/r/AntiWork Is Capitalism As Intended

[@ShortFatOtaku]

somme strim more yakuza tonight, be there in like an hour twitch.tv/gameboomers

[@johnseppethe2nd2]

Anti twitch action

[@zyncxec3658]

Hey to touch on the one of the last point it Its much more that the firms can exchange peanuts to illegal immigrants who need to work low skilled jobs to survive or be sent back, lowering the value of labour for the rest of the working class. Essentially firms taking advantage of human desperation and a will to survive but if it stops becoming illegal immigrants and( policy improves) adjust and the value of labour rises again e.g UK

[@darunealbane]

Since the dawn of mankind you had to work to eat

[@pillage_party_and_papacy]

In this video, based on what you have said, I believe Nebraska is a communist utopia. I believe this because we have a lot of small businesses that compete well, we have some of the lowest costing healthcare in the US, and we also have some of the best food pantries essentially meaning food is “free.” Nebraska by being a great capitalist state, is the best communist utopia. All we ask is that you work.

[@dirt_dert_durt]

In case you see this, the second and third lines of the video are duplicate takes

[@fearthehoneybadger]

Making employees quit during a labor shortage is about the dumbest thing an employer can do.

[@keggerous]

Yeah, employees are a resource and a lot of these managers/owners treat people like shit and expect to be able to keep them there forever like people wont just walk away.

[@rockytom5889]

@@keggerous I mean, even if you're an absolute sociopathic shit that sees people as only tools, you'd still want to keep the damn tools around in a time when everyone wants more tools. And the damn tools should also turn their brain on and leverage this fact.

[@Kandralla]

@@rockytom5889 Places that lowball employees also employ low skill managers. It's going to take a while to filter those out. That's one of the few good things that might be happening right now... shitty managers getting de-ranked to shitty workers. It's happening all up and down the chain too. There are a couple firms that you have certainly heard of that are struggling to remain functional due to their shitty, short sighted management continuing to act like it's an employer's market... and there's not much you can do to stem the tide once you build up a reputation among your professional employees of only promoting and giving raises to incompetent people who schmooze with the right management.

[@GeneralProfessor]

They're bluffing and hope no one will call them.

[@BQD_Central]

You do not believe how many unaware these people are.

[@werewolf873]

the idea that right wingers are automatically pro corp is silly. I'm about as conservative as it gets and i've never known a competent manager

[@vde1846]

I mean, this is precisely why a free market and a pluralistic society is so important. Just imagine your entire life being in the hands of a single petty and incompetent manager, who is chair of the local workers council.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

If anything, the free market is a liberal concept. It literally implies that ANYONE should be able to participate in the economy without restrictions or middlemen, let alone government restrictions dictated by corporations, which is the opposite of a free market. It's still a faulty ideology, because an unregulated market without any government intervention and driven exclusively by profit, supply, demand and competition is nothing more than a drug cartel.

[@weridplusho]

That's because of these idiot leftists, every enemy is on the right. They don't know nor care what the right actually believes. They don't believe the same thing as them, they don't identify as "left" or "democrat" and thus are the enemy... which the MSM and Uniparty decided to be the "right" or "republicans".

[@fatetestarossa2774]

@@vde1846 Good POINT

[@Micromation]

@@stigmaoftherose at the end of the day manager is there to make people do most work, in scheduled time for the lowest pay. He's not there to catter to your needs but to make fellatio on his boss while presenting how "he" achieved these great results in the last quarter with your blood, sweat and years. They don't promote decent workers because people with any sort of backbone would oppose half of nonsensical, stupid and whimsical decision from the higher ups who rarely if ever have even remote idea of how work on the front lines actually looks like. Over the last 30 years every single middle manager I've encountered was a yes-man to his boss while simultaneously had black belt in assertiveness towards people under him. The sad reality is your competence in the job pales in comparison to telling people what they want to hear and then scapegoat failure of a plan that didn't even have a faintest chance to work on paper to begin with...

[@thomasbonatti9341]

This is what Dave will be like when you finally tell him he's missed too many streams because of his 2,053rd hernia this year, and he quites. Then you will be Short Staffed Otaku.

[@777Looper]

Llol! (Literal laugh out loud, as all cool kids know.)

[@huggleton]

@@777Looper nah, llol is just Welsh for lol

[@theyankee7373]

Or Staff-less Fat Otaku

[@H000d4]

P

[@Beef3D]

My mom once told me about this time her and her colleagues where sick of being underpaid for doing backbreaking construction work involving building scenery pieces for studios and/or marketing firms and so forth which was under time pressure, and the uplifting part was that one of the vital workers who did industrial grade banner/billboard printing said to the boss "you either pay me more for this job that YOU know nobody else is as experienced at as me, or I'm leaving and other colleagues are sure to follow suit as the work pressure increases and your printing department falls in complete disarray." eventually the boss caved and agreed to pay him more to keep him around for a little longer.

[@jatelitherius9842]

@Ryan Alex he said 'one of the vital workers'. Also isn't there a set builders union? Was your mom a scab?

[@Tb0n3]

That's fine as long as you keep in mind you're not infinitely valuable. Sometimes you feel you're not fairly compensated while being paid an industry standard wage. Just because you hold the job or task hostage doesn't mean you'll have security after it's all said and done.

[@Reverandfatdave]

Holy shit that was a fucking disaster to read.

[@Scornfull]

That's how you're supposed to do it

[@Beef3D]

@Ryan Alex Sorry. I didn't know how to explain it otherwise. it isn't construction work in the traditional sense of like building homes.

[@TRECTADACTYL]

I'd rather put up with a hardass than these bizarre, passive aggressive bosses who treat their employees like children in need of discipline.

[@thedesensitizedsympathizer5307]

What do you mean?

[@TRECTADACTYL]

@@thedesensitizedsympathizer5307 Half of these bosses talk as if they're going to put naughty employees into the time out corner for speaking in a rude tone of voice. It's actually insufferable.

[@CrazyJabberwock]

@@TRECTADACTYL I've noticed many Bosses talk to employees like they are the parents of their employees, its an incredibly demeaning attitude and generally one that gives them internal licence to appeal to authority instead of merit.

[@Jonathan-pm2zf]

how many of those do you think are actually real though. i know where i work the supervisor isnt allowed to text us. they can call and ask us to come in but it is not binding, they can tell us we have to if they give at least 24 hours notice but as long as you dont have a lot of points built up there is no real consequence for saying no.

[@CrazyJabberwock]

@@Jonathan-pm2zf speaking from experience these are pretty plausible

[@carltonbauheimer]

That first text exchange really seems like a "and everyone clapped" scenario.

[@Skeloperch]

They all are. All of them are fake. It's super easy to fake them, and who the fuck texts their bosses?

[@userequaltoNull]

@@Skeloperch a lot of service jobs rely on text communication.

[@pompshuffle562]

I've worked at least 2 jobs where texting was part of communication

[@meteorwalkergg]

I argued with my boss TODAY via text

[@angrybellsprout]

@@Skeloperch calm down there boomer because some of us have had jobs in the last decade

[@jiggycalzone8585]

"Declaring a resource a human right doesnt make that resource infinite" Dev said that. Completely put all the 'off' feelings I had about socialism and socialists into perspective. Rights for some means slavery for others. Choice is true liberty

[@mistersharpe4375]

It's noticeable how often socialists will cry for the rights of factory workers, but are usually dead silent about farmers.

[@Ashigeru47]

Marxists claim that the State owns the means of production. Without workers, there is no production, meaning that they Are the means of production. So, Marxists are actually saying that the State owns the workers. We call that slavery. We can see it every where socialism and communism is used as an economic system. The State treats the people as slaves.

[@berserkasaurusrex4233]

@@mistersharpe4375 And farmers are inherently more important than factory workers. I can live without a poorly built television, but food is a real necessity. Probably why farmers tend to maintain some degree of capitalist economy even during hardcore communist regimes. No matter how obsessed with communism the dictator is, he still needs the farming industry to actually function half-way efficiently to avoid starving peasants overthrowing his government.

[@theangryholmesian4556]

Everybody is entitled to food, water, shelter, clothing, education, and healthcare. Period. No exceptions. Even if you genuinely believe these things shouldn't be free, everybody should at least have some way to access them taking into account all factors (age, disability, etc...)

[@theangryholmesian4556]

"Rights for some means slavery for others" only if you think rights are finite, have no empathy, and don't know what slavery is.

[@bfranciscop]

"This would not be a problem in an abundant communist society" Sorry, a what? My oxymoron detector exploded.

[@Pinned2Five]

I noticed no sources, references, numbers, or mentions of that time the world tried to feed Ethiopia, just one country, and that DIDN'T work.

[@kana22693]

Yeah, imagine willingly working a terrible job in a communist society in order for an abundance of something (e.g. almonds, soy, avocado) to exist. Why would you do that when you can't make a profit? They all envision themselves as the "commune" artist or psychologist, basically someone who just talks and others take care of.

[@sergueileonardoafonin7950]

They invision they could work on whatever they wanted and get paid for it. While in reality there would be a shortage of bread and they would work on a field for the rest of their lives. Or high up in the north on an oil rig.

[@AndragonLea]

@@Pinned2Five To be fair, much of that can be attributed to the top movers and shakers siphoning Ethiopian rice funds to finance their next Benz or gala. I think socialists have this delusion that greed, graft and embezzlement won't happen under their enlightened regime so all the rice money would actually become rice and reach its destination to feed the hungry. Obviously the fact that even most socialist countries for some reason end up with some guy with personal guards, mansions, private pools and limo drivers kind of contradicts that, but those weren't REAL socialism.

[@AndragonLea]

@@kana22693 The hilarious thing is that they're talking about that abundance like it just springs forth from the Earth. A natural spring tapped by evil capitalists hoarding it for themselves. We have an abundance because the majority of society is productive. We are this productive because craftsmen and businessmen were incentivized to find more efficient ways to produce things because more produce = more reward = better lifestyle. If you take the incentive to work smarter away, you're back to people slaving in the dirt to survive. If you take away the impetus to work (cash or the lack thereof depriving you of the many almost utopian conveniences we take for granted - even jobless people live in heated buildings with running electricity and water and can afford to feed, clothe and entertain themselves in most western nations), most people simply either won't do the necessary work that isn't sculpting tiddies out of clay for giggles or won't work as hard because there's no reward for straining harder than the next guy. Socialism leans very heavily on an utopian vision of what humanity is like at its best, while capitalism works with what humanity is right now. Yes, it's the carrot and the stick, but it's the carrot and the stick because it WORKS.

[@orlof507]

I thought individual workers had absolutely NO BARGAINING POWER, they can't just quit. I guess they can

[@johnseppethe2nd2]

"You don't actually have a choice corporations force you to work" "actually those thousands of other jobs don't count because errr.... because they aren't paying you £20 an hour for entry level work"

[@scitechian]

With the borders closed to cheap immigrant labor (not that that's 100% a bad thing in principle, though at the pre-Covid levels it certainly was) there's an opportunity for unskilled workers to assert themselves. If you let a valued employee quit and replace them with a cheaper hire, a shitty boss might say that's an acceptable trade. When there ARE no cheaper hires available, suddenly the equation has changed, and the complacently shitty bosses fall back on old habits rather than fighting to keep the valued employees happy, and wonder why they're hemorrhaging money.

[@hombreg1]

@@scitechian that would increase prices, though, unless management takes a pay cut, which they won't. That's basically why almost no American car companies build cars "in America".

[@AspiringDevil]

Yeah I love watching my Local Walmart struggle to keep employees while the businesses on mainstream are doing fine. But hey we have no choice but to work for corporations under capitalism right?

[@ZontarDow]

Given how often socialists end up supporting capitalism wholeheartedly, I actually think they have legitimately no idea what capitalism is and they keep coming back to it because of its innate superiority.

[@johnseppethe2nd2]

Socialists cant even stick to a definition of socialism, not surprised

[@MasterSwo]

Why does that surprise you?

[@1810jeff]

Well it seems a lot of people don't know what capitalism is. People keep acting like capitalism isn't a broad word but in actuality it can encompass drastically different systems from government restricted capitalism to free market capitalism. It's so annoying to see people blame capitalism for the decline of the west when none of this would be happening if the government wasn't so involved with the economy. Hell I've heard someone argue that capitalism didn't exist before the word was coined even though humans have been exchanging wealth aka capital since the dawn of civilization.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Socialists are just people who want to be the boss without the effort.

[@1810jeff]

@@Lobsterwithinternet or responsibility

[@johnseppethe2nd2]

I had the displeasure of debating an anti-work person, he tried to tell me that the vast majority of jobs only helped billionaires and tried to tell me profit was theft and he still claims to be a capitalist libertarian type

[@userequaltoNull]

He's a complete liar.

[@johnseppethe2nd2]

@Momo Readuth thankfully he hasn't

[@vde1846]

You should have asked him about loss. Am I exploiting a company I work for if they are operating at a loss? They can never seem to answer that...

[@johnseppethe2nd2]

@@vde1846 i might do

[@jamoecw]

and that is why i will never be a libertarian. i have also had conversations in which someone thought that the military and police should die rather than defend themselves because they signed a contract with the government.

[@OhRaez]

At this point, I feel these "fuck capitalism" people are just doing it for clout and don't actually know what they're talking about.

[@vde1846]

Many such cases

[@scitechian]

It's just a neo-religion, basically. They know capitalism will never get overthrown (at least not permanently, see Dengist China) but it gives them spiritual comfort to imagine that it just might.

[@snapchatsnacks3154]

Hasan straight up said Marxism can be summarizes as "getting paid more"

[@williamnicholson8133]

Yeah especially considering without capialism they would be living on a farm or mining bauxite or something.

[@scitechian]

@@williamnicholson8133 Imagine the look on all the socialists' faces when they're told to report to all the reopened coal mines and steel mills.

[@RaggedLands]

In a system of supply and demand, when work is short, the value of work (and therefore wages) goes up. Who would've thunk.

[@snapchatsnacks3154]

The labor market post covid isn't a free one though. The extra unemployment money provided by most governments during covid basically bribed people into not working. It is unreasonable to expect small employers to compete with the government who can either print money or tax money with impunity.

[@FC01]

@N-Gnoid TV or maybe is it that the government is fucking up the economy with more regulations and taxes?. Also the fact that welfare makes the value of work go down.

[@OriginalBongoliath]

@@FC01 Don't forget importing illegals to drive down wages.

[@lextacy2008]

@@snapchatsnacks3154 Funny how people only started to quit their jobs ONE FULL FUCKING YEAR after the pandemic insurance stopped. You have your timeline of events messed up. Supply and demand in action here would raise wages, and that is what we are seeing.

[@lextacy2008]

@@OriginalBongoliath You mean the tax payers? What about the immigrant tax dodging CEOs like Bezos and Musk?

[@magoichi75]

You’d be surprised how….predatory some managers or bosses are when it comes to having you work on your days off or unscheduled, sure plenty bosses are good sports of it but there are some that really don’t know when to take the no.

[@elgatochurro]

Specifically told mine I'll take all the hours I can get Worked the 2 days I got off this week, probably filling for someone. I'm not against it but I could've used the time off too prep for holidays... Just realizing that now lol

[@mrshmuga9]

All those places are “under-staffed” because they can’t keep people, or can’t get new ones because they pay low. Granted, I don’t think low-paying jobs are necessarily worth huge sums of money, but I’m sure more people would be willing to put up with some level of crap if they were paid better. Or at least you’d get more applicants. But even the giant conglomerates that make 100’s of millions are too cheap to hire a few more people.

[@Sasquatch-ff1pj]

This seems to be minimum wage or service sector work. Trades will ask. Will not dare try to force. AND..time and a half, double, or triple time. Holidays are automatically double time.

[@the98themperoroftheholybri33]

The Communists and Socialists who joined r/AntiWork haven't figured out "not working" isn't allowed in Socialism/Communism, you'd be thought of as the bourgeoisie

[@radfatdaddy4169]

The first problem they're going to run into is explaining to someone that having them work in the wheat fields is not ableism.

[@DeadFishFactory]

Unfortunately, most communists think they can lounge around and do whatever they want in a communist society. They will be able to tweet about their gender politics 24/7 and be paid for it. In reality, they will be sent to the fields or mines to toil away. If they don't meet their quota, they will be lined up against the wall and shot.

[@emalinedickinson7492]

I guarantee half of these, at least, are fake and/or very low level positions within the staff (Think barista at Starbucks). Most managers aren't texting you, they're calling you, then going back to doing their job, not fighting with you.

[@scienceface8884]

My thoughts exactly. I even worked for a small business owner who drunkenly called my desk and asked if someone could drive her home because she couldn't get ahold of a cab. She never once even tried to text me. Not ever.

[@BmanTheChamp]

I guess I'm an exception to the rule, though sometimes my manager does both if he cannot get a hold of me.

[@CuteAndFunnyFan]

Finding a good job requires a mix of 1. Social circles 2. Experience 3. Looks (really helps) Even if you are a new worker, most jobs nowadays pay far above minimum wage. I recommend starting as a part-timer.

[@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668]

I'm a NEET work incel, all those whoreporations will not hire me cause I'm ugly

[@noradseven]

Looks is mostly important in forward facing jobs like sales and customer service...which is unfortunately a lot of lower level starting jobs. That being said self grooming and dressing the part is very important.

[@eaglebearer]

Its also important for parents to encourage their kids to get a job once your old enough. The earlier you can build your resume, the better.

[@rockytom5889]

@@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668 Well, I've seen some pretty fugly engineers get jobs as machinists. Just make sure to play your cards right...

[@hombreg1]

@@BipolarAbusiveX they wouldn't. They'd hire me cuz Latinos are cheaper.

[@Eusong]

It's not a Canadian thing. There are great workplaces, and there are shitty ones in the US. Best place I've worked so far had the employee's rights and various laws in favor of workers posted in every break room so we knew our rights and they won't be violated.

[@Eusong]

@@stigmaoftherose Report them to the department of labor instead of complaining to the company

[@GiuseppeGaetanoSabatelli]

Most huge corporations like Walmart, Home Depot, etc. have been burned enough by class action lawsuits in the past that they always have pretty strict "no communicating off the clock", "no talking to employees in the break room" type policies and open door policies. They won't want people to unionize, so they try to give as much power back to the employee as possible. The ones who complain are usually the ones who actually deserve to be fired. lol. I notice it's usually the mid-range businesses, more than 100 employees but not a major corporation, that have the most issues.

[@brainrich1358]

Yeah. My current job will sometimes call us on our days off to come in due to being short staffed, though it is rare. When it does happen, we can decline to come in and they have to accept it.

[@Sound557]

Like the meme says: people confuse capitalism with growing up and having adult responsibilities

[@theangryholmesian4556]

And some people (right wingers) confuse "wanting to be treated like a human being" with "being lazy."

[@buddhapunch2486]

@@theangryholmesian4556 If you'd drop the commie crap and stick to the issue of how a bad boss treats people, you'd probably find a lot more support from them.

[@wrongthinker843]

@@theangryholmesian4556 whatever you say, mustache heiler

[@mrwednesdaynight]

@@theangryholmesian4556 "wanting to be treated like a human being" often translates to " I don't want to work but still want to get paid. " OK Zoomer.

[@SoulTransient]

@@theangryholmesian4556 youre just lazy

[@marvalice3455]

"a community should value a person enough that they shouldn't have to work to eat" why the hell would we do that? seriously, why should I value someone who refuses to work? not all love is unconditional. most relationships require reciprocation.

[@shua_the_great]

I would argue no love is unconditional, but eitherway the same point still applies.

[@marvalice3455]

@@shua_the_great that just depends on how you parse "unconditional love" but yeah, that is a tangent.

[@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756]

ikr? Like I'm not their slave or subordinate. I don't have to just give them things because they exist. I get that it comes from the bleeding heart "well they're human and shouldn't suffer like that" but like at least do something within your means before I give you charity.

[@marvalice3455]

@@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756 maybe I'm cruel, but I'm all "but why shouldn't you suffer like that? why do you deserve a better life then your food did?"

[@oggolbat7932]

Not even communists thought that lol

[@iii-ei5cv]

" For ordinary workers, quitting one’s job, missing a day’s work or being over 20 minutes late became criminal offenses, with mandatory prison sentences. " (about workers in the USSR under Stalin)

[@andrewryan1946]

Here’s the thing though: I would bet big money that more than half of the stuff on r/Antiwork is firmly in ‘Never Happened, Everyone Clapped’ land. It’s SUPER easy to fake these text conversations, which is why so many contain outlandishly unreasonable bosses playing directly into the subreddits perception. Like any place for stories on Reddit, Karma is king, and making this up is too easy when you get a sweet pile of upvotes for it.

[@MrRowntree27]

I'd like to say it's hard to believe people are sad enough to do things like that... but yeah, you're probably right

[@snapchatsnacks3154]

I actually post fake stuff on anti work because I know it will be received well and I can farm Karma.

[@Micromation]

You would think so until you experience at least few of those in your life. Even if these are manufactured and overexaggerated I've seen enough in my 30 years of professional experience to believe pretty much all of these without a second thought... I mean some businesses struggle to retain employees for a reason.

[@Zerpderp0]

That is true. But I will say that the Convo at 3:07 did somewhat happen to me, except I caved and went to work.

[@jedediahcoulbourne1791]

Never let the truth get in the way of a good yarn, fake or not good stories are good

[@puffer_frog]

Capitalism: 'I quit' Boss: Ok have a nice day Socialism: 'I quit' Comissar: *pulls out gun* Go to work or go to gulag

[@kingkazuma2239]

Basically. These chumps have no idea

[@wolfetteplays8894]

Good, collective labor is better than corporate labor.

[@g0stface23]

One thing I noticed as a boss and resonated in those reddit posts is there seems to be some obsession with needing the weekends off. Friday Saturday and Sunday are the most "called in sick days".

[@Eusong]

I currently work at an amusement park. NOBODY gets weekends off. EVER. I really don't mind tbh, all the stores I have to go to are closed on weekends anyway. Also if I want to go somewhere recreationally, it's way less busy on a week day so I enjoy myself way more.

[@GTADriver1]

Perhaps that's due to being used to the school system where people aren't in school on the weekends?

[@xenomorpher5458]

Maybe because in history past no one worked sunday and over the last eighty years workers productivity has gone up but not the compensation or benefits.

[@LinkTheHeroOfTime]

I work in overnight nursing (CNA, but studying to move up.) I actually prefer working weekends. They keep me out of the bar, and I can use the weekdays for appointments and working out.

[@SvendleBerries]

Most people have the weekends off. You get used to that idea thanks to school. I mean, its called the "weekEND" for a reason. Its a time to relax and recharge for the next week. And since most people get the same days off, thats when people choose to hang out together. Thats also when many restaurants and bars have specials going on, which makes the need to hang out on the weekend all the more meaningful, as everybody likes to save money. Why are you making it sound like a bad thing by calling it an "obsession", when its just people wanting to be with other people?

[@abrahamlincoln9758]

Being a manager myself, it's absolute hell these last few years walking the tightrope between being short staffed and trying to not overwork and over ask the staff. Below the rope is another quit. When it comes down to it, you need people. Patience keeps them from stressing, but some people take advantage and really don't care while the people who care and bust their butts see them getting away with things they would never do. What's the solution? To discipline the bad employee out the door and take away what little help the bring to the table, or let it slide JUST ONE MORE TIME and risk the rest of the staff buying into the bad employee's mantra or worse, good employees getting sick of working with bad people and quitting. People don't want to work. And we're not a business that can just close, we are support staff in a hospital. [sigh] Backnto work.

[@adamperdue3178]

I'm a shift supervisor (acting manager since I work 2nd shift and management has almost always gone home shortly after I arrived) and I have the exact same worries. Stuff HAS to get done, and we only have so many workers due to budget cuts and issues hiring people. But if you put too much pressure on too few workers, they'll get burned out and/or resent you. A lot of times I can solve the issue by busting my own ass harder (which raises overall productivity when they see their supervisor working hard, generally) but sometimes I'm too busy to put a dent in their workload so I have to put it on them. It always sucks, especially since I'm friends with a lot of them and hate making their lives suck, but also have to keep in mind the interests of the business if I want to keep MY job.

[@instantkarma1636]

Until you've been in the position it really is hard to understand, its the dunning krueger effect in action. I install fences and doing hard labor for $12-17hr seems like your getting shafted when your doing 2-3 5-10k jobs a wk, but once you do a job for yourself you see there really is a world of difference between the jobs your doing.

[@meteorwalkergg]

Commies: you know you're being exploited, right? Me: you know that I exploit my boss as well, right?

[@FC01]

In capitalism you exploit your boss

[@justsomeguy2825]

What socialists tend to forget about the workforce is the whole "employed at will" concept cuts both ways. True, an employer can fire you if you give nothing of value to the company, but you are also able to leave a Job if it doesn't serve your needs. This isn't true in all cases, some people need to work a shit Job because they can't find work elsewhere, but no Job can actually force you to work for them.

[@oldcowbb]

Whose gonna pay the bill after if I just quit, it works both way but its very not symmetrical

[@zanizone3617]

@Jason Clark yeah that's a fallacy. It assumes that scale is not an issue. It is why right wing pundits always personalize their rethoric. Individual employee vs individual entrepreneur is a much easier case to make in favor of the "risk taking" employer.

[@fakeorchestra4260]

@@zanizone3617 What is the alternative then? This is the closest it can get to fair. Perhaps you can improve it with worker rights, but going with a communist or a socialist system actually grows the disparity instead of lessening it.

[@KopperNeoman]

@Zani Zone That explains why the alt-left push policies that protect oligarchs and crush small businesses...? Actually, it does. Capitalism pisses off Communists because it WORKS. The workers don't want to become the Proletariat because capitalism treats them fairly.

[@kingkazuma2239]

@@oldcowbb you are duh

[@ninjaswordtothehead]

Protesting capitalism from an iPhone is the most head-up-your-own-ass thing that can probably exist.

[@slydoorkeeper4783]

That's why I love those "fuck capitalism" memes where the dude is wearing Supreme clothing, a fancy watch, drinking Starbucks, on their Apple computer and one their iPhone. Some of them have more, but you get the idea. Then those people will say, "well, I live in a capitalist society, therefore I have to be a member of it." As if people are forcing them to have all of that extremely fancy stuff. Heck, a few months ago I finally bought more pants because my old ones were ripping too much. And how long did I have the old ones? I believe about 8 ish years. I almost never buy anything outside of what is needed with some exception of a few treats like some candy or soda. Otherwise, I sometimes go months easily without buying anything new that I don't need, but just want.

[@wolfetteplays8894]

Better than doing it from an android with rice cake spyware.

[@walkingcontradiction223]

​@@wolfetteplays8894... Think you missed the point.

[@hiddendesire3076]

I had a union dog for a personnel manager, getting kickbacks from the dues to pocket. She hated the fact I actually read through my contract before taking the job and while she left to handle a call, I, as per my rights, edited my contract to include a statement that I cannot be forced to work on Sundays or any Holidays (Holy Days) and will only do so if compensated, in addition to a line that my pay couldn’t be slashed for whatever reason (since I felt she was a cheapskate). I tried informing her I edited the terms of the contract, but she cut me off and signed before putting the document away, handing me my uniform. A month later her lap dog John, an overweight slob who slacked off constantly and made my time there a living hell, tried forcing me to take his hours on Sunday, claiming seniority and that I have to, before faking my signature on the schedule change form while I was dealing with my locker. Sunday came and went. That Monday my boss tries bitching at me for not showing up, claiming I had a responsibility to cover John’s shift that I “agreed to”, holding up the forged signature to which I countered with my ID’s signature, before stating my contract forbids such. She tried yelling that it didn’t before realizing I mentioned once more the terms of the updated contract did list it. She pulls out the contract, reads the lines I added, and tried telling me that isn’t allowed. I took Business Law, I excelled in contract legality in that class, I knew what I had been practicing. She tries taking it to her higher up who states that it is valid as she agreed to the terms as an agent of the company. Backfired though since she made the rest of my time there hell. I quit a month later, having had my foot crushed on the job and being refused the chance to bandage up the foot, seek medical attention, or to go home.

[@hombreg1]

Should've sued them. It's prooooooobably unconstitutional to prevent a worker from seeking medical help after an accident. Could've had a very tasty settlement.

[@Tb0n3]

@@hombreg1 I think the word you're looking for is unlawful. Unconstitutional is a whole different kettle of fish.

[@OriginalBongoliath]

But, but, leftards and socialists tell me unions are wonderful and always protect the worker. You mean shitty unions and shitty people exist in unions as well who don't care about the worker either?

[@3869426384]

@@OriginalBongoliath Not to mention unions' historical connections to the mob.

[@hombreg1]

@@Tb0n3 well, the constitution of the US literally cites "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness". That "would" mean that a private entity preventing you from seeking medical help, which could result in a detriment to your capacity of living, would indeed be unconstitutional, which makes it quite unlawful. It's probably against a bunch of labor laws as well. Truly appalling.

[@markgel9510]

About that slavery thing there’s actually a socialist writer called George fitzhugh who defended slavery in socialist favor his book sociology of the south is interesting to say the least

[@bignickenergy3525]

I've never seen nor dealt with a single employer like any of the ones in that subreddit. Half the time I wonder if they're fake texts to cope with getting fired at his point. I can't fathom the lack of self awareness needed to be the worst like that.

[@jedediahcoulbourne1791]

I'm so confused by these people. It's slavery to work but yet others should be forced to provide things declared "human rights" like some slaves are okay then? That disconnect is why I could never vibe with em

[@AnimeFanFTW25]

Weird random shitty work story I have: I worked a job pushing shopping carts for several months this year. And one day, my workplace just... fired me. They never even told me I was officially fired. They refused to answer any of my phone calls, and I had to find out via a third party. The official reason: I was wearing earphone buds at work and was warned several times. Meanwhile, I asked beforehand if earbuds were allowed and they said yes, every single other worker also wears them, and I was only ever officially warned a single time. tldr when you look for work, find an employer who will respect you as a person. Being all anti-work about your job will get you nowhere lol

[@vde1846]

Imagine being like the bosses from "Office space" and just ghosting employees instead of firing them, insane.

[@AnimeFanFTW25]

@@vde1846 I know, right??? I was trying to ring them during a normal work day as well, so I had no clue what was happening. Kinda glad I decided to stay home to continue calling, instead of dressing up to go there, to waste my time lmao And then they had the gall to lie about what I did. It's crazy.

[@mrshmuga9]

I pushed carts for like, 2 weeks to make some extra money and it sucked. Can’t imagine doing it any longer than that. Might as well change your name tag to “Sisyphus” lol. I think they might say you can’t be wearing headphones, because it might distract you from hearing cars/people and possibly injure yourself or someone else. And if they allowed it they could be at fault because they allowed it. It is quite boring though if you don’t have some kind of thing to keep your mind occupied. I just hummed to myself. I hate earbuds and you can’t exactly hide over-ear headphones in your pocket, lol.

[@KnotaFed]

Generally speaking, people who say "you need to be a team player" wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

[@puzzLEGO]

it's ironic how r/antiwork tries to reinforce the worker's work ethics compared to the bosses but now that every post is someone quitting their job, pretty much does the opposite

[@LMENVS]

A lot of these seem like /r/thatHappened

[@JACCO20082012]

I used to be a supervisor in a life/safety position. Basic that means if I didn't do my job and make sure everything was staffed properly, people could literally die. As such, there was a "directed" clause in the employment and union contracts that allowed me to direct people onto shift if necessary to make sure staffing was correct and the employees understood and knew that. You know what I only had to do twice in 2 years? Direct someone. If I couldn't get it filled I would work it myself AND do my job. You know what I didn't do? Text people and say things like "I need" or "you have to". I ALWAYS asked and if it came down to direction then I made sure there was no other option anywhere and I hated it. These bosses are everything wrong with society in one person and I hope they not only had to work that shit themselves but that they got disciplined for forcing people to quit when things are already short staffed.

[@biostemm]

Perhaps someone can clarify this for me - do folks expect that every worker can somehow provide the necessary land, buildings, machines, etc, to produce goods, all on their own? Even if a bunch of workers got together to pool their resources, there are going to be some things that they need to obtain from others...

[@vde1846]

It's a lot of magical thinking from people who just have no clue how complex modern society actually is.

[@mistahsusan2650]

before it was necessary to go through years of formal education in order to gain any kind of skilled job/career, you would learn the trade of your father or mother. populations were more dispersed so local economies of small towns and villages where smithies, bakers, coopers, etc. were a necessary part of the economy and life in those communities. once mechanization, automation, and standardization shook things up and resulted in people breaking away from their local communities. they had to move to find work in the industrial towns and cities, what skills were still useful (shoemakers for instance became shoe-repairers) in the towns and cities were worth comparatively less, and the cost of living would have been much higher comparitively.

[@biostemm]

@@mistahsusan2650 But even if you wanted to start your own business apart from your parents or whomever you were doing an apprenticeship under, you would have to find a place to open that shop, other people to source your raw ingredients or materials from, where to get your tools, and so on - you couldn't do it all on your own...

[@0keo]

yeah that’s why the workers would just take over whatever workplace they’re at, that’s like communism 101 numnut

[@copiusgore3252]

@@biostemm You have to have wealthy family members to start a successful business otherwise you get swallowed up

[@Not_actually_a_commie]

When you go so far left that your perfect socialist society becomes Sparta or the Antebellum South

[@LordIsrafel]

Personally, I miss the Prebellum South.

[@nicholashodges201]

This sort of thing is the norm for service industry work in the US. And in many areas, particularly college towns, those crappy service jobs are *ALL* that's available. The bosses in those places are used to having desperate people who can't get a better job b/c there *aren't any*, so they're used to getting their way. Then in recent years the hiring of those bosses became based on everything BUT competency and you get a workforce ready to crack. Add a "worker's market" for jobs and a nation breaking entitlement package and yeah, you're gonna see a lot of walk offs, both justified & stupid

[@thegreatestfallout1794]

I've walked off all but one job working in customer service, that one being because the store was forced to shut down during the beginning of the covid lock downs. The industry is trash and full of worthless 'management'. A good tip for those in the industry, ask for your raise and apply to new jobs at the rate you want to be paid at same time. Don't get the raise? Get the job that you've applied for.

[@_Ekaros]

Also it is very likely that those places are managed and run by the people who once got treated crappy, so it is all they have seen or they did their time now everyone else has too. Usually the manager ends up being the oldest employee, that is the one person who kept taking the crap or had to. Now they continue just to give it back. Or then it is some distanced from reality who haven't gotten the point that they own the business others just work for them.

[@nicholashodges201]

@@_Ekaros Not where I used to live. Half the managers there can't legally get beer with the employees after work. They place more emphasis on being "in school" and where you sit on the progressive stack than experience or ability. It's to the point that an 18 yo taking underwater reverse macrame will get an open supervisory position with no work experience before the 10 eligible candidates that already work there because the student "has a future" & "needs to a break or two".

[@Chualland]

On the story of the worker wanting Thanksgiving off the Employee states the boss agreed. The boss is trying to deny the permission after the fact.

[@mrwednesdaynight]

Well, when the Boss agreed, the situation changed. Now they are stuck in the position of hire and train someone, probably in really short order, during a holiday, to keep this guy happy, go back on their word and ask them to work, or close the place for the holidays. Without knowing the nature of the business, I can't tell if there was a better solution than asking the person to work. For my business, everyone wants to go see Nana in Nantucket for Thanksgiving but also expect all the gas stations to be open. Then they bitch when it was only pay at the pump and every place was closed on the way to Nana's house. This sword cuts both ways. Sure, we can give everyone the day off for Thanksgiving but then don't bitch that you couldn't get a king can and pack of Marlboro during the Lions game because we were closed.

[@_Ekaros]

@@mrwednesdaynight And they would also complain about possible surcharges during these periods. Let's say reasonable 10-100$ extra per purchase, just so employer can pay the employees.

[@unncommonsense]

This is literally the market at work. For too long, wages have been suppressed because of an influx of illegal workers, and in America, both political parties glad to keep it that way.

[@OriginalBongoliath]

Those same illegal workers then buy up all the cheap housing and people wonder why people can't afford to own a home.

[@eddyalienstudio7227]

Kind of why I support Capitalism, it's really the only system that works despite having some flaws, it doesn't have as many flaws as Fascism and Communism

[@wtice4632]

Fascism and communism are essentially tge same thing just different colors

[@juliantheapostate8295]

@@t.k.5844 that's a Churchill quote

[@slydoorkeeper4783]

Most of the flaws that come from capitalism are from people in a few things. 1.) There being genuine dickheads that are in it for themselves and will try to get others to oblige by their will (this happens with every other system, not just capitalism). 2.) There are people who are ignorant about the goods or services that they seek, so they may not know any better (this could be willful ignorance, them just not wanting to learn). 3.) There are some people who are just lazy and want others to do everything for them, so they may want the powers that freedom could provide, but because they don't want the responsibilities that come with it, they would rather take the minimal route. Even if that puts them in economic hardship. 4.) Some people just want more than reasonable, again any system has this, I've seen socialists complain that we make too much stuff. That there are too many unnecessary jobs, that we throw away too much. But I'll see them buying all the new games, ordering off Amazon at least once a week, gets takeout, etc. There are more to it, but these are things that we have more control over. We only have so much control over the other aspects, but these are ones that we may have some degree of an influence over.

[@ethakis]

The concept of property rights extends to the individual. You own yourself and your labor. Nearly every problem that socialists point out was solved by property rights and individualism. Granted, we currently have issues with corporations consolidating so much market share that they become oligopolistic but that's not inherently a problem with capitalism, it is a problem of the barriers to entry for competition being raised so much that only the big fish get to play in the pond.

[@juliantheapostate8295]

And barriers to entry are often caused by the government with its regulations and favouritism

[@RobertMorgan]

This is why ALL crime is property crime. Murder, theft of my property (my life). Assault, theft of my well-being. G-Rape, trespassing on/in my property (my body).

[@lextacy2008]

@@juliantheapostate8295 buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuull SHIT

[@0keo]

and what system allowed for this oligopoly ? Capitalism and it’s own systems and contrivances, i’ve also seen a lot of ancaps and libertarians here and those ppl r even worse than the average capitalism supporter. 99% of you will never be rich business owners like you’re hoping.

[@henrylicious]

@@0keo No. The government did that. The 99 percent in capitalism live better lifestyles than those under socialism.

[@TheGuyWhoIsSitting]

These same people who you're describing around the 9:30 mark when you talk about what the sub is about now... they're the same people who talk about how much they hate their job and when I say "why not quit and find a new job?" they always look at me like I'm from another planet. I tell them they don't have to put up with it if they don't want to. But that never seems to be an option. I even suggest looking for a job while they're still working the old job, and nope. The terms are continue to be miserable because they don't seem to realize they can just quit at basically any time.

[@eagleofceaser6140]

In the USSR work is a duty and a matter of honor for every able-bodied citizen, in accordance with the principle: "He who does not work, neither shall he eat" (Constitution of The Soviet Union Article 12) These revolutionaries will be in for a shock if they get what they want. It's to the quarry with you comrade.

[@adrianalexandrov7730]

And the work was really mandatory there for able-bodied. That's why many Soviet era rock/punk musicians were working some low effort jobs like night guard.

[@FarelForever]

"Why do people have to work for food, when we have more than enough of it?" Me: See, I hate to break it to you, but that food......... is in itself a product of labor.

[@flyingsheep1539]

People dont even have to work, not like anything forces them, most attractive women could just find a rich man to marry, its just that 99% of people dont have the attributes to be able to never work a day

[@qchtohere8636]

Yeah, is not like food grows on trees... Seriously though, the "big issue" is the make-believe that people survival requires them to break their back daily, and the cynics that understand this is not the case while monopolizing (or straight out dismantling) any means of automation for profit...

[@chopperjoe1998]

@@qchtohere8636 Automation in and of itself requires maintenance and operation to function. You’re always going to need someone to keep the machines going. Sure, the work won’t be as backbreaking in the future, but it will still require work.

[@qchtohere8636]

@@chopperjoe1998 Granted, maintenance work will be needed from humans... Until it gets automated too. The point being, hard work is pointless when not for sustenance, and sustenance hardly require backbreaking labor.

[@chopperjoe1998]

@@qchtohere8636 I personally don’t think we’re even close to a world where everything can become automated, certainly not when it will all require large reserves of energy to run anyway. That being said, “hard work” is also fairly subjective. If one only defines hard work as intense physical labor, for instance, then there are entire swaths of office workers (bookkeepers, accountants, etc) who are in all retrospects, “lazy” in comparison to them. So the entire question of hard work becomes a garbled mess.

[@DangRenBo]

Basically the whole sub is hospitality, which managers are just promoted waiters and bartenders. Remember that.

[@nanutwd2175]

Abundant communist society? that's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one

[@jannbo4336]

Im a hardcore capitalist and i love this. People standing up for themself is all what capitalism is all abaout. The freedom to leave at will and to work as much as you want 2 days a week or 7.

[@Sorain1]

For it to work right, both sides need to know it's at will. You're free to say 'screw this' and so is management to say 'screw you'. So long as both sides are aware, they'll try to find a middle ground both can live with.

[@bUwUmer1260]

It is really, really hard for people to *actually* understand supply and demand when it comes to labor.

[@GhostOfSnuffles]

When my boss gives me grief i don't argue with them, i go and fill out applications to other places. I let my new perspective employer and my current one argue over who gets to keep me the next day. I have 15 years where i work (more then all the upper staff there combined), I've missed only 5 days of work in that 15 years, i can do almost every job where i work to the point I'm the one that gets stuck teaching my new bosses how to do theirs, and I'm the only person outside of maintenance even allowed to touch the inside of some of the core equipment needed to run the place, I'm way past arguing with them about anything.. even the simplest of things. All I've learned over the years is that the only thing you get for hard work and dedication these days is more work for the same pay.

[@Njerve1]

I think it's about responsibility, and the expectation of it. Bosses have more responsibility to keep the show going than the guys and gals on the floor. In rough times (i.e, somebody quit, how do we fill?) Some bosses choose to squeeze the crew to make ends meet, and to see who steps up. Ideally, the people who are willing to step up in those situations gets rewarded by the company. Not just by salary, but with respect and future prospects. A company might even want that squeeze sometimes, to build a better core group of workers. That said, asshole bosses sure do exist. And sometimes, there is no compensation to stepping up, and taking responsibility. You are just getting exploited.

[@mrshmuga9]

Or there’s the inverse effect. Because you’re willing to step up during those situations, they *won’t* promote you so they can always have you when that happens again.

[@saisameer8771]

@@mrshmuga9 But if you do step up, you are valuable enoug to keep around, which gives you more of a bargaining power.

[@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756]

@@mrshmuga9 pretty much what I've seen in my work life. It's the ones who won't step up until they get something that climb the ladder. The "were a family mentality" just gets you used by the people who don't think like that.

[@gagec6390]

@@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756 Anecdotes are a hell of a drug. I’ve experienced the exact opposite. I’m the step up guy, and I’ve been moved to preferable positions and treated with more respect and value at my last 3 jobs because of it.

[@wolflinkin]

Majority of managers do not know how to manage people. They are usually promoted on their technical knowledge, very rarely on their people management skills.

[@dogofwar6769]

When I was in high school way back in 1999 I had a job working at a 'K-Mart' on top of the farm work I was doing for my family. The week before Christmas I managed to catch double pneumonia with a fever so bad I was hallucinating at work. All three of the managers were calling me daily trying to get me to come to work even while I was in hospital. I didn't get better until News year, for my 'sins' I was laid off for 'unacceptable job performance'. I'm 40 now and it's the only job I ever got fired form.

[@drdeesnutts48]

The best part of that first thing was where everyone clapped.

[@Dogmelter42]

I've had shitty bosses before but uhhh... That takes the cake.

[@Micromation]

@gene costa on one hand yea but on the other hand, reality is often stranger than fiction, because fiction at least makes an attempt at making sense for the suspension of disbelief... I'm keen to believe all of these are true somewhere, even if guy who made them up didn't experience any of it. I've seen enough shit in 30 years working all sort of jobs in 5 different countries in Europe...

[@danieldorn2927]

I am confused about that section about Marx getting something right. So the theory of alienation talks about how if a worker is not working for himself but for others he experiences an alienation from his own labor, from his own ownership. But when you look at the countries who go the route of marxism, it is always about taking away property from those who have property (which they go through their own work and hardship) and working for the state, or society. Doesnt anyone else find that kinda contradictory? If you cant have private property, you do not own your own labor and time.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

yes that is where it falls apart

[@Personaless]

And to top that off, I believe it was in the foundational texts of Critical Theory, Capitalism trying to alleviate alienation is appropriation and detracts from frustration that can start a Marxist revolution.

[@factandsuspicionpodcast2727]

The largest problem facing those who accept a positive view of liberty and conflate wage labor with slavery is that the overwhelming majority of wage laborers don't feel like slaves, regardless of how leftists define the term. The abolition movement had real weight not because blacks in America were simply defined as slaves but because they felt enslaved. This is unlikely to ever be the case where the average worker is concerned.

[@valdnorc9xydr957]

I used to like going on that sub as it often talked about alternatives from dull office or minimum wage work. Then it became communist and even when I have to defend work, I kept getting called a boot licker lol.

[@ghostofrecon1]

So I have experienced this kind of thing exactly once. The problem in my case was a manager who was extremely entitled. Marx’ theory is NECESSARILY based on the labor theory of value. I own my own business and i also have a regular job. (I’m a software engineer) The part that Marx and his followers neglect is that no matter if you own a business or not the consumer is the boss. You trade goods or services for money which you value more than the value you place on those goods or services. I value the money that I get more than the labor that I put into writing code. Conversely, the customer or business is trading money for a product that they value more than that money. The labor theory of value is bullshit.

[@purplepotatoes9255]

Whether the value of the product is subjective or not doesn't fundamentally change the argument behind labour theory of value.

[@chopperjoe1998]

@@purplepotatoes9255 Ok, please explain.

[@purplepotatoes9255]

@@chopperjoe1998 if a customer values your product at x dollars, and another at y, the value is still created via the work that was put into it. Just cause the value varies doesn't mean the value wasn't created by the work put in.

[@chopperjoe1998]

@@purplepotatoes9255 Granted, but the value isn’t just the work “put into it” either. At least, it isn’t one-sided. It’s the material, the management of said material, the transportation and advertising/selling of the product itself (after all, the “value” you put into making it is meaningless if you cannot sell it). All creates value because such things are costly. In fact, value is in many ways created by expense more than it is created by the customer. And yes, physical labor in creation of product is one of those expenses. But it is not the ONLY one. ( Of course, all of this varies GREATLY, from the contract worker to the sole proprietor to the manager or line worker in a C-Corporation, to the transportation driver. Not to mention when you start getting advanced automation involved.

[@purplepotatoes9255]

@@chopperjoe1998 the materials wealth is created by labor too, which someone else pays for to add more value too. Cobalt already has value, granted, before it becomes electronics. That value comes from the person who mined it out of the ground and the person who processed it, then the person who transported it. And I agree that physical labor isn't the only labor that creates value. Management of materials is labor, keeping track of materials so that customers can be assured they will obtain their product, while not creating anything persay, is still labor.

[@adamaccountname]

They don't seem to make the connection, there's an abundance because we're forced to work

[@nelsoj11]

The first half of this video makes me realize how great I had back as an underemployed landscape. If the owner needed guys to work on the weekend he asked for volunteers and there was an unsaid agreement that there’d be $100 cash for who showed up. He’d also give $100 to guys who did great work at the end of a difficult job. I think that behavior really (and literally) pays off. During the recession one of the richest families in town decided to “redesign” their whole yard twice in a summer, making sure there was enough work so that my boss was able to stay in business until things picked back up.

[@daishi0001]

Even in feudal era a land owner couldn't threaten his serfs with death.

[@blizzardthefox]

Never had a boss who tried to guilt trip me like that, luckily. I've definitely been texted/called to see if I could come in short notice, but I've never gotten told that it was my job to come in when I wasn't scheduled.

[@BQD_Central]

This all depends on the supervisor and the planning capability of middle and upper management (which is at best mediocre in most cases) I've seen quite a lot of these stories, more on the "management is incompetent" side of things and trying to protect my colleagues from additional work.

[@BQD_Central]

@gene costa probably, but i guarantee you that things LIKE these happen regularly .

[@trxxblx-wxs-hxrx]

When you work for something local/small service business, youd be surprised. Not that it was as aggressive, but I've seen an old coworker show me a text between the management and him and it management can get ugly. That's what happens when certain people that feel more superior will look down on you as a lesser and more worker

[@SurrealKeenan]

Hell yeah! The reason why I'm on the right isn't because I think people who run establishments should get their way all the time, it's because I think people should be able to have options. If you don't like working for your current employer, you should be able to quit and find another new job quickly, or create your own place of employment and more often than not, unions and government overreach gets in the way.

[@DavidWalker1987]

Had a convo with someone about how their employment is a negotiation/agreement. It was a novel concept to them. You do A in order to get B. Your employer comes along and says do C and you'll continue to get B...thats a demand/threat. The acceptence of a demand/threat w/out any negotiation whatsoever ... only ever leads to more demands. (Think 2 weeks to flatten the curve through to show me your vaccine papers.) As Marcus Aurelius said "Nothing happens to anybody which he is not fitted by nature to bear." So you either reach a point where you grow a pair and say no - or you accept endless subservience.

[@valkaerie8715]

"We're going to abolish money, and instead we're going to have worker points that you earn from your job that you can exchange for goods and services"

[@novamagician2425]

Working at a nail salon, I've met a lot of people who do not want the responsibility that comes with freedom, they want you to make a choice for them and if it comes out wrong they would place all the blame on you

[@ZeoGamingTGT]

So just some food for thought I know both the left and the right don't fit neatly into a box but from my personal experience any time I've had a boss who leans right I've never had these kinds of issues. However when I've had a boss who leans left I have had those issues and the end result is me and other quiting.

[@superequinox4185]

leftists be like "now that we have abundance, we should go all in on collectivization" but like where did that abundance come from? how is it maintained? would love to hear their explanation of that, unless they're truly maintaining a willing ignorance of how wealth works

[@Micromation]

If in doubt slavery is the answer to anything. We may be all patting each other on the back for job well done but at the end of the day we can afford most stuff that we own purely because some poor schmuck somewhere in 3rd world is working 12h a day, 8 days a week for equivalent of a slice of stale bread and half glass of water... I'm sure all leftist have been at least fantasising of labour camps would such necessity arrives - after all they have to somehow deal with those pesky anti-revolutionaries but gasing them would be bad optics... At the end of the day, for someone to profit and prosper, someone somewhere HAS to be exploited.

[@superequinox4185]

@@Micromation thassa spicy-a-meataball!

[@juliantheapostate8295]

@@Micromation personal wealth has rocketed in developing countries is the last 50 years. Especially the last 20. Except the socialist ones of course

[@0keo]

define what “abundance” and “collectivization” are

[@WoWisdeadtome]

I'm sure that this is one of those idiots that thinks my job isn't real. I work in grocery supply chain, these people have NO idea how much work is involved in keeping stores stocked. If you stop paying people like me and we all walk off the job you'll miss a meal about 48 hours later and I don't know where your next one is coming from. Literally thousands of workers round the clock, every day, just to move it all. Nevermind growing and harvesting it. It's all magic, I guess.

[@thomaslacroix6011]

Capitalism is working as intended. There is an argument to be made that current worker-employer relations aren't good and lead to a unproductive standoff between employers and workers because if the employer gave their employees basic respect and fair evaluation of their skills, society could be more productive, but it's a relatively self-correcting problem

[@dadopacman1458]

It seemed pretty obvious to me that most if not all of those chat screens were fake

[@Bloodgulchblue]

I swear this is ridiculous, I've had some bad managers and bosses but these are nuts, reminds me of the last boss I had except the exact opposite, he scheduled me on time I had requested off and he agreed to "I'm sorry my mistake, I'll handle it" he needed me to come in on my day off and I didnt wanna work and tell him I can't "Thanks, sorry to bother you". Hell one time I was late because I couldnt find my keys and got in an argument with the manager who called the boss and the boss told the manager to apologize for starting an argument with me over a reasonable excuse for being late. People who hate an entire group for whatever reason have simply delt with bad people, there's a lot of them but there's a lot of good people to

[@-cams.]

How's that boss nowadays? Sounds like a nice guy, would love to have a drink with him!

[@Bloodgulchblue]

@@-cams. No idea actually, last time I talked to him was when I told him I was quitting to go back and finish school, man told me to let him know if I ever needed work

[@NightOfTheLiving8bit]

You need to do an updated video on the Fox News interview that just happened, it’s hilarious and beyond stereotypical. Also, I can’t help but feel very skeptical at the majority of these texts. They’re a bit ‘too’ perfect. And both people seem to text, etc - almost identically. Finally, I’m tired of hearing people whine about having to work more days, etc. I pull 12 day periods, willingly. And I know people that work all day, then go to work in the evening. Not because they want to, but because they have to in order to support their families.

[@gracefulPainter]

That quote by Marx is incredibly ironic, lol. His whole shtick is that you don't own your own labor, lol

[@wtice4632]

Should we be surprised? Marx never did one day of real work in his life and was a freeloader and drain on his family and friends. Doomed his family to poverty because he was too stupid, arrogant, and lazy to provide for them.

[@universeruler1]

@N-Gnoid TV No bread.

[@juliantheapostate8295]

@N-Gnoid TV most of them were not. Is it a communist thing to disprove your own points?

[@wtice4632]

@N-Gnoid TV you realize capitalism is not defined as a "9-5 job" right? Theres all sorts of jobs with alll sorts of schedules. But getting high in moms basement till your 40 is really sticking it to the man right?

[@wtice4632]

@N-Gnoid TV lol do you think your frreloader ass is one of them? You contribute nothing. There is honor, nobility and pride in labor. But a waste like yourself wouldnt know that.

[@warrioroflight6872]

I have yet to see someone from a Socialist country who said it was actually nice to live there.

[@justinwhite2725]

There's usually a very short golden era. A few years ago people were citing Cuba as an example of working socialism. Now people are seeking refugee status.

[@bolo2393]

Working in restaurants I learned early that if you want your day off you have to either totally ignore your phone or start drinking when you wake up. Great for health right.

[@King_Nex]

1:37 "who will definitely land on his feet" That sounds painful, considering the guy's broken foot.

[@matthewacuren]

She (the woman at around 12min) doesn't seem to understand that the only reason we have an abondance is because capitalism gets people to work and innovate, nor that our current "abondance" is very tenuous and fragile. All it takes to wipe it out is one or two unforeseen events, such a crop failure, a war (even a smallish one like in Ukrainse), a petroleum shock (OPEC in 1974), or a relatively benine pandemic. One would think that the famines in the USSR or after the Great Leap Forward might have informed her a little. When it comes to food, most of the planet is only 6 months to year from actual starvation, on a good year.

[@ErgortanguperPolice]

Me working isn’t going to make you taller is what I’d tell the one who said they were short.

[@fduranthesee]

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[@camerongunn7906]

People don't quit jobs, they quit bosses.

[@dfmrcv862]

When I had to teach history to high school kids last year, my boss was incredibly polite and understanding. Yeah, there were the occasional issue that would pop up. One time my 11th grade class got mad at me for saying America "wasn't founded on racism" and complained to her. She basically just told me not to bring up the topic... problem was the book brought it up, so she then told me not to contradict the book. That said, when I couldn't make the trip to the school, I could just call her and excuse myself and teach from home. Still got paid. One day I actually drove there only to get a message the power was out in that part of the state, so we had to try and teach from home. I had to drive an hour back and barely got home on time to give my classes, but she understood and I didn't get in any trouble. I even had issues understanding some of the more menial parts of the job and she was really helpful. Overall, I know bad bosses exist, but I hate it when people suggest they're the norm.

[@dfmrcv862]

@@stigmaoftherose ...it was a private school, but it used the state curriculum. But yeah, basically. It had a fair bit of incorrect "facts" about the US. The one that actually pissed me off was that it claimed Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address was a "plea to Europe so Europe didn't intervene in the Civil War"... Cause, okay, I get pushing the "Columbus committed genocide and was actually a terrible person" line. Many historians more or less agree with that. I get talking about racism in the US. It's still a topic of hot discussion. I get talking about the bads of America... but how the HELL do you take what is arguably the most profound speech given by an American president and simplify it as "oh, he was just begging Europe's powers to leave the US alone", I mean... WHAT???? It also basically presented Lincoln as only wanting to preserve the Union, left out all his anti-slavery speeches... oh, and when talking about World War 2 from America's perspective, it dedicated most of the chapter to how women got jobs and then were "betrayed" to go back into the home after the war... I don't know if "Edusystem" (the online curriculum I used that year) is still being used there, but I sincerely hope not. Cause that was just US history and the students there were mad at me for being pro-US (i taught in Puerto Rico).

[@kazineverwind5267]

@@dfmrcv862 Lol, that first part is some Confederacy cope. I'm from Dixie, and even I know that Europe wouldn't touch the Civil War with a 20 foot pole. Lincoln was all about ending slavery, one of his generals was the "preserve the union" guy.

[@dfmrcv862]

@@kazineverwind5267 Yeah, that might be it. Major Black figures of the era like Frederick Douglass and Harriet Tubman got less mention than Lincoln, and the book seemed to be trying to balance its "America bad" narrative with "but confederacy also bad" narrative.

[@KopperNeoman]

@KaziNeverWind The Confeds did get some nonmilitary support from Britain (by virtue of never having invaded British land, unlike the Union) Although given the furious British anti-slavery crusade at the time, the Confederates would have been left no option but to emancipate their slaves or face another war with Canada if they HAD won.

[@jasonglebe3235]

I don't buy the "food is a human right" argument anyways. The same people told us health care is a human right and now they're telling us that we should withhold health care if you haven't gotten El jabbo.

[@GeorgeCowsert]

More economics classes need to be taught at younger ages, especially regarding scale. The reason so many bad businesses exist is solely due to how utterly massive they are, meaning it becomes difficult for the market to correct bad business practices, leaving the resentment and incompetence to just build up to a breaking point. Most fast food chains, for example, have this problem. They have shitty bosses, shitty work environments, and have to deal with disproportionately worse customers than other places. Unfortunately, the general public usually lacks the empathy or the time to consider whether or not a chain deserves their business. That just leaves the workers to find alternatives or make their own, which takes time. Every moment not spent grinding for a paycheck means less preparedness for rogue medical bills or rent to bite you out of nowhere, and inflation just makes that problem exponentially worse. Saving up the money to create competition literally takes a lifetime. That is the problem with scale.

[@HobbitJack1]

I say this a bunch. If economics courses were more commonly offered (I don't want to say mandatory but that wouldn't hurt) we'd have a much better society.

[@Haru-spicy]

"You can't bargain properly unless you can tell your opposition to go to hell."

[@thexdatabase]

Ironically, these bad bosses would prosper under socialism

[@apreviousseagle836]

This exact same thing happened to me on Sept, lol. They found someone but my job is a complex IT role. It will take them a year to train the new person to do even half of what I was doing. Hell I'm tempted to name the company, but that would probably not be a wise idea for me.

[@iii-ei5cv]

Big IT company?

[@apreviousseagle836]

@@iii-ei5cv Oh yeah.

[@harleymitchelly5542]

This is why I love treating these things literally because it absolutely destroys most Marxist arguments. "You have to work for the Borgeois! Wage slavery is real!" OK. I run my own business. I am not rich, but I'm doing decently enough between profits and good money management. "B-but!..." I don't work for anyone. I am no wage slave. I have no chains with which you can pull me around. They are much like the black-pillers I see. For a bunch of people who are so claiming to be revolutionary and liberated, they pay their respective jackboots so many compliments when it comes to how good they are at oppressing people.

[@3869426384]

"Anyone who doesn't pay a living wage shouldn't be in business, including small businesses!" "So you want to give even more power to the big companies you hate, AND you want to put countless people out of work?"

[@0keo]

i don’t think anybody serious on the left cares abt some small business or mom and pop shop paying lower wages, we want local business to thrive, and further than that complete systemic change, systemic change in the profit incentive over human needs, human needs being, food, water, housing and healthcare (mental and physical).

[@iii-ei5cv]

@@0keo "i don’t think anybody serious on the left cares abt some small business or mom and pop shop paying lower wages" Why? How is it better for workers to receive less money just because they happen to work for a small business? I've worked for more than a few small-business owners who were good people, I know they personally didn't want to screw me over, and yet simply could not consistently generate enough revenue in order to pay a competitive wage.

[@LoganLS0]

"We have such a great abundance and we still force people to work." That's why we have an abundance.

[@crestofhonor2349]

I’ve seen this happen with so many subs on Reddit where when they’re small, the groups are great but once they go mainstream they immediately go downhill in quality as the people joining don’t truly understand what the sub was about

[@zeo5527]

Wondering how many texts people have to read from this subreddit until they realize 99% of them are fake

[@samual8299]

I'm a free enterprise enjoyer to the bone. I love r/antiwork. People there have so many genuine grievances. And I think we all win when they are given the confidence to stand up to shitty bosses. A necessary parts of free markets is free labor. Good on them for telling their crooked bosses to get fucked

[@wolfsden6479]

The irony most of the time the actual owners aren't the ones that are like this its the middle managers.

[@MegaSqueebles]

the 'we have tons of resource X, if we just share, no one will have to work' argument makes zero sense to me. Where do such people think resource come from? do they thing that food, lumber, iphones etc. just spawn in every turn or something?

[@artski09]

but the reason we have tons of resource is because we have to work for them the iron isn't going to dig itself

[@Jfunkey]

r/AntiWork just got nuked.

[@bbdanny]

i think naming the sub "r/antiwork" was a really bad idea. just from the name i assumed it had always how it is today. it's like having a alternate history sub reddit, but then having it be named some nazi bs. not a wise decision

[@DJBSharpMusic]

I've never seen someone use "Eat my ass" as a way to say "I quit", but I actually approve. 🤣

[@TheRisky9]

This was the free market theory that Milton Friedman talked about. That if we had a free market, where businesses can be easily established, a lot of workers would have the ability to tell their bosses to go to hell. And you need to be able to do that. That's what I call the right to unionize, which is very different than unions themselves. If a bunch of waiters find out that their boss is stealing their tips, and they all collectively agree that during a dinner rush on the busiest day of the week, they'll all walk off the job, that's an exercise of their right to unionize. They are not being jerks for doing that. Because the patreons of that establishment, also have the ability to go to another establishment for their dinner. What happens is a lot of people look at Upton Sinclairs book the Jungle and think that's how capitalism works. They fail to see all the nuances in the book that defeats Sinclar's own arguments.