite by far. He IS the prodigal son, and like any prodigal son he will be welcomed by his father and scorned by his brothers.

[@CidGaius]

Completely silly headcanon: he is already back, reincarnated as Ciaphas Cain! But in all seriousness, I think the old lore still holds as the cult of the emperor’s official narrative while we as the readers and fandom know he’s not as destroyed as we thought

[@raymond-reviews]

Ciaphas Cain being the reincarnation of Horus would be funny. It would honestly explain why he seems to survive so many life threatening situations like if his dad was the Emperor using his powers to protect him behind the scenes.

[@predatitor4183]

Horus: NO! THIS CANT BE! **See the temples, see... their brothers, the ninth that defeat him in the heresy... in that moment, he realized the truth.** Horus: No... no... i cause this... i condemn my brothers, i condemn everyone that i love... brothers, sons... father... **Horus falls into his knees only watching what he have done.**

[@apalesch1]

I actually love this and totally agree. Horus was possessed, he was a puppet - if he is reborn I see him stalking the shadows of the galaxy like the Punisher. OR… a straight up pacifist on an agri-world who refused to engage and has been there for thousands of years already.

[@hansmercredi3636]

The thought of the emperor suffering for humanity stabs me in the heart every time I hear it

[@damianzotkowski4585]

Would be funny if Cypher could be Horus in discourse XD

[@totalNERD-eo7wx]

Horus is gonna need to learn the "Cardboard Box" technique from Corax

[@azkrouzreimertz9784]

Dorn did most of the lifting during the siege but sanguinius gets all the attention, sad😢

[@logandelaharpe6362]

Sanguinius was soloing titans bloodthristers and Angron And held the eternity gate alone For a time

[@darksider2903]

If Horus returns, i hope he returns as just a ghost who will point the way to the loyalists. Not as a functional primarch and with no hope of living again, trapped between life and death. It will be a fitting punishment for Horus after committing so many atrocities. I don't want to see Warhammer turn into like DC and Marvel where popular characters always return after death. It becomes boring.

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

But he is a mini god

[@boop2908]

In Wolfsbane we get a conversation between Horus and the Emperor

[@HhTt-cd4vb]

If he is revived he will rename himself, as John Warhammer and finally collect all 40,000 warhammers

[@adamredbeard5232]

I would love a Dan Abnett book about a returned Horus trying to come to terms with what he has done.

[@Kornoes]

I can see a scenario where Horus finds some of the thrice cursed Chaos Marines that still worship him and having some new power (like how the Lion can forest walk) to cleanse or teach his fallen sons to reject the Dark Gods, having done so himself.

[@Enderc14]

On the topic of Primarchs returning I as an iron hands fan personally believe that the best way to bring back ferrus manus would be to have his soul somehow interred into a robotic body something that goes directly against his beliefs leading to a wonderful story of him trying to convince his sons to not disregard flesh and emotion while being the very thing that his sons strive to be and watching him struggle to reconcile his new form with his personal beliefs and struggling with his own humanity

[@NightLordShadow]

Horus Heresy has returned for the Warhammer 40k

[@Dir_Grobbman]

I think (if he were still alive) Sanguinius would forgive Horus and would harbor him, i mean he tried to forgive Konrad.

[@winningjubbly9712]

Even when Horus became lucid again and regained his sanity, the reason he begged Pop's to kill him was because he knew he wasn't strong enough to resist the Chaos powers. Which means it doesn't bode well for any Horus reincarnation.

[@otakuap]

my head canon picture for him if he returns is that, he'd be kinda like the Penitent One from Blasphemous.

[@riverofmadness4996]

now I want a series of Horus trying to make his way through a galaxy against him

[@jonathanathor117]

17:50 HORUS!!!!!! YOU CAN"T ESCAPE ME!!!!!! I'LL CAHSE YOU TO THE ENDS OF THE GALAXY!!!!!!!!!

[@pyerack]

The fact that all the traitor primearchs have their souls in the warp being tormented really highlights to me just how much of an uphill battle dealing with Chaos is

[@maew150]

all the primarchs shocked and horus himself goes "Yeah honestly I'm as surprised as you guys are."

[@deityINSTINCT]

Big E and Horus are shown having a conversation when Big E introduces him to Russ in Wolfsbane

[@redenginner]

Somehow Horus has returned.

[@matthewspencer2094]

Hes the warmaster. A leader. He isn't cut out to be a cypher type character. I could see him becoming the primarch of last stands and hopless causes. When the imperium is evacuating the last titans and relics from a world; as the last astarties steps into their dropshop. A wolf emerges from the shadows to lead those which remain.

[@xxxxx3626]

If Horus ever returned I think emperor would guide him to the throne room to end emperor suffering to revive him by killing him and giving horus the role he was made for warmaster now against chaos legions to fight until emperor fully returns to finish the fight.(Of course this would end 40k but like it would be an ending like no other)

[@randomchaplain1519]

I mean, there is Sons of Horus warband called True Sons. They would be happy to hear Horus have returned