Shooting .22 PELLETS Using NAIL GUN Blanks

[@SomeGuyInSandy]

Awesome video! Thanks for taking this to the next level! Subscribed!

[@HKPSG1Shooter]

I tried this out several years ago and was punching holes in 3/16 aluminum plate at 25 yards. Never clocked the velocity, but I knew it was fast. Thanks for posting some actual test data with a chronograph. Amazing velocity!

[@garygriffith7436]

Ryan, I wached both videos. Yours, and Taofladremaus'. Both times the skirt stuck in the bore, I think was because the crimped portion of the blank was inside the pellet skirt. When the round goes off, it expands faster than the pellet can leave. It looks like it traps the lead ring between the brass, and the bore. Still a workable alternative in a SHTF situation.

[@RyeOnHam]

Sorry for not responding earlier. You are definitely correct on the skirt popping off if the nose of the blank is too close or inside the skirt. I did have other instances where I knew the pellet was beyond the front of the blank and the skirt would sometimes separate and sometimes not. This inconsistency leads me to the conclusion that we are right around the physical limitations of the combination I was using. I do have some upcoming videos with different loads and nail gun blanks that might prove more enlightening.

[@Toddscomp2]

Maybe try the red finned soft plastic guide they put on the nail between the round and the pellet

[@fomomofo6917]

@@RyeOnHam maybe put a little wadding between them?

[@mnpd3]

I tried the nail blank/.22 pellet thing years ago. Surprised at how loud it was, and the penetration. The pellet would penetrate the front of a 55-gallon drum, and deeply dent the back side. Never chronographed the pellets, but figured they were Mach 2 anyway. If the skirt shears off in the barrel, try another brand of pellet; not all of them do it.

[@bandogbone3265]

This might be an option when they confiscate your ammo -- just remember to store the actuators with your nail gun, not your firearm.

[@ekimp252]

As a lover of 22's, reloading and my chronograph, this is awesome, on so many levels.

[@RyeOnHam]

+Mike P Thanks. I have several more videos exploring this concept on accuracy, different duplex ideas, ballistics gel, round balls, etc.

[@oldeafcoot]

I've used power loads as blanks in a conventional .22 caliber revolver for sound effects during police training exercises. .22 caliber blanks are too expensive and blank firing pistols and revolvers are JUNK and can't be depended on. Most blank guns are made of pot metal and wear out after a few hundred rounds. I used my Smith and Wesson K-22 revolver with various power level loads, depending on if the training was being done inside or outside. Power loads are very loud, inexpensive and cased no trouble. I used them only for sound effects and never pointed the gun anywhere except at the floor. I'm sure it is dangerous to point them at anyone, since some metal may come off the cartridge, not to mention the danger of accidentely chambering a live round

[@delljohnson172]

Just put in the pellet then seat it with the 22 blank...the tapered blank fits in the pellets skirt. Simple and fast and consistant i have 2 500rd bricks of primed(only)22short cases..i push the pellets in flush nose first..shoot them across my living room..in revolvers..cost more then live ammo.

[@JamesKing2understandinglife]

Thanks for the humorous chrono work on little 22 cal pellets. You had me going when you said Taofledermaus would pay for the silencer. LOL

[@RyeOnHam]

It was the most expensive thing outside of the safe at the time.

[@carlosreyes6448]

To fast for suppersor

[@warywolfen]

Truly a testament to the strength & durability of a cheapy .22! Who says they don't build'em good in Brazil?

[@onihunter93]

I watched your video, and I just wanted to post the averages of your chronographs. long rifle 1880.6 avarage fps power level 2 2323.8 avarage fps power level 3 2820.6 avarage fps power level 4 average of 470 fps difference between each level pistol 1057.6 avarage fps power level 2 1514 avarage fps power level 3 1863.8 avarage fps power level 4 average of 403.1 fps difference between each level I don't know much about guns, but that seems crazy fast. Anyway, loved your work, keep doing what you do.

[@RyeOnHam]

Thanks. I was leaving that work to somebody else. Math is hard. Interesting the differences between the loads. I wonder how that translates to force on the nail guns? Don't have much experience using these like they are intended!

[@onihunter93]

You think math is hard!?! I'm only 20, only a year out of high school, and that little piece was something I learned in 6th grade. I was in advanced mathematics by freshman year, and THAT was hard. For finding the average of anything, find the sum of the variables, then divide by the number of variables e.g. you did 5 (five) shots with each level, and you got a reading for each shot. You add the readings for each shot, then divide by 5 (five).

[@RyeOnHam]

LOL, now find the median and the standard deviation! Of course, I was being sarcastic about math being hard.

[@onihunter93]

Sorry. I'm a little slow, so I don't pick up on sarcasm easily.

[@RyeOnHam]

Internet sarcasm is always hard to pick up on. I have the opposite problem. I don't take much of anything seriously. Thanks for watching!

[@jimmydill6428]

Wish I had seen your video before trying the double pellet launch a couple of years ago.Fired from a bolt-action with a level 4 the cartridge burst and I received several brass fragments in my forehead. Always wear your Z-87's friends.

[@RyeOnHam]

No. Leading is overstated. The worst leading is usually in revolvers and pistols with polygonal rifling. The pellets were already engraved in the rifling and therefore the transition area that usually gets the most leading was already free. I did fire several copper jacketed bullets before and after the lead. What that does is it deposits a layer of copper and carbon against the bore and the lead that IS deposited goes on top of that. Soak it a day or so in any bore solvent (I use just plain Break Free) and there are no issues getting whatever might be there out. In my case, there were ZERO deposits. I've done this for years and only ever had to clean lead out of used guns that were poorly maintained. H&R 32's and 38's have a forcing cone that just grabs lead and holds on tight.

[@RyeOnHam]

I tried pulling lead bullets from my .22lr cartridges. The results were less than desirable. There are follow-up videos in the works, so stay tuned.

[@86djtaylor]

+RyeOnHam I've been wanting to try this out in a few of my .22's. I think the velocity increase is because of the pellets having a hollow base. With a hollow base, you get almost a perfect gas seal and that in turn gives you a more uniform burn of your powder instead of the gases blowing by the bullet as with gas cutting and causing leading. Plus the pellets are soft lead and soft lead matched with a hollow base goes together like peanut butter and jelly. This would be a great survival option especially with a single shot like the Rossi since you have to single load them anyway. Again, great video.

[@southronjr1570]

+D.J. Taylor Prettg sure the increase is from the 14gr versus 36gr projectiles.

[@86djtaylor]

William Sanders Yeah a lighter bullet is faster, but the hollow base of the pellet is a big factor here too. Just like a heavy crimped bullet will give you a more consistent powder burn and in turn a little more velocity. I've done a lot of testing with hollow base Ideal Keith bullets in .44 magnum/special loads and the classic 429421 keith flat-base. You get a good deal more speed and better standard deviation with hollow base loads because of the hollow base expanding and sealing the cylinder throat and then into the forcing cone and the bore. And of course hollow base bullets have to be cast softer so that they can obturate in the bore. The bullet weight being lighter is a big factor too. With a soft bullet half the weight with technically the same powder, combined with a hollow base, your going to have a significant velocity increase. In short, yes the bullet being lighter is a big factor, but it's not the only one. Just my experience. Thanks for the reply

[@aidenthepropmaker5805]

Sorry for another comment, is there anyway you can peel back the petals of the casing, put a 22 pellet in, and then crimp/try to re-close The pedals?

[@RyeOnHam]

I would think that would be virtually impossible as well as pretty dangerous.

[@brucewayne-cave]

Great job ! - I wonder if you cut off the skirt with end cutters on all but the 1st pellet, and loaded 2 to 20 balls at once. Create a .22 Shotgun?

[@RyeOnHam]

Two balls caused the case to blow out, so that's not a practical load. Too much pressure.

[@zembesserly4012]

My question is would this work in a .22lr Revolver kind of like the old cap and ball revolvers and would putting a wad in front or behind the projectile be safe ?

[@RyeOnHam]

+Pantharen Your math only applies in Loonies. We can't hardly get .22 at all in the states and when we can, you sure as hell ain't gonna find 1400 rounds of Winchester Golden Bullet for $70... partly because Remington makes the Golden Bullet stuff. And a .17 caliber at 1200 fps is good, but it's a few orders of magnitude less energy than a .22 caliber at 2800 fps. Send some of your Canuck ammo down here and I'll send you some half-price nail-gun blanks!

[@theonlyvanimal]

Just bought 2 buckets for $79.99 each. They sold out in 2 hours, it was a non advertised sale. So gold mine! I think normally it goes for $109? IDK, never seen 1400 round buckets for sale before.

[@HOSSMCGILLICUTTI]

Why couldn't you just push the pellet forward into the rifling with the powder loads, so you know there's no separation? Just curious. Thanks

[@RyeOnHam]

+HOSSMCGILLICUTTI It doesn't work quite like that. It is always safer to have the bullet closer to the powder charge than farther away. Lead does not compress, but propellant gasses do. Putting the bullet farther down the barrel creates a pressure spike behind the bullet. You actually get MORE pressure and more concentrated pressure the farther down the barrel you put the bullet. You would then end up with a ring of lead in the middle of the barrel where another projectile might bulge the barrel. There are dozens of variables that I can alter, but ultimately the method I chose was the one with the least pressure. Counter-intuitive, yes, but still true. I have gotten some ludicrous suggestions, most of which involved hot glue, about how to 'improve' the situation, and I have rejected most out of concerns for safety. I do have a few ideas that I will be posting videos of. A few are in the work and if you're subscribed, they might be of interest to you.

[@HOSSMCGILLICUTTI]

That's exactly what i was saying, i thought anyway. That there's to much gap between opposing forces, right?

[@RyeOnHam]

HOSSMCGILLICUTTI The bullets were seated JUST engaged in the rifling. that is as close as i can reliably place them. Any closer to the blank and they would be loose in the chamber.

[@nordishkiel5985]

Nice work! And btw, the plural of TAOFLEDERMAUS would be TAOFLEDERMÄUSE :-D (Fledermaus is german for bat (the flying animal, not the baseball-hitter kind)).

[@aflatminor]

Loved the experiments mate- Keep up the good work!! By the way, Are the Crosman pellets pure lead as here in the UK I believe a lot of them have a large percentage of antimony which is a metal not unlike lead in weight and appearance but is much more brittle than lead and tends to shatter upon impact!!

[@RyeOnHam]

I do not know if they are pure lead or not. They shattered pretty good in my ballistic gel test you can watch here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/foqonYN6gbWiqac I had other pellets that acted softer, but I don't have any real way of testing lead for antimony or tin content.

[@Om3n2007]

Excellent responses and results. Forgive my lack of hearing, what is the rifle make and model?

[@RyeOnHam]

It is a Rossi .22/ 410 combo rifle. I do not think it has a model name. You can usually buy the combo for around $150 at places like Academy or Big 5. We have neither out here, but I got mine cheap as well. Thanks for watching!

[@tkarlmann]

Two issues: 1) Rifle: I think you MUST put the pellet in further so that the skirt is into the rifling; 2) Why not use heavier .22 pellets?

[@RyeOnHam]

1) Not going to readdress where I put the pellet. Putting it farther down the barrel lowers pressure and velocity... why not just use the lighter blanks to achieve the same thing? 2) Because, as I've said earlier, heavier pellets are not readily available. If you can't find the pellets, you can't shoot them. Also, ALL of the pellets suggested so far are at least double the price, sometimes four or five times the price plus you have to pay shipping.

[@desireebach6394]

Hallo, i would recommed to use "filled skirt" pellets when propelled by blanks; as it is used in the munisalva system, -blank + filled skirt pellet or bb- wich is legal in some countries where fireguns are unlawed.

[@santaclaushawkeyenj3878]

Came over from the other guys video. You WON the challenge! Great video well done!

[@RyeOnHam]

Thanks and thank you for watching. I have a half-dozen other videos on nail gun blanks with accuracy, ballistics gel, etc if you'd like to check them out!

[@santaclaushawkeyenj3878]

RyeOnHam yep watched them. Exciting len fog action!

[@haideralghrabli5562]

RyeOnHam I request to make some lubrication oil like engine oil in side the mozzle ,and make less trace between bellets and blank cartidge or make a little sticking plaster between them ok ,I want to ask what kind of rifle are you use? thank

[@RyeOnHam]

+Haider Alghrabli I do not follow what you are saying you want me to do, but it sounds like it would increase pressures to unsafe levels. If you are subscribed, I will have some other ideas I will be trying within the next year, hopefully.

[@haideralghrabli5562]

Thanks ,but what about the idea with plaster to paste the bellets with cartidge when the weapon goes vertically and getting best start up speed just few of plaster , and you forgot to answer me of what is the name of rifle ? do you know turkish guns for sounds ? , I think your rifle is petter the problem with cartidge foil

[@RyeOnHam]

+Haider Alghrabli I assume you are not a native English speaker and I am having difficulty with the words you are using understanding what you mean. The pellets cannot be glued to the blanks because the blanks need to open up when fired. Anything that interferes with that opening such as glue, tape, or the pellet itself, will cause variations in velocity and pressure that we don't want. The intent is to have repeatable location of the pellet in the barrel, velocity, and pressure. There is no name for the gun. It is a Rossi Matched Pair: www.rossiusa.com/product-details.cfm?id=113 I own one Turkish-made gun. It is a 12 gauge break-action similar to this .22 Rossi, except that it folds so the barrel is under the stock. I will make a video about it someday. I hope to purchase an MKE made MP5 in the near future.

[@johnroberts3723]

Thanks for this informative test, just wondered how. 22 lead balls would perform.

[@RyeOnHam]

I have a series of videos. I shoot balls, double-ball loads, and I think I did a pellet with a ball duplex loads. Can't remember. Been a few years. Thanks for watching!

[@stevespanos75]

Your tests are clear and concise and they answer my questions very well. Good Job with this video. A strong alternative in case the situation calls for it. Those are high velocities from blanks. At today's prices, the cost per ( blank + pellet ) = 0.19c to 0.20c - CANADIAN Currency. That is dirt cheap.

[@RyeOnHam]

Yeah, it'll do in a pinch. I think a good, high-velocity PCP air rifle would suit everybody's needs better. I've got some heavier pellets to try, but with KZbin's stance on gun videos, I don't know if I'll make videos about them. It's been several years and there's a box full of various test projectiles still sitting in the corner of the safe. Thank you for watching. I do have a playlist of these nail gun blanks if you're interested in more info: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpSYo6OJoJZojqs

[@rjonzen34]

Brown- 1880.6FPS avg.Green- 2323.8FPS avg.Yellow-2820.6FPS avg.Very impressive, makes you think why is the 22lr so dam weak!

[@RyeOnHam]

+rjonzen34 I have another video where I use brown and green loads to try firing .22 lr bullets I pulled from live cartridges. Spoiler alert, the green #3 load blew out the case. The .22 lr is weak, but that is because the case is made from a think sheet of brass. The rim is the same thickness as the sides of the case and it can only hold a certain amount of pressure. .22 LR loads have to be relatively weak to keep the case heads from blowing out.

[@1014p]

rjonzen34 interesting point

[@-jimmyjames]

what about epoxy or liquid rubber fill for pellet squirt? Perhaps Jb weld. lol. so many choices

[@rodrigocirilo7343]

Hey buddy, thanks for your video ... very well done ..... to hear my English is not very good, but if I understand right accuracy is not good ?? is there a way to get better ... because here in my country blank cartridges are extremely cheap and I liked the shot. You think throwing dangerous (plinking) always with this cartridge?

[@RyeOnHam]

I was able to shoot 8 inch groups at 25 yards. I think that you can shoot brown number 2 blanks and get better accuracy. I did not do enough testing to determine this. For plinking, that would probably be a good load.

[@lmomechtech7709]

Thanks for giving it a shot...interesting and fun seeing.

[@RyeOnHam]

Stay tuned. Follow-up video(s) in the works. Thanks for watching!

[@nateg8555]

i superglued 22 pellets to the end and they fed in my ruger mklll target , i did this before i saw this video i was wandering if that would get consistent velocity?

[@RyeOnHam]

No. Do not do that. First, do not do ANY of this. If you watch TAOFLEDERMAUS' video, they try this and it does not work for them. This is the video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3-kgmNjnqmhack

[@Rozmic]

Interesting results. I think if you used TAC heavy (17gr) pellets they would work better because they have a smaller skirt and are made out of tin alloy. Those are about 2x the cost of regular pellets though.

[@RyeOnHam]

Yeah, at that price point, you can pay the scalper rates for .22 instead.

[@gorgileny69]

Guys this video is really awesome I try it out with the green level 3 an it blow my mind on the damg it did to a 1/4 inch still plate I have am going to make video of it busted for fun

[@michteve222]

Why does my .22 brake barrel not fit these .22 nail gun cartridges? Did you have to modify your gun to seat them properly ?

[@RyeOnHam]

Not sure what you're asking. The nail-gun blanks fit just fine in all of my .22's. What brand of nail-gun blank are you using? There are many makers and I've only shown you what I had. They do make 27 caliber blanks as well, which would not fit.

[@greglindsey4180]

I did this when I was 13 years old with a Remington 511 Targetmaster back in 1967. It was my dads gun. He wasn't home !! I could tell, it was much faster than my Sheridan.

[@RyeOnHam]

+Greg Lindsey LOL, always when Dad is not home. I had some interesting and mildly dangerous adventures of my own while dad worked 14 hours a day. It's a wonder I have all my fingers and both eyes.

[@AllisChalmersMN]

I really enjoyed this video. Lots of good info that I'll never use but still cool to see. Thank you for taking the time to make it. What suppressor is that? Minnesota just passed a bill allowing us to own them and I want a .22 suppressor along with a 30 caliber.

[@RyeOnHam]

mrdole2008 That's a Silencerco Spectre II.

[@rickyshultz2051]

I had the same thing , skirts shearing off , lower power level charges solved that .

[@Brainmalfuction]

i would have liked to see some groups of the lvl 2 to see how they make out great vid nun the less always something i wondered about

[@RyeOnHam]

The session was cut short. I had planned on grouping the Browns and Greens. I started with the Yellow (level 4) but the gun was shooting too high. I then took the 22 lr's out and sighted it in but ran out of time to print some groups with the other two loads. I think the Brown is actually the best candidate for accuracy, safety, and reduced leading in the bore. Subscribe; I will get a follow-up video done someday.

[@Brainmalfuction]

I already did;) thanks for the response

[@brianconway2226]

RyeOnHam try grouping the Rossi with regular 22 you may be disappointed

[@RyeOnHam]

I did and I was not. No, it isn't a target rifle but I was getting decent groups. I posted a video on it too.

[@1fanger]

Never shot a blank nail driver load in a gun. Wonder if the powder is corrosive or not? Is the rim the same configuration as real 22 shells? Thanks

[@RyeOnHam]

The shells are identical to .22 LR shells. They are made on the same line. These are NOT black powder, which would be corrosive. They are made side-by-side with other rimfire cartridges. This is smokeless powder. I think there is a common misconception that blanks are corrosive. While that is true of some BLANKS, these are not stage or noise blanks, they are powder-actuated tool charges meant for tools that are generally used hundreds of times and never cleaned. There is no way these tools would operate more than one day with corrosive primers or powder. Now, if you have a theatrical (stage) blank or noise blank meant for dog training, starting pistols, etc. then all bets are off. They often use Black Powder due to the fact they do not have any back pressure. You can identify these because they will have a cardboard or wax seal and a blunt-nosed cartridge case.

[@1fanger]

interesting, thanks

[@singecauchemar7410]

In a revolver, should the pellet be seated ahead of the nose of the blank in the cylinder or ahead of the forcing cone and just into the rifling of the bore ? I'm inclined to seat it into the cylinder so the full pressure of the charge is behind the pellet before it jumps the cylinder gap, analogous to a cap and ball cylinder loading. Opinion ?

[@RyeOnHam]

Oingo Boingo Watch my revolver video. You cannot seat the pellet or ANYTHING against the blank as it prevents the petals from opening up and creates overpressure situation.

[@singecauchemar7410]

RyeOnHam When I said "ahead of the nose of the blank" I should have been more precise in my wording by adding "by a few millimeters to permit the crimp on the blank to fully open". I still believe that the projectile (pellet or ball) should be in the cylinder SOMEWHAT ahead of the powder charge (blank or compressed charge). You're opinion is still requested re; cylinder load vs. barrel rifling load for the projectile. I watched your revolver video, the one showcasing the various unique models. It didn't seem to address the question that I raised.Also, do you have experience with the Thompson Center 5R rifling as it relates to bore leading ? TC guarantees 1 MOA in rifles with that. I emailed them about a bolt gun chambered in 5.56 to compete with the grossly overpriced Ruger and the QC challenged Mossberg. They said they'd think about it.

[@RyeOnHam]

Rifling styles are more of marketing gimmicks than reality. Micro-Groove and polygonal are both prone to leading. Forcing cone tolerances are more of a lead gatherer than any other part of the barrel. Watch this video and see what you think: goo.gl/AZbYDr

[@aidenthepropmaker5805]

Is there any way you can use a very weak glue to glue the “bullet” to the powder charge?

[@RyeOnHam]

Yes, you can glue it, however it leads to problems. The petals on the blank need room to open. The glue at the end can raise pressures dangerously.

[@Ballenxj]

OK, CRAZY stuff, but thumbs up for it. That would make one heck of a rabbit gun.

[@johnfranklin4038]

As for the skirts, the pressure is hitting too fast, skirt spreads like it is supposed to but it's so violent that it sticks to the sides while the rest of the pellet is fired. If you fill in the skirt with lead or file it down to no-skirt, it would probably work a lot better. The skirts are setup for air which has a lot lower ramp up to full pressure so it needs the weak rimmed skirt to capture all the air but not push so hard against the bore that it is slowed down.

[@native4329]

I have to try this definitely!

[@Jesses001]

I think I will stick to standard .22lr ammo, but good information to know. I have that rifle. I saw it cheap someplace and figured why no? not like I can have too many rifles, ha. Trigger was like sandpaper but after a few hundred rounds, it feels rather nice. I like that it can shot any load, even powderless. It is a great test bed rifle for new loads. sights are not bad either.

[@haydenfrost2692]

Do you think there's a way to keep the pellet almost loaded with the load like with masking tape or something

[@RyeOnHam]

No. People have suggested many things, but none of them work well and none of them are safe.

[@SimSimon87]

In Joule: The yellow at maximum 2.864fps (872,94m/s) has got 353.06 Joule of energy with 14.3gr (0,93g) pellets. That's impressive, given the average pellet gun shoots those at about 580fps (170m/s) and 10 Joule. The pellet travels about 5 times faster but has got 35 times the energy. Physics is awesome! :)

[@RyeOnHam]

+SimSimon87 It's pretty impressive, yes.

[@n00bkill]

A idea for a next stage of testing this could be to use copper .22 air rifle pellets. Copper has a much higher yield strength than lead so the skirts might stay attached with the high velocity charges.

[@RyeOnHam]

I will be doing follow-up videos, but unless something changes, there will be nothing expensive involved. Just diminishing returns on a concept of dubious value anyway.

[@MrMudNugget]

I took some of the level 4 and sanded down a bamboo chopstick. muzzle loaded the stick and fired the bamboo stick at pressure treated fence half in thick wood. Went 3" through. Was crazy as shit and repeated this process. Close range spear fishing for sure

[@The_Osprey]

You should try some heavier loads. They make pellets in .22 caliber that weigh over 25 grains.

[@jamesblade6132]

Rye, I would also be curious to see you test the amour 22 caliber pellets. These pellets are a 22 caliber pellet with a .177 caliber BB glued into the tip. Several companies make these pellets. My guess is that you would be able to penitrate a 1/4 inch steel plate, perhaps even body amor as these pellets weigh roughly 17-21 grains and should be traveling somewhere in the 2,500-2,600 fps range using the #4 blanks. Thanks again, I really enjoyed your videos.

[@RyeOnHam]

James Wilburn Given my experience firing M855 at various things over the years, I highly doubt the armour 22 pellets would penetrate a 1/4" steel plate even at the velocities one would get with the nail-gun blanks. I will likely be doing more pellet videos in the future. Stay tuned.

[@jamesblade6132]

Rye, Thank you for the reply. I was only taking a guess at that one, lol. I have shot the penitrators out of my 22 caliber Walther Taylon Magnum pellet rifle at approximately 1,000 fps at an abandoned, burnt up 2009? Chyrsler mini van. I was able to penitrate the tail gate, the thin metal dash panel and it lodged into the firewall. That is my extended of testing those particular pellets. I usually shoot Crossman Premier 22 caliber hollow points (14.3 grain) or Predator Polymag (16 grain) at standard targets. I have done some serious bullet testing with my 300 Winchester Magnums, 180 grain @ 3,450 fps with 4,125 ft lbs muzzle energy from Hornady SST GMX ammo will blow holes straight through 1/2 inch steel like a drill press at 100 yards. Anyway I am now rambling on. I throughly enjoy your videos, please keep them coming. BTW Pyramid air is a great source for Pellets, great prices, hundreds of selections in 22 caliber, buy 3 get a 4th tin free. Thanks again, JAMES

[@RyeOnHam]

I've checked into Pyramid Air on the premium pellets, and I have to say the same thing I've said dozens of times: Pellets are expensive! When you take .22 lr ammunition... LOADED ammunition into account, there is no pellet that should be worth more than a CCI Mini-Mag. Yet, MOST of the premium pellets are more expensive. Given that the nail-gun blanks are already more expensive than bulk 22 ammo, it's really hard to come up with an advantage for any pellet. Interesting? Maybe. Useful? Not really.

[@jamesblade6132]

I absolutely agree, I just enjoy watching your test, lol. I have no plans of doing this myself as I also own six 22 rifles and currently have a stock pile of 10,000 rounds of Remington Golden Bullets as well as another 800 round brick of Winchesters. Again I just really enjoy your test videos. I usually only shoot my pellet guns on my property as there is a neighbor fairly close. I will shoot my 22 rifles on occasion but, I do not wish to alarm anyone in the neighborhood close to me as I can imagine the blanks and pellets crack off louder then a standard velocity 22 lr. Thank you again, I'll keep watching.

[@danr5704]

Just now seeing the videos Tal and here, different projectiles would be the natural next step. My 69 Winchester likes 40grn no matter what. Forget stingers. Maybe the rifling would need to match the loads. In a pinch you can even launch your cleaning rod.

[@xzqzq]

That break-action rifle is perfect for this.... Wonder if a revolver would work well, also...

[@RyeOnHam]

I'm not sure. It all depends on if the throat has enough tension to hold the bullet. Similar in concept to a black-powder revolver, I guess.

[@olegrayheadedfart]

If leaded, the jacketed ammo "irons" out the lead, try putting some lube in the "grove" of the pellet, might give little more fps and avoid leading

[@warywolfen]

There ARE level 1 .22s. They are gray. They're used largely for driving nails into wood, whereas the higher levels are for driving them into concrete, or even, metal.

[@RyeOnHam]

+Clyde Wary I was able to find some since I made this video. Life has to slow down a bit, but eventually I will get a follow-up video posted.

[@thewonderfrog]

Looks like a break open action .22 is the ideal platform for this. Great job by the way, you can certainly tell that the longer barrel lets all the powder burn up and increases the velocity by a wide margin. I saw TAOFLEDERMAUS' video and the pellets look like great varmint killers. Have you done accuracy testing? a 6 inch group at 50 feet is terrible, but a well sighted in rifle testing various pellet designs might just be the ticket. Great Job.

[@RyeOnHam]

I have not (yet) done accuracy testing beyond the one group you see in the video. My video session was interrupted. I may do accuracy testing in the future. If you're subscribed, it should come up in your feed. Thanks for watching!

[@dkeith45]

@thewonderfrog The accuracy problem is likely due to the fact a .22 pellet is actually .218 as is the air rifle barrel. Whereas a .22 LR is .223 as is the barrel. A more interesting test would be to take an air rifle barrel, and retro fit it to a .22 LR action, then ream out the end of the air rifle barrel enough to get the 22 Ramset blank into it. Even better if you had deeper pockets, have a custom made air rifle barrel with faster twist rifling.

[@megaog4999]

Would you recomend doing this

[@RyeOnHam]

No. I have several other videos posted and soon to post that qualify my opinion on this, but the short answer is, no.

[@megaog4999]

Oh ok thanks for telling me hope to see you latest vids (:

[@xenaguy01]

I was especially glad that you shot a measured group. How did that compare with a .22 lr group at the same range, with the same rifle?

[@RyeOnHam]

I think that I showed it in the video, however regular rimfire ammunition was far superior in accuracy. Yes, out of the same gun.

[@xenaguy01]

@@RyeOnHam Thx for the reply, and for the vid. Looks like a viable SHTF small game solution, or just plinking + target shooting.

[@ddermont6058]

nice little jet of fire from the pistol~

[@RyeOnHam]

Lots of smoke as well.

[@DandSCreations]

Rye on Ham... a few years back I had a junk Beeman pellet rifle. Drilled out the back 1/4 inch of rifling to insert a shot gun shell primer. I would fire a .177 cal pellet through a 2x4.. The method to detonate the primer was through entirely just dieseling.. you would insert a few drop of motor oil in the air chamber and when it fired the piston would compress the air so hard it would combust. This would ignite the shot shell primer and send the .177 pellet through a 2x4... accuraccy was... um. Well it was powerful! Care to duplicate this? Cheap cheap fun

[@RyeOnHam]

I have had dozens of suggestions. I just can't do them all.

[@DandSCreations]

Understandable. No reason I can't do it again but just make a nice you tube video this time.

[@dsb1763]

GREAT STUDY!!! Some statisticians may complain about the small n. But hey, if they got the money, they and go repeat it will a larger n.

[@RyeOnHam]

+dsb1763 If they want to fund the study, I will provide the data. I wanted to demonstrate that they were somewhat consistent as well as a reasonable representation of the velocity ranges expected. I didn't correct for many variables and it was mostly a same-day decision to do the shooting. Wanted to collect as many data points as possible. My degree is in sociology, so it's not a REAL science!

[@KrazyMitchAdventures]

Here in Canada, 100 rounds of Hammer loads are $12.98 + tax = $15. + 500 rounds of .22 Cal Pellets are $13.99 + tax = $15. So, for 500 rounds of hammer loads is $75. 1400 rounds of Winchester golden Bullet = $70, and my Ruger takedown has 25rnd Mags.. Personally I like the 25rnd at a time, then single shot.. I have a pellet rifle that shoots .177 cal pellets at 1200fps..

[@MikeDittmanmachining]

Nice video. I'm thinking about trying it through my chrono with the PBA pellets.

[@RyeOnHam]

Thanks for watching. Let me know how that turns out.

[@MikeDittmanmachining]

I will and I'll try to remember to get video of it. I've got a machining business and do a little video here and there if you're interested in that kind of stuff.

[@MrRufusjax]

Instead of spending $6 on a container of shooting ear plugs he spends $600 on a suppressor. That actually sounds like something I might do. LOL!!

[@RyeOnHam]

Yep. Still waiting for Jeff from Taofladermaodubhaes to reimburse me.

[@gonzaloyerena5416]

cuestion what's the name of the hand pistol the you were using and also what kind of pellet pistol would you recommend with enough power to take down rabbits.?

[@RyeOnHam]

The pistol is one I made with a Ruger MK II grip frame and a Ruger 22/45 Lite receiver. You cannot buy them. The pellets I would use for Rabbit would probably be the same ones you would use for such things out of an air rifle. I am really not an expert. My area of expertise is guns. I do have other nail-gun blank videos in the works and will use some heavier pellets in at least one of them. If you are subscribed, you will see them soon enough.

[@jakejames2269]

Mark 2

[@jozzerful2]

I have the red ones they are power level 6, Are the ones that you have 6,8 / 11

[@RyeOnHam]

Not sure which ones you have but the power levels I am familiar with are: 1 - Grey 2 - Brown 3 - Green 4 - Yellow 5 - Red 6 - Purple www.ramset.com/portals/0/Images/products/Accessories/Powder%20Loads/graph.jpg

[@jozzerful2]

@@RyeOnHam yes you the ones I have are red the rating on the box is 6 , they are shorter

[@RyeOnHam]

@@jozzerful2 what is the brand?

[@jozzerful2]

@@RyeOnHam RED-920131 6,8/11 calibre strip loads Then there is a circle with 1 to 12 and in the centre number six and an arrow pointing at number 6 piston tool powder charges 100 Red/ rouge

[@RyeOnHam]

@@jozzerful2 Ah, I see. Those are .27 caliber blanks. Mine are .22 caliber.

[@bandpassmess]

Cool thing you have a large selection of ammo with air ammo You can use alloy with yellow primer you might break 3000 fps ! That's a devastating round to whatever it hits !

[@dkeith45]

Another interesting experiment would be to get a .22 air rifle barrel and use the Ramset blanks. Of course, it may be more complicated than that. It might take a custom made air rifle barrel with a faster rifling twist.

[@RyeOnHam]

No way I'd trust an air rifle barrel to contain the powder loads. I do not suggest you try this. Well, don't try any of this. I'm a professional KZbinr.

[@dkeith45]

@@RyeOnHam My thinking was along the lines of, one of those 12 ga shotgun to .22 LR adapters like you see on Ebay, with part of the adapter drilled out to insert a .22 air rifle barrel into. Dunno if they'd be joined via threading or JB Weld or Red Loctite or what. And IMO you are WAY too afraid to try new things LOL. When I was a teen, in metal shop I made a small cannon on a lathe. I used I think it was 1" or maybe 1 1/2" cold rolled steel, six inches long, drilled five inches deep 1/2" bore, and a 1/8" touch hole at the bottom of the bore. I was also reloading shotgun shells at the time because I shot Trap and Skeet. So I had smokeless powder around. I'd put a foot long piece of waterproof cannon fuse into the touch hole, fill the bore with Red-Dot, Green-Dot, 700X or some other shotgun powder to near the end of the bore, then pack in a tissue paper wad and pound in a small rock with a hammer. Then lay it down in the street, light the fuse and run WAY back. When that sucker went off it made a HELL of a boom and the cannon would go skidding backward twenty feet or more, lol. That thing never ruptured even though that was a goal at some point, lol. Shit, me, my brothers and other kids in the hood made cannons, home made firecrackers all kinds of stuff. We'd buy M80's like the real ones that were like 1/4 sticks of Dynamite and blow stuff up, annoy the neighbors etc. None of us ever lost any fingers, we were careful enough, because we were trained by our fathers who were more often than not, Vets of Korea or WW2 lol. Crazy days. But kids these days are too scared to do any of that stuff now it seems.

[@BoomLover1000]

I bought the Rossi .22/.410 single shot partly in response to this video, and partly because it was on sale at a great discount...have fired both barrels, but now going to try this experiment...got the #4's already...pellets next...looks like a bunch of fun!

[@RyeOnHam]

Have fun and be safe. Duplex loads were not working and were blowing out cases so if you're trying it, ensure you have eye protection. When I ran 100 more pellets through the bore, I did end up with leading that required some attention about where the rifling started. Brass bore brush on a drill and 30 seconds or so got all the lead (doesn't hurt the bore). Other than that, I'll have accuracy tests up soon that were quite surprising.

[@BoomLover1000]

RyeOnHam Thanks...I don't plan to do Duplex loads, and I have an option...Copper .22 cal Pellets...spendy, but the copper won't foul the barrel, and are harder than the lead. This looks like it will be a fun experience, and I'll come back and let you know how the copper pellets work. I also got pointed .22 cal lead pellets, (as opposed to rounded heads), all they had, but supposedly fly straighter, (?)...we shall see!

[@RyeOnHam]

I think the copper pellets will hold together better, but, ugh, the price. I looked up a pellet somebody suggested earlier and it was $10 for 110 of them. Add $6 for 100 blanks and you're getting near 9mm range there. I'm interested how your experiment will go.

[@BoomLover1000]

RyeOnHam Another thing about the Copper Pellets...they are only 14.4 grains...very light, yet the Copper is stronger than the Lead...it will be interesting....I am looking for the "other" Pellets, the higher weight just might compensate for the lower velocity in the accuracy department...this is looking like a fun experiment.....

[@RyeOnHam]

Again a word of caution, though. Heavier pellets will give you exponentially higher pressures.

[@HaveFaithInGod]

How do you think this would do in a revolver ie. a Ruger Wrangler?

[@RyeOnHam]

I have a video on that, but the spoiler alert answer is that the pellets dropped straight through the cylinder. Since only the barrel is rifled, there is nothing to hold a pellet in place.

[@kjanssen4665]

nice video. if you are going to do this again you should try h&n rabbit magnum II pellets. these are more solids so they don't have skirts and they are quite heavy (aprox. 25 grains).

[@RyeOnHam]

I tried several other varieties, but the bottom line is that more expensive pellets reduce the effectiveness of these loads exponentially. I do have some videos ready to post (one going up this afternoon) that will give a better idea of what these loads are capable of.

[@365sojourner]

Ejecting on power level 3 and not on power level two shows that the chamber pressure is probably close to .22 lr. And power level four is likely close to .22mag.

[@365sojourner]

I have a bunch of .22 liner and a lathe i think ill make a muzzle loader type setup for loads like this. if the chamber is cut just long enough for the blanks you get no air space between load and blank making it safer in regards to chamber pressures. may help with the pellet separating problem too.

[@RyeOnHam]

Perhaps a felt wad? Just trying to translate muzzleloader techniques. I don't know if I would go so far as to modify a barrel for it. TFM said he had attempted to glue the pellet to the blank. I think that you might get poor results. The best I can figure, the reason I had case head separation was that the petals on the blank were stuck in the base of the bullet and did not have a chance to open. This created an artificial high-pressure zone in the cartridge. I think it's important that the pellet is engaged in the rifling and that it is forward enough to allow the blank to open up completely.

[@Cof150offroad]

You should try using the 22 caliber copper pellets I think they will hold up to the higher velocity better and you might get better accuracy and you might not have the skirt sharing problems that you were having with the lead pellets.

[@RyeOnHam]

I do not intend to do testing with any other pellets. The current configuration is around $8 per 100 pellets which is is more expensive than scalper rates for .22 lr bulk pack. .22 bulk pack is an order of magnitude more accurate.

[@gotsteem]

Thanks for the video. Very interesting.

[@joshuafroughton4171]

You gotta use alloy pellets, there stronger and the skirt won't break off. they also don't disintegrate on impact. I've penetrated a 3/8 thick aluminium plate with the yellow Ramset and gamo rocket

[@RyeOnHam]

You're throwing around terms a bit loosely here. "Alloy" does not describe a manufacturer and brand. "Aluminum" is what we call it here in the states and it comes in alloys too numerous to name. I presume you are talking about tin or copper pellets. The problem I have with those projectiles is that they cost more than loaded .22 LR boutique ammunition... the fancy expensive stuff. Why not just buy .22 LR ammunition at that point? Even during the height of the ammo shortage, you could always pay 25 cents a round for the expensive .22 LR, so it's not an availability issue. That said, I do have some upcoming videos (so long as KZbin starts paying me again) featuring various .22 loads you have not seen yet. You're welcome to send me some expensive 'alloy' pellets and I'll shoot them, I just don't see shelling out my own hard-earned money since the KZbin ad revenue crash.

[@dustinh4175]

How bad did you scratch the barrel? Couldn't find a wooden dowl

[@RyeOnHam]

Didn't. Could have. Didn't.

[@spitfire260381]

After shooting a few hundred of each level it was vary clear that anything over the brown leval two was too much for the pellets I use a 19 gr domed ultra heavy pellet from crossman and I seat the pellet about six inches down the barrel this eliminates all the foweld skirts and I'm using a custom made savage rascal carbine with tactical stock and both iron sites and scope and I can get five rounds on a three inch target at 120 yards I go threw a box of brown charges every few days 👍 Around here we calk them Armageddon ammo haha 😂 Great video BTW

[@RyeOnHam]

Great that you're having good luck with them. I don't recommend anybody seat the pellet that far forward. I was not having skirt separation with the brown loads so long as the pellets were seated beyond where the blank petals opened up. Then again, I've only fired about 50 or so off camera and my videos kind of sum up my results. I do have other pellets to try, however KZbin has lost interest in supporting this kind of content, so my videos are instantly demonetized when I post them. Given about 20 hours of work will go into a 10-minute video, I can't justify the time.

[@charlescastle4332]

Can you glue the pellet onto the crimped end? Would it seat fully

[@RyeOnHam]

You can, but it will prevent the petals from opening and blow the front of the pellet down the bore. Taofledermaus tried this, I think. I don't have a video of it. Bottom line is it does not work.

[@charlescastle4332]

@@RyeOnHam Ok good to know thanks

[@rodrigocirilo7343]

You could make a video with various types of pellets, some who have not quit, they are massive, they may have greater weight, that could be causing excess pressure in the chamber? for example, a pellet with 30 to 40 grains ??

[@RyeOnHam]

I do not have access to heavier pellets. I would be surprised if anything interesting happened with heavier pellets different than would happen with just regular .22lr bullets. Heavier pellets would also be more dangerous. I do not wish to blow up my gun.

[@rodrigocirilo7343]

RyeOnHam Thanks for replying dear friend ..

[@xtechnolegendx]

I wonder if it would work better with a solid or coded copper pellet

[@RyeOnHam]

Maybe, but understand the purpose behind this is not to build a better system, it is a substitute for .22 LR ammo. If you have to pay more per pellet than you do for premium, loaded .22 ammo, then what's the point? Add the cost of the blanks in, and you've crossed over into the absurd. I do have an upcoming series of videos exploring various .22 pellets and other projectiles. If you're subscribed, you'll see it sooner or later.

[@xtechnolegendx]

+RyeOnHam good point

[@jameshenderson8270]

this is good info. with 22 ammo hard to get at regular price not gouger prices like most gun stores ive seen. Its something i would try at my own risk and being safe about it with an old single shot i have just to have a little fun. Thanks for the info gona watch your other vids for more

[@Muslim89Idris]

RyeOnHam hey, I saw that you commented about upgrading your Mbp late 2011 to ssd drive by Samsung, just wondering, how did that work out? would you recommend it? did it actually make a big difference as far as speed, on boot up and opening programs, and also did you notice ay less heat when using the laptop heavily? sorry for commenting about that on this video I know it has noting to do with this post, just thought you might give me a reply faster this way.

[@RyeOnHam]

I don't recall the comment, but I run an SSD on one of my computers and it is MUCH faster than the same computer on platters. I was not satisfied with the storage, so I run a hard disk as a secondary for storage. It's on a desktop computer and I try to use it for video processing.

[@Muslim89Idris]

RyeOnHam thanks for the quick reply, i upgraded to the sad drive today on my macbook pro late 2011, also upped the ram, runs way faster

[@SantanaTelevision]

You should try long-distance shooting with those. Since the rounds are travelling so much faster than that of a normal .22 round, I'd assume their max-effective-range would be drastically increased as well.

[@RyeOnHam]

+David Santana It would make sense that faster means less drop, but with the accuracy level I was getting at just 25 yards and the fact that the only targets this would be good for would be small game (small kill zone), the actual effective range of these loads would probably be around 25 yards. I do plan some different loads. I have all the supplies, I just need some time in my life to shoot the video. I am hoping I can stretch some of those out to 50 yards, but stay tuned. If you're subscribed, I'll post them eventually.

[@SantanaTelevision]

+RyeOnHam You could also try to use actual .22 bullets. Like the lead itself, and try to fire the round that way. However, I'd be afraid of the internal pressures built by the cartridges would surpass the steel strength of the barrel.

[@RyeOnHam]

David Santana I already did that. in another video. You can watch it, or I can spoil it for you. Your choice. I will say that I did not blow up my bun.

[@henrybraud1156]

It sure seems cheaper than buying .22 ammo these days!!!! It would be very helpful if you could find someone to loan you a strain gauge to see what the pressures were. Thanks for the great video!!!!

[@RyeOnHam]

Thanks for watching. Pressure measuring does not work like that. There is no gauge you can attach to divine pressure. Pressure can only be measured with modifications to the barrels and laboratory equipment. I can say that .22LR is not powerful enough to damage the Rossi.

[@PiotrBarcz]

It's unreal how these are comparable to magnum power! I wonder how run of the mill rounds can be less powerful than this cobbled together method?

[@RyeOnHam]

The .22 LR cartridge was originally developed for Black Powder and the pressure and volume were what was required for that. Given Black Powder needs more volume, it makes sense that you could add more powder when the gun is properly designed. In this case, the guns could take it, so it doesn't surprise me much.

[@PiotrBarcz]

Pretty cool stuff! Now we know how to get ammo in a pinch xD

[@TransAmDrifter]

I have a suggestion to make rounds from reloaded and reprimed rimfires, but instead of a normal bullet, fit a .22 pellet in there. That would save reloading time and jamming (if the gun is self repeating) problems.

[@RyeOnHam]

There is no cheap or easy way to reprime a 22 lr cartridge. Also, the .22 pellet is full width at the base whereas the 22lr cartridge has a neck that is about .20 caliber. .22LR bullets are rebated at the base for this reason. If you are subscribed, I will be posting a follow-up video in the near future.

[@dutchk9833]

Interesting video. Of course I had to try it myself, so I purchased the same Rossi 22/410 combo and Ramset #3 blanks. (Lowes didnt have any #2 or #4 at the time) The pellet's I used were Gamo Pellets, 22cal Mag, Spire Point, Dbl Ring, Per 250 and Gamo USA Rocket Pellets 22cal 14.3gr Hardened Steel Tip 100/tin. I just pushed the pellets into the back of the barrel, and then put in the blank behind it which may have caused some of my issues. Pretty much all of my shots had the skirt shearing off, and many of the blanks cracking or blowing out the bottoms due to high pressures. Maybe using the Allen Wrench gives the small amount of spacing needed to reduce pressures, instead of having direct contact between the pellet and blank. I did order some #2 Ramset blanks to try with the Gamo pellets, and also ordered some H&N Rabbit Magnum II 24.69 grains, Cylindrical, Solid, 200ct pellets to try with the #3 blanks. I think the solid pellets will fair a lot better. I did not Chrono anything at this time, but will try to do so later. Since the gun came with the 410 barrel, I also had to buy all the supplies needed to build my own slug loads. Thanks to your video, I am about $400 in the hole. I need to stay off youtube.

[@RyeOnHam]

Dutch K9 I would like to take credit, but TAOFLEDERMAUS was the driving factor in me dropping money on my setup. Be sure to check out the dozen or so other pellet and nail-gun blank videos for some other money-wasting ideas!

[@TheCowboyfromhell87]

This is just too cool!!! I have always wanted to try this and when I saw Taos video I just knew there was some potential to this. 2,800 fps with what maybe a 15 or 18 grain pellet? Should be handy on squirrel if the distance is reasonable.

[@RyeOnHam]

Thanks for watching. 14.3 grain nominal bullet weight for these pellets. So, at 2,864 that means 260.5 Foot-Pounds of energy. I would say it's overkill for squirrel. I think the brown loads with head shots at short range would work, but I have not done extensive accuracy testing yet.

[@BarryAllen-hm1op]

Did you have a lot of leading in the bore?

[@RyeOnHam]

There was leading, but no more than a revolver shooting bare lead bullets gets. It did clean out well with a bronze brush, though. I did make a point of running a wet patch down the bores the night before I went out shooting. The Break-Free has PTFE in it and provides a bit of a barrier, even with all of the heat and friction. It cleans well because of it. Another thing you can do is fire plated bullets intermittently and at the end of the range session to cut down on leading. Neither of these guns had a bore that was worn or pitted. An older barrel might end up being more pitted if treated this way. I was careful and checked the bore often (after each shot towards the end) to ensure that nothing unsafe was happening.

[@donembrey3956]

If you push the bullet an inch past the chamber open to the rifling you will get outstanding accuracy and won't rip the pellets up in the bore.

[@RyeOnHam]

The pellet is an inch past the breech engaging with the rifling. Are you saying an inch down the bore? beyond the 'leade' where the rifling starts? I would not advise this as you risk detonation or getting a pellet skirt stuck. While I do not doubt you can get excellent accuracy doing so, it would require something to precisely place the pellet in the same place every time.

[@Biketunerfy]

Wow wow wow ! That's more than 2 and a half times the speed of sound on a air rifle pellet !, I'm glad that some one has finally got around to doing this as I've always pondered about this. The air rifle pellet is so light it's as if the powder load doesn't even notice there is a bullet (pellet in this case) in front of it. I'm betting that the speed will drop off dramatically due to the lack of mass and the compressive Air Force out in front of it, also at this speed the friction caused by the pellet ripping through the air will cause the pellet to melt whilst in flight and again dramatically reducing the speed and accuracy. This is why bullets not all but most are shrouded in copper, this was to stop the lead from melting or going soft and stopping deformation which would happen at rounds travelling at these type of speeds which would cause the lead to go soft or in some cases melt and the bullet would deform as the massive compressive forces in front cause it to lose accuracy at longer ranges. I'm willing to bet that at 50 yards you couldn't hit a target consistently like you could with normal rounds.

[@RyeOnHam]

Lead bullets can physically withstand velocities above what we're getting here. The heat from air resistance mostly comes from compression of the air in front and there just isn't a whole lot of time for that heat to soak into the bullet. It won't melt or fly apart from flying through the air. Reports of such things happening are mistakes. Bullets have to withstand the violent trip down the bore. The damage to the bullet is mostly caused by 'internal ballistics' forces such as: 1) compression and pressure behind the bullet (and a little at the front) 2) friction of the bullet against the bore 3) deformation of the bullet 4) heat transfer from powder burning 5) ablation (a combined effect of the gasses sneaking around the pellet) 6) physical cutting of the outside of the bullet by the rifling 7) torque as the outside of the bullet is spun up from zero to 10,000 (or more) RPM's in a matter of milliseconds Combined these take a toll on the pellet, but only a little lead is actually melted and that is mostly from 'gas cutting' or ablation around the base. On your other point, I believe you've got it absolutely right. This is not a 50-yard load. Anything that would be worthy of shooting with this load is going to be too small to reliably hit it out beyond about 15-20 yards at best. The powder burns well due to the crimped design of the nail gun blank. It actually burns well if there is nothing but air in front of it. I have another video firing the blanks alone in a revolver.

[@thra5herxb12s]

I tried this years ago with 6mm starting pistol cartridges but the lead pellets came out shaped like balloons and deformed into all kinds of crazy shapes where the blast tried to inflate them before they started to move.

[@RyeOnHam]

+thra5herxb12s That does not sound safe at all.

[@thra5herxb12s]

I later found out that a starter pistol cartridge has a realy fast burning charge because its job is just to make a loud bang. A nail gun cartridge burns slower to push the gasses out for longer which is what is needed to drive a nail in.

[@onyxsolo1]

You should try heavier pellets like the 25.39 Grain JSB Match Diabolo Exact Jumbo Monster .22 Cal. When it comes to accuracy, heavier pellets tend to stably penetrate air/wind resistance better.

[@RyeOnHam]

It would be nice. I have all the supplies, but KZbin has demonetized my videos. I would spend the better part of 20 hours doing one video and end up with no revenue and perhaps a channel strike for making ammo. Sorry, probably not going to be able to make a video.

[@onyxsolo1]

I'd classify this video more along the lines of science/DIY/Experimentation. But, yeah youtube sucks. Thumbs up for the reply. Watching this video has peeked my curiosity in getting a single shot .22

[@aliasfred]

You should try some Beeman Crow Magnum hunting pellets, they are more solid with a minimal skirt.

[@RyeOnHam]

I do have a follow-up video in the works, but my philosophy is that the more you spend on the pellets, the less useful they are. At $6 a box of 100 blanks, you are already spending more than the cheap .22 ammo and that doesn't include the cost of the pellet. I would like this to be a practical exercise, so I have to skim available and affordable pellets or there is really no point. The Beeman's you mention are 2.5 times the cost of the ones I used and they weren't at the WalMart when I went shopping. Two strikes right there.

[@aliasfred]

RyeOnHam okay thanks, I thought you were doing the video as a means of "making do" when .22 caliber ammo was so hard to find.

[@RyeOnHam]

Yes, but then .22 caliber ammo isn't really all that hard to find. You can buy the expensive stuff still. Just go to Midway USA and they've usually got half a dozen varieties that are 100 times more accurate and practical.

[@aliasfred]

RyeOnHam Well, I own no "powder" firearms. All I have are, is some high power Air guns that can kill with my choice of pellets. Although I have fired Q-Tips through the .177's to clear lead fouling after a couple thousand rounds.

[@jimkovac915]

Time to test on Tannerite. Good vid, I like that rifle.

[@RyeOnHam]

My range does not allow reactive targets. Tannerite would just piss off the neighbors and create trash to clean up.

[@josearnaldopinheirodossant7712]

Ok, did you try with solid led bullits ?

[@RyeOnHam]

Why, yes I did. I actually have an entire playlist of, like, a dozen related videos. Here's the one where I shoot pulled bullets: goo.gl/Heiov6

[@heisenbergwalter3363]

barrel is not obstructed in a blank gun? I think it is in my country (France)

[@RyeOnHam]

These are not blank guns. They are real, .22 lr guns. The .22 blanks are just .22 lr cases with a crimp instead of a bullet. America does not have many blank guns available. I have used blank guns to scar away geese. If we need to defend ourselves, real guns are available with a background check. I love France, by the way. We visited in 2018. Tried to stay away from the tourist sites, but we did spend a day in Paris, but we enjoyed Beauvais Cathedral. We had the cathedral all to ourselves, except for a few cats.

[@jackstephens9201]

Man, you went above and beyond for this. Great job. I haven't watched the other videos yet so if you have covered it just ignore this. I think you would have better results by placing/gluing a .177 bb into the hollow end of the pellet. It may work it may not, its just what I thought about when I seen that the skirt had come off. I think it would help with accuracy too but again I don't know. Either way, thank you for all the trouble that you went through to make this video happen.

[@RyeOnHam]

I did try .22 caliber round balls behind the pellet. The problem with the .177 bb's was that they would be loose and either be right in front of the blank, right behind the pellet, or rolling one direction or the other. Not consistent. I did have a bit of success with the round balls if you watch that video. I do think I have a few more videos in me based on suggestions I'll probably try shot-loads as well. Might be a while, though. Lots of videos in the bag still to edit and publish. Thanks for watching!