She-Hulk: An Exercise in Spite

[@EthanDillonFilms]

She broke into the real world to speak to the manager. Honestly the most fitting ending to the show

[@mikeshoults4155]

Green Karen

[@Niever]

@Mike Shoults She-Karen?

[@spritemon98]

She's the ultimate Karen

[@mat2000100]

At least they admitted the show sucked lol.

[@professoridiot26]

@@mat2000100 admitting a show’s faults in the show doesn’t make it any better

[@brianensign7638]

You know, I can actually believe that the writers have only experienced men as “arrogant jerks or weak beta males.” Those are the only kinds of men who would waste any time on bitter and spiteful women. Every time I hear an abrasive woman ask, “where have all the good men gone?” I think to myself, “they’re all around you, but they’re actively avoiding you because you’re poison.”

[@greenarrow219]

So true

[@DeadPixel1105]

Very well said!

[@brianensign7638]

By the way, I should add-this also goes the other way. Every time I hear a bitter guy going on about how all women are shallow, narcissistic, and manipulative, I think to myself; “That’s the kind of woman you attract to yourself. All the kind, empathetic women with any degree of self-control are avoiding you because your life is a mess they don’t want to get involved in.”

[@arcturusregula3970]

Also, they dont want the good men, anyway.

[@brianensign7638]

@@arcturusregula3970 Indeed. They’re uncomfortable around good men because they know they don’t deserve them.

[@syedcruz7820]

She-hulk is literally the reason I will cancel the whole Disney bundle. This hostility towards fans should never be rewarded.

[@haxelhoff4809]

I just did when i got to episode 4 of she hulk.. just so incredible dissapointed

[@johndurham6172]

Wish more people would take your example.

[@g00gleisgayerthanaids56]

"Will cancel" fuckin do it already cashcow

[@lylesbuttersworth3453]

Cancel all of it, don't even torrent it

[@DiggitySlice]

So She-Hulk was what put you over the edge? Not the acceptance of concentration camps in China?

[@EmisoraRadioPatio]

“Pride always comes before a fall.” I couldn’t agree more.

[@ricardomilos10]

"feminism is not about hating men, stop being paranoid" Feminist shows:

[@mattiasilva1705]

If She-hulk is a feminist show, i am a cargo ship. Literally everyone hated this disgrace of a show, even my fellows female friends and colleagues

[@greenhat8978]

Feminism isn't about hating men.... Toxic feminism is.

[@cormoran2303]

@@greenhat8978 So, feminism. Because when feminists use 'toxic masculinity' they always mean 'masculinity'.

[@PappyGunn]

@@greenhat8978 They are the same thing

[@mr.green2341]

@@mattiasilva1705 Yeah, but intersectional feminists hate and resent other women, too. Any that don’t adhere to their bitter, resentful, victim-driven, and narcissistic dogma. 😒

[@UltraGalaxyify]

Like the Razorfist once said: The opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference. If no one watches it, it will fade away into irrelevancy

[@cosmicprison9819]

She-Hulk: “When incompetent men explain my own area of expertise to me.” Says that as she’s explaining the Hulk’s area of expertise to him 😂.

[@cormoran2303]

Then we learn through the rest of the show that she's an astonishingly incompetent lawyer who likely has had to have a lot explained to her.

[@harbl99]

...she said as she wrote a third-rate pastiche of a man's creation. Oh, hi Jess.

[@spritemon98]

Not to mention she gets overly aggressive and angry and the slightest thing

[@magallanesagustin4952]

She also complains about being catcalled while also sending the whole episode obsessed about whether Captain America was a virgin or not.

[@chrisbullard5901]

Yes, and when the same “great female lawyer” loses to a B-list MCU character because she tries to directly violate the US Constitution, she has the gaul to say she doesn’t need education in the profession that requires a much higher level of professional ethics than being a floozy office girl shaking her butt.

[@carnacthemagnificent2498]

My favorite moment in the show will always be when she gets super angry at someone who didn't don anything wrong while explaining how excellent she is at controlling her anger.

[@cantchooseaname88]

So all you guys really just watched the first episode and ran with that huh?

[@Niever]

@Broke College Dad yup, potatoes and onions with cheese

[@sh-hg4eg]

@@cantchooseaname88 what? The guy is pointing out a memorable moment in which the show revealed how ridiculous it was.

[@cantchooseaname88]

@@sh-hg4eg "she had a bad line in the first episode, the whole series is garbage. But not because shes a woman, if it were just written better I'd have no problem with it. And maybe if she wasn't like, so much of a woman I'd be ok with it too"

[@cantchooseaname88]

@@sh-hg4eg none of these other shows are knit picked even close to the level that this show is, and that's because it has a point that misogynists don't like, but as a man I found them all to be pretty level and accurate. And like I said, all of these comments are from people who watched one episode or a trailer, unless you've seen her journey throughout the entire season it's pretty stupid to have a bad opinion on the entire show

[@RetroPages]

Totally trolled the audience with our bad writing and plots. Got em.

[@editorrbr2107]

I think it is telling that in a seven or eight episode television show, that the writing was cobbled together at the last minute, and written reactively, that the showrunner was able to actually put in topical “gotchas.” These morons had absolutely no idea of what they were doing or what they wanted to do with this character or IP

[@railfan_3371]

"It's ok guys, we were simply PRETENDING to be bad at writing"

[@name-vi6fs]

Remember when Netflix made a good female comic book show that people liked? I member. RIP, Jessica Jones.

[@hephaestus6365]

Right?!? It's a true talent how they manage to cherry pick history. Black Panther was the first black superhero film and men hate female leads. Like you say, Jessica Jones was really well liked. Sigourney Weaver as Ripley is a f'ing national treasure. Blade happened. Three times! There are many, many more examples, but I'm at work and distracted lol.

[@chainsawsubtlety9828]

Tegridy Farms remembers.

[@daboz8753]

oh I 'member!🍇

[@THERHINO8624]

Jessica Jones was great

[@cormoran2303]

Notice how they didn't have Jessica Jones doing a cameo? Her issues with Kilgrave would have made She-Hulk crying about evil men look even more laughable.

[@anthonyguidas2012]

That first season felt like the writers were literally just working through their own personal issues.

[@theequalizer9154]

This She-Hulk series, "Head writer" Jessica Gao, regarding her statements, she just proved that she has the mentality and emotions of a petulant 12-year-old child. Someone needs to tell her that it is not the Marvel fans' fault that she did not get a date at high school prom. I'll bet that still bothers her to this very day. All saw that reflected on that horror She-Hulk series.

[@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623]

Oh, she got a date on prom night alright. And probably pumped and dumped. And again and again and again after that. That's how bitter Karen's get made. They chase the bad boys, who pump and dump them, then in their 30's they hit the wall, bad boys are no longer interested and suddenly all men are now trash.

[@johnstrawb3521]

Gao is also deranged and disgusting---she and Maslany claimed to be making a series 'children could watch.'

[@SirBlackReeds]

And to think Dan Harmon & Justin Roiland wanted her on Rick & Morty's writing team.

[@goldtiger9453]

Sounds like she has too many soulless tinder hookups and it gave her a negative view on men. But honestly no one should abuse tinder

[@JohnDoe-dr9ff]

I rather enjoy the interviews with writers of these woke shows. It shows just how creatively and comically void they are. They are evidence of the effect of gold stars for art resulted in. Participation trophies for kids with no creative talent have given us these writers once they grew up. It only makes sense. They were horrible in school, and they are horrible in the professional field. They are talentless, comically void, and worthless.

[@deathbysloth]

"Gao is a genius. She predicted that people wouldn't like it when she farted directly in their faces."

[@nishidkhode8604]

Well if she's a genius then I'm Einstein 👍

[@zeehero7280]

wait people don't like that? WHY!?! MIND BLOWN!! 😂

[@DangericeDreams]

That was a fantastic demonstration of what is wrong with the MCU these days.

[@brettloo7588]

Dave is on point and identifies the good reasons for why we hate the current tac on media 'product'

[@fernando_u]

the MCU is dead and this type of products killed it

[@Peterski]

At least they were honest about one thing - recent MCU scripts are produced by an AI ;-)

[@shadowbeast2276]

And with people like her

[@mr.vargas5648]

The meassage is al over the m-she-u. And its a real turn off.

[@DarkTemplarKain]

In a nutshell, they are pulling the classic move every narcissist makes Poke the bear, the bear reacts, "OH SEE! I? TOLD YOU THEY WERE REALLY THE BAD GUYS THE WHOLE TIME!"

[@Unvaccinated69]

That's what women do, why do you think the rates of domestic violence are highest among lesbian couples and lowest with gay male couples

[@robadamson1]

This the equivalent of a grocery store staff taking pictures of themselves licking tubs of ice cream and putting them back in the freezers and then publishing those pictures.

[@pigeonpoo1823]

hahahahahahahaha

[@CoffeeConnected]

Then saying that they did it because they predicted that they'd be hated for doing it.

[@superhyrulean]

No, it's the equlivamt of taking a big fat,nasty,diarrhea,green shit into a empty can of chill at the canning and manufacturing plant, canning it with everyone on the assembly line knowing what it is anyway and in on it then selling it on the shelf at the store and if anyone complains about it, they tell us all to take a bite, smile and enjoy it.

[@r3dr4te963]

And then complain to their manager/ boss because they don't like the taste of the ice cream.

[@denimchicken104]

Not quite. Those grocery store workers would actually be punished for their crimes, unlike the show’s writers.

[@IPA300]

The part where Jen becomes Karen-hulk and leaves the MCU to complain to the manager was stunning and brave.

[@zeehero7280]

She lived long enough to become the villain! truly a character arc! tune in next time for the adventures of MANAGER MAN!!!! (We wish)

[@MariaIsabellaZNN]

I like how proud they were to accurately have predicted the response to the show. It's like me accurately predicting that someone will get pissy if I spit in their face. I don't exactly need to be Cassandra to see that one coming.

[@JMetz]

Thumbs up for the Cassandra reference. :)

[@goldtiger9453]

They don't care about us because they know we will come back for a huge crossover event. Now they want to pull in other demographics like Twitter feminists and anti men groups. These groups watch out of spite.

[@denimchicken104]

“Lol. I totally knew that when I grabbed that woman’s ass on the street she would turn around and slap me, and her boyfriend would beat me up. I’m so good at what I do.”

[@hellacoorinna9995]

They know it's going to suck beforehand, so they weirdly pre-empt it by attacking first, so when it does (as they knew it would) suck, they can just say "Not our fault"

[@benjaminngopwaamos6878]

Exactly! And people on twitter acted like it was some revolutionary moment in TV history. They brazenly declared how prophetic this was from the writers.

[@davidsumner7604]

A lot of this actually sounds like damage control. "You see, we MEANT it to be terrible. Yeah, that's it."

[@howardfernald901]

So it's official: the "spite show" is a thing and we can expect more of these until Hollywood finally gets tired of losing money.

[@sh-hg4eg]

The problem is that they have that much money that they're now just happy to spend it on power and projections of power.

[@RhenishHelm]

It's probably been mentioned before, but I don't remember this kind of negative backlash in any way when Jessica Jones premiered. It wasn't a masterpiece, but it was very well received, and didn't treat the men in its audience like garbage. It also made good use of its limited budget.

[@BradStarnes]

If they actually knew anything about She-Hulk they'd have known what a beloved character she was. And hey, maybe they did know and just didn't care, they wanted to take her away from the fanboys. That scene of her talking down to Bruce about all her "woes" was the highlight of idiocy.

[@MyHam-os4bq]

My theory is that they take existing characters they KNOW fans adore, and turn them into something like this just to say that if you don’t like the “modern” version of these characters that reflect our “current culture” then you’re a bad person. It backfires because it just proves the point that the general public DOES like characters like a female superhero. They just don’t like Disney’s version of them.

[@MyShiroyuki]

They know fans love her because she’s fun and also hot. They can’t allow fun sexy female characters to exist.

[@jimtaylor294]

Yup. A poll between this rubbish and the version of She-Hulk from the 1996 animated series - or that shortlived Fantastic 4 series in the 00's - ...would be decisive.

[@davidanderson4748]

Yeah, I brought up that it seemed unearned when compared to the crap Bruce had gone through. He lost his career, love of his life, any form of normalicy, was so depressed he actually tried to kill himself, lost years of his life to the Hulk, but she has to deal with annoying men, which it had already been established she had no problem with. I was told by a chest thumping male feminist that everything she said is true and women get dismissed and disrespected all the time and have it so much harder than men.I pointed out unless you count the fact men are more likely to be murdered, go to prison, serve in active coma at zones, less likely to finish high school, go to college, and on and on.

[@editorrbr2107]

The deconstruction is the point. The bad faith malice is the point

[@Ki_Adi_Mundi]

_"the little troll inside me really loves trolling the trolls."_ She has reached Inception levels of projection here...

[@nicolasmoreno95]

that's what collegue meant with "Gao is a genious"

[@lchambers56]

I can't believe that's how Season 1 ended. The MCU doesn't deserve to go forward after that.

[@Davechow12]

All of phase 4 has been garbage. (Possible exception of Spider-Man No Way Home.) For me, the MCU was over with Endgame.

[@Matt-dk3wl]

@@Davechow12 Aw they ruined Spiderman, killed all his history and undid him completely. That ticked me off... Everything was a huge nostalgia trip, and I was loving it til the end. But they blew it IMHO. That said, some folks appreciated all he had to sacrifice, so I can see why some people liked it. But I think they went too far.

[@Dalamr]

Tony Stark died for that.

[@arisucheddar3097]

It didn't. It ended with Infinity War (that's right I went with the gutsy ending). Game of Thrones also ended with Season 4. And Sandman ended with Death explaining things beautifully, so that I could avoid hearing the word vortex explained to Rose a thousand times. Don't correct me.

[@danielbanbury5219]

​@@arisucheddar3097

[@ShadesOfKnight]

Now realize that if true, Ruffalo played along. So much for the Hulk too.

[@indiajohnson]

Which is why I preferred Edward Norton's portrayal over Ruffalo's.

[@stlouisarch2162]

I'm sure the people who have these women a crap-ton of money to indulge their temper tantrum are very happy their money was flushed this way.

[@_Sage967_]

money changes hands in weird ways not to mention the fact that this stuff can be seen as investments for the future. it's kinda like how we never saw their day 1 to x work on the show to know for sure that they planned on "trolling the trolls" therefore we can only take their word for it/ the mainstream will eat it up. we simply don't know what's going on behind closed doors and they're using that to their advantage to do whatever

[@joecollas9942]

Kevin Feige is the biggest cuck in the world he is still hoping one of them will touch him

[@MegaKnight2012]

Gotta wonder how big the toilet Disney built to flush such huge amounts of cash down the toilet. Maybe that will be a new Disney theme park attraction. "Flush your cash down this toilet just like our corporate overlords do"

[@stormryder4305]

They're happy to use these toilet flush as a way to launder more money.

[@yderga8707]

@@MegaKnight2012 Basically Disney World already.

[@jonathankozenko]

From my understanding, there are a LOT of horror stories from people who worked on this show, mainly in the VFX department, where they were poorly paid yet worked lots of overtime, because they were forced to create VFX sequences in mere days when normally entire months would be given. I don't just mention this because it explains how bad some of the CGI was, but also because it must be SO WONDERFUL to find out that this miserable experience (which made some leave the industry altogether) was solely an act of Corporate Trolling!

[@RuddsReels]

Also shows how wonderful and fair these libral "do-gooders" are! "The fascists of the future, will call themselves the anti-fascists."

[@cormoran2303]

Normal people: Don't feed to trolls. MCU writer: I will give them a banquet!

[@MLJ7956]

Normal people: Cancels subscription, boycotts Marvel & Disney, spends money elsewhere. MCU writer: Well I really don't care about that because I believe you're trolls anyway. Disney stockholders (about losing billions of dollars and the stock going down): MCU writer you are fired...Normal people please come back...

[@Matt-dk3wl]

@@MLJ7956 Normal people: Too late. We've moved on.

[@rachelnichols1605]

The writing is a form of trolling.

[@ColeDedhand]

They fill their existence with so much spite against us that they can't comprehend that our existence doesn't revolve around them.

[@PoolKid75]

The solution seems clear to me, *stop hate-watching!!* You're playing right into their hands! The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. Ignore it if you want it to go away.

[@SlickZero1028]

Literally, people have a weird case of FOMO.

[@inblackestnight9256]

The Simpsons taught us that about marketing decades ago: "don't watch the monsters, don't watch them..."

[@mattiasilva1705]

Kinda agree with this take. Yt channels right now should Focus way more on reviewing good things instead of focusing on this crap: First, because as you said, it all became a way to make the shit product more popular. Second: by putting the shitty profuct in the centre of the attention, the good products get nothing and ends up flopping or getting forgotten. The Northman, freaks out and many, MANY good movies and show got cucked by this... Thanks God I've seen the review of RRR, or else I would've missed that gem of a crazy movie

[@cormoran2303]

Watch them all you want. So long as you pirate it.

[@heroineburgh]

@@mattiasilva1705 Agreed. There's nothing wrong with talking shit on bad TV shows, and if you watch them on the 'waves' you don't add to the corporate coffers. But critical KZbin channels should have an equal amount of vids praising good stuff. They never do. For example, Nerdrotic and his orbiters would very occasionally mention The Expanse, or The Boys, or The Orville. But they would never stop to talk about those shows or run features on why they are worthwhile. They didn't talk at all about Supercrooks (which was great) or Raised By Wolves (mixed), or about Stargirl (now in its third season, the least woke superhero show on the CW because of Geoff Johns), or The Hyperions (a Daily Wire movie) and they're certainly not mentioning Darna, which is running right now in the Philippines (and the star actresses are coming to Vegas on Nov 5, so there's an American audience for it, too).

[@emberparadox458]

Maslany and Gao knew exactly what they were doing when they gave that interview. They knew they weren't getting a second season so they instead decided to just give a giant middle finger to everyone beyond the one that the show gave. Maslany herself said in an interview that she doesn't think there's a chance they'll get a second season, hence why they're not afraid of outright attacking the fans and audience now.

[@Matt-dk3wl]

But that only applies to a second season you'd think. This seems more like career suicide.

[@emberparadox458]

@@Matt-dk3wl By all rights it should be, but this isn't 10 or 15 years ago. These days Hollywood and Disney thrives on gaslighting and evoking anger from the audience. It won't end their careers but it was just enough to prevent another season because the 1st one was so poisonous.

[@hephaestus6365]

I've said it multiple times, but I'll say it again: This is what happens when you hire "writers" based on how they look and what they f**k.

[@mustang607]

They didn't seem to hire this batch of creators based on competence, and it shows.

[@scrubbingdoubles8585]

Jesus loves you and died and rose again for your sins

[@stellviahohenheim]

Obese asian woman are the worst lol

[@Ricardo-cl3vs]

@@scrubbingdoubles8585 And to honor that I make sure to sin like a motherfukker each and every day. Otherwise your invisible friend would have died for nothing, right?!

[@jamietuggnut3312]

@@scrubbingdoubles8585 Well, I'll bet that even Jesus thought the writing on this show sucked....

[@dennisswaim8210]

The Character of She Hulk deserved an attemp at a successful story, not some kind of BS personal grievance play by the writers. They have blown an opportunity that others who Love the genre would have died for.

[@adamsinger123]

absolutely

[@mardvbum]

So clearly it's time to move on from the superhero era of entertainment.

[@mattiasilva1705]

Forget about Hollywood, embrace the Europian, Eastern and indian's cinema

[@Mark-ks9jj]

Maybe DC’s Black Adam will correct the balance as I can’t see Dwayne standing for woken shit

[@mardvbum]

I hate to say it but I'm probably going to be moving to DC now. Marvel had an amazing run but I rather watch power rangers at this point.

[@stellviahohenheim]

Marvel and DC have the same problem, they need Hollyweird to make their movies. Or they think they do

[@g00gleisgayerthanaids56]

@@Mark-ks9jj he literally just posted about how important black adam was to him because he was "a hero of color" dude drinks the koolaid and toes the line hard.

[@joshdillon9637]

The fact is, the people who are criticizing these shows and movies are people who CARE about the characters. People who grew up with them and learned from them. These characters and their stories MATTER and the people who have control of them now don't care who these characters are or what makes people love them.

[@adamsinger123]

Spot on, yup.

[@scubasleeve3497]

I think there are a lot of people like me, who enjoy watching videos like this a lot more than an actual show like She Hulk or Rings of Power. I will never give those terrible shows a second of my time (even to "hate watch"), and I don't discuss them with other people, even in a negative way. Channels like Dave's, the Drinker's, Nerdrotic's and Doomcock's are a lot more fun than the actual shows. If hollweird ever gets its act together and decides to simply make entertaining shows again, I guess I'll go back to watching them, but for the time being, this is more fun.

[@thehermitman822]

I subbed to so many channels during this debacle. So there is a bright side to all this. 😆

[@SaltAndLight1027]

I am with you! I never watched nerdrotic until house of the dragon and I stayed because it was so enjoyable seeing their views of rings of power, rather spend an hour watching them rant about it than watch the actual show haha

[@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623]

Hollywood is dead. Whenever something good comes out it is more fluke then design. I'm waiting for alternatives like the Daily Wire and independents to get their act together. Or foreign cinema. There's a lot of good movies coming out of India lately. They seem eager to please their audience rather then troll it. Why continue to spend money on people that hate you? Without respect we reject and if we do not reject we will never get any respect.

[@Raums]

I’ve watched a few of these but not the show itself, I had zero interest in it and even less now, I’ve generally gone off marvel though as a result of this hate baiting fans.

[@josephsalmonte4995]

Same. I have watched a new movie since endgame. They're all woke shite, same as the series

[@eavanodonoghue]

What a pity they didn’t think to give Angie Harmon this role years ago. I read that she would have loved to do it at some point in her career and I think she’d have done a really great job. I’ve only watched her in episodes of Rizzoli and Isles (which I know is a very different type of show) but I love how she marries femininity and power. She’s a strong woman (but not physically stronger than her male counterparts) and she’s also nurturing and not afraid to cry, and the way she shows empathy seems so authentic to me. That’s what a real female hero should be, showing her strength as a woman which is different from the strength of a man, not better or worse, but different and complementary.

[@MephiticMiasma]

that's the worst part of this thing that calls itself "feminism" -- it's literally taking the worst caricature of males and _wanting to be that yourself_

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

She Hulk is proof that Roe vs Wade wasn't actually overturned. Because that show is an absolute abortion.

[@acemarvel1564]

Touché

[@EustaBAracer]

Fuckin beautiful

[@Ramsey276one]

O M G XD Thanks for this

[@spaulagain]

Lol Although technically Roe v Wade overturned doesn't mean abortion is illegal. Just that it's up to the States.

[@PipoZePoulp]

Shots fired. Death Star-scale.

[@PappyGunn]

The show being ignored is worse than hateful comment. Yes that's right. The opposite of love isn't hate. Its indifference..

[@sarvinyari6622]

Your channel is so underated. Your comments are always on point and put so politely. Thank you.

[@AidenRKrone]

The fact that the creative team and the lead actress both admit that they're more concerned with being spiteful toward men than making an actually entertaining show says a lot.

[@victore8342]

C'mon bro, you really think they did this as a troll? They thought She Hulk was gonna be a great idea, turned out to be garbage, and now they wanna cover up by saying it was done on purpose all along

[@randall.chamberlain]

Yep, it's the simplest explanation and it fits well with the mediocre intellectual level they exposed all throughout the season.

[@hayleylongster4698]

You give them too much credit. I think they really were stupid enough to do this consciously and 'legitimately'

[@StonyStevenson75]

I believe that they know exactly what they're doing. Making profit out of a good product is no longer the objective - creating and releasing bad energy is why these shows exist. There will always be a bottomless cash pit for propaganda.

[@sh-hg4eg]

@@StonyStevenson75 yes. Once you've got all the money (which these companies do) that money then just becomes a means to power and projecting power.

[@StonyStevenson75]

​@@sh-hg4eg Without wanting to get too 'conspiratorial' about it, Disney is an 'elite' corporation working to the dictat of its masters who thrive on division and negativity. The last thing they want is a cohesive society, so the more people they can provoke with deliberately inflammatory material, the better. She-Hulk, along with all the other woke nonsense they've inflicted upon us is no accident. The only ones who go along with it are the lemming-like useful idiots who unknowingly do the bidding of these 'elite' psychopaths by parroting the 'ists and phobes' script which was written for them before they were even aware of their role.

[@bradwilcox08]

The attitude these writers had about it all just goes to show that very few of them, if any at all, have ever had to face accountability for their screw-ups. And they’re likely to face no accountability at all for damaging the company’s image with their pettiness.

[@sealcaptn]

The playbook they use started with Ghostbusters 2016, but was mastered by Ruin Johnson with the Last Jedi. And here we are.

[@joegee2815]

I have found that the Critical Drinker and Dave Cullen, as well as some others, reflect my opinion very well. I don't think I've ever been misled by the Drinker (although I prefer scotch over bourbon) so I managed to avoid this mess and others altogether. Life is too short to watch shiite.

[@SheldonAdama17]

She Hulk is the CW Batwoman of the MCU

[@rfletch62]

Nice, calming backgrounds while showing inane comments from the show's staff. Great job, Dave!

[@derekmcmanus8615]

Won't give Disney a penny of my money or a moment of my time

[@archstanton9073]

So, they made a show they knew was going to deliberately elicit a certain reaction. They get said reaction and then they say "See! What did we tell you?!" Geniuses.

[@AkuTenshiiZero]

Want to know why Deadpool worked and She-Hulk didn't? Because Deadpool was made out of love, it only exists because Ryan Reynolds used every ounce of his influence in Hollywood to push for the movie to be made. It only exists because fans went wild over a leaked bit of test footage that he made showing what a Deadpool movie could look like. And even then, the first movie had a slashed budget because Fox wasn't convinced it would be a hit. The point is, Deadpool is the absolute inverse of She-Hulk, it was a labor of love made for the fans, because Ryan Reynolds *IS* a fan and he wanted to give us something we'd enjoy. She-Hulk, conversely, hates it's audience and was made for reasons I can't even understand. It exists to spite us and lecture us. It is an exercise in hubris, a studio that has taken it's fans for granted. If I didn't know any better, I would say the people running the MCU right now actually want the Marvel films to fail so they can be free of it.

[@msmaria5039]

Wade made fun of himself of Ryan's past flops, no mouth Deadpool and even of the budget. He never made fun of the fans.

[@SirBlackReeds]

And that slashed budget actually made the movie better because it lead to the running gag of Deadpool forgetting his guns.

[@Shockwave99999]

There’s no getting through to these writers. They’ve built a whole system of reasoning in their head that’s convinced them either everyone loves the show, and those who say otherwise are toxic trolls we prove wrong. Wtf is wrong with these people, and how in the hell were they given this position?

[@elmartillo7931]

"how do you write women so well? I think of a man..... and I take away reason and accountability"

[@lubricatedgoat]

Unreal Engine and talented writing is what we now need. Individuals or small groups churning out compelling content. I hope and wish for a paid streaming service dedicated to the creators and consumers of this up and coming set. It will consume Hollywood, as it should.

[@cosmicprison9819]

Surprised? After the Star Trek: Picard authors butchered Icheb, as if to punish the *character* for something the original *actor* of Icheb had said online, this kind of “spite” is comparatively harmless.

[@funkydiscogod]

Story?

[@indiansfaninpa]

I want the story too. This is news to me.

[@cosmicprison9819]

@@indiansfaninpa He allegedly made some comments about Star Trek: Discovery actor Anthony Rapp, and he came out in support of Kevin Spacey. Where? On Twitter, of course. People assume that’s why they recast Icheb for “Stardust City Rag”, rather than having the original actor return, as for all the other roles.

[@ttobinupinit]

I grew up reading She-Hulk comics (I was born in 1977)... She struggled with her anger and her ability to change just like Bruce did. Over time, she accepted what she now was and became Jen and She-Hulk at the same time, years before Bruce did in the comics... She also wasn't a beaten child at the hands of her insane Father like Bruce was, so she didn't develop a Psychological condition that limited her ability to overcome that hurdle. Still, credit where credit is due. When you think you're smarter than the fans that paid to support a character's development for decades, insult them with shit writing, zero character growth through adversity and then condescend to them while rubbing your own ignorance of said character in their faces, you don't deserve your job. Who was this show for? No one. And it showed us exactly why this mentality has basically destroyed Ghost Busters, Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor Who, Marvel, DC and Lord of The Rings all in the span of ten years when they were all at the peak of their relevance prior to these writer's involvement. Yet, they blame it all on the fans for "Not getting it"... If you knew you would destroy a fanbase based on previous responses to similar character takes, and you do it anyway...? Then you sound like a Malignant Narcissist.

[@EatWave]

The writers clearly would rather be doing something else but they have to go where the money is so of course they are filled with spite at the people who make this material popular. They want to sink the genre so they can prop up genres that they would prefer to write for.

[@ramblingRJ]

The most frustrating part of this is that no matter how many times Disney trolls and insults the fans; those same fans will still line up for the next Avengers movie or tune in for "Secret Invasion", guaranteeing Disney will make another billion dollars off the very people they are mocking. Even if it's called Hate Watching, the MCU will keep making money for putting out crap. They'll laugh their way to the bank while fans continue to give them money to be insulted.

[@kinorai]

Kinda funny that Marvel is self sabotaging, while at the same time, there seems to be a renaissance on the DCEU side, thanks to the new boss and the Rock. Movies are made to please the fans! Thank you, Mr Rock!

[@jamesneese7663]

MCU assume and believe that Fandom will keep coming back to them like a beaten dog. The way that Fandom claimed to abandon star wars after TRoSW but then came back for The Mandalorian "all is forgiven "

[@TaliaIGhul]

Speaking of DC, as bad as the CWs' shitty Batwahman series was, that at least felt more like a superhero show with somewhat coherent writing, unlike She-Hulk.

[@theghostofmaximumvolume3414]

@@jamesneese7663 I never went back to SW after the TLJ. I stopped watching MARVEL @ Infinity War.

[@kinorai]

@@theghostofmaximumvolume3414 same... Well... Endgames.

[@theghostofmaximumvolume3414]

@@kinorai I am a very stubborn and cynical individual. When Brie Larson ran her mouth, I was more than happy ending MARVEL at the point where they wiped out 1/2 of the universe, looking back that is what Disney is doing to their audience ever since.

[@pauld6967]

There is a very, very, very old saying that applies: "Even bad publicity is still publicity!"

[@stevendunkley8284]

In a recent interview, the director said they wanted the show to be a 'sex positive' on aimed at children in an article that described the series as 'the horniest show currently streaming on Disney+'. I bet they used that as the basis for the one they had to reshoot as the one we got can hardly be considered an improvement on anything.

[@Libtardo123]

Funny how these women being “sex positive” in their college years has resulted in them being single and bitter 30 year olds.

[@MrPitbull117]

Excellent video, Mr. Cullen! I love your ability to delve into any subject analytically and dissect it. Pointing out hypocrisies and flawed thinking is the icing on the cake. 👌

[@EternityinOurHearts316]

I really gave this show a chance. But calling this a "show" is a stretch of the definition. There is literally no story, plot or character development and thus no reason for anyone to watch it. I wanted to like this at least as a guilty pleasure of mindless popcorn entertainment. But it was so much worse than I could have imagined.

[@mobbs6426]

I had no idea thus was the level of fourth wall break. That is literally Deadpool territory, interacting with the crew and kit. What the writers don't seem to understand is the implications of supersanity. Deadpool is pretty much insane. He's aware of his existence and knows how to interact with his writers. He knows that if his writers want his gf dead, they're not just gonna start drawing her again, but he can force them to draw him sat on his ass for 12 pages til they negotiate. Secondly, Wade Wilson is largely detached from the world. He butts up against it occasionally, but even his alter ego is a serial killer, he's not a lawyer in a major firm. It affords the level of detachment supersanity requires, given that you know your reality is a stage-show. How can you fight for justice when the writers can pull last minute evidence out of their ass to topple your case, just so they can build a narrative? Wade just doesn't like when you're a bigger dick than he is

[@SirBlackReeds]

Is he insane, or is he supersane?

[@johnterell8642]

@@SirBlackReeds Both.

[@Bassquake76]

Even though I have Disney+, I wasn't going to add to their stats that I watched it, so I sailed the high seas for the she-hulk series just to see how bad it was. It didn't disappoint! 😄

[@g00gleisgayerthanaids56]

Why anyone pays for disney+ is beyond me.

[@Bassquake76]

@@g00gleisgayerthanaids56 Technically it's me other half who pays for it. Tho have told her it's not worth it.

[@nishidkhode8604]

@@g00gleisgayerthanaids56 well i watch premier league....so that's why but I don't want to even look at this show

[@qqqcalls]

"Pride always becomes before a fall". Off topic, this hits home for everyone who trades financial markets.

[@MarcelNL]

It started years ago under the name "Take the toys away from the boys". Sci-fi, fantasy and superheroes were genres that by far were mostly popular by boys and men. These days with feminism and such that's of course a big no-no.

[@mooseyman74]

Although my father and grandfather never cared about childhood characters in adulthood, which is interesting

[@anirbanbhattacharjee2834]

@@mooseyman74 or you never knew?

[@wesw2121]

It's going back to the old Hollywood adage: "There's no such thing as bad publicity."

[@chonconnor6144]

Not sure why people like Dave are still asking why failing studios are provoking a reaction deliberately while BEING the desired reaction giving us all a window into a show we all would have otherwise ignored. Appreciate the commentary mostly but some of the focus on these terrible shows is exactly what the studios want.

[@Mitchcraft.]

AZ from HeelVsBabyFace said it best, She Hulk has by breaking the 4th wall the way it did ruined every movie going all the way back to Iron Man 1 because think about the implications of what they done there. Really think about what it means for all the movies we love. They are all just a studio with a robot behind them so why care about them any more? That's what they wanted by doing this. So the fact they grreenlit this shows they really don't give a crap about their fandom anymore. Which is why my subscription is not being renewed in Feb

[@CoffeeConnected]

@@Mitchcraft. The arrogance behind the conception of that scene is mind blowing. It's literally saying that all MCU content which preceded the She-Hulk series has been rubbish, but the She-Hulk series is great. But here's the kicker, Kevin Feige apparently agrees with that sentiment because he green-lit this series.

[@jogymogy3691]

Because these shows meaning content for YT creators

[@RookCity94]

Commentary channels need something to commentate? Maybe?

[@Mitchcraft.]

@@RookCity94 It's a shame really that content creators really need to rely on bad content these days or they would have nothing to report on because there is not enough good content to keep them going. The problem with this is it keeps the bad content in peoples minds and thus it is still relevant while if people just ignored it completely it would more than likely dry up and go away.

[@LingYao9001]

So true, the fourth wall breaking is a dangerous endeavor and a little bit goes a long way. I've always thought so too and agree that it was wearing thin by the end of Deadpool 2.

[@cosmicprison9819]

When I hear what Gao & Co. are saying about the extent to which they supposedly triggered the fans on purpose, I think of what they sang in another story with green-skinned characters: 🧙‍♀️ “Can’t I make you understand? You’re having delusions of grandeur…”

[@nickcampbell5626]

"They said my drinks taste like cough syrup, so I added cough syrup to all my drinks. Take that customers!"

[@onepunchmantolkienfan5383]

Mr. Cullen, I would love to see you on live steam with The Critical Drinker.

[@derekmcmanus8615]

Or Gary Nerdrotic

[@jk802]

The whole 4th wall breaking with Deadpool and She-Hulk could be explained away through some type of mental trauma. Deadpool had some issues especially when stabbed in the head or just his healing factor constantly in overdrive. The Hulk has a split personality and She-Hulk might have some Schizophrenia where she sees people who aren't really there and talks to them (at least inside her universe) to us we really see it.

[@johnterell8642]

She's always broke the fourth, way before Deadpool in the comics. The problem is they used it to say fuck you to people who had legitimate reasons to hate this shit show.

[@johndurham6172]

It would've been nice if a lot of You Tubers did ignore this show but they kept it alive.

[@Nightman221k]

They made a mountain out of a molehill cause it was so bland it was average for the most part till the last episode.

[@johndurham6172]

@@Nightman221k 💯

[@Olbric_Hayward]

"'The fact that we were able to predict what the reaction was going to be...'" means that they were self-aware enough to course-correct if they had chosen to put the show before themselves. But it was never about She-Hulk.

[@onion_wind]

I wouldn't be surprised if the main troll accounts weren't actually ran by Disney/Marvel themselves

[@guyvizard549]

I just remembered a time in elementary school (I think 3rd-4th grade maybe) when I thought I was SOOO clever: I hadn't finished reading a book for a report, so I made the entire last half of the paper a meta conversation between me and the character in the story, just to get it to two pages or to pad it out. Instead of a grade, the teacher wrote a single note: "No. Do it again."

[@mrnobody4125]

She's not all wrong. She's right about engagement. Some people were feeding the beast by giving it way too much attention and letting it matter too much.

[@acemarvel1564]

Ignoring it's existence and forgetting the staff name alone is a luxury

[@rclaws3230]

We shouldn't watch this shit, but we should let the KZbin content creators watch it and rip into it for our entertainment. That way the money and viewers are siphoned away so, eventually, Hollywood will get the idea, or die.

[@jamesneese7663]

It's marvel, the #1 Hollywood franchise currently in the world. This is feminists forcing their way in when comics and superhero are a male genre. They don't care about marvel or shehulk.

[@Itamar536.]

@@rclaws3230 that's how I followed this... Not giving disney a dime

[@JohnSmith-bu3fw]

But the 'way too much attention'....ultimately led to a 35%, so the attention didn't benefit them as most people didn't watch it.

[@lazyd.williams1555]

I’m grateful for your content,thank you for all your the Effort.

[@wouldyoukindly4978]

"There's a Semetic influence behind all this, I'm sure of it." General Patton.

[@doctorcrankyflaps1724]

That's probably hate speech.

[@wouldyoukindly4978]

@@doctorcrankyflaps1724 Any speech the semites hate is considered hate speech. For real Americans, there is no such thing as hate speech, just speech.

[@LukeTheGhostKiller]

What's sad is some people out there probably actually cheered Jen on when she told Bruce she controls her anger way better than him, like "Whoo you tell him! He doesn't know what he's saying!" or something like that 🤦‍♂️

[@alwaysplotting2096]

Kevin Feige: It's nice to meet you. Comic Fans: I wish I could say the same, but I must say, with all due respect, I find it very hard to see the logic behind some of the moves you have made with this fine organization. Since you took over you have caused myself and fans of the action film genre a good deal of distress, as we have watched you reduce our beloved heroes to a laughingstock! All for the glorification of your MASSIVE EGO!

[@ffh1234ffh]

I watched yesterday precisely that episode from Seinfeld. Nice reference!

[@ClapsyPlapsy]

HIRE this man!

[@badandy9716]

You know what's worse than hate? Indifference. As a studio, Indifference will destroy you.

[@doctorcrankyflaps1724]

I think the ONLY goal of these terrible MCU films /TV series is to cause division. It's not about making money or providing entertainment. Disney want us fighting amongst ourselves.

[@FormulaTurismo]

Very good point. This is was the establishment does. They stir up trouble and cause conflict remember their favouite stratergy "Divide and "Conquer".

[@adamsinger123]

Yeah it's gettin' there.

[@insidetheculturepodcast]

So they basically set down in the writer’s room and said let’s make a show where we predict the reaction to the show using triggering content that will literally cause what we’re predicting (WHAT IN THE ENTIRE F*CK 😮) 🤦🏾‍♂️😂🤦🏾‍♂️😂🤦🏾‍♂️😂

[@robertthompson2601]

What got me at the end when I was hearing reviews about it is how she wanted some of the other characters to take were sother characters to take responsibility for their poor choices yes she didn't want to do the same

[@randallwright1973]

Of course not. She's a wah-man and doesn't need to take responsibility.

[@BingBong67489]

That exchange between Bruce and Jen perfectly sums up the rules of the identity politics game. It doesn't matter what your individual experiences are, how much you've struggled and suffered and overcome (in Bruce's case), or alternatively, how much of a life of luxury and comfort you've lived (in Jen's case)...all that matters is how many oppression points your particular group has on a macro level.

[@danielbyrne5402]

Problem with trolling the "trolls" is ,if ur marvel, you're prolly not just trolling trolls ,so much as insulting die hard marvel fans and sending them elsewhere. Stan Lee's gone, we won't return if that happens

[@eeveeofalltrades4780]

Kevin Fiege being a robot has to be the best plot twist of the series

[@joedirt6430]

I just gave up on Disney and most movies there very few shows that are decent. Some only appear good because there competing with pure crap like she-hulk.

[@Beebosloth]

I DIN'T EVEN KNOW THERE WAS A SHE-HULK SHOW. That must mean its awesome and underrated and a masterpiece.

[@jamesneese7663]

A show from the Karens by the Karens for the Karens that mocks the Fandom and Marvel itself. This is a show so bad that writers room literally self inseted themselves into show then blamed their boss "Kevin" for everything. This show openly mocked the Fandom and the only defenders are those more interested in "owning incels" than making a good series.

[@Ramsey276one]

Painfully accurate

[@jeremycoats3146]

not being able to create art they will not understand art they will consider their failure as creators only as a failure of the world not being able to love fully they will believe your love incomplete and then they will hate you and their hatred will be perfect The genius of the crowd Charles Bukowski

[@gypsywoman9140]

People have been asking where the comedy is in this show. I think Dave found at least one of the jokes.

[@skyesfury8511]

"We predicted that people would say out crappy writing and crappy show would be crappy. WE SURE SHOWED THEM!" 🤦‍♀🤦‍♀🤦‍♀

[@tomcoop9750]

Strong women don’t put men down to feel better about themselves.

[@SubtleStair]

Or maybe that is very definition of "strong" women.

[@garym6315]

7:09 - That is some BRILLIANT timing there.

[@xyzjoe42]

I think "trolling the trolls" (and other similar declarations) is cover for why this, and other shows, is doing so poorly. They're either victims of bigotry that fits or so crafty and clever that they actually trolled the trolls without us even knowing.

[@StonyStevenson75]

These shows aren't designed for ratings, profit, or even entertainment. Money is no object. What's important is that the NEGATIVE energy is out in the ether - hence negative reactions are a mark of success.