SCARY Close Call in Dubai?! | TWO Emirates Planes nearly COLLIDE on Runway

[@pilot709]

So much respect to how professional and detailed your videos are, unfolding almost every possibility and aspect that could be part of any event. Cheers !

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thank you, I'm glad you appreciate it!

[@pilot709]

@@GreenDotAviation As a professional pilot this is the first channel I find where aviation videos are made up to a high standard while putting everything on the table without being biased or making assumptions... just the actual scenario with possibilities. Respect !

[@Monothefox]

@@GreenDotAviation Listening to this a year later: have there been any updates?

[@crownkicker3609]

@@Monothefoxlistening 2 years later, any update?

[@alixena9340]

The fact that the crew kept on with the flight and over-wrote the cockpit voice recorder gives an indication that the captain knew they fucked up and did not want that recording getting out. They knew that the tape would be written over, and they had plenty of time to think about it whilst the brakes cooled.

[@ianmatthewkline8279]

I think this a reasonable interpretation and one that would definitely need to be answered for

[@killman369547]

This is why data recorders should be more sophisticated. There's no reason a modern data recorder shouldn't be able to capture not just a full flight but multiple full flights from engine startup to shutdown. And there's no reason that data can't be stored as a file on a drive that can't be overwritten.

[@dew9103]

25 hour cvr when

[@sharanyakedarnath4145]

I was on this flight on the night of Jan 9th 2022, returning to Hyderabad from Dubai EK 524...it was the most scariest experience of my life. Literally saw the other plane cross the runway infront of us on the screen after brakes were applied.. the brakes being applied at that speed surely was the scariest thing I've ever experienced.

[@ashash2389]

Omg......did they announce the incident to you passengers what just happend or why they breaked so hard and stopped??????? 😱😱😱

[@richardganesh406]

Bloody hell! That was a close call. Fate on your side that day. God bless.

[@sharanyakedarnath4145]

@@ashash2389 yes they did but only after heading back to the terminal. Said there was some miscommunication and they will be checking everything again and then only taking off.

[@sharanyakedarnath4145]

@@richardganesh406 yep 🤞🏽

[@ashash2389]

@@sharanyakedarnath4145 bloody hell 😱😱😱 so you got to know about this from media after you reached to your destination?????? How scary that might had been for you!!!!!

[@BowhuntingAfrica]

13 years with emirates. 9 of them as a captain on the 777 and I can see something nasty is going to happen. Crew have always been in fear of loosing their job for just about anything at ek and since the last cull during covid, I know for a fact it's even worse. No one wants to report sick for fear of being targeted and nerves are strained. Boeing crew are working extremely hard because emirates haven't recalled any pilots for that fleet. It's just a minefield over there. Commercial aviation is hard enough on pilots but ek make it a nightmare. You are given the DVD with all the training docs when you arrived so you should know everything, completing it to 100% perfection and that is their go to answer if ever you get something wrong. We all know this is the wrong way to go about things. Don't even get me started on the cultural issues with local pilots and management vs the expats. Unions are illegal. Locals are never wrong. That's in ATC as well as the airline. You find local cadets getting to sit in the captains seat of a Boeing 777 with a fraction of the experience compared to the rest of the world. Look at the details from ek521 crash in 2016 and the A310 that almost hit the tower in 2000. I highly recommend flying with someone else. . . . or take a boat.

[@NicolaW72]

Thank you for your insight informations! Definetely not an airline with which I want to fly! I fear they could run out of good luck.

[@AJ-yw5zy]

100% correct, Locals come straight out of the acadamy with zero real life experience, ILS to ILS, they flip flop through the rosters, picking the easier routes, Winter time in the Western Hemisphere, snow, wind, rain, ice etc, very rarely you will get a local on these sectors. You can't even mention it, or flag it in, the local will have a discussion with another, it's a downward spiral. There will never be a public investigation, it will be smoothed over, nationalities will not be disclosed, the EK marketing machine videos will spew out, just look at the last one. They think were all dum!

[@echo-trip-1]

Arab culture

[@alialajem4680]

@@echo-trip-1 what do you mean by Arab culture?

[@tumz5087]

This is worrying...☹

[@davidnavarro4821]

Taking off without permission is the main cause behind the Tenerife disaster. I’m surprised this wasn’t on newsflash! Big shoutout to the Air traffic controller who avoided disaster!

[@SK1717]

In his mind he had already received the take off clearance Not his fault

[@musiciwright624]

@@SK1717 The crew of flight 524 made the same mistake that Captain Jacob Van Zanten did.

[@splet__]

​@@SK1717 it's pretty much his fault but surely influenced by the situation, i would still trust him to fly me but as another pilot commented Just above this comment, Emirates Is stressing tf out of their pilots for various reasons

[@malcolmhardwick4258]

Taking off without permission is a big mistake not a small mistake !

[@Popsicle946]

As a commercial pilot myself it's quite an easy trap to fall into - esp if you're tired/fatigued. Many times I can recall getting a clearance to enter the active RW and then confirming with the tower if we're cleared for take off. Those moments prior to take off can be quite busy, a lot of radio chatter, completing the before TO check list etc etc. If in any doubt, always confirm if there is a clearance.

[@anniedcruz7025]

Good job Sir, 👍 many lives saved because of your right decision to reconfirming .

[@scaramonga]

One shouldn't be flying if fatigued/tired, period!, so there should be no trap to fall into, simple. All pilots should be fresh, alert, in sync, and not easily distracted. Had this cost the lives of 700+, then what I've said holds true, but just because it didn't, holds true even more so ;) It's a disaster that happened, even though, all survived, with the flip side of the coin being unthinkable.

[@Popsicle946]

@@scaramonga You make an extremely valid point and one that ran through my mind as I wrote the above. In aviation airlines shall bang on relentlessly about, 'our number one priority is safety' - it's not, it's money. As such most airlines I've worked for get extremely upset if you report sick/fatigued. There is a massive amount of commercial pressure on all crew and the fact is, airlines (at least in Europe) shall make your life extremely difficult if you're sick/fatigued too much. Personally I've been in trouble more than once due to standing up for my rights to protect my own health and that of the operation. Sadly, a lot of crew succumb to the pressure. To say I have a negative view of airline management is an understatement.

[@jason21jburg]

If truck drivers have to adhere to a working time directive why cannot this be enforced on pilots. I know of some ek pilots doing many back to backs

[@Popsicle946]

@@jason21jburg Pilots have the same sort of limitations, known as 'flight time limitations'. Unfortunately these are, in my opinion, as well a large number of my contemporaries, biased towards the commercial demands of the operators as opposed to flight safety. If any pilot complains you'll hear, 'but it's all legal' the clear inference is that the pilot is somehow problematic. To actually nail an accident down to fatigue caused by commercial pressure is almost impossible. If there is any evidence the accident was caused by fatigue the airline shall merely remark that the pilot should have reported sick and that they have a fatigue management system in place. The reality for pilots however is very different as I've seen a number of times first hand.

[@iliavko]

I was a cabin crew in EK, left in 2014. The crew and pilots are being worked to death. CC fly 120h+/m and pilots fly way over the limits. EK writes their own rules, the Aviation authority of UAE belongs to the same person who owns the airline.. The flight time limitations are a load of horseshit, it's all written in such a way that the airline can bend these rules to suit its needs.

[@aarondynamics1311]

It is this type of culture which causes accidents and incidents. Fatigue is just as dangerous as alcohol and has similar effects such as increased reaction times and lack of attention, which leads to basic errors like forgetting to read back an ATC transmission. Combine that with poor CRM training and you have an accident just waiting to happen. As of right now they have never had a fatal accident but they have had plenty of incidents caused by pilot error over the years, many of which have come far too close to disaster. These near misses should act as a clear warning to Emirates about the dangers of poor CRM and overworking their crew

[@weakneerose7614]

Don’t they requires to get least 8 hours of sleep per day? I don’t even know how they’re able input logbook if they go over the limit without falsifying the data.

[@honestymatters7516]

@@weakneerose7614 the problem is Emirates Airlines do not follow the same rules. They make their own rules and get away with it. Soon they will have more than a neat miss at the rate they are going.

[@AJ-yw5zy]

Totally agree, well said!

[@adw1z]

I believe it to be part of the Middle Eastern culture/etiquette unfortunately, the exact same is happening with Qatar airways too currently.. overworked staff, airlines only care about money over customers, slipping safety standards and work ethic is very poor. These are world class airlines, yet they all have these fundamental flaws deep down to their core - something must change

[@militaryav8r]

Between this, the runway overrun in December, and the January 18th diversion to St Petersburg, Emirates isn’t looking their best right now.

[@Tran3x72]

its getting less safe

[@sidkhan3758]

That's that shit 777 fault for Jan 18

[@Proparkourgamer]

I choose Etihad Airways over Emirates Airways.

[@callofdutybros100]

When covid started, emirates laid off most of their expat pilots, who were the most experienced in their fleet, in order to save the local emirati pilots, who lack the same experience/training quality (alot of emirates' old expat pilots were ex fighter pilots as well as experienced airline pilots). These increase in close calls isnt really a suprise, when you consider the vast majority of pilots still left at emirates, have much less flying time, I can only foresee this getting worse, as emirates continue to lay off experienced pilots, and it will only be a matter of time until the inevitable.

[@Titot182]

@@callofdutybros100 Something will unfortunately happen to trigger the paradigm shift in safety culture. So many near misses makes the bird triangle look somewhat critical. In 1977, it was very clear and apparent that Van Zanten was a complete and utter dick! If this was what was happening in the cockpit, then aviation has learnt nothing, but if it's human factor and psychology, then CRM and the culture will need a serious look at.

[@747-pilot]

I totally admire you for being a "straight shooter" and not trying to sugarcoat things to try and not offend anyone. The world needs to know the cold, hard truth! Keep up the good work!!

[@GreenDotAviation]

Glad you appreciate it! ❤️

[@LateNightCigars]

Yeah that's what that Mentour channel does, plays politics and tries not to offend anyone.

[@freedomofspeech766]

Greendot and mentour are the best youtube channels I've come across@@LateNightCigars

[@gaminghub8108]

I can’t believe how such a good airline had such a near incident. I’m a passenger on Emirates and I really love their service but later one night I returned from an Emirates flight. I was visiting family in Canada and was flying Emirates back to Dubai, and when I got home, I saw this notification pop up on basically every news app I had with very similar captions. Some of these are “Two Emirates flights nearly collide on takeoff, passengers shock on what they saw on their in-flight entertainment systems” or “Near collision of two Emirates Boeing 777s, what investigators found in the flight recorder was shocking”. The whole day I though about this. ‘How could such a good airline have such a bad near incident?..’ then I found this video. Explaining every single thing that happened. Keep up the good work!

[@paganini18]

This incident is mostly because of the atc and from that distance from both planes it would be hard for one pilot to see the other plane

[@heinzmeier2]

@@paganini18 it‘s not ATC s fault, at max a contributing factor. Lack of situational awareness for both crews would describe it

[@CW-rx2js]

Service doesn't matter as much of your safety is compromised. Personally, I find Emirates service to be overrated. I was flying in a group to Croatia on a vacation and they misplaced our luggage and delayed it by 2 days. our entire trip held up because of this and we weren't given any compensation. Since then I avoid Emirates. Personally I find Qatar Airways to be much better in terms of service.

[@juniorcampbell2980]

Something isn't right at Emirates. Let hope it gets addressed soon.

[@ashvinikumar716]

@path op reading other comments, it's more like they are facing consequences of laying off their more experienced expat pilots who were more experienced... Let's hope they recover before a catastrophic incident

[@salmashaikh5339]

@Alfred Weber plz dnt say dis my husband work for emirates he is cc....

[@abeesohussain8389]

@@salmashaikh5339 is your husband emirati citizen?

[@srinitaaigaura]

It's always management. Bloody incompetent bean counters.

[@TheRealNTSBlol]

Air Canada, Etihad, and Lufthansa better.

[@wmapouka8113]

I was in Dubai on the day this incident happened, and there was not ONE WORD in the local media about it. Not in the local newspapers, not on TV, not on local websites. People were only able to find out via foreign media outlets.

[@d.b.cooper1]

I mean this isn’t uncommon globally, can think of countless recent events in USA which never made any news other than aviation sites etc.

[@dactrr]

Strange… No 1. Emirates plane nearly crashes into buildings No 2. Emirates plane’s nearly collide? No 3. Emirates Aircraft diverted to St. Pet (Russia) ? Strange… Many Emirates incidents occurring recently

[@dactrr]

Saint Petersburg

[@Matt-tufc]

I landed in Dubai this exact day on Emirates and was nervous due to the near-miss of the rooftops last month...now this! Terrifying

[@leviisenia]

I departed DXB a day before this incident, haha. My dad flies for EK and he believes that the reason is due to fatigue or just overall exhaustion.

[@Matt-tufc]

@@leviisenia christ. Hopefully these videos get seen by the airlines and they do something about it! They have a good reputation but it can change in an instant. I love these videos but when flying it makes me nervous 🤣

[@leviisenia]

@@Matt-tufc Agreed! haha, my father said that the overall safety aspect of the training could be better and the situation itself could be handled a lot better. I'm afraid EK will most likely blame the staff instead of their selves in order to keep their image.

[@skahwachannel]

it's just gna be a matter of time ⏲️....unsafe work culture 😤

[@Planes-001]

I departed 30 minutes before emirates flight 521 ( I think its 521) the crash in 2016

[@sedatedape315]

One other thing to consider, which seemed to happen with the Canary Island accident, was radio traffic being "stepped over." Both Emirate pilots could have broadcast their read back at the same moment. I experienced this often during my military service. I worked voice communications and two or three units/ships/stations would key the mic at the same time. I needed time to find out who was calling me and which instructions they were replying to. Could be the ATC heard a garbled reply and only thought it was the aircraft responding that it was cleared to cross the runway. But in reality both aircraft could have been replying simultaneously..?

[@GreenDotAviation]

Yes, that's definitely a possibility.

[@MarkPentler]

Incidentally this is why AM is used on airband rather than FM, but it isn't perfect and you can't always hear both transmissions. But sometimes you can hear enough (say, ATC transmits over the top of a craft with a stuck mic)

[@EannaButler]

These close calls are nearly more sinister than actualised accidents. The fear is that near-misses don't result in the same level of scrutiny, national and FAA reports, recommendations to the industry. In this case, Readbacks to be mandatory until take-off, maybe aspects of the checklists to be in a more complete state before runway crossings, ... Readbacks are the last chance for confirmation bias to be interrupted - "No, you're wrong....".

[@EannaButler]

Depending on the human voice too over lo-fi radio, it needs to be supported by technology solution, a remotely-controlled system of clearances that appear as lights on the instruments - maybe including tracking the taxiway using GPS , "In 40 meters, turn right".

[@greggstrasser5791]

@@EannaButler To much money. Just have a red, yellow, green sign.

[@jtveg]

@@EannaButler That is an excellent idea and something that could be easily and affordably implemented by airports and aircrafts as part of the transponder system. As simple only 3 LEDs indicating red=stop, yellow=taxi, and green=takeoff clearance. That could be the basic system and more complex systems with text and integration that won't allow or warning horn notifying you the PIC that they are turning on the wrong taxiway etc...

[@weakneerose7614]

@@jtveg sad thing is there is already Light system in the airport. It is call REL/THL “Runway Entrance Light/Takeoff Hold Light. Unfortunately in this case pilot missed both communication and airport light. Cpt of this flight won’t be flying for very long time or possibly terminated for the incident for sure. Runway incursion between two aircraft must be reported.

[@polvereoro86]

@@greggstrasser5791 good for night but not for daylight

[@Dakiraun]

Yikes... another incident less than a month from the last; not looking good for the pilot training culture at Emirates. Kudos to the air traffic controller for paying such close attention and averting a disaster.

[@twobins2060]

Very worrying. In this day and age you'd expect voice recordings to be available for days or weeks. The reliance solely on radio instructions is also a worry. I wonder has runway takeoff lighting signals ever been considered to run in parallel with voice instruction from the tower? Probably give the ATC too much work.

[@jensaugust743]

While the "black box" CVR indeed has been overwritten, the cockpit voice recordings are still available for download from the acquisition unit days after the incident. Which presumably has been done.

[@PhetogoNoore]

I’m ex crew at Emirates and fatigue is a major issue there.

[@bogo_wanderlust3692]

I guess it is something general in arabian flights also qatar and etihad may have similar situation

[@kuro9410_ilust]

@@bogo_wanderlust3692 arabs with their oil rich ego that's why

[@jeffreysureejamie2547]

Not specifically picking on Emirates, but with the onset of Covid and resulting flight cancellations. I had a fear of this sort of thing for the industry. Lack of experience/shifts, job security concerns, recurrency, etc. would cause operation issues like this.

[@midou528]

Exactly, I am a cabin crew at Emirates and I have noticed so much change after covid, many rookie pilots, shortage of staff and etc. I’m sure there will be a recovery soon tho

[@engage3085]

I hadn't thought of that part of it. I was definitely concerned about airlines cutting corners with maintenance like Alaska airlines. The less reputable companies may try to save a buck or two

[@CirrusPilot]

The ATC audio would make this video a 10/10. The tone and clarity of ATC here would already shed light on the expectation bias scenario.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Hopefully we'll get access to the tapes eventually! Would love to include them here.

[@PoochieCollins]

@@GreenDotAviation any follow-up on this case? I searched the Web a bit and found nothing about investigation conclusions.

[@weaaray7239]

@@PoochieCollins There is report issued on 20 February 2024 if u still wanna update.

[@shedactivist]

After such a shocking experience I can't belive they were allowed to continue to fly that night. That is just as damming as the incident itself.

[@pahvi3]

Exactly! The lack of oversight and correct procedure for a near-miss situation is baffling, and (some day) deadly.

[@lisaa8795]

@Matt Prosser What is the procedure? Doesn't it depend on the behavior of the flight crew: that they roll back to the terminal? Is there a procedure to stop them if they don't return?

[@XDKnoori]

@@pahvi3 .

[@pahvi3]

@@lisaa8795 Every country has different procedures pertaining to near miss incidents. ATC also have the authority to forbid a takeoff of course. Additionally airlines have their own safety procedures and should have guidelines about near misses. Regulatory agencies like the FAA also enforce different procedures (again, this is different in every country and agency). What I mean is that's it's absolutely horrifying that none of these instances could prevent this plane from taking off.

[@josephconnor2310]

Agree

[@lorifitzgerald2891]

Given the lack of crew resource management displayed by Emirates of late and over time, don't think I would ever fly with them.

[@greggstrasser5791]

You can cut the steak with a fork.

[@simongx1553]

bruh emirates is the best airplane i always fly with them

[@777guy5]

For now i reccomend to stop flying with emirates until they fix the problem

[@africanayasmin6210]

@@777guy5 they will never fix any problems! Is a cultural thing in the muddle east and other third world countries. They don’t follow any rules . Your safety is at risk flying these airlines

[@smith_got_keys_1738]

Emirates is facing a lot of difficulties these past 2 months

[@smith_got_keys_1738]

@Ben Chuft for sure mate... Its sad 😔 & everyone is flocking to dubai for the Expo

[@ActiveAussie2024]

I 've only flown with them once. Mostly used Qantas, Thai, and China Southern for business and pleasure up till March 2020. Won't be using Qantas anymore in future, but not because of safety concerns.

[@Tomtom88983]

To be honest (unfortunately) I think it's expected due to lack of recency from pilots due to COVID. pilots aren't flying as much, or are recently only just beginning to fly again. There was also a near miss in Europe where an American airliner nearly landed on the runway an Easyjet A320 was about to depart on.

[@CW-rx2js]

​@@ActiveAussie2024 Yeah Qantas is the world's safest airline

[@PlanesAndGames732]

I never heard of that one... if things continue as they are, a disaster is bound to happen

[@masr8875]

Here's a stupid question: why don't they put traffic lights on the runways? - red = no ground traffic allowed (e.g. because the runway is closed/not in use, or an aircraft is landing) - yellow = ground traffic cleared to enter the runway (or cross it/taxi on it) - green = aircraft is cleared for take off You could even add a big light at both ends of the runway, so incoming traffic knows they should go around if the big light isn't red.

[@intuitivAviationnews]

From what I have heard before regarding working at Emirates, this issue is part of a broader problem including the pressure the staff is under. The continuation of the flight could be a deliberate action for avoid major sanctions due to less evidence being available. I would suggest a few very logical steps that could and should have been take decades ago: -1- The voice recorder should have capacity for 48 hours of recording as well as the flight data recorder. -2- The recorded data must be uploaded to a server for long term storage (10years). -3- The recorded data must be made available not only for investigations but also for evaluation and training purposes. -4- Those freaking prehistoric radios must be replaced with modern clear sounding radios. The old crappy system can be used as a backup and during the transition period. -5- Basic messages related to landing and takeoff should also be transmitted digitally and displayed on the main monitor of both the flying and the monitoring pilot. -6- And for the morons: place traffic lights on and next to the runways.

[@NicolaW72]

Yes.

[@olaflieser3812]

Why yes you are right! All of the points you've risen. Can only give you one "Like" though. It is totally amazing just how behind aviation is in some ways, including with some technology. Amazing: "Traffic lights", sort of, or in this case underfloor lights - a bar of red lights across the TWY, cannot be missed - are used in Europe (and maybe elsewhere) at the hold-short position on taxiways, so as to avoid wrong rwy crossings - why not on a runway itself to visibly disallow departure by the TWR until the actual clearance is issued?

[@intuitivAviationnews]

@@olaflieser3812 There will be many excuses to why changes is not possible or difficult, but the fact is, changes are been implemented all the time and some really need to be implemented sooner than later, especially with some technology having matured already.

[@kimcelarmycx229]

5. This is already done in a handful of cases using the ACARS system. The 777, A350, 787 show a map on the airport on the ground including taxiways and can alert pilots if they're taking off on the wrong runway. 4. The radios in the air on the aircraft itself and from ATC are much clearer than the recordings from the ground by LiveATC. The reason why the recordings of ATC we hear are so staticy and poor quality is that they come from radio scanners inside people's houses who provide this as a live feed for enthusiasts

[@6yjjk]

Take-off clearance should also be accompanied by the wind, whereas a crossing instruction will not. Obstacle detection systems that automatically show a red stop bar across the runway in situations like this already exist, and might have helped here.

[@auwz66]

Runway occupation lights are used at quite a few airports in the US. I would have thought somewhere like DXB would have had them

[@paalosordoni7932]

I was on a Emirates flight from London to Dubai and then on to Bangkok around 17 years ago, as we were coming into land at Dubai it was all normal , we were told too fasten our seat belts , you could feel the plane slowly descending and slowing down when all of a sudden the engines went into full power and we started climbing rapidly and steeply, the captain came on the tannoy system and calmly as anything said " Sorry ladies and Gentlemen there was a plane still on the runway"

[@TescoRoadman]

Lmao the announcement sounds so casual 😂

[@shanghaidiscovery2664]

I always hated flying from Europe to Asia with Emirates.... All flights stop in Dubai in the middle of the night and there is always this very artificial excitement within the airport that has always seemed so unnatural to me in the middle of the night. I also remember a flight from Cyprus to Dubai and the cabin crew was so busy recollecting their couple days off that we took off with half of the overhead luggage compartments open. And when they realized it, they seemed as this was normal or they couldn't care less. Not a danger to the whole aircraft but still pretty sure that's not supposed to happen

[@CW-rx2js]

Of course that's not supposed to happen and that's a key part of a flight attendant's job. It can be very dangerous during take off, landing and turbulence and cause luggage to fall out and injure people.

[@thehighlander959]

Very few subservient First Officers will question the Aircraft Captains authority in the Middle East or Asia. Absolute arrogance...

[@TheHobade]

True, but they are famous for backstabbing with the confidential reporting scheme.

[@richardcrawford2051]

LAX has red centre line lights in front of aircraft waiting to take off when another aircraft is crossing. Would appear to be a cheap additional safety measure.

[@ActiveAussie2024]

That's good to know. Sydney and BKK airports should do this too. Both confusing and dangerous.

[@BobbyGeneric145]

Runway Status Lights. Literally ATC cannot override them.

[@aarondynamics1311]

This feature should be mandatory for every airport

[@JeanClaudeCOCO]

I see it happen all the times on Airline Videos Live at LAX at night. Even in the day the lights come on.

[@robthomas5719]

Great video. Back years ago, we enjoyed the M11 high speed exit from 30L (to private apron) until someone hotfooted onto 30R in front of departing Singapore Airlines and ended that great shortcut. The importance of "home base focus" might be an issue as some EK crew could be (and probably are) over-tired and less vigilant at the airport they operate out of every day.

[@TescoRoadman]

Being fatigued shouldn’t even be a plausible scenario It’s the same reason why drivers of semi trucks in Europe can only drive so far before needing to take a mandatory rest period and this is recorded by their truck, so if they disobey then they could lose their job Surely there’s something like that in place when working for an airline? If not that’s kinda scary. To me it sounds like what others are suggesting here, they know they made a mistake so chose to take off and land so that the CVS would be erased and evidence destroyed

[@SR-xv8de]

Final report is out. It states they mistook a "clearence to line up" for a takeoff clearence and did a rolling takeoff. Its seems the captain wasnt sure if they were cleared for takeoff and asked the FO who said they were cleared for takeoff.

[@VinayKumar-fj2kg]

There should be absolutely no room for words like "misheard" or "misspoken" or "misunderstood' when you have the responsibility of hundreds of lives and millions are at stake. And I mean all the guys who say or hear or are involved in any other way to influence the actions during any phase of the flight. This is carelessness and should be dealt with ruthlessly with the highest order of punishment.

[@TheOCDrummer]

This is very disturbing. It’s a 777 and a major international airline. This should be all over the news that two jumbo jets by same airline almost collided.

[@dayfamily8319]

As an air traffic controller the winds are relayed with any takeoff clearance. Either before or after the departure runway is transmitted. Such as “wind 020 at 7 runway 30R cleared for takeoff. Or runway 30R winds 020 at 7. A lot of the time the crews are given a heading (fly runway heading) along with the rest of the takeoff clearance. I can understand the bias to a point but you are correct with never using “clear or cleared” aside for landing and takeoff. Also, the work cleared FOR takeoff and cleared TO land. For and to will not be interchangeable to help with the basic phraseology to avoid confusion. Great video!!

[@martinsvoboda367]

Love your videos! Keep it up! Are there any updates on this incident? Have the tapes been released?

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thank you! I’m not sure actually, I’ll have to check!

[@jenseninsulation2202]

Emirates is a multi-cultural entity with pilots having widely varying familiarity with clearly spoken English. Pilots seem to either garble their radio calls, cut them off short or speak as if in a tired despairing daze. I am amazed that such important communications are not more disciplined in delivery or automated. Glass cockpits cannot act as repeaters for ATC instructions? Or are aircraft cockpit technologies far in advance of the guidance technology in an airport control tower?

[@lutimstrickshots9253]

I didn't even know that I was on the flight headed to Bengaluru until I confirmed the flight number and date. I was returning home after an amazing 5 day holiday in Dubai. It's insane how close to dying I was!

[@nageeb96]

SLOPPY kills. Emirates culture has a lot to be Desired to be sure. but money talks and people look the other way. this will not last.

[@thirza9508]

My guess is that these pilots knew damn well they hadn't got clearance, and/or realized it with plenty of time to stop that they hadn't. They flew anyway to destroy evidence, which is criminal in my opinion.

[@hamoodtatari]

This is really worrying the near accidents are starting to occur way too often… now. Like when I was flying out of Dubai a couple weeks ago I had a bit of fear from the near miss crash on buildings

[@danielsfedoreks2479]

Flying to Dubai in couple of weeks with the a380. Honestly not really enjoying these incidents

[@AH-bs5wr]

@@danielsfedoreks2479 a380 is safer, only very professional pilots fly it u don’t have to be worry lol

[@africanayasmin6210]

@@AH-bs5wr no they are using their local emirati freshly out of school to fly these planes, with not so much experience! You are better off with a western airlines

[@AH-bs5wr]

@@africanayasmin6210 my uncle is Greek Professional pilot that flies a380 , U r being fooled my boy

[@aseem7w9]

​@@AH-bs5wrthe standards for foreigners is much higher than local emirates citizens, both in 777 and 380

[@The_Official_Sarohan]

Its really scary what could happen, just because of a simple mistake, and whats scarier is I have flown EK524 before and have family members that fly on EK524. Luckily no one got hurt and the ATC stopped them.

[@heartfeltteaching]

Yikes. I’ve flown Emirates many times and had no idea things were this bad.

[@thehighlander959]

Same here over one million air miles too.

[@heartfeltteaching]

@Alfred Weber Okay. I'm not a pilot so not sure what you're referring to.

[@DEEDEE-xh3dh]

@Alfred Weber where?

[@KohlerSAStudios]

Can someone please explain this to me. I have an app on my phone that can track each aircraft in the sky, speed , heading and altitude. If I can have that on my phone why can’t pilots have some kind of display of all aircraft around them like I have on my phone. That way these pilots might have seen the other plane crossing the runway when they were about to take off. I know all aircraft have TCAS but that only warns pilots if one plane is getting to close for comfort. So why don’t aircraft have a screen that can display all other traffic around them like I have on my phone app

[@TheHobade]

They do. But are inhibited on the ground to avoid nuisance TCAS warnings! TCAS is still used for ground radar.

[@merkin22]

"their" luck? Surely the luck that will run out will be that of passengers on board one of the flights! Excellent video, as always. Thanks!

[@DaveDepilot-KFRG]

about half the time, i get "cleared to cross rwy 31L". it's much more common than you assume.

[@RossTheNinja]

This is disgusting how they tried to take off without clearance or at least reading it back. Worse is how they decided it would be a good idea to fly afterwards.

[@lewisrt101]

The word Cleared is no longer used in runway crossings. The act of giving crossing is not a clearance but an instruction, thus ATC would say "Cross Rwy03R, not cleared to cross". This was changed by ICAO many years ago.

[@himanshuraj3253]

As expected phenomenal video and even great descriptions and speculations of what could have gone wrong . I was eagerly waiting for this to come out . Great work !!

[@GreenDotAviation]

Glad you enjoyed it 😎

[@apackwestbound5946]

Another nice video. "May not be long before their (Emirates) luck runs out". Yeah, I'm afraid you are correct.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Fingers crossed these incidents serve as wake-up calls.

[@quadraticfunction8045]

I almost booked tickets with Emirates and just thought to see what's happening at Emirates on KZbin before paying. I saw this news and people talking in comments about something similar happened recently so definitely not going with them ever!

[@sparkymalarky4322]

Never had an issue flying with emirates.. 2 times in a month is scary. I get the feeling the 3rd won't be so

[@gauribadukale2397]

00:02 man idk why but this song makes me sooo greatful to be alive

[@jnsnn]

it tingles something in me it feels like i’ve heard it before but i haven’t

[@Anthony-gq7dk]

Great but shocking video , so well narrated and with all the details and potential scenarios . Well done

[@andreab1604]

Tenerife Incident occurred under totally different circumstances. I don't understand why they say it was similar situation.

[@AllTimeAesthetic]

I was confused about that as well… googled it and looks like there was another incident there where 2 planes collided on the runway.

[@-yeme-]

why do CVRs only loop 2 hours of recording? I have a 128GB SD card in my phone that could probably hold literally weeks of voice recordings. I know they would use more expensive, higher grade memory chips for CVRs but still, a far greater capacity that could hold a recording of the entire flight would be an insignificant fraction of the cost of the system, much less the plane as a whole

[@gomezeee]

Another possibility is Controller: EK5-- Cleared to cross RWY30R Both aircraft read back at the same time (one reads back cleared takeoff RWY30R and the other cleared to cross RWY30R) with the crossing aircraft a little slower on the readback. This results in garbled transmission followed by the correct call sign. The controller would then try figure out who else was talking and since the aircraft crosses the runway they got the instruction. The controller would then be watching the crossing aircraft (at the other end of the RWY) to see when they can issue the take off clearance, hence the delay in noticing the aircraft rolling for takeoff. Both aircraft would then begin to move as both flight decks believe they have been cleared to carry their respective actions on RWY30R.

[@crypton7572]

earlier this year 2 domestic indigo airline flights flying over bengaluru almost collided mid air the same month this had happened

[@00muinamir]

Imagine very nearly causing Tenerife 2.0 and then just casually taking off half an hour later like nothing happened...

[@greggstrasser5791]

How do you do that? Hang out at the end of the runway & get behind someone?

[@robertj5208]

Wouldn't they need to test their brakes, by regulation?

[@ReefKeepin]

Lmao, I’ll assume you’ve never flown a jet or worked for an airline. If you think pilots should return to gate to meditate on their actions every time they make a mistake. Almost all airlines would close down over night. Should they have gone back to the gate for time out? And for how long? Lol.

[@lisaa8795]

@@ReefKeepin Not just a mistake. Your attitude would seem to indicate there have been a lot more of these. That's a pretty scary prospect for a passenger to consider.

[@ReefKeepin]

@@lisaa8795 true however all businesses are like this. Go talk to any nurse or doctor and you’ll never want to step foot in a hospital. There is just some jobs that involve a ton of risk and you have to mitigate it, but it never works 100%

[@toluej]

When they went to cool the brakes for about 30min, why didnt flight control send a ground crew to direct them back to the gates??or was that order given and disobeyed? lastly, traffic control were the same people that guided them back to the runway to take off the second time. So this is both a pilot error and traffic control error (including how both departments are trained).

[@IloveCamels335]

Okay but to be honest what would that have changed. The error had already happened and thankfully an accident was avoided. What would the point have been except for delaying the passengers from their journey. And Investigation of the incident can still be done afterwards as tower has the recordings of the communications with the pilots. Having said that, am not downplaying these incidents they are worrisome to say the least.

[@toluej]

@@IloveCamels335 IT all depends on what the airlines policy is to such a mistake. When we hear the recordings then we may know what actually happened and how they plan on preventing such in the future

[@IloveCamels335]

@@toluej Yes agreed. But I checked several airlines many of them have just that . Brake cooling off for 15 mins then continue with take off. Which is probably what Emirates has as well as they cooled brakes waiting for 30 mins and then they were on their way

[@chandrachurniyogi8394]

in recent years Emirates has been faltering especially in terms of crew resource management & services . . . probably the ever confusing post pandemic times is taking a toll . . .

[@BobbyGeneric145]

Lots of condemning comments by people who have no experience in the industry. One guy even calling the crew actual criminals! Enthusiasm for aviation does not an expert make. As someone with a decade of 121 flying, I'll tell you what I see from Green Dots excellent impartial video : -A mistake was made, or pilot deviation to be technical. Ya it could have been really bad. But I can tell you firsthand, after flying for thousands of hours out of the same airport, things start to blend together. I can't tell you how many times Ive had to confirm Im cleared to land literally seconds after receiving landing clearance, or ask a controller to repeat simple taxi instructions. The difference here is that the crew in a 200 ton airliner neglected to ask for verification. Does that make them "criminals"? No. It simply makes them pilots who deviated from atc instructions. -a few have mentioned c0vid causing degredation in skills. In the USat least, we are required to have 3 takeoffs and landings every 90 days to retain currency. Rona did interrupt that, but even if this crew didn't fly for a year, they would have at a minimum been given currency training. -the biggest overt error I saw was after the fact. Now I have no idea what Emirates opspecs and procedures are, but at my airline, if we performed a high energy abort we are required to contact our dispatcher to perform a "minimum turnaround time" brake cooling calculation. Aborts above a certain speed also requires involving maintenance. Additionally, they are now much closer to minimum fuel after a takeoff attempt and waiting for the brakes to cool. It seems as if the cancel culture mentality/stupidity has now reached commercial aviation according to some of these comments. Let the professionals make the assessments and save the uneducated judgments for the 15 year old celebrity tweets.

[@bluecoffee8414]

I cannot comprehend how pilots keep up with all the rapid-fire radio communications. Is there any tech coming soon that replaces static-laden radio communications? Wouldn't that be a massive dreamlike imorovement for pilots? Oh and .... Do you think the pilots will get in trouble for allowing the CVR to be over-ridden in this incident?

[@BobbyGeneric145]

@@bluecoffee8414 CPDLC replaces voice for certain things. If it was the cvr they were concerned about, those things can be erased... Typically the aircraft needs to be in a very specific configuration for the cvr to be erased.

[@TheHobade]

@thefactorypilot145 Most ATC in Dubai are Expats and are as sharp as any EASA, Aussie, or FAA controller. I would agree here that Emirates have taken some management from ryanair and the staff are just scared.

[@TheHobade]

Scared of losing their job over bully management rules and decisions.

[@mattiasmartens9972]

I really appreciate these videos about recent close calls-excellent reminder that the strong safety record of commercial aviation in the past few decades balances on a knife's edge.

[@DelfinaKS]

Very clear explanation of the events. Yes, I understand the circumstances under which they thought they were cleared when they were not. However, to pretend nothing unusual happened and to continue the flight as normal was irresponsible, criminal behavior of the crew. If the airline officials did not take action against this, then they are also harderned criminals.

[@paddychester]

thanks for the video. as a regular customer of emirates its good to be informed. after watching about the take off incident last month this is just is too much for a concidence or bad luck. Clearly the culture and pressure are being pushed to the limits. Some of the comments below from ex-pilots are worrying..maybe time to re-think which airline I should be using.

[@sandraalbuquerque1486]

Ex Emirates professional myself for 10Y. Chose an European airline which has above international authorities that regulate with integrity these issues. UAE hides all. So, but so dangerous.

[@mujtaballa3105]

@@sandraalbuquerque1486 what about Qatar? Are they good airlines?

[@C2K777]

Normal protocol when there are similar callsigns active is to say something to the effect of: "Emirates 588. CAUTION. Similar callsign, Emirates 568 present. Acknowledge". Along with the same call, reversing callsigns, is given to the other flight. This is normally done when pushback is authorised. If such an advisory, with it's requirement to acknowledge, isn't given it's calculated that there are two similar enough to be a factor. That said whilst I know this to be pretty standard in the west I'll admit I don't know if it's also done in the middle east.

[@Rybo-Senpai]

A thought on why the Pilots of the departing aircraft, something I like to call Get Going Itis, so focused on going that they weren't paying as much radio attention as they should have. Much like in the KLM Panam Crash of Tenerife, the KLM Pilot had a severe case of get going itis and given his time as a Flight Simulator Trainer had gotten so used to issuing his own ATC clearances he took off without explicit permission, coupled with the non standard phraseology used by the Tenerife controllers.

[@CW-rx2js]

I think the pilots flew onto their destination without reporting the incident at the gate on purpose. They knew they had made a mistake and would probably get reprimanded for it so they avoided going back and just flew to their destination, knowing that the CVR would be re-recorded and their conversations would be erased

[@sunman20002007]

Was in flight 524 that night taking basinet seats with a screen in front of us and seeing the other plane crossing the runway and brakes being applied so hard .. everything happened in a moment . I remember flight pilot announcing later that it is the other flight mistake

[@ItsAllAboutGuitar]

Why do so many people say "near miss"? It WAS a miss! It was a near HIT!

[@bangtanluv.3403]

the possible scenarios is so scary! how do they let jet lagged or fatigued pilots fly planes? that’s absolutely horrible what could’ve happened

[@TescoRoadman]

Yah that shouldn’t even be a plausible scenario It’s the same reason why drivers of semi trucks in Europe can only drive so far before needing to take a mandatory rest period and this is recorded by their truck, so if they disobey then they could lose their job Surely there’s something like that in place when working for an airline? If not that’s kinda scary

[@Frilleon]

I don’t think pilots are as jetlagged as people think. The rules are very clear about how much rest pilots must get and they are very conservative in my personal opinion. What happened here was the pilot wasn’t sure if they were cleared and he asked the FO and the FO said that they were cleared.I don’t know about why there was no readback

[@srccde]

3:05 That's... an interesting explanation. I've been taught the reason they say 'niner' is to avoid confusion with the German 'Nein' (means 'no') which is pronounced exactly the same as 'nine'...

[@Simone_-dj3xz]

Can someone tell me why all these incidents that Emirates had recently are on triple 7s?

[@neddiecn6343]

Because the A380 is too good and will never have a crash.

[@pa659]

Most of Emirates A380s are still in storage due to the Pandemic

[@neddiecn6343]

@@pa659 Yeah and hopefully when all of them become active again, the pilots are fully trained. The A380 has not been involved in single hull loss since it entered service in 2007. It's a masterpiece!!!

[@christopherwolner-hanssen9805]

That’s a scary close call! Wow these videos of yours are amazing!!!

[@GreenDotAviation]

Way too close. And thanks! 😊

[@ActiveAussie2024]

I d flown a lot up till March 2020 for work/ business and pleasure all over Asia and Australia. People who think flying and airports are totally safe nowadays are wrong. Some airports are not safe, e.g., Sydney, LA, Bangkok. A lot of runway incursions at these. Still a lot of pilot error too. Its only a matter of time before a major disaster occurs. That a Canary Islands type disaster almost occurred in the UAE is indeed very disturbing.

[@mpsangha]

You're delusional. I flew the most in my life in 2021 domestically in the US because my career took off (And yes in person, not at home or remotely). I feel very safe flying in the US transcontinental and especially Delta Airlines (hub in Detroit). It's unfortunate thY most of these close calls we see nowadays are in 3rd world countries, Indonesia, India, Dubai, etc. Flying is a safe as ever in history. Don't get it twisted. But yes, there will always be bad, dangerous apples who will try to destroy it (like the couple of dumbass drivers I see on my daily commute, there must be pilots,/atc like that too...)

[@Deedat101]

Sydney Airport not safe??

[@pianoandaviationandtravel2209]

Remember when this airport in Honduras Airport is not safe? They got rid of it because of mountains? A lot of passengers hate that airport. Luckly, I never been there but I do not like that approach. Planes land hard at that airport.

[@neddiecn6343]

Since 2017, I've flown with Emirates on both there A380 and 77W long haul to/from Melbourne 🇦🇺 and have never had any issues. Flying is the best thing to ever happen and is totally safer than your taxi ride to/from the airport.

[@IloveCamels335]

@@mpsangha First Dubai is not a Country and if UAE Is „3rd world“ for you then you are clearly delusional. Detroit wishes to have infrastructure like Dubai

[@jeremybuckway]

How can I record a hundred movies on a drive the size of my wallet and they record the cockpit voice recorder on a 2 hour loop? What am I missing ?

[@MazharAliz]

Thanks for the video. Here the details were suppressed and we came to know after few days that "something happened". Its a major blunder and even major is letting the flights involved continue without investigation

[@sheilafinlay3679]

I've been flying with emirates for the past 12years and never had a problem...thinking of flying this April with them to see my sister but after watching this video,I don't want to go anymore.scary!!

[@swole3229]

With all your training to become a commercial airline pilot, how on earth do you take off without clearance from the tower?

[@nooneknows9545]

Almost another Tenerife. As mentioned by others, because of the break due to Covid some skills are a bit rusty. Some refresher courses/ simulator time might be needed.

[@christopherdoherty9274]

Crews where all current in these incidents

[@BobbyGeneric145]

Appropriate username for the comments on this video.

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

Except these two aircraft never even got close to each other

[@sibtainbukhari5447]

Very concerning to see yet another major potentially catastrophic indicent in such a short space of time from Emirates. I am really worried Emirates may be running out of luck very soon.

[@richardkrentz7553]

Why do they call it a 'Near Miss? It was a near HIT!!!!

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

They were a mile apart

[@darkmatters3821]

I think George Carlin said that once lol

[@lisaa8795]

@@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549 A mile is not much of a margin for error at that speed.

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

@@lisaa8795 there’s a lot of aircraft within a mile when you’re at an airport

[@Ztbmrc1]

Great video, nice sim! I expected this modern airport to be fitted with the stop light system. (sorry forgot the name). I would have given the B777 at the beginning of the runway a red bar of lights when the other B777 was crossing the runway. Luckily this time it went all right.

[@bingbong7777]

Emirates is such an unsafe airline. Another 777 almost crashed into buildings on take off in December 2020. And not to forget that 777 that crashed in Dubai a couple of years ago.

[@TheHayabusa09]

Wasn't a crash..EK still refers to it as ''an incident''..

[@sameerbhol5950]

from Dubai to cities of India so many air crashes or nearly crashes happened isn't that coincidence. On 22 May 2010 - Air India Express Flight 812(runway overrun) On 3 August 2016 - Emirates Flight 521(partially crashes during landing and fire broke out) On June or July 2019 - Air India Express Flight ???(unknown)(runway overrun) On January 2020 - Emirates Flight 516 400 feet distance from Pakistan Flight 310(nearly mid air collision) On 7 August 2020 - Air India Express Flight 1344(runway overrun) and now On 9 January 2022 - Emirates Flight 524 and 568(nearly collision on ground)

[@crypton7572]

Is the 2019 incident the one where the plane hit a wall?

[@flywithAC2312]

Wouldn't there be a requirement in place for a readback from both aircrafts? I.e. the one would have to say EK524 now crossing Runway 30L and the other would have to say Cleared for takeoff runway 30L - with both of them being on the same frequency (i.e. the tower frequency), they would have heard each other & could take corrective action accordingly UNLESS they spoke over each other or simply didn't readback (which would be illegal on all fronts).

[@soarthumbs1]

I have watched ALL of your videos. Wow what an achievement lol. Great work mate, keep it up!

[@thelettuceconsumer]

Something is going to happen. Unless new regulations are swiftly put into place, we soon may be calling Tenerife the 2nd worst crash in aviation history

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

Something is going to happen? Is there something we can do to prevent something? Or could we stop doing something so that something else happens? Something better. It’s clear that something needs to be done.

[@5thgen418]

So the aircrafts can only record last 2 hours of cockpit What a joke it is In the days of such technological advancements this is not acceptable

[@caribbeanaviator1964]

Your information about the voice recorders being looped for just 2 hours is incorrect. All this information is gathered by the FDAU (Flight Data Acquisition Unit) and is sent and recorded not only by the CVR/FDR, but also recorded on the QAR (Quick access recorders) these devises record both voice and aircraft parameters for a couple of days actually (depending on the manufacturer) and can be accessed through a simple download to a laptop when the aircraft lands. It is this data that is used for programs like FOQA (Flight operations quality assurance) and also used to download the entire flight for training purposes and allows you to recreate the flight or a portion of the flight including all flight control inputs for training and evaluation purposes. So the company does have everything that was said and done on that flight deck and in every flight that aircraft has done for the past couple of days.

[@GreenDotAviation]

That's interesting, thank you for this correction! I've updated the video description.

[@1Eddi2]

That is why it is mostly called: „line up and WAIT“ (I am not quite sure if the additional phrase „WAIT“ is mandatory but for sure it is good phraseology)

[@bobby1970]

In this modern day age we are living in, there's no reason why instructions from ATC can't be sent directly to the plane on a digital readout. This would eliminate any confusion and communication problems.

[@KAD132]

What if someone hacked the system and start to give his instruction to the plane

[@bobby1970]

@@KAD132 , great point, but they need to make an unhackable system somehow, then this could be a real possible solution.

[@jason41a]

the (potentially) lack of read back is the most worrying thing. that i the best safeguard against mistakes.

[@CW-rx2js]

Service doesn't matter as much of your safety is compromised. Personally, I find Emirates service to be overrated. I was flying in a group to Croatia on a vacation and they misplaced our luggage and delayed it by 2 days. our entire trip held up because of this and we weren't given any compensation. Since then I avoid Emirates. Personally I find Qatar Airways to be much better in terms of service.

[@simplelifelost]

Excellent video, amazing graphics, likely correct conclusions.

[@yellowrose0910]

OK wait what?! "They waited for 1/2 hr for their brakes to cool, then took off instead of returning to the gate". Why were they cleared for takeoff? Why wasn't security sent out to escort them back to the gate? Why wasn't avoiding an audit of the CVR considered hindering an investigation? There's much more here than covered yet...

[@TheHobade]

management trying to cover the company's mistakes. I thought Mr P. Bellews from Easyjet was going there as HR manager. Maybe he changed his mind 🤷‍♂✌