SECURITY AND HANDCUFFS

[@joshuastittshall8688]

You basically answered the Question I was fixing to Ask, Your Company is Hands on when Needed.

[@thesecurityguardchannel]

Great information hall. As i said on Shaun's video, i have a host of reasons why MOST......security guards should avoid using handcuffs. I just finished a video on the topic, and would love your opinion. As always appreciate your feedback. Be Great

[@bluewolf5895]

In North Carolina we have Special Police. They are sworn in Police Officers who work for private entities, usually security companies. In South Carolina security are given SLED (State Law Enforcement Directive) cards that grand them the authority of a Sheriff Deputy while on the property. Their companies have to give them permission to perform arrests though. Security cars can also have blue lights on them.

[@commanderhall848]

Wow thanks for the information

[@bluewolf5895]

@@commanderhall848 no problem, one clarification though. The NC special Police work for actual private police departments I.E the Allied Universal Special Police Department. Which does actually exist here.

[@TheAmericanDreamChaser]

I carry hand cuffs mostly for the police if they need an extra set temporarily in the mist of things. Fighting subjects sometimes need 2 set and big people. Only had to use them once.

[@joshuastittshall8688]

Btw I did some research because I'm thinking of moving out of Tennessee and going somewhere where security can be REAL SECURITY because, Tennessee ain't a hundred 100% fitting the bill for me, but anyway here is some states I found with security officer Arrest or Arrest and Detain Powers. 1.South Carolina gives Security The power to Arrest. 2.Missouri Security Officers have Arrest and Detain Powers and they can search and seize Evidence related to the crime. 3. Virginia Security Officers have Arrest Authority in fact, Resisting a Security Officers Arrest can Add Resisting arrest to the Charges Which is a 12 month Misdemeanor in Virginia, and the Security Officer has to be legally considered the ARRESTING OFFICER. 4. Nebraska gives Security Officers The Power to Arrest and Detain. Also unrelated to arrests but in Nebraska Security can use Red/Blue Lights BUT, Their law Clearly States that no Security Vehicle under any Circumstances have any Business operating them, Regardless of Their Colors outside the Jurisdiction of their Posts.

[@thomasrodgers2291]

Nebraska has no regulatory agency or laws regarding security, outside of Omaha or Lincoln, so they have no additional arrest authority. I have a buddy that owns a security company down there, so I know a little about the state. As for red/blues, again, because they have no regulatory agency or laws, they can have them, but I would still be careful, the troopers down there will not take kindly to security using their lights on roadways for any reason.

[@joshuastittshall8688]

@@thomasrodgers2291 it says right here on the Nebraska legislature website. Every sheriff, deputy sheriff, marshal, deputy marshal, *Security Guard* , police officer, or peace officer as defined in subdivision (15) of section 49-801 shall arrest and detain any person found violating any law of this state or any legal ordinance of any city or incorporated village until a legal warrant can be obtained, except that (1) any such law enforcement officer taking a juvenile under the age of eighteen years into his or her custody for any violation herein defined shall proceed as set forth in sections 43-248, 43-248.01, 43-250, 43-251, 43-251.01, and 43-253 and (2) the court in which the juvenile is to appear shall not accept a plea from the juvenile until finding that the parents of the juvenile have been notified or that reasonable efforts to notify such parents have been made as provided in section 43-250.

[@thomasrodgers2291]

Here in Utah, we also have standard citizens arrest, nothing fancy for security. Now, citizens arrest allows for a citizen to detain in the event that a public offense is committed in the presence of the citizen, a public offense essentially being any type of law that you could commit, or if the citizen has reasonable suspicion or evidence that a person has committed a felony act, whether in the presence of or not. Now, as a security officer working hands on companies for essentially my entire career, I have always carried handcuffs. However, I've always only used cuffs in only a few cases, such as when a person is violent or unruly, when a person attempts to flee a crime having been committed, or if found having broken into a vehicle or building, some sort of crime like that. Some of these also are dependent upon how the person acts. Found a man that had broken into a building one time during an alarm response, he made his way in through an unsecure window during winter time to keep warm. When we found him, he was cooperative and gave no issues, so after patting him down, there was no further need to place him in cuffs. It really is just dependent on the situation I believe, but if it can be avoided, absolutely do so...

[@commanderhall848]

Absolutely thank u for the response

[@jakejudson8578]

I carry handcuffs mostly for show but if I need them I have them. From what I've been taught security needs handcuffs.

[@stagalgiz1097]

On my opinion they do. However in my opinion and from my state statutes standpoint, unless POST certified they are not allowed to deploy. We went through this my first security detail at a demo derby. We were given string restraints (temporary restraints) in the event we would need to use them to detain. Mind you I'm covered under LEO statutes as is my buddy who was National Guard. We argued that we should have cuffs. Our employer informed us it was a grey area.... Until he met with the county Sheriff and the chief of police who informed him that due to our previous POST certs we and to a larger extent, the company is covered as we were POST certified in the employment of handcuffs and restraints. Therefore, our employer is covered as are we from unlawful detainment, but only the two of us and two other former LEO's are allowed to carry handcuffs and handcuff keys on our person. Should our employer or one of the other employees, who are not not nor have never been POST certified (including a former corrections officer) be caught with handcuffs or handcuff keys, they will be charged according to statute until trial.

[@Gamer2k99]

Man I remember coming into the security field new carrying handcuffs oc pepper spray and a baton and the company was letting me carry it but didn’t know at the time I needed certification for all of that biggest lesson learned is get all ur certifications and use them all right and including the handcuffs nd p.s learn the laws in your state don’t got by what other say

[@commanderhall848]

Absolutely

[@joshuastittshall8688]

I've Learned that a looong time ago, just because a cop says something doesn't mean it'll match up with what the Tennessee TCA CODE Says.

[@stagalgiz1097]

I just watched Shawn's video. I can say from the Wyoming standpoint and from what the chief of police in my city has explained, there are only 4 of us authorized and allowed to use handcuffs (myself, two other former police officers and one of us who is former Wyoming national Guard) as we are POST certified to carry and deploy handcuffs. We do have a former corrections officer on with us who is trained, but not fully POST certified to deploy handcuffs without a waiver and undergoing an additional few hours of training with the police department to carry his handcuffs. That being said, in Wyoming we are allowed to detain and restrain with in the purview of the law, per a citizen's arrest. That only covers felony and high misdemeanor cases, per state statute, within our view. Because of my previous POST certification I am authorized to carry and deploy handcuffs and effect an arrest, under Wyoming statute. However, it will still be considered a "citizen's arrest under special circumstances" because of my background. I.E. I can legally effect an arrest as can the other former officers, and the former National Guardsman. In the instance you are discussing int he video, I would have absolutely effected a citizen's arrest. Shawn makes a valid point, as do you, but for me to do so falls into a special category. I have, post law enforcement, held two subjects at gun point outside of my home. They were attempting to break in. They tried to get the deputies and officers who responded to arrest me for assault with a deadly weapon (they would have been within the law if it weren't for that pesky little thing about me being a former LEO and therefore covered under statute to effect an arrest at that point or draw my weapon). They tried, while in custody, to force them to arrest me for brandishing as well (while Wyoming does have a castle doctrine, it only means they have to make unlawful entry into my home) but again I'm covered under my former service. I was not required, per Statute to unload my weapon or remove the magazine (again because I'm former LEO and therefore covered under the law to detain them at gun point). I did however, and handed my weapon to the officers and deputies, but was told not to as under the law I was making a lawful arrest (again the fact that I'm a former LEO covers me and comes into play). The male and female subject were basically told that because I'm a former LEO their complaints and attempted charges are not covered under Wyoming statute because I was trained and certified to know when they were attempting to commit a felony by attempting to break and enter my home. Regardless if they were on the property of my mobile home community when my weapon was drawn and aimed at them, because I was stopping them from committing a felony on my home and I was a former law enforcement officer, their complaints and attempts to press charges were now void. It was seen as a "police officer discharging his duties to prevent a felony from being committed" and therefore was covered under the statute. Had it been my friend who is a former corrections officer, he would have been arrested and cited for both brandishing and misdemeanor battery with a deadly weapon. Granted charges would have been dropper, but he would have had to go to county with the subjects. I was not charged, nor cited with anything because again I fall under the statute.

[@commanderhall848]

Thanks for the response wow

[@stagalgiz1097]

@@commanderhall848 it was never something I ever wanted to do again, but instinct and training took hold and that's when I found out I was informed by deputies and PD I was covered. I should have known or correctly remembered, but at the time I was acting on instinct and muscle memory. I didn't know at the time if they were armed (they weren't, I discovered this when I had them raise their shirts to see their waistbands and turn, one make and one female, and then had them prone out until backup arrived). Had they made entry, armed or not I would have been covered, civilian or former LEO a like, if I discharged my sidearm. That again is castle doctrine. Under the new stand your ground law I would still be covered, at the time stand your ground was a distant dream.

[@jayschannel7303]

What’s his channel

[@PBE86]

I put cuffs on a proven shoplifter & the police never came for 3 hours but we seen two philly cop cars drive pass. I had to let him go or take him to the preceint. 😅 The morale of the story is ITS YOUR PROBLEM & YOU BETTER HANDLE IT WITHOUT THE COPS AS IF YOU A COPS otherwise your company aint gonna be at that long

[@stagalgiz1097]

I would have transported out of frustration. But that is me and that again depends on what your state statutes say.

[@foxvalleymetropublicsafety5326]

This is the mother of all gray areas as anyone that has gone through Defense and Arrest tactics or ASP as a police officer know the exact time cuffs should be deployed. From being a former law enforcement officer we cuffed all the time for officer safety purposes if the subject displayed certain furtive movements or verbally indicated they would hurt someone. Now here is the question of the day. What liability are you incurring if you don't detain an individual that has made multiple serious threats to harm others on the property in which you are contracted to provide security protective services. And that person now attacks and seriously injures or kills someone. Are you and your agency liable??? What does your contract say and what does the client expect in these type of situations to be done. I have have seen a few recent cases in which the security officer conducted standard operations only to have the client go on the news and state they would never let security do this or that. It comes down to one factor of concern. Was the person you placed in handcuffs a danger to themselves or others? And did you use reasonable force? What certifications do you have in applying and using handcuffs? what is your states laws on security detaining citizens. And finally what is in your contract that the client signed on for.

[@SnapshotSniper]

Use zip tie cuffs