Secrets of The Nightfort (with Bookshelf Stud)

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@jackcoogan310
@jackcoogan310 4 жыл бұрын
I love the idea of Ghost sneaking around the Nightfort. Especially because it’s been talked about as haunted constantly, and all a haunting is is the presence of a ghost creeping around.
@bronhaller
@bronhaller 4 жыл бұрын
Re. the Black Gate: no guarantee Yarwick or Marsh know how to operate it (the Gate itself just says "who are you?" so if they don't know the correct answer, there could be problems. Sam knew how to use the Gate because Coldhands taught him); also, even if they do know that you need to say the first half of the Vow, does the Gate see a difference between those who said their vow in front of a Weirwood vs in the Sept? Does it only recognise Weirwood vows? Will it eat people who fail the test?
@brent4138
@brent4138 4 жыл бұрын
All good questions. I hope it is only for those who took them in front of the Old Gods.
@ikekobrinsky5517
@ikekobrinsky5517 4 жыл бұрын
Spectacular Rob!! You’ve been extremely prolific during these trying times. Appreciate the content and stay safe mate
@freckles0829
@freckles0829 4 жыл бұрын
Well put @Ike Kobrinsky 😻👍😉 Robert's content on @indeepgeek is thoroughly researched, eloquently explained and creatively presented to his numerous followers!! Bravo, sir!! 👻❄💙👏🌬😱💀🏰
@Ash.Crow.Goddess
@Ash.Crow.Goddess 4 жыл бұрын
This was a great conversation! Interesting theory about Jon being the Ghost of the Night Fort, right after he will most likely inhabit Ghost, and then be reborn amidst salt, and probably a little smoke, It reminds me of that time when the Starks were kids and Jon was covered in flour, scaring them in the crypts... And, Beric... reminds me of Tantalus in the afterlife... always reaching for that fruit, or bending down to get a drink, only to be denied the pleasure... the Gods seem to really dislike it when one cheats death. Stannis and co. at the night fort... Stannis has strong Hades parallels. His attitude, kind of blunt, his sense of pragmatic displeasure with hus domain, his sense of duty, Hades accepted his lot as soon as he drew the shortest straw. Shireen has major Hel parallels. The queen of Hell, one side of her black and rotting, the other side beautiful and pure, she cuts quite a night queen/corpse queen figure, doesn't she? And there's the child sacrifice allusions, as well.
@Revex08
@Revex08 4 жыл бұрын
Love the Nightfort so much it is such a fascinating place!
@AlextheSuperfly
@AlextheSuperfly 4 жыл бұрын
Love love love this topic: I am obsessed with the Nightfort. What are your thoughts on why the Black Gate is called "black" when it's clearly a glowy white weirwood?
@kragary
@kragary 4 жыл бұрын
I love the idea of Jon turning into a horror story monster so much I'll probably cry if it doesn't happen in the books.
@amynurss1375
@amynurss1375 4 жыл бұрын
The Nightfort could have a whole historical season to itself. They could easily make a mini movie out of the Night's King.
@gettingtoastedatq
@gettingtoastedatq 4 жыл бұрын
I like that idea a lot. Never know what they’ll end up doing I suppose
@leeroberts4850
@leeroberts4850 4 жыл бұрын
It would be a full movie. These asoif stories should be animated though budget resotrictitions of life action needing CGI on location filming and actors that want millions of dollars and need multiple doubles for stunts and sex scenes directors who want to change the story for film adaptation and think their clever with their shitty ideas ruin the story. A bunch of KZbinrs should get together and collabartate on a true to the books non diviation no changes what so ever animation. It would get demomatized but who cares
@Ash.Crow.Goddess
@Ash.Crow.Goddess 4 жыл бұрын
I suspect the NF would've featured heavily in the Blood Moon show, had that gone on to be made. Alas...
@brent4138
@brent4138 4 жыл бұрын
They already ruined the Night King on the show though. They would have to be clear it is something else entirely
@Ash.Crow.Goddess
@Ash.Crow.Goddess 4 жыл бұрын
It was going to be about the origin of the NK.
@AndrewK23777
@AndrewK23777 4 жыл бұрын
This was fantastic , I am always down for a Nightfort discussion. Certainly an iconic dark influential element in the narrative on many levels , especially in terms of the universe's ancient past. Of course referring to the books' Night's King , the Rat cook, 79 sentinels , "thing that came in the night" , Danny Flint , Mad Axe , Symeon Star Eyes (although the tale with Symeon seems mostly connected with the books' NK in that he was likely witnessing the conflict between Brandon the Breaker and the Night's King) to name a few. Certainly a dark mysterious element of the narrative that seems to lay out ideas , principles , examples ,stories and legends where echoes from the Nf will likely be seen in the current narrative all over Westeros and that there are dark magical mysteries at work in GRRM's ASoIaF universe. I hold out hope that possibly there may be a few influential events in the current narrative that are directly connected to the Nf or at least associated with it. This discussion really unearthed some great gems in and around the Nightfort. I absolutely love the idea that resurrected Jon with Ghost or just Ghost with Jon's spirit / soul in the direwolf (in the interim before JS' resurrection) taking out some retribution at the Nightfort against those who conspired and acted against Jon via stalking and haunting those responsible. Love that imagery of that idea if that occurred at the Nf. Also really liked the idea if there is a metaphysical conflict between Bran and the Others / heart of winter that it could be at the Nightfort on a magical plane ; that would make a lot of sense and be a parallel of a Stark battling the Others similar to the whole book's NK conflict. The Harrenhal comparison work on many levels , huge grand structures who both to an extent can be viewed as perversions of nature and the Weirwoods that fell from prominence and somewhat ruined / destroyed and both show despite their size and scale in such close proximity to huge magically important sites (the Wall for the Nf and the IoF / Gods Eye for Harrenhal) just how insignificant those structures are compared to the arcana and higher magic / mysteries in this universe. And the Black Gate is one of the most intriguing mysteries seemingly high magic / fantasy in the narrative. Definitely a lot going on there and I have been a long believer in the concept brought up by Bookshelfstud I believe that the BG is possibly the door that Hodor will sacrifice himself (willing or unwillingly) to open / hold open. It makes a lot of sense , likely helping Bran escape back south of the Wall ; ntm Hodor's real name in the books Walder , so Walder / "Wall Door" this makes a lot of sense to me and the BG would be the most likely door in the Wall where the Hodor sacrifice occurs. Great discussion , the Nightfort certainly a dark somewhat mysterious & magical element in the narrative that i thoroughly enjoying discussing or hearing great discussions and debate from others regarding it like this one. Loving this series Robert , hope to see many more installments , keep up the great work.
@Knight860
@Knight860 4 жыл бұрын
To paraphrase Tyrion's advice to Jon "One would rather deny a hard truth than face it" and perhaps all the horror tales associated with the Nightfort represent in some form the Night's Watch's or even the North's ugly history with the Others in terms of sacrifice, how the Stark's are tied to the wall (not just through Brandon the Builder) and perhaps even descent from the Other's (assuming the Night's King's "Corpse Queen" was an Other) in order to prevent another Long Night or Other invasion.
@jamiemckenna2254
@jamiemckenna2254 4 жыл бұрын
Robert, you are slaying this quarantine my friend; can’t thank you enough for keeping us entertained! Looking forward to this one - and another wonderful guest. Cheers, mate! ✌🏻 P.S. it’s weird seeing daylight in your windows! 😂
@reneebarger5194
@reneebarger5194 4 жыл бұрын
Great show fellas. Do you think it was critical that Jon & Sam took their Knights Watch vows at the heart tree? Does that allow Sam entrance to the Weir Gate? I too have had a theory that Jon-Ghost chases the murder club watchmen to the Night Fort. He then takes them out one by one as a sacrifice to the Weirwood growing in the center of the kitchen. Only death can pay for life, this will enable Jon’s resurrection.
@williamwhitfield6225
@williamwhitfield6225 3 жыл бұрын
It’s very possible, especially when you consider Bloodraven likely has a connection to ghost already. He may lead and influence Jon while he’s in ghost to find his way back into his body somehow. And Melisandre may have a role in resurrecting his body, warming it after it’s been preserved in the ice cells. Fits the Ice and Fire theme of Jon as well.
@AlternativeExplosion
@AlternativeExplosion 4 жыл бұрын
I think i agree more with the idea that Preston Jacobs mentioned in one of his video series (not sure if he's the one who came up with it originally), it's that the Night King's mate was not an Other, but rather a Wight. She is even called "his corpse queen" in the tale and George has written about the concept of someone controlling the corpse and using it for sex in at least one of his Sci Fi books, as far as my knowledge goes.
@SingingSealRiana
@SingingSealRiana 4 жыл бұрын
Most likely she was like Mel but with icemagic instead of fire. Only solution that explains his attraction, the mention of childsacrefice, the way of discribing him sleeping with her made her able to steal his soul . . . It rhymes so much with the makeing of shadowbabies
@SingingSealRiana
@SingingSealRiana 3 жыл бұрын
Meathousman is the sci fi story you are refereing to.
@NorseSultan
@NorseSultan 4 жыл бұрын
Robert, you are amazing! Keep up the good work!
@eddiemetalblood1
@eddiemetalblood1 4 жыл бұрын
Ghost being the one killing the murderers of Jon one by one sounds amazing, also reminds me of the A Ghost in Winterfell chapter.
@lilakatze
@lilakatze 4 жыл бұрын
Your videos are always such a treat! Stay healthy, stay safe, we all love you!
@AllyCatmeow
@AllyCatmeow 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting discussion. Is there any chance that the talking weirwood door contains one of the deserted sentinels? The ultimate punishment for abandoning their post would be physically attaching them for eternity to guard the realm of men.
@Jamzii955
@Jamzii955 4 жыл бұрын
Cannot help but think of the demon doors from Fable whenever the wierwood door is mentioned 😂😂
@brennanbarnes7628
@brennanbarnes7628 4 жыл бұрын
Robert, thanks for the video and for adding Mr. Manwoody to the rotation, I've enjoyed his guest appearances on Joe Magician's channel and enjoy his takes. That being said I gotta say this is the only video of yours I've ever watched where I felt the most crucial aspects of the topic were missed entirely. The story of Dany Flint's gotta have some import to the story's future, it's name dropped multiple times throughout the texts and I was eager to hear both of your takes on it but ya'll glossed over it completely. More importantly though: The Black Gate just SCREAMS sacrifice. The Nightfort was the seat of the Night King & his 'corpse bride' and they're mentioned to have made human sacrifices there. At the oldest part of the oldest fort there's a Weirwood faced door that Bran thinks looks to be swallowing you as you pass through. We have the Others and one of the only things we've been shown clearly in the story about them is that they take/accept Crasters offering of children. In Fire & Blood we get more information about Queen Allysane's visit to the Wall and how she felt there was ' a darkness there, a taste in the air...I was so glad to leave that place' and that she asks that the Nights Watch abandon it and offers to pay for their new fortress with her own jewels. I know I'm not the only person who thinks there is strong implication that the Nights King gave children (quite possibly his own) to the Others through the Black Gate. Even if neither you or Michael buy that theory it deserved to be brought up and discussed. That being said you've got an amazing track record and I'll just have to live with this one disappointment =)
@kragary
@kragary 4 жыл бұрын
It's never been confirmed in the books that the Others take Craster's sons. Our only source for that info are Craster's wives and I think we should be more sceptical of them than a lot of the fandom is. They've been forced to abandon their newborn sons to die of exposure for decades, of course they'd rather believe that the babies don't die but are instead adopted by magical forest elves who raise them up as their own. But there's no evidence for it whatsoever.
@Snakie747
@Snakie747 4 жыл бұрын
Jon's gonna eat Bowen Marsh while he's a wolf. He's going to commit that abomination. Perfect.
@amynurss1375
@amynurss1375 4 жыл бұрын
Isn't part of Old Nans story that the Night King was a Stark and that his brother killed him? With the help of King Joramen?
@JohnTCampbell1986
@JohnTCampbell1986 4 жыл бұрын
Seems the most popular thought about Winterfell's name is that it's foreshadowing that it's where the Others are likely to be defeated, but I think 'fell' could just as easily mean the beginning, possibly foreshadowing that a stark is involved with the Others, possibly a Brandon.
@TheMinecraftHype
@TheMinecraftHype 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely. Fell refers to the past. It had already fallen. I think both options are plausible - but winter beginning rather than ending at Winterfell seems more fitting from a literary perspective.
@armyofninjas9055
@armyofninjas9055 4 жыл бұрын
For example: winter full upon the sleepy town in the cold weeks following autumn.
@iagocasabiellgonzalez7807
@iagocasabiellgonzalez7807 4 жыл бұрын
26:29 What if the password is the Nights Watch vows and just by saying it to the Weirwood Door you actually become a Nights Watch member.
@justineharper3346
@justineharper3346 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting idea
@jakeshepard9292
@jakeshepard9292 4 жыл бұрын
Great video guys! I love where your heads are at on these topics. This is the type of speculation about the new book that I love.
@tarvoc746
@tarvoc746 4 жыл бұрын
I think in the context of Martin's novels, the Freys as a family will replicate the Rat King's fate. There is a lot of evidence that something is imminent akin to what Preston Jacobs calls the Frey Civil War. It will break out when Walder dies at the latest, but probably even earlier. Instead of being able to fortify their position, the Freys will be driven to fighting among each other, or to "eating they own young" as it were.
@brent4138
@brent4138 4 жыл бұрын
Love the Nightfort as well. It is obvious the Night's Watch was feeding the Others to placate them for years but somewhere over the hundreds of years this became a myth/legend. But it has now all come again. Winter is here.
@permiebird937
@permiebird937 4 жыл бұрын
What I am more interested in, can Mance Raider still use the Black Gate? I suspect knowledge of the Black Gate has been a close guarded secret with senior rangers for centuries, it's too useful to be forgotten. If so, Mance may have learned that secret. If Mance knows about the Black Gate and how to use it, does the Black Gate understand Mance is no longer part of the Watch, or can Mance use the Black Gate to cross the wall.
@mistymathis257
@mistymathis257 4 жыл бұрын
Love Ghost Jon at the Nightfort!
@arcanics1971
@arcanics1971 4 жыл бұрын
Ta very much, Robert and Michael.
@micah06v8
@micah06v8 4 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't so much say that Arya is the Rat Cook. I would say she's the gods'vengeance. Walder is the rat, he's the one that killed people who were under his hospitality. Not Arya
@oscargustaverejlander.
@oscargustaverejlander. 3 жыл бұрын
This guest was really good, would love to see another conversation between the two of you again.
@ProfessorRoark
@ProfessorRoark 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing ! Lady stoneheart = net negative 😂 love your idea of ghost / Jon filling the role of the rat cook. Thank you for these !!
@Kat-pd9eh
@Kat-pd9eh 7 ай бұрын
I wish Florence and the Machine would cover Brave Danny Flint
@LeGadabout
@LeGadabout 4 жыл бұрын
The two of you are well matched, really great discussion!
@mauralee9987
@mauralee9987 3 жыл бұрын
That would be a fabulous read of Jon in Ghost POV chapter reeking vengeance on those who murdered Jon. What also would be cool, would be the last scene of A Dream of Spring is Jon’s POV chapter where Jon goes out ranging; hears the howling of the Direwolves in the distance and Ghost, who normally had been silent up to this point, starts howling back. This chapter as well as Bran’s first chapter would be great book ends to the whole series.
@justineharper3346
@justineharper3346 4 жыл бұрын
Man. If we dont get a Ghost/Jon POV with him roaming the Nightfort taking out the mutineers, I'm going to be so disappointed. I dont know if anything could top that
@BetImRight
@BetImRight 4 жыл бұрын
I've been looking forward to hearing your opinion about this. Thanks for the upload.
@N4kras
@N4kras 4 жыл бұрын
Bring bookshelf stud to more videos!
@R0J0_II
@R0J0_II Жыл бұрын
Something else to consider about the black gate (and it may have already been mentioned)… perhaps it only operates for those Black Brothers who’ve said their vows to the old Gods as Sam did and likely most everyone did back when the wall was constructed. If a weirwood is living memory, in theory, the door being of weirwood can vouch for any brother who has said their oath beneath one.
@jarnobrofelt1891
@jarnobrofelt1891 4 жыл бұрын
Its allready happen in books, Manderly feeds people in Winterfell whit three Frye pies!
@jarnobrofelt1891
@jarnobrofelt1891 4 жыл бұрын
And after that he ask bard play the Rat cook song.
@armyofninjas9055
@armyofninjas9055 4 жыл бұрын
That's speculation. Not actually confirmed.
@amartinez016
@amartinez016 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Robert!! This was excellent!! Nightsfort is one of my favorite places :)
@elisebrodeur-jacobs5215
@elisebrodeur-jacobs5215 4 жыл бұрын
Yes! You just made my day a whole lot better!!
@roddammit5510
@roddammit5510 4 жыл бұрын
Wait a fuckin minute!! Ya got @Bookshelfstud? Great thanks for getting you two together!
@stephencreme4617
@stephencreme4617 4 жыл бұрын
The Old Gods’ issue with the Rat Cook was his breaking of Guestrite, they won’t have the same issue with Arya if she ends House Frey the same way in the books as in the show. I don’t remember them caring about the forced cannibalism.
@SingingSealRiana
@SingingSealRiana 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@RīcoDan90
@RīcoDan90 4 жыл бұрын
Rhaenyra’s name was removed from the annals. She was queen
@melb3950
@melb3950 4 жыл бұрын
Her name wasn't removed, just her brief time as Queen
@SingingSealRiana
@SingingSealRiana 3 жыл бұрын
If it where, you could not have knowen her name to write it in this comment
@pietrayday9915
@pietrayday9915 9 ай бұрын
Interesting about the Rat Cook story, with that Weirwood door leading to the well, and the Weirwood tree bursting through the floor of the kitchen: it seems those Weirwoods are frequently linked to references to cannibalism and blood sacrifice, and wherever Bran goes, taking him step by step closer to the Weirwood Throne, stories of cannibalism, blood sacrifice, and horror seem to follow - if I remember correctly, one of the earliest scenes we have with Bran might have been Old Nan telling him stories of the Long Winter and people eating each other in the cold night. There's a reason that the "Jojen Paste" theory seems to have so much momentum behind it with fans! Really, pretty much all of the Stark children and Catlyn could arguably be said to have taken some very dark paths in these novels - it's hard to say just how much of this comes from GRR Martin's ambiguous, dark, and creepy take on fantasy, but in almost any other story, the Starks' character developments would almost look like the backstories of villains!
@beevie4081
@beevie4081 11 ай бұрын
Ooh Ghost stalking Nightfort may have been hinted at via Symeon Star-Eyes' sighting if a hell hound there.
@wm867
@wm867 4 жыл бұрын
Bring back Maester Monthly!
@adamsmith2510
@adamsmith2510 4 жыл бұрын
Such a good conversation. I love the idea of Jon and Ghost killing the traitors in the Nightfort and then becoming legends. I want to add to your comment about Stannis and Mel being similar to NK and NQ, if the Night's King was a Stark, and if he had creepy demon babies with his magic wife, then he does remind me of Stannis and Renly. Only instead of being killed by his brother, Stannis killed his own brother using a creepy demon baby born of a magic woman.
@Valkanna.Nublet
@Valkanna.Nublet 4 жыл бұрын
After catching him live usually and watching him doing his outro waving at thin air it's a little amusing that things are actually there this time :D
@liverdave1977
@liverdave1977 2 жыл бұрын
Oh this is going to be a classic discussion 😃👍🏻
@NJNUNEZ
@NJNUNEZ 4 жыл бұрын
I love all of your Fire and Ice videos. Thanks for doing a great job.
@ShadeoftheEvening
@ShadeoftheEvening 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all the wonderful videos!!! I've seen Mike on Twitter 😁❤️✌️ I'm about to start streaming on my channel!! Streamyards is awesome 👍 We're doing Dunk and Egg. Kinda what we settled on. We watch and read different stuff, except for anything ASOIAF🤩 starting next week.
@armyofninjas9055
@armyofninjas9055 4 жыл бұрын
When I bought my new house, there was an old demonic door in the basement behind a bunch of old boxes. I just put a doorbell on it.
@barrilrayder
@barrilrayder 4 жыл бұрын
Definetly Shereen will be burnt in the night's fort, so sad.
@Valkanna.Nublet
@Valkanna.Nublet 4 жыл бұрын
There's something that confuses me about the black gate and the weirwood tree in the kitchen Due to the locations, with the wierwood and the black gate both being close to the well, it seems to imply that it's the same tree. But the thing is that the black gate is thousands of years old and existed while the castle was in use. The castle only stopped being used much more recently and it's only after that that the wierwood could grow through the kitchen. It seems strange that the two bits would be the same tree when there's such a time gap. Am I just misreading the distances?
@kragary
@kragary 4 жыл бұрын
I think the idea is that the young weirwood has sprouted from the old root system that still exists underneath the castle. There are clues in the story that weirwoods might behave more like a fungus than a tree. Their underground bits seem to be able to survive long after the bits above ground are gone. The root system may be the real organism, the trees pop up when convenient but aren't necessary.
@swayback7375
@swayback7375 10 ай бұрын
The entire nightfort is built around, and consists of that tree, it may be built within that tree as well. it’s the original tree, it’s the only one that moves or talks, it’s very special. It’s likely to made of another creature with its soul trapped in the tree. This Theme is repeated over and over, winterfell is much the same, built in tge shape of a weir wood, and built around the tree at the gods wood, which is likely the case for all the castles with weir woods at their center. Layers, many many layers that I can’t describe very well.
@Valkanna.Nublet
@Valkanna.Nublet 10 ай бұрын
@@swayback7375 But there's a small difference with the fort and places like Winterfell. In other places they build other buildings near their wierwood tree and then put a wall around everything. They have their tree in its own little area, like the Winterfell godswood. But the tree in the fort is literally inside the kitchen. I can't imagine that anyone would build a room/building around an existing tree, especially not in the North, due to needing a hole in the roof for the tree to stick out. So it's not logical for the tree to already be there when the fort was built. But the problem with that is that the underground part was there while the fort was in use. Even if we take the idea of the wierwood net, part of which is the idea that all the trees are linked through a system of roots, it still doesn't make sense. That hypothesis could mean that the bottom (ie underground) part of a tree grows first before growing above ground. However, if the Watch knew the tree was there then they would not build above it. So it seems to me that the only option is that the fort was built first, then the tree grew, then they had to move the kitchen to another building, and finally later the fort was abandoned. But that would mean that the fort wasn't built there because of the tree. But that's ok because we don't hear of any other fort having a wierwood inside its walls.
@belladoran222
@belladoran222 Ай бұрын
In my mind George is positively haunting these talks for ideas, it would be lovely if he dedicated the winds to lord Robert. 🙏 😂 aussie girl x ♥️
@larsthorsen4660
@larsthorsen4660 4 жыл бұрын
I very much enjoy your talks, thank you! You don't think The Others will withdraw at the end of the story, in order to repeat the cycle at a later time? Maybe the Nightfort will (maybe it even *should*) be used to house all the shell-shocked veterans of the Civil wars that are ravaging Westeros, and they will form the backbone of the next Night's Watch.
@chippersonsencyclopediaemp1318
@chippersonsencyclopediaemp1318 4 жыл бұрын
That would be rather fitting, hey. George is against war generally so the imagery of these poor souls, regardless of their lineage or where they come from are individualy broken from the terrible thing that is war and then banding together to solve real issues is fitting
@mirabellaj.miranda4453
@mirabellaj.miranda4453 4 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@jaderrdragonlover764
@jaderrdragonlover764 2 жыл бұрын
love the idea of Ghost hunting those who killed Jon. My feeling on the night fort is that once everything is settled it will be the new seat of the night's watch and the castle for Jon to rule from like his father and brother Benjen had planned for Jon. It is mentioned that they were going to work together with the nights watch since it was short handed and place people in some of the abandoned keeps and holds to help hold the wall, using one for Jon. And if the night's king was a stark how fitting would it be for a stark to replace him through his mother Lyanna?
@rockoutmichigan
@rockoutmichigan 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome rundown! Love these vids! I wrote a smutty fantasy book. Legends of the Brave Bard - Song of the Sacred Dove!
@OmniaExtrema
@OmniaExtrema 4 жыл бұрын
Perhaps the Black Gate was the first place the original Night’s Watch took their vows. If so, then saying the words before it might bind a man to being a black brother, whether they were before or not.
@docinsano2747
@docinsano2747 4 жыл бұрын
A bit of topic but i'll ask anyways. Do you think that Jon and Daenerys may first meat in a dream or a vision? I am pretty certain that Jon is going to have his house of the undying vision as he is coming back and Danny is gonna have a huge revelation in the Vaes Dorthrak, probably including more trippy visions. They will be happening more or less at the same time, so do you think they might get mind melded at some point?
@AlvaTheWayfaringKnight
@AlvaTheWayfaringKnight 8 ай бұрын
Sam and Jon said their vows infront of the like 9 trees in the circle. I think that's why Sam can get through.
@jackcoogan310
@jackcoogan310 4 жыл бұрын
I just had a realization. George RR Martin is famous for saying “Cripples, Bastards, and Broken Things”. I always assumed the Broken Things were broken characters like The Hound, but what if it is literal? The Horn found at the Fist of the First Men is called broken. If it is indeed the Horn of Winter, that could be the Broken Thing George was talking about.
@SporkyMcFly
@SporkyMcFly 4 жыл бұрын
If anything, it would be both. I think you're stretching, though.
@arcanics1971
@arcanics1971 4 жыл бұрын
I thing it is possible that it is a clue, but who knows.
@orumeyedre
@orumeyedre 3 жыл бұрын
I believe Bran will reach out to Jon in order to warn him of his Vision Kinda like how he did while Jon was under Halfhand, but would find out it's too late and instead reaches out to Ghost, he'll do this regularly during Jon's stay in Ghost's body, I think when Jon eventual resurrect , he and Ghost will truly become One , I believe his price would be his Smile and Laughter but he'll get it back when He reunites with Arya. I also believe his Appearance will be somewhat different , but I'm not sure how so.
@Feisty_Elfgirl_5258
@Feisty_Elfgirl_5258 Жыл бұрын
Stannis would be a very good Lord Commander and would probably enjoy it (as much as he would enjoy anything)
@johnsalkeld1088
@johnsalkeld1088 4 жыл бұрын
Do you think that the content George is writing for from softwares elden ring will have parallels?
@darkstar1650
@darkstar1650 4 жыл бұрын
Where's W.O.W GEORGE? ALL THIS TIME IN QUARANTINE, LETS GOOOO....
@saraforney3940
@saraforney3940 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve given up hope. Start reading Wheel of Time! There’s lots of books & the series is complete.
@JoniukasVader
@JoniukasVader 4 жыл бұрын
In Deep!
@AlternativeExplosion
@AlternativeExplosion 4 жыл бұрын
I think that The thing that came in the night is a clear reference to the Thing from another world (better known is the John Carpenter's remake The Thing), with the shapeshifting and killing people one by one.
@kragary
@kragary 4 жыл бұрын
And it's victims somehow become a part of it.
@KenDelloSandro7565
@KenDelloSandro7565 4 жыл бұрын
The Romans never erased historical leaders etc... I believe that they are referring to the Egyptian Pharaohs. Egyptians were known to erase their monarchs from history from time to time. Great vids
@tashacrawford770
@tashacrawford770 4 жыл бұрын
I love this so much!!!!!!
@KipIngram
@KipIngram 9 ай бұрын
14:50 - Ah, but Arya didn't violate guest rights. She legitimately "penetrated" Fray's domain.
@gavomorg762
@gavomorg762 4 жыл бұрын
Whwn jon comes back aemon line will come in 2 play "kill the boy .let the man be born" I also read this fantastic theory today by@ THE FATTESTLEACH which was so well presented and it was that melisandre was the one that had him stabbed and ws actually the one making marsh and co do it .I cant remember the exact text but bowen marsh or one of the others make out they are not in control of what they doing and Marsh with the tmarks of the tears that had been s streaming down his face and has mel says her power at the wall is stronger than ever and believes she could so real fuckes up stuff .have a read its called "The fattest leach jon snow fourth knife theory "
@dgtlrn
@dgtlrn 4 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't be surprised if - after Jon has been resurrected - we don't get a PoV chapter from him either forever, or for the whole of tWoW.
@armyofninjas9055
@armyofninjas9055 4 жыл бұрын
Resurrect = warging own corpse. Self-wighting. They're still "dead."
@1FATBOY114
@1FATBOY114 8 ай бұрын
The Nights King and The Bloodstone Emperor are basically the same story also I think Deny Flynt was The Nights Queen.
@bevindennett
@bevindennett 4 жыл бұрын
IN DEEP!!!
@sheilahilton356
@sheilahilton356 4 жыл бұрын
Sam read lots of books so he might know the password for the Black Gate while other Nights Watch people do not.
@alltheas8376
@alltheas8376 Жыл бұрын
Light skin and blue eyes are also valerian features.
@archmage_of_the_aether
@archmage_of_the_aether 9 ай бұрын
How about a Nightfort song in the tune of IASiP's Dayman? Drop it an octave, have it sung by self-serious NightWatchmen. "Ah AAAH ah"
@tscchope
@tscchope 4 жыл бұрын
Obviously the ancestor of the Bolton's.
@nickim6571
@nickim6571 4 жыл бұрын
Love your curly hair and beard! Not geeky at all.
@viggstable305
@viggstable305 4 жыл бұрын
Hands down the best foreshadowing in the Show is S3Ep10 - Bran tells the story of the Rat Cook, the next scene is of Walder Frey Talking Roose Bolton after Red Wedding... this then Gets Paid off with Walder Frey Eating his sons in the Pie in season 7... one of the things i commend the show on
@jimbo9313
@jimbo9313 4 жыл бұрын
@InDeepGeek If the Rat Cook is a warg then his offspring could mean his children which could be Starks. So he would eat Starks and not other rats? I know its a crazy thought.
@loganlabbe9767
@loganlabbe9767 Жыл бұрын
I am enamored with your voice
@davewade30
@davewade30 4 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't Harrenhall be the best place to fight the others? Since it is supposed to be invincible to a land attack?
@ShadeoftheEvening
@ShadeoftheEvening 4 жыл бұрын
The Night's Queen seems to be the only Other and woman that interacts with humans. Wonder how that worked 🤔
@armyofninjas9055
@armyofninjas9055 4 жыл бұрын
It shrinks?
@SingingSealRiana
@SingingSealRiana 3 жыл бұрын
Think she is not an other, but like Mel, but a pristress of ice instead. The nightfort has heavy child sacrefice symbolism. An other would simply freez you while getting close, so she needed to be something else. A wightmas dead would not be able to bear children to sacrefice but Mel had magic shadow Babys, so an inverted Version of her might be the mother,of the others
@joshuagordon5411
@joshuagordon5411 4 жыл бұрын
If the door opens for the Night Watch then couldn't Mance Rayder use the door.
@usazambia
@usazambia 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe he did
@jarnobrofelt1891
@jarnobrofelt1891 4 жыл бұрын
But i dont know why he would use door in the wall, while he is in Winterfell?
@SingingSealRiana
@SingingSealRiana 3 жыл бұрын
In ancient egypt erasing ones name was quite a comen practise
@Pr0digyZRX
@Pr0digyZRX 4 жыл бұрын
I like the ideas but I'm not sure GRRM is going to drop hints in all the stories old Nan tells Bran. It would make sense to give little nuggets and a lot of misinformation to keep the readers guessing. But that's just my thoughts
@TheNewPrometheus
@TheNewPrometheus 4 жыл бұрын
I think Jon abandoning the Nights Watch was already forshadowed earlier in the story. When he tried to run his friends brought him back. If they killed every man that ran to molestown etc it would be different if he actually left but he technically didn’t even leave yet and abandon his watch yet so by rights it unjustified execution of the Lord Commander. That’s the irony of “for the watch”, it wasn’t. Perhaps that’s why the god(s) allow him to be resurrected along with help of him being a skinchanger
@AnOpenMindedDrinker
@AnOpenMindedDrinker 4 жыл бұрын
Well done as always!
@bearislandjosh5279
@bearislandjosh5279 4 жыл бұрын
No Mad Axe??
@SamsonUno
@SamsonUno 4 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@N4kras
@N4kras 4 жыл бұрын
What a great topic! :D
@Diamabel
@Diamabel 4 жыл бұрын
First :-) Great Job You guys. always Fun listening to you
@curtdecker694
@curtdecker694 2 ай бұрын
The sad thing is you will never find out. It's clear George has no plans to ever finish this series.
@victoriat5103
@victoriat5103 4 жыл бұрын
I wish Robert would include his guest's name in the description. I think he used to...
@w_5492
@w_5492 4 жыл бұрын
Maester Monthly is included in the description. He says his name within the first couple mins...
@wanderbyy
@wanderbyy 4 жыл бұрын
Is Stannis's daughter still alive in the books? That would be another parallel, with him and Melisandre... child sacrifice if the show pulled from anything there.
@nickathanas1898
@nickathanas1898 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah Shireen is alive
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