Sega Xtreme Saturn Homebrew Competition 2020 | PandaMonium reviews every entry in the 2020 lineup

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

Yeah I know I mispronounced Wolfenstein. My Shiro teammate Patrick Traynor did a stream of these games alongside an amazing round table discussion with the developers and patchers: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJ3CmGiBbryIi9E

[@retractingblinds]

Despite the games existing, the tough to develop for reputation still holds true. These guys beat their heads against the thing (and its less-than-stellar emulators) to squeeze out performance. Death by 1,000 VDP1/VDP2 restrictions is the Saturn mantra to me.

[@RolandoMarreroPR]

Finally some creamy 3D graphics!

[@natelawrence]

Chapter codes for video description: 00:00 Considering Robert Leyland's Words 00:26 Robert Leyland's Quote 00:59 Sega Saturn Homebrew Montage 02:02 PandaMonium's Fellow Contest Judges 02:16 Test + Capture Methodology ::: ORIGINAL GAMES 02:43 Hellslave by XL2 04:37 test vbx by vbt 05:06 Flicky's Flock by slinga 05:59 Sonic Z-Treme Metal Sonic by XL2 07:37 Cyberblock Metal Orange by ndiddy 08:37 Final Fantasy Demo by TrekkiesUnite118 09:04 Final Burn Neo by vbt 09:51 Tank Game by SuperReye 10:52 Cube Cat by 7shades 13:04 Sickle by Ervilsoft 13:56 Kriss Mingle by Cobradile 14:52 Pony Game by Ponut64 15:43 Seniriu by Emerald Nova 16:09 Wolfenstein 3-D by vbt 16:39 Heroic-Vania by mrkotfw 17:09 ::: HACKS, PATCHES, & TRANSLATIONS 17:14 Dracula X (Symphony of the Night) by Knight0fDragon 18:25 Save Game Extractor 0.98 by slinga 18:44 Grandia by TrekkiesUnite118 19:43 Lunar: Silver Star Story v1.2 Dub Edition by Mr Conan 20:37 Fire Prowrestling: 6Men Scramble by malenko 21:08 Floppy Disc Drive Operator by TrekkiesUnite118 21:29 And that's all the entrants! Thank you! 21:50 Thanks to Emerald Nova for hosting the contest! 21:59 SaturnDave's Stream: kzbin.infosfJ1gcXL8Xk 22:01 TraynoCo's Stream: kzbin.infoZl_g5K9WUUo 22:14 PandaMonium's Rankings Contest results: kzbin.infoF8wk8HDSDME

[@DreamcastFreak]

Hehe, I'm DreamcastFreak, i designed sexy Santa. I'm so flattered to see my creation be seen by the world! 😅✌🏾

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

Hell yes! Keep up the good work.

[@DreamcastFreak]

@@PandaMoniumReviews i most definitely will!

[@brianpj5860]

Wow that segment @ 6:34 was a blast from the past, and brought back some forgotten childhood memories. Thats PJ Phil from YTV, my favorite host from The Zone. I haven’t thought about him since my pre-teens, I wonder what he is doing these days. Im gonna look up him after this, thanks for that!

[@randybutternubs4647]

This is wonderful news! At this rate, maybe it won't be long before we see english translations of Baroke, Darkseed, and Feda Emblem of Justice.

[@dejiko]

That shooter looks sick

[@welikewhatwelikenetwork1213]

Always amazing seeing the community continue to push the boundaries of what the Saturn saw during it's short time. And, just as exciting have these ports and fan translations. There's some killer work going on out there. Phenomenal job covering these. Happy to be a new subscriber!

[@unity6926]

Incredible coverage man, these look so sick.

[@MichaelGreen-dm2ov]

Really cool to see sum homebrews for the Mighty Saturn. Keep it up Panda

[@G18999]

AMAZING!!! HELLSLAVE looks incredible!

[@jeremybowers3181]

Dude!! This makes this og SATURN soldier soooo hyped!👊💥🇺🇲 Kick ASS.

[@K-Blao]

This is so dope. Subscribed

[@gibsonadd1542]

Cool video,Man! Keep up with the good work!

[@besotoxicomusic]

FirePro and AJPW feat Virtua were literally the reasons I bought a Saturn back in the 90s. I had a small novel of printed paper with translations to help make the CAW manageable.

[@JMFSpike]

It simply cannot be overstated just how huge of a deal those translations are! This is especially true for Symphony of the Night, Grandia and Lunar. Sadly, only the most hardcore of old-school gamers will understand why. If you're reading this and don't understand why it's a big deal since we already got English versions of these on PS1, I would urge you to do your research. I will not go into all the details here, but basically the Saturn versions are superior due to being higher resolution and having extra content. (SotN on Saturn was a lazy port that was only superior content-wise, but this translation fixes that.)

[@segadriven]

That Lunar Silver Star Story translation is definitely getting downloaded. Had a JP copy of it for ages but it's a little impenetrable for me

[@breaktube]

Woah...who is this "Trekky" person ? They have so many amazing projects they are working on !

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

TrekkiesUnite played a big role in the fan translation of Sakura Wars for Saturn, and has really excelled in these other projects. Super hard worker and very good at what he does.

[@breaktube]

@@PandaMoniumReviews Yeah, was mentioned not only on their projects...but assisting in most of the projects listed in this video. Very inspirational !

[@OmYoJEL]

I've been looking for a video like this for ages, for years and years I've wondered, now that we know more about how Saturn worked, when will we get games that look better than official releases? Well that first person shooter proved just how good Saturn was but was never fully realised. Quite amazing as it quite easily goes toe to toe with an N64 if not surpassing it.

[@eukara]

Hellslave needs to get some artists in contributing, taking assets/sounds from all over Quake sours the initial impression despite the technical achievement. Cubecat looks very cute.

[@BryanTruong]

The Wolf 3D demo has me hopeful someone will tackle a proper Doom port

[@puertoricanguy999]

Well, your best bet would be to wait for Erick194 of GEC to reverse engineer the Saturn Doom port, just like he did with the PlayStation version.

[@BryanTruong]

@@puertoricanguy999 that sounds interesting

[@frankynakamoto2308]

They can make Saturn games inside the ram cartridge if you make the cartridge with more ram and add the game inside the RAM. The Saturn can also output a 420p in the video card. Just look at BULKSLASH

[@1515jet]

Can we plzzzzzzz get a Snatcher translation on the Saturn!?

[@waaaand]

Most of these honestly all look better than most of the Dreamcast's homebrew games

[@smokeydops]

very fun video to watch :)

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

Thank you for all that you’re doing for this console!

[@Alianger]

Life is good.

[@Bofner]

Omfg I need Cube Cat in my life

[@m_tpa]

ooooo saturn. i get it

[@jc_dogen]

garfield first place

[@CasperEgas]

For Wolfenstein, pretend it reads Wolfenst-I-n, instead of Wolfensteen. Ei in German is close to an I in English.

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

Thanks! 😅

[@CasperEgas]

@@PandaMoniumReviews You're welcome. Keep up the good work with the videos.

[@RetroGamerBB]

Is the source open for that XL engine?😎 I'd like to see it running on the 3do 🤘

[@notturok7841]

We need a Zelda/Metroid on Saturn as like a clone idea or something. Third person shooter like jet force Gemini

[@mrbig2648]

Great video. Have any of these been done using assembly language, or are they all being developed using the Jo Engine?

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

I’m not totally sure. I do know many of them are using the Jo Engine, pretty sure some are not. I’ll have to check.

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

So it sounds like none of the 3D games use Jo Engine. Those are using different versions of the Sega Graphics Library.

[@mrbig2648]

@@PandaMoniumReviews Thanks for the reply. The guy who makes Hellslave sometimes replies in the comments of his videos, I though I remembered him saying that he started off using the Jo Engine and then branched out from there (I'm probably wrong). An interesting thing I am sure about is that he said the 4MB RAM cart isn't useful for 3D games it is just too slow in terms of accessing data, which it why he doesn't use it. It seems that it's only useful for 2D games.

[@BouncekDeLemos]

Does anyone still have the Cyberblock Metal Orange demo? Every link that went to it is now dead. :(

[@aortaplatinum]

Call me a masochist but Hellslave is making me want to play an FPS even if I have to use a controller instead of mouse & keyboard. These all look incredible, I cannot frickin wait to play Grandia and Lunar. I'd love to see the Sonic Xtreme Metal Blade demo expanded into a full recreation of Sonic Xtreme, and if so hopefully this one will actually get finished. Mad respect to the creator of Sonic Zstreme and the guys behind Project AXSX, but you can't just drop demo work of that quality and then vanish!

[@planescaped]

Hah, an NJPW game. Complete with Chris Benoit. XD Also, Black Tiger II, who you chose, was played by Chris Jericho IIRC.

[@unhingedresolve512]

I NEED a 2d saturn fighter homebrew that's animated like 3d strike. ALSO if anyone can recommend me anything as expressed above would be appreciated.

[@ninjapants7688]

The Music for HellSlave isn't original, it's spliced together music from an Elecronica/Metal/Industrial band named "Flesh Field"

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

Thank you! I guessed it might not have been original and wondered where it came from. Very surprised KZbin didn’t copyright strike my video. Good ear!

[@ninjapants7688]

@@PandaMoniumReviews Been a Flesh Field fan for over 20 years, so I recognized it immediately. I think the reason why YT did not copyright strike the music is because the samples are too short for the algorithm to pick up. Many people have uploaded full playthroughs and not had any issue, so you should be safe.

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

@@ninjapants7688 You gave me a great new band to check out. ^_^

[@ninjapants7688]

@@PandaMoniumReviews Rad. Enjoy. They got some good stuff worth cranking up.

[@Sinn0100]

Oh my God! How do I get my hands on thess games?! I want them all minus the Santa dating deal...I don't even know why that would be a thing. The cat game reminds me of Jumping Flash for the original PlayStation. Addendum- I thought the Sonic game for the Saturn was called Sonic Crackers?

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

They are all available in the link in the description. All can be burnt to discs and played with Psuedo Saturn, emulators and most ODE’s.

[@Sinn0100]

@@PandaMoniumReviews Thank you my good sir! I can't wait to try out that drop dead gorgeous FPS! Can you imagine that game hitting in 1995-1997?! That sure would have stopped that "Saturn can't do 3d games" business real quick. I honestly believe the Saturn at its full potential could smoke an N64. It's all down to efficiency and the use of multiprocessors. In 1995, that was a mystery to even the most seasoned of game designers. Today, things are very different...I can't think of a single game made utilizing a single processor like they did in back in the 5th generation. Further, if one were to utilize the 4Mb RAM expansion along with all of the Sega Saturn hardware....I think it would absolutely wipe the floor with every console of the 5th generation.

[@greenEYEDdj]

Anyway to get these on a MODE?

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

@@greenEYEDdj That's a good question for SaturnDave. He owns a MODE and used it to play these games recently.

[@greenEYEDdj]

@@PandaMoniumReviews wow. I never talked to anyone famous before. Looking forward to your next video. You and sega lord x are my go toos.

[@BubblegumCrash332]

Is there a link to that interview?

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2elcpV3Z76AbNE

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

And this is the review with his sound bytes: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3OzaGttarJ-nqc

[@frankpizza7337]

Great video, man. Unfortunately I will have to give it a 0/10 as you did not place "test" high enough. Better luck next time!

[@savageduck2613]

Wow

[@skins4thewin]

LOL that knife/sword animation in HellSlave needs some work. Game looks amazing otherwise!

[@jonbourgoin182]

It's clear some of these were horrible, finished or not. But you just didn't have it in your heart to bash them. I get it.

[@2003hondacivic..........]

i wonder why sonic xtreme is still imcomplete

[@notturok7841]

Princess crown needs to be in English

[@FinnMcCoolOfficial]

wolfensteeen

[@Imgema]

Yeah but, that FPS game.... It looks like it has pretty simplistic, empty level design. It's not as complex looking as Quake or Duke Nukem 3D at all.

[@codmott286]

I hate this myth that programmers simply "werent good enuf" to develop for the saturn. Acting like because the saturn has a dozen coprocessors that you could execute any random code on was a good thing is a misnomer. It was difficult to develop for because the architecture was *bad*, and no degree of finesse was going to make up for this. PSX games looked far superior not just because it was easier to develop for, but because the marriage of components was simply superior. Even cycle perfect code design could never make a game look as good on the saturn as it could on the PSX.

[@knight0fdragon]

Not sure where you’re going with this….. 1st. “Programmers weren’t good enough” is not the myth. You may be confusing it with the programmers did not know how to program for the Saturn, which are 2 different things. 2nd. No, the architecture is not bad, it is simply built entirely different than the way that PlayStation was designed that developers were forced to pick a side, and then have the port to the other system be inferior because of it. There are quite a number of games on the Saturn that could not be done in the same way on PlayStation. Dragon Force and Panzer Dragoon Zwei are two games that would have suffered on the PSX due to the PlayStation being unable to render infinite planes or sprites without an excessive number of polygons. The problem with the “architecture” was simply that the documentation behind it was absolutely terrible. Since we now have 25+ years of documentation and resource and community members correcting the poor documentation, we are getting more and more people learning that it is not difficult, just different, and creating some awesome new works for the system.

[@codmott286]

@@knight0fdragon what you cite as an advantage is actually a crutch. Nobody wanted to do infinite plains, that was simply a poor man's way out of rendering proper 3d landscapes. The panzer dragoon games arent enhanced by "water to the horizon" depth, they're handicapped by it. You get a game that is clearly falling back on a gimmick because the system itself was no good at rendering large outdoor areas, hence the reason it played "on rails" to begin with.

[@knight0fdragon]

… lol “nobody wanted to do infinite planes”. Well, that simply told me everything I needed to know. Thank you.

[@codmott286]

@@knight0fdragon fanboys are so easily triggered. Infinite planes was nothing more than a cheap way to render the ground in what should have been fully 3d worlds, like what the PSX would do.

[@knight0fdragon]

@@codmott286 yes, especially sony fan boys ;-)

[@skins4thewin]

S-Video? Meh... You really oughta get yourself an OSSC. They are not much more expensive than a RetroTINK 2X unit these days so there's not much reason not to. And I'm not referring to the Chinese knockoff ones either. They are now quite cheap even on the official site.

[@skins4thewin]

..... Did you seriously just say Wolfensteen? Dude... You've seriously never played Wolfenstein 3D before? It's pronounced stine, not steen.

[@A31Chris]

In that first scene is that Dinosaur National Monument in Utah? Hell I was just there.