Venusaur vs Meganium - Pokemon Crystal

[@myggmastaren3365]

Time for another installment of: "BOTH OF THESE TWO POKÈMON CAN LEARN MUD-SLAP, BUT GLIGAR CAN NOT". R.I.P Gligar :,)

[@godave8934]

:D

[@damirtulenov2309]

Minute of silence for all terrible gen 2 pokemen

[@DanteTheIguana]

Yes, but Gligar learns Sludge Bomb, so... Venusaur is sad too!

[@charlessegale6493]

​@@DanteTheIguana And that makes Venasaur a saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad panda.

[@ShadowtheYouTuber523]

R. I. P Donphan as well

[@lordmcsmith]

Yeah, Venusaur may have had the faster time, but I think Meganium had the more interesting run. I like the way its play style rewards patience, knowing when to sit back and heal and when to press the attack. And I know that's kind of against the spirit of the race, but there's just something about watching Meganium tank fire and ice moves that's so incredibly satisfying.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

It was also way more rewarding figuring a Meganium out. Over coming all the obstacles was tricky but I’m quite happy with what I came up with. Venusaur just sort of played itself once Hidden Power was on the table.

[@ShadowFlame_Phoenix]

I think the reason I love Umbreon so much is because when I played Pokemon Coliseum, watching it tank Cross Chops was satisfying, so I get this. Meanwhile, the Espeon was getting one-shotted repeatedly to the point I gave up on it. And Meganium ended up being a relatively good partner for Umbreon too, since both could tank solid hits while dealing fair strikes in return.

[@mMmMarvin]

You have seen it probably already, Scott, but Venusaur should actually go to the top of the A tier, with a time above 1:20:00

[@uli11]

Unless that's a sign of things to come...

[@JaharNarishma]

1h, 21 minutes is less than 1h, 20 minutes. That is why it is S tier. (joke)

[@hojo-was-right8175]

I'm glad someone pointed this out. Couldn't let it go! Minor fix

[@dxjxc91]

Came here to comment this. I'll just like this comment instead

[@ShiftingSkys]

Sometimes Scott knows if he made mistakes or he believes that the amount of time is so cose to being in th enext tier he will place it in the "Correct tier" for example if he hit a few walls and got stuck for extended period of time knowing that could shave off 1 min, knowing even in the second playthrough he messed something up that could shave off another mine. So I guess what im saying is if he projects that if he did 5 play throughs he could get it under 1:20 with Optimization he will do so. Later he usually updates it if he cannot manage to get it under the 1:20

[@pyriel6870]

57:37 that is some really good artwork and like you said, the different moods or faces of the Koffings and Weezing is absolutely brilliant and good. Scott, youve got some talented people helping you out with these videos. They're getting better and better as time moves forward, just like your overlay has been too. I re-watch videos alot, especially when im super bored and tou can really twll the difference between your older/original videos to now. The change is remarkable, well done good sir lol

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Thank you so much. I do have a lot of really talented people helping me. They are amazing. I couldn’t do this without them.

[@mortovivo9655]

Honestly the fact meganium holds up that well to the top tiers is amazing. It clearly is a decent pokemon despite nobody choosing it

[@collinqs2541]

Exactly. It’s decent, just not a fantastic mon. With a better move pool it would be a better Mon.

[@Marksmaan]

Venusaur is much better in modern Pokémon so it's easy to forget what it was like in the early games.

[@isaacvanderbilt4505]

Every person I know who chooses chikorita has been female. Not sure if it's cause it's cute or because of its popularity in the anime. Maybe aspects of both. Me personally I go water no matter the Gen. Water is king. 🤴 👑 💧

[@bretthasbrouck9808]

I loved Meganium..but I think feraligator was my first love.

[@GaIeforce]

I liked chokorita, but... you know, I can't say no to cyndaquil. I just can't.

[@thenerdbeast7375]

Overall I am proud of Meganium's performance, it lacked Venusaur's ace of Sleep Powder but it was overall more consistent through the play through.

[@PhilsAmazingBBQ]

genuinely such a good video. the editing highlighting what you’re talking about, the knowledge and explanations, the switch back and forth between each starter, everything. so goodddddd

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Thank you so much!

[@L4COMBE]

Meganium’s Lance fight had no business being that close. So clutch though!

[@Great_Olaf5]

I had to reread this several times because my brain refused to read Meganium as anything but Megumin.

[@xS3T0x]

@@Great_Olaf5 I didn't see that until you mentioned it but now I see it and can't unsee, now I wish Meganium got explosion.

[@SquallLionhart409]

Regarding Bellsprout being the wrong choice for a cut user... the first route has Sentret at 40% encounter rate. You have to pass through the route anyways right after an aide gives you pokeballs, so it makes more sense to me. Cutting out Flash also means you don't lose out by not having Bellsprout.

[@FNJones88]

You are the most wholesome content creator on KZbin, and I love your content. Please, keep up the fantastic work!

[@matthewhicks8203]

I was on the edge of my seat waiting for this video and during this video. I was so rooting for Meganium. (Even though I like Venusaur more.) I’m glad you finally got to the Johto starters. I am also realizing that these guys would be good for a backlog playthrough of Yellow too. We’ve seen how The Kanto starters do, it might be fun to see how the Johto starters do as well. Great video and I am waiting with baited breath for the next video. GO TYPHLOSION! Suck it ya flying lizard!

[@LuKo3x5066]

Don't worry about people mentioning your mistakes - it is impossible to be perfect and I am pretty sure that most of us just want to see you having fun playing the game that we all love!

[@contestwill1556]

my dad wants to see scott having fun playing the game that we all love

[@pokeperson1000]

Fun fact, you have a 0.781% chance of catching a full health Entei or Raikou with a pokeball.

[@tonpalacios2964]

Did it on my first silver version playthrough when back in the day. Encountered raikou and it fled when I tried to fight it. Encountered it again like a week later and just chucked a poke ball. Rocked 3 times, caught it and that was the end of my luck. 😂

[@svansiian2050]

Gacha players be like "crazy good odds !"

[@lukcdk]

@@svansiian2050 execpt they can't pay to roll the dice again.

[@DrDrao]

Hype. I think it's venusaur because dual types are generally better than monotypes, even if the second type is poision.

[@nathanandsugar5252]

Poison is good defensively. Being neutral to poison and immune to poisoning is great in Kanto/Johto. Even Hoenn to a lesser extent.

[@DrDrao]

@@nathanandsugar5252 Yeah. It's not the best, but it's definitely better than nothing. The poison resistance is great because of team rocket, and the fighting resistance helps too, against chuck and bruno(though neither are particularly threatening) In gen 1, the psychic weakness somewhat ironically also helps, because of the borked ai.

[@dansplam8217]

I can't wait for the 5 way eeveelution gen 2 video!

[@tehy123]

I think a big optimization for both runs is to teach Hidden Power as early as possible. Having even a neutral Hidden Power versus Morty would be a big power boost (definitely makes Gastly a clean 1-hit-KO), and Mud Slap is arguably pretty replaceable. I think Scott gives way too much credit to Magnemite, which is pretty frail and easy to 2-hit with resisted STAB. Pair that with a Prz cure berry and it's not much of a threat.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Magnemite terrifies me. But you’re probably right.

[@indiradevi6217]

U dont know how nasty supersonice+twave is. If it has actual atacking moves it would have been a terror. It has same special attack as Xatu which is absurd.

[@jmdefault]

Gen1 AI: Lorelei uses Rest, because Psychic is "very effective". Gen2 AI: Koga knows when your Pokemon are badly poisoned and will prioritize stalling moves. That's quite the improvement :)

[@berrabus7059]

This will be a fun run. Maybe it's due to my age but I believe in the OG grass Pokémon. Let's go Venusar!

[@ironmanandspidyroc]

venusaur, is hands down the best starter pokemon ever, easily. Stats, mega, etc.. he's op, meganiums is just absolute garbage..

[@timjones7009]

​@@ironmanandspidyrocI agree. What do you think of serperior? Had a lot of success with it in romhacks with both abilities

[@InfernosReaper]

Meganium kinda sucks, so yeah, this should be pretty easy for Venusaur

[@veghesther3204]

I agree and even IN BASE form Chikorita is still pure CRAP.

[@dr0g_Oakblood]

1:16:31 - uh, correct me if I am wrong, but a 1 hour 21 min time should put it in A-tier, not S-tier right? Probably right at the front but still there? Of course this is nothing against the Plant-Dino-Frog, I love my good boy, I am just asking as a matter of principle. Edit: Aight so this gets addressed in the Typhlosion vs Charizard vid, neat.

[@Medabee8]

38:52 - Actually, Crobat almost always chooses Double Team turn one, no matter what. Muk will almost also set up either Minimize or Acid Armor turn 1. Fortress will likely Protect stall you if you are Toxic'd, but the others will not spam their evasion moves. Usually only Ariados will use Double Team multiple times.

[@charlessegale6493]

Really loving the Petrol and the Koffing Gang fanart! Thank you, Serina!

[@TheLeviathan1293]

I think Meganium is not just a defensive beast. It has enough special attack, so if anything it's a little like a Milotic situation, with less special but better coverage, and a physical option. If something is able to ruin that, is the grass typing.

[@libraryscholaralexis6581]

Love the Petrel art. As a Koffing lover I live the emotions on all of them. Also will wait for the Typhlosion vs Charizard video as an avid lover of Typhlosion. Please keep up the great work.

[@vigys9579]

Your videos are always a fun experience from beginning to end. Please keep them coming!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Thank you so much! I will.

[@Fallenhero4567]

Thanks Scott!

[@TJF588]

"Alright, that was a nice battle" Love how slick you've gotten with those remarks.

[@seaweedstarfy]

I'm so happy that Meganium actually did so well in this run, I developed a soft spot for it only recently and it's among my favorite fully evolved starters of all time ❤

[@Bnoopy]

Awesome video! There is an error however at 38:32: Damage from bad poison doesn't double every turn, it increases by 1/16 of the afflicted Pokémon's health each turn, going from 1/16 to 2/16 to 3/16 etc.

[@mymarshlands]

I'm hoping earlier razor leaf and access to earthquake can allow meganium to edge venusaur and win in the end? who knows!

[@Randroth]

38:25 not gonna lie, calling Venomoth a Poison type feels illegal Great video as always, Scott!

[@jakescott529]

the amount of detail is astonishing, bravo!

[@matthiasrauert8397]

So cool to have another versus vid these are the best. Thank u Scott for all the work u put in.

[@marlysalt]

I love how they look so happy to race each other in the thumbnail, like they both know its a friendly competition.

[@heartnet40]

I am SOOOOO looking forward to seeing Charizard vs Typhlosion. They have *exactly* the same base stats and probably have a lot of the same advantages in movepool as well. I predict it is going to be one of the most volatile, competitive, and outright fierce Pokemon races that you'll ever play which I think is very fitting given their archtypes as fast, powerful, and aggressive Pokemon. My heart is in it for Charizard! Can't wait!

[@thelucidexperience]

It’ll be a dead heat to the finish. Both will go down in blazes of glory

[@bryandauzat293]

So I don't know for sure if this works in gen 2, but there's a bulbapedia entry that says if the hm is the first in the move slot, the daycare people will overwrite it with a new move. That might help Meganium, my favorite pokemon.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I’ll look into this.

[@PS1Fan1991]

Fantastic video! I am not a Meganium fan, but I cheered it on due to it being the underdog and I am very happy with how it went.

[@BigbagelBrandon]

Scott what an amazing video! That was a fun one to watch! I wonder if Venasuar could get even a faster time if you used solarbeam, sunndy day and synthesis together along with return. For parts of the Elite four. Anyways, amazing content as always!

[@sephirothe6949]

I don't normally comment but I love these vs battles. They're much more interesting than your other content

[@kazekamiha]

Not finished the video yet; but I think the reason Meganium is doing so well is that between it's bulk and the ability to heal it has the endurance to last in longer fights.

[@redzeoranger7718]

Since S tier is < 1:20:00 shouldn't Venasaur be in A tier which is < 1:30:00 since it's time was 1:21:13?

[@perkypenguin1663]

1:31 “This is the actually the first generation 2 Grass type run I will be doing on this channel” Celebi: am I a joke to you In all seriousness, I quite enjoyed the video! Meganium’s optimized strategy, really caught me off guard. I genuinely was a bit frustrated that you did not use Leech Seed right away against the Koffing in Slowpoke Well right away when you only had 3 PP of Tackle left. Oh well, just a first playthrough anyway. The follow up is what really matters and you definitely delivered in that regard.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Did I use a grass move with Celebi? I think my brain just put it into the mono-psychic category with how long I had to use confusion in that run.

[@tamlynloell]

Venusaur is not below 1:20. Is the placement in the S Tier a mistake or why has it been placed in S?

[@anni321]

Such a cool series. Didn't watch in release order so this was my second :) Really sweet idea!

[@Tneon40]

Did you know: Wobbuffet is the Patient Pokémon

[@joshuaodowd2371]

This made me very happy to see venusaur make it with zero resets on its 2nd play through. Also the bulbasaur is my favorite! Good job scott! Meganium did great too!

[@HeinGott]

Video idea since you mentioned Sneasel being bad in this game, why not try a play through where you switch its special attack with its attack? might give us a look at how sneasel could perform if it could use STAB

[@damirtulenov2309]

You should try dusclops vs bannete

[@snake909]

I expected Venusaur to win, but Meganium definitely held its own. Fun watch

[@Gungho73]

I've always viewed Meganium as an unfortunate "benefactor" or beneficiary of Venusaur being as good as it is. I can see the intent of making a better team based wall in theory at the grass type position without going overboard, but Feraligtr and Typhlosion are so godly in their launch gen it honestly hurts the poor little Chikoritas chances. Plus, the anime absolutely did it no favors, also in regards to Bulbasaur who was extremely cool in the launch series.

[@andreapareti324]

This was such a fun watch! The flow of Meganium's first playthrough was top notch! For what is overall the worst Starter combat-wise, Meganium *definitely* held its own!

[@andreapareti324]

@FreezyNinja It was able to do some stuff in GSC's bulkier meta, but, by modern metrics? It's the one with less of a niche, but I was also referring to its reputation in the fanbase.

[@eekajmoneybaby9309]

I hope typlosion doesn't let me down next time and had fun watching this vid you did a great job scott

[@durianthesleepy]

28:37 since four of Petrel's Koffings are identical... couldn't you customize the overlay to show the character art with the three statblocks and have x4 over the reused one and count them down for every ko?

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Yes… but this is a lot of programming for one fight. Maybe I’ll do it when I have a lot of free time.

[@daerunia]

Everybody picks on Meganium but the cuteness of the whole line makes up for any shortcomings for me. Also that early level razor leaf was actually pretty good back in the day, many grass types never learned it or learned it at lvl 60 when the champ is only in the 40s. I'm doing a Nuzlocke of every gen and I'm at Crystal. The learnsets of grass types before gen 3 were abysmal! I ended up swapping out my Victreebel (spelling?) for a Miltank (very lucky catch!) because non resistent stomp was doing more damage than super effective, 10 pp vine whips. I can't believe kid me really thought Jumpluff and Paras were so powerful haha

[@MK-yg2np]

7:25 the first non-poison type benefits extremely of a poison type move with acid armour

[@walkingcorpse1224]

This video was awesome! Thank you for making it! I knew Venasaur was gonna win but definitely not the way it actually did. That was very surprising! 😅

[@ryanmuller9497]

So, a thought I had while watching this and thinking about Pokemon that are generally good but walled by specific things: I think it'd be cool to, once you're pretty happy with your solo run tier list for a generation, do some duo runs where you use your usual rules but are allowed to use two Pokemon in battle, rather than one. Not sure how I'd implement gaining your second Pokemon - perhaps replace the earliest available gift/purchase Pokemon with it, so it's a solo run until you get there? Either way, I think it'd be cool to see how certain duos go in terms of fighting for the same pool of XP but being able to cover one another's weaknesses.

[@Luke-lq9rn]

Great video. Just wondering, did you consider setting up reflect on Kakuna during the Bugsy fight to lower the damage of fury cutter on Scyther, or backtracking after Falkner to get the Pink Bow?

[@Spanky8402]

Yeah, you make mistakes, but a few times you played differently than I would have but you taught me to play the game differently and that makes the game more fun. I appreciate you.

[@josephsalvatore4418]

Let’s go Venosaur! Been my favorite starter since 1998 when I played blue on my gameboy. Also, the Entai encounter made me realize how much I look forward to seeing the legendary doggos compete!

[@adamh2900]

Anyone else feel there's something kind of sad about Generation 2 of Pokémon? (Gold, Silver and Crystal) The music is very bittersweet and by the time you reach Kanto, so much of it is closed down and there are far fewer trainers to battle than in RBY Kanto, which gives it a really empty and lonely feeling Hope this makes sense, and thanks for the video Scott

[@blinkspot2667]

I feel like Meganium vs Bellosom would be an interesting video. Maybe in gen 3 so they can have abilities?

[@n64_kfp]

Loved the video, I've really been looking forward to the starter races. Extra excited for when the water starters come out because I live Blastoise so much and feel it doesn't get enough love. I do want to ask, though, if Venusaur shouldn't be at the top of the A Tier since it didn't get under 1:20.

[@hammdogporkington3058]

Take a shot every time Scott refers to Meganium as a defensive beast

[@lmr4403]

Venusaur with 1:21 should be A-tier right in the update tierformat (S:

[@fionordequester6748]

Is Bayleef not able to learn Swift for Bugsy? Because there's a TM for that in the cave right before Azalea Town.

[@Dpmt]

I questioned Hidden Power Rock on Venusaur initially, but that elite 4 footage was quite convincing! Wow!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Yeah, at first I wanted to do Ice. But that just doesn’t have the punch it needs for Charizard.

[@Dpmt]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon I was thinking Electric, but that wouldn’t have been nearly as useful for Lance’s Dragonites or Koga’s Bugs and you lose half of the damage on Charizard since stat experience keeps the attack and special attack stats relatively close.

[@tomforge614]

I think the big struggle for the Chikorita line stems from the fact that Poisonpowder is in its movepool. I'm guessing most Pokemon players were sick of powder-spreading grass types by gen 2. Combine this with the fact that three of its level up slots were dedicated to Reflect, Light Screen, and Safeguard in a period where competive was rather niche outside of Japan, and it's movepool was rather limited to Razor Leaf, Body Slam, Synthesis, and a random move (either Reflect or Earthquake depending on who was in the know). As a result, Meganium kind of fell behind the more aggressive Typhlosion and Feraligatr. It had its fans, sure, but being the second flower dinosaur in a row that learned Poisonpowder and Solarbeam rather than Sleep Powder and a more distinctive Grass move means it got a lot of its personality from the anime which doesn't always translate into the games. I'll gladly pick Chikorita as often as Cyndaquil or Totodile, but it really wasn't marketed well in the gen 2 games themselves besides to kids who watched the anime and loved Bayleef. There's also the disadvantage of Wooper and Bellsprout being early route mons which made Cyndaquil appear much more distinct than its comrades.

[@MayVeryWellBeep]

This really shows how great Meganium is because it competes with Venusaur even with one hand tied behind its back, burdened by the old, obsolete mechanic of HM moves which cannot easily be unlearnt and with no access to sleep. Wait I just had a crazy thought. What if you got Meganium to level 22, put it in daycare with cut at the top, and figured out how many steps you need to take to get to level 23 in the daycare, overwriting cut with Synthesis before you even reach Goldenrod? Looking at the video in your second play through you were level 21 in Ilex Forest while teaching headbutt, so this really lines up.

[@MayVeryWellBeep]

even better - it turns out the way daycare works is 1 step = 1 experience, so if you can route so that you get riiight to the cusp of level 23, then put meganium in daycare to get over the line with cut at the top, that will erase cut with synthesis, which you can either then use or overwrite with new learnset moves or TMs. just the fact that u need to remove cut after Ilex and Meganium is at the right level after Ilex to learn a new move and that's where the daycare is, makes this just so perfect. It all lines up.

[@MayVeryWellBeep]

I'm so excited about this idea that I'm losing my mind

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Yeah, I love this idea!

[@davidgardner6677]

Been looking forward to this one for a while 🍿 can meganium prove itself??

[@joshsmallwood4379]

I clicked on this just as it started without even realising

[@Numbers_Game]

Very good video. I hope you will do a Blastoise VS Feraligatr comparison one day too :D

[@ShadowtheYouTuber523]

5:37 Pidgey and Pidgeotto also have less Sp. Def. 56:41 Nope, that's gen 1 when there was just the special stat and it didn't raise both attack stats until gen 5.

[@TheSachmo6]

Hot take: Meganium should have been grass/normal for stab body slam and ghost immunity for more viability

[@mangoschmooves]

Definitely would’ve made it stand out more. Maybe typhlosion and feraligatr could’ve been part normal as well which would help with stab return

[@shadowtitanx3962]

Or, Grass Fairy like many people are doing.

[@samrushin2476]

Grass/Dragon because it's a GD dinosaur. Also a 4x weakness to ice because just dragon things.

[@InfernosReaper]

Thinking about how Fire had it extra rough in Gen1 and Grass in Gen2, is there *any* Pokemon game where Water is a weak starting choice compared to the others?

[@Former_Gamer]

You couldn't have beaten the rocket grunt with the Koffing with leech seed and sleep powder?

[@Prodigial]

Venusaur got a time of 1:21 but is in S tier which is reserved for

[@UnknownVir]

21:43 Putting Gastly to sleep and then just using Fury Cutter might've worked with Razor Leaf as a backup.

[@UnknownVir]

Did you ever try setting up reflect vs Kakuna before KOing so you have it for a few turns vs Bugsy?

[@acuwolf908]

Venusaur is Amazing. I always use leech seed / sleep powder or toxic strats. Also love you're content I think I've almost watched all your videos and I love your live streams. Zangoose vs seviper eventually

[@thebigmermaid]

Woo! Shoutout to my first, but certainly not last, credit montage. Love your content, thanks for entertaining me AND helping me fall asleep! 1:26:21

[@ciboria1]

Hey, could you make a walkthrough for how to set the EV to get specific Hidden Powers in GSC? I've been trying to find a way to get Hidden Power Ice, for over a month now. The 1st stage of the gen 2 starters-run wouldve been SO much easier against Dragon types. Especially poor Cyndaquil, he got walled SO hard against the 8th gym and E4

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Set the attack Dv to 15 and the defense Dv to 13, everything else 15. You won’t be able to set hp. It will auto calculate to 15. Use PKHex to do this, or with gamehook set the value of the attack DV to 253 (hexadecimal 0xFD)

[@PLPEberronguy]

When you eventually get to Gligar, I think it would be neat if you did a "hypothetical" run using a romhack where Gligar can learn Mud-Slap to see how this much more blessed alternate universe compares to our tragic Mud-Slapless Gligar

[@FifthPromise]

I think the Pokemon blue series without TMS will be so interesting, but I would equally want to watch a series where sleep is banned so that it doesn't become to go to strat as soon as a pokemon can learn a sleep move.

[@daveelliot7552]

Hell….. to…… the….. yeah! Love the novel and constantly innovative content!

[@ninjadolphin01]

I do wonder if with meganium on the second play theough if you should have just grinded a few more levels instead of being stuck with cut and losing synthesus

[@Wow1w]

wait, wouldn't Venasaur's time place them in the "A" tier, rather than the "S" tier, since they got a time Slower than 1:20:00 but faster than 1:30:00?

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I’ll explain next time

[@cyberlife435]

Hey Scott question wouldn't setting up reflect against the Kakuna while holding the poison cure berry make scyther more consistent in 5he battle against Bugsy? Like hit it once setup reflect then knock it out giving you 4 turns of reflect when scyther comes out?

[@charlessegale6493]

Oh cool! Andrew Davis just did a Chicorita run yesterday. Looking forward to seeing this run tonight! Fun fact: as a kid, I picked Chikorita because I remembered how great Bulbasaur was in the early game of Gen 1. *M A N* did the game make me pay for that choice. XD

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Yeah, what a coincidence!

[@DisplayName317]

Can't wait to see how Scott's enthusiasm for Sleep fares when he eventually does Amoongus in Gen V.

[@matthewhicks8203]

At this point it’s pretty sus wouldn’t you say?

[@TheGodIvy]

Thats assuming he does gen 5 at all, and i highly doubt it

[@matthewhicks8203]

@@TheGodIvy Maybe in 2030 we’ll get lucky.

[@shadowtitanx3962]

Sleep is 1-3 Turns since Gen 5. So, Sleep tactics are not gonna be anywhere near strong as Gen 1 to 3.

[@SaintoftheHonest]

Meganium is unironically one of my favourite Grass starters, due to stuff like its simplicity in design, approachable and friendly demeanor, getting moves early by LUp, etc. However, Johto is famously ATROCIOUS for any grass type, so people undervalue it as a whole. Truth is, Meganium is DAMN powerful, you just need to take it to another region. If anyone mods their own roms, I'd suggest trying it in Alpha Sapphire, with a physical set of Bulldoze/EQ coverage w/ Swords Dance. Edit: "I've heard rumours that Johto is quite cruel to grass types." Bruh, just look at all the boss battles' aces. ~ Falkner has a prematurely evolved Flying type. ~ Bugsy has a Bug/Flying DUEL type with a BST on par with Alakazam ~ Whitney's Miltank is atrocious for all starters ~ The ENTIRE Ghost gym is poison types that are immune to your Normal coverage ~ Chuck is the weakest GL, so having an advantage against his ace doesn't matter ~ Jasmine's gym of Electric and Ground types sounds good on paper, until you realise that Steelix is weak to BOTH the other starters, so Meganium is the worst yet again. ~ Being SE against all Pryce's mons doesn't mean much when everything in the gym hits YOU super effectively ~ Team Rocket have migrated from having no type specialty (Ground types, Normal types, Fighting types, etc) to being Poison specialists ~ Dragon gym with Smokescreen. This fucks everyone. ~ Will has two Flying types, a Grass type and an Ice type. ~ Koga has all poison types except for Forretress - a Bug/Steel type. ~ Bruno is Bruno. He's a joke. ~ Karen packs a Vileplume, a Gengar, a Flying type and a Fire type. ~ Bird Keeper Lance. Now with a Charizard.

[@iantaakalla8180]

And in what region would Chikorita be good in? Hoenn? Kalos?

[@justinsims655]

*Gengar pounds Meganium to no effect as it synthesizes sunlight casually* Meganium: I'll be with you in a moment, Sir.

[@paperip1996]

I remember playing Gold as a kid that even though the chikorita line was my least favorite of the six starter lines up to that point, but still choosing it in most of my playthroughs because I was CONVINCED your choice of starter dictated which legendary dog you could catch, and that if I wanted Entei (obviously the coolest Gen 2 mon you can get without owning a link cable), I'd have to resign myself to a slightly boring early game 😂

[@Tx432]

Surely Venusaur isn’t S tier, as it didn’t finish under 1:20? It’s 1:21 so should be in A tier?

[@josephnation9063]

Why are you buying calcium on a primarily physical attacker in Meganium?

[@hippotuskman7808]

1:17:55 why not get and use headbutt?

[@colinsteines7120]

I’m interested in who will do better when the fire starters face off against each other

[@UnknownVir]

Venusaur in S tier? Isn't it just short of the new cut-off on the right side of the tier list?

[@riverturtle2855]

Yes Venusaur won 🤘🏽🤙🏽 Also if you give your Pokémon a haircut it will help with friendship for your Return I seen some ppl do that

[@mufasa5851]

My first game was Silver and my first pokemon was Chikorita. Since then it has been tradition to use the grass starter in all my 1st playthroughs. I LOVE Meganium AND Venusaur. SO HYPED

[@shimauta619]

Seven for everyone's exasperation at Scott insisting on sleep tactics for way too long. If you're drinking anything alcoholic while watching this, take a sip every time you think he should have changed tactics.