Should Nick Van Owen Have Been The Villain In The Lost World: Jurassic Park?

Roland The Headless Thompson Gunner Song: • Video
The Lost World's main conflict takes place on Isla Sorna and is between two separate teams who arrive on the island to do vastly different things. On one corner we
have the gatherer side, who's main purpose is to obtain a complete photo record of the living dinosaurs to be shown to the public in order to organize the island into
a biological preserve and keep Hammond's animals and the world's human population safe from any future altercations. The Hunter side is a group composed of big game
hunters themselves but also various mercenaries and the odd paleontologist. There mission is to capture the dinosaurs and bring them back to a theme park already
constructed in San Diego, in order to bail InGen out of their debts from Jurassic Park and save the company from going under.
Now some detractors of the second Jurassic Park film have brought up their argument that the film should have had Nick Van Owen to be the one character portrayed as
a villain, due to his actions taken against the Hunter group which got many of them defeated or injured. This particular discussion won't be brought up only for this
singular video and will be a point I go into further detail in a video I've been scripting for a while now. The Critiquing Criticisms video for The Lost World is
going to happen and this is going to be an interesting part of it.
This is a video on Film Criticism towards The Lost World: Jurassic Park Review and deals with The Lost World Roland Tembo which could also be spelled as The Lost World Jurassic Park Roland Tembo along with The Lost World Dieter or The Lost World Dieter Stark because of all of The Lost World Clip that I used for my video. Now my illiteracy will reach a new level by typing The Lost World Vince Vaughn and Jeff Goldblum Jurassic World or even The Lost World Burke you know! Goodness there should be Tiger Stripe Raptors along with the Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom Dinosaurs and Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom Nick Van Owen should show up along with The Lost World Tyrannosaurus from Jurassic Park 2 because thats a Jurassic World Chaos Theory I'd love to see! Finally I shall drop InGen Site B and T.rex for my final keywords. A little piece of my soul is destroyed every time I type these ridiculous descriptions in an effort to rank high in the search...but it MUST BE DONE.

[@dryboneskirby]

Never forget Eddie Carr was the real hero of the movie

[@KlaytonFioriti]

GONE BUT NEVER FORGOTTEN

[@sugarsammy7209]

Eddie was my favorite character and he sadly got shit on(or in the non-metaphorical sense, Shit out) way before what his character deserved. But at least it showed his true convictions as a good person, trying desperately to save his comrade's lives at his own expense.

[@joetyler5816]

If anyone reading this thinks Eddie's death in the movie was brutal, read the book.

[@dryboneskirby]

Sugar Sammy There are two Tyrannosaurs next to him and he doesn't jump out of the car or try to run, instead he presses harder on the engine to try and save his friends.

[@kaitlynbeaver1818]

I felt especially bad when Eddie died in the book.

[@thomaskang6562]

Some of the worse things imaginable, have been done with the best intentions.

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Sad but true

[@kittyblackk9297]

Is that a reference to Jurassic Park 3's plot? >:)

[@CedricDelany]

I might be biased because I loved that movie when I was a kid, but can we just stop kicking a dinosaur that's already on the floor and covering its face with his tiny arms? :D we've bashed JP3 enough, me says :D

[@thomaskang6562]

Not actually bashing JP3 myself, I love the movie even though it doesn't stand up as tall when critiquing. That's why I used my favorite quote from the movie here, Nick Van Owen did a lot of harm trying to do good.

[@CedricDelany]

Thomas Kang oh I 100% agree man, thay quote is on point.

[@irondwarf66]

When I was in the Army we were constantly reminded and warned about 2nd and 3rd order effects. People like the real Peta and green peace never consider the 2nd and 3rd order effects. Van Owens actions in the camp were fairly typical and given his objectives at the time understandable. However, when the groups trying to survive and Roland may have been able to save them Van Owens actions there aren't forgivable.

[@magmat0585]

Yep. The unloading of the gun in an emergency situation where Roland would only be using it to defend himself or others (they weren't going hunting at that point) could be seen as setting Roland up to get killed. And if this was the real world, Van Owen would be legally responsible for anyone who died as a result of his actions, ie pretty much everyone but Eddie.

[@TheShadowwarrior80]

@@magmat0585 even Eddie is Van Owen's fault.

[@other-terrestriallifeform1851]

truth bomb!

[@BikeEdward]

Eco terrisiot villain.

[@isaac-9244]

Pete postlethwaite didnt really pass away. He just went back to sorna to collect his fee. This right here is a quality video.

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Nice haha! Glad you enjoyed!

[@MoskHotel]

Pete’s now living in his private resort in one of the Costa Rican islands.

[@thedeathreaperofficial8079]

Nick is an accidental villain. His actions, which had good intentions, just had bad consequences.

[@thedeathreaperofficial8079]

Kind of like Billy Brennan and the Kirbys in JPlll

[@MrChickennugget360]

he is being set up as a hero by the movie but is a piece of shit.

[@MichaelCasanovaMusic]

I really fail to see how he's set up to be a hero/is a piece of shit. I've never considered him a "hero" character. If anything his motives are more noble and less selfish than Roland's. Nick took the job because he and Hammond had the same idea to keep the dinosaurs safe from the public and the public safe from the dinosaurs. Roland only took the job so he had the chance to hunt a Tyrannosaurus and plaster it's head on his wall to satisfy his own ego.

[@Nathan-yw4yj]

Deathcoldan what does politics have to do with a Jurassic Park video 🙄

[@Spider-Too-Too]

This is why JP2 is so dark. When kids first getting to love and cheer this hero with good deed, but after the Journey, they will look at Owen and said, WTF did he do?

[@avicusdusang1477]

I never understood why Rolland just didn’t bring more bullets. What if he missed the first shot? He’s been in a lot of big game hunts in hostile environments.

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Well the double barrel is for firing the second shot in case he missed his first...but you are right. After his first couple of shots he really should have had extras. My only idea is that Ajay had everything with him and he was pulled away by the other hunters...but again thats not factual so theres no real explanation.

[@ReonMagnum]

Well, Ajay is Roland's hunting guide and guides are usually tasked with carrying the PH's (professional hunter) weapons and ammunition. So it is possible that Ajay had additional .600 Nitro Express rounds on his person, and was supposed to hand them to Roland when he needed to reload. But of course the two are separated due to the T-Rexes and Ajay faces his death via Velociraptor.

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Nick did find Ajay's bag in the middle of the grass during that chase so it could make sense somewhere down the rabbit hole that the bag was where the other rounds were carried.

[@kthemaster1999]

He only needs one shot

[@krokodil5659]

Could have been thrill seeking, sort of like climbing that mountain so to speak.

[@Naraga033]

I feel like you are glossing over some very important facts here. First of all, by freeing the dinosaurs in the camp van Owen consciously puts the hunters in a situation were many of them could die, being trampled by the dinosaurs or die in any of the explosions in the camp in addition to getting them stuck on the island forcing them to go on a dangerous journey to look for a working radio (in Velociraptor territory). The movie doesn't show any of the hunters being hurt at the camp, however that by itself (if no one got hurt offscreen) is a complete miracle as realistically many of them would have gotten injured and killed. Second off, irregardless of the actual results of the emptying of the gun, Nick knew that (if everything went to plan) Roland would seek a confrontation with the T-rexes, deliberately setting him up without a working gun. A situation that would most likely get Roland killed. Even if Rolan sought a stealth kill, the clicking of the gun would alert the Rex to his presence and most likely result in him getting killed. So on two separate instances, van Owen deliberately made choices that he knew would get people killed.

[@nathanielrourke8886]

I agree with this argument.

[@monsterhanna6691]

Firstly, the dinosaurs were only released because Nick-like everyone else on his team-did NOT want them to be part of another park, and we all know how that ended up. Secondly, considering the fact that Roland tranqulized the T-Rex instead, who's to say that he wouldn't have done it before? He did say the last time we saw him after he refused Ludlow's job offering; "I believe I've spent enough time in the company of death", so whether Nick had a part of that or not, he still had a redemption.

[@Naraga033]

1: That still doesn't resolve the morality of the issue, are Nick & co allowed to expose the hunters to injury and death because of their plans to create a new zoo? How it ended in actuality does not matter, the triceratops bursting through the tent and into the crowd alone should have already ended up with many death and injured, let alone all the other stuff going on. 2: Roland attempted to shoot one of the Rexes while it was in the middle of attacking the camp to defend his subordinates. Because of the chaos, the Rex didn't focus him and because he was in the middle of the camp he had the option to collect the darts and use them instead. However this is of course not what Nick predicted. In Nick's mind, Roland would go on another hunt similar to the tree stakeout he did before. In such a situation, Roland would not have access to the darts and be left with no weapon. In addition, a hunt is quiet. Roland is not using a long ranged rifle, and would have to be relatively close to the Rex in order to shoot it. In that situation, attempting to shoot the empty gun and the sound it would make could easily alert the Rex to his presence. That is the situation Nick envisioned when he emptied the gun.

[@monsterhanna6691]

Naraga033 No, what Nick wanted to do was keep the hunters from taking the dinosaurs away. I doubt murder was on his mind at all; he was just doing his job.

[@monsterhanna6691]

Naraga033 His only thought was that the dinosaurs would be free, not "and everyone will die so bonus for that". Even I think that he would just want to put everyone in a situation that they couldn't escape, thus enabling a sort of punishment for their greed/stupidity. His line "well, that's one souvenir they won't be taking back with them" could prove this you know. Besides, all he was doing was his job, so it's not like he did this for nothing.

[@denalikota1371]

Nick Van Owen serves the role of representing a factor of Malcolms chaos theory; The Butterfly Effect. Nick does only minor things e.g taking out Roland's shells and these end up with larger consequences, the death of most the InGen team and the San Diego incident.

[@CABRALFAN27]

The San Diego Incident was caused by the people who were stupid enough to think taking Dinosaurs into a heavily populated area was a good idea, not by the person who wanted to keep the public safe from the Dinosaurs and vice versa. Even if Nick removing the shells prevented the T-Rex from being killed, and thus wreaked havoc in San Diego, Ludlow was the one who looked at all the carnage it caused on Sorna and still went through with the plan.

[@Digitalfairy]

CABRALFAN27 that was my point exactly: why hate on Nick and Sarah, when everyone SHOULD be pointing fingers at that a-wipe Peter Ludlow!

[@AndersonWorld]

@@CABRALFAN27 That was nick and Roland's fault.

[@I3ert91]

Let's be honest. The real villain of this franchise is John Hammond. Not the jolly old man from the movies but his money hungry Novel counterpart

[@Darkerfoxtech]

Alberto Gomez but little elephants

[@I3ert91]

lethalsilverdragon NEDRY is who I meant to say lol

[@markwilson4078]

Ah yes, John Hammond from the novel! He was a Grade-A douche! BUT at least he got his comeuppance at the end of that novel, which ended up being Dieter's death in The Lost World.

[@redhood2394]

The best thing that Jurassic Park could’ve done was making Hammond a tragic character. Seeing his vision fall and even worst cost lives is real heartbreaking for him. Makes you feel for his character.

[@dordonake]

I'm so glad his movie version went through redemption and tried to make things right. The bigger bad of the cinematic universe is Doctor Wu. He created the dinosaurs, worked with people like Hoskins and Mills, and no one could cause any harm with dinosaurs that weren't exist without him. Except for Hammond and Lockwood, all of the deaths can be traced to Wu. Hammond was the only thing kept his conscious alive.

[@theliato3809]

The big thing about Nick emptying Rolands gun is that by that point in the movie everyone is just trying to get off the island alive and Roland would probably be more concerned about killing the T-Rex because its an animal attacking them rather then for sport. Yet nick is making it harder for everyone to survive by sabotaging one of the people in the group whos got the best skills to get them out of there.

[@Hauptseite]

By my understanding of all arguments; Nick is more an anti-villain and Roland is an anti-hero. Nick meant to do good, but caused great harm. The sabotage of the camp comes back to bite them in the ass and the tampering with the bullets indirectly leads to the Rex living and then going on a rampage. Roland is an anti-hero because while his motives are ultimately self-serving and egotistical, he does do good while in the pursuit of his selfish goals.

[@jackj9816]

Was the rex he was trying to shoot the one chasing or the other one cause the male stayed at the camp

[@jeremyanderson6789]

Nick van Owen not a good guy. He dersve to be punished. I don’t like karma houndi

[@deshrektives]

Watch the deleted scenes. You will know the truth #JusticeForRoland

[@joshuadesautels]

By removing the scene where Ludlow accidentally breaks the baby rex's leg, it made it seem in the final version as though Roland deliberately broke its leg.

[@crystalgemgirl731]

He's got too much honor for that.

[@silvertheelf]

Top 3 Heroes: Eddie Carr (rescuer) Ian Malcom (voice of reason) Roland Timbo (awesome, pure indisputable awesomeness)

[@chimerasuchus]

What happened in Los Angles is something Nick could not have predicted. However, emptying of Roland's gun also reduced the ability of the hunters to defend themselves against the larger dinosaurs. This predictably lead to the deaths of a lot of people. He also let the dinosaurs the hunters already had lose and, while it doesn't seem to have lead to any deaths, there are a very high chance of that happening. He never shows remorse for any of this, nor the death of Eddie, who also died due to his actions. It doesn't matter whether he was motivated by selfishness or selflessness, his callous disregard makes him a villainous character, whether the movie portrays him that way or not.

[@aitornavarro6597]

The Lost World is my favourite film from the series. And honestly other than Dr. Malcom I think Roland is probably my favourite character he's so badass. Those s deleted scenes of him with Ajay at the bar should have been kept in the final cut.

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Totally

[@palmtop_studios]

Aitor Navarro looks like I have to rewatch it

[@lukecage9836]

Aitor Navarro is like to see a Roland prequel!

[@wolfthornnholtzklau4913]

Luke Cage Actor passed away

[@dordonake]

Dear Avior, Please meet me in Jurassic Park wiki. I would really like to share insights with you. My fandom user name is ScaryMovie53. As said, I'm always willing to talk about JP/JW.

[@jordanbroome9737]

Roland was an amazing character and sad to think he won't be on the JP series again R.I.P Pete

[@gungriffen]

I watched (twice) lol You left out that Eddie Carr dies as a direct result of Nick moving the baby Rex. That moving if the baby Rex is also a catalyst of a great many issues even when warned by Sarah. While most of Nicks actions had indirect consequences like the inability to call for help after destroying the camp, the death of Eddie was a direct reaction to his action knowing they would follow, the T-Rex territory shifted as an indirect reaction, knowing they are being hunted (or even only possibly after Sarah warns him again) he sabotages Roland's shells (in which he does while Roland is checking Sarah for wounds) so he is directly responsible for the deaths at the camp, he is indirectly responsible for the raptor attacks and San Diego. In the end a whole lot of lives would have been saved if he had been dropped off the cliff, but it is ironically the man who is his nemesis who reaches to save him and I believe Nick would have allowed Roland to fall if the situation had been reversed. We disagreed but I'm fine with that, the comment section at least has a few who back me lol

[@KlaytonFioriti]

I think a lot of the deaths in the film were indirectly involved in Nick's actions of course (Eddie being an interesting one) and I do think you're right about Nick letting Roland fall over the cliff. That would more than likely have happened lol. I just don't see him as a "villain" or "evil guy" in the movie (even though I disagree completely with what hes doing) as hes doing it against the bad guys of the film. Its kinda like when Luke Skywalker blows up the DeathStar I don't think he's a bad guy (even though the other prisoners besides Princess Leia are all destroyed with it lol) but thats kind of a broad idea. Forgive me if this is hard to read. Its been a long day lol

[@justnoah2073]

I think Nick Van Owen would've still saved Roland in that situation. It would seem out of character to do such a direct cold blooded act of hatred.

[@giusepperana6354]

At least some people in the comment section of common sense. He brought a t-rex baby to other humans including a child. How morally decrepit do you have to be to do that? Absolutely mindblowing. Fixing a t-rex baby's leg? Why?! It's a wild animal that would eat you the first chance it got, in an incredibly hostile environment. Literally the last thing any sane man should ever think about there is to fix a baby t-rex's broken leg. Ironically there is at least a tiny bit of redemption in the fact that the t-rex parents do not forgive and punish his "good" actions swiftly, as you would expect. It's only sad he wasn't the one to get punished himself.

[@direwolfkaniz9192]

We all know who is the real villain, Sarah ! She knew Trex will smell and track the juvenile blood, Roland even mentioned it to her, yet she still wear until the Rex attack the camp.

[@supafun33]

I thought Nick was calling the T-rex the son-of-a-bitch

[@CaptainFalcoZC]

Brook Hubbs yeah I thought so too

[@whysos3rious88]

You're not the only one

[@Nogusaurus]

That was also my impression, I'll give it a rewatch but I'm pretty certain he was yelling at the rex.

[@koicommander]

Pretty sure he was calling the trex that

[@saiess]

Brook Hubbs Why not? XD It's trying to do them in.

[@supergamer5121]

The film definitely portrays the grey areas of people. Especially of animal rights activists. Also in some ways, it is Ludlow’s fault for what would happen, cause he broke the baby’s leg, which resulted in them taking the baby back to the trailer, which led to the destruction of the trailer and death of Eddie. I always thought it would be interesting if Ludlow stole the bullets instead. Say if he took an interest in capturing a live adult T-Rex, but Roland just wanted to kill one, so he stole the bullets so that Roland would tranquilize it, not caring how many of his own men would die as a result. People wouldn’t hate Nick and the film as much. But yeah, the film never really portrays Nick as some sort of hero like Ian or Sarah, so people can’t really say the film is glorifying someone who let people die to save an animal.

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Now the Ludlow bullet idea is REALLY cool!

[@monsterhanna6691]

That would make Ludlow's death so much more satisfying.

[@gregborman6436]

I agree with some of what you said, but when you said, "he broke the baby’s leg, which resulted in them taking the baby back to the trailer", that is not true. The breaking of the baby's leg did not cause them to bring the dinosaur back to the trailer. The two events are related, but the first did not CAUSE the other.

[@mecham7011]

Setting the captured dinos loose in the middle of the hunter's camp and causing all of their equipment to be destroyed thus getting them stuck in the life or death situation is a pretty evil thing to do. And blaming Nick for it is pretty clean cut. Its like saying Nedry isn't to blame for the first park failing because he didn't intend to leave all of the fences off. This isn't even counting that the hunters he screwed over come to help them after the rex attack and Van Owen's response is to sabotage them at the first chance he gets, which is a real douchebag move.

[@stevereed2472]

If he didn't do this though imagine how many dinosaurs would have gone to San Diego and how many more civilians would have died.

[@notsitanshu2458]

Steve Reed true dat

[@adenmohd3390]

@@stevereed2472 True, but the bullet sabotage was simply unnecessary. We know for a fact whatever gets hit by those elephant bullets won’t survive to San Diego

[@stevereed2472]

@@adenmohd3390 mmm, maybe, I have a feeling those wouldn't do much for a t.rex though. I dont think they would out it down.

[@Mirthful_Midori]

@@stevereed2472 The only dinosaurs we see them trying to take were trying to take herbivores, at least at first. It wouldn't be too different from something like a hippo or a rhinoceros escaping. They can be dangerous for sure, but not actively hunting people as a food source kind of dangerous.

[@Sturmbannfuhrer21]

You start way to deep into it. The mercenaries camp would not have been destroyed had Nick not released the captured dinosaurs. Before their camp was destroyed everything was going fine. His mission was inherently putting people at risk to save some dinosaurs from being stuffed in a zoo.

[@ColvyMolvy]

If anything, its more Ludlows fault for the people on Sorna dying. Apart from trying to take the animals off the island in the first place, he is the one who stands on the baby Rex breaking its leg, which leads to Nick taking it back to the trailer. Doing this makes the adult Rex's attack the trailer, killing Eddie. How does it lead to more deaths? The blood from the baby Rex on Sarah's clothing. The adult Rex's are tracking the group via smell. If they hadn't of shown up, nobody would of gone into raptor territory. If the baby Rex hadn't had its leg broken, the 2 groups PROBABLY wouldn't have come across each other, or at least not in the way that they did in the movies, thereby denying the chance for Nick to talk to Roland and learn of his plan to shoot the Buck and he never would have taken the rounds. But hey, that's just a theory, a film theory. Aaaaaaaaaaaaand cut.

[@jose.b9272]

Colvy Molv Take this W my friend

[@greedkingcobalt200]

Butterfly effect, chaos theory buddy

[@quinnybinny4983]

Wait you're not Matpat....

[@Deathchan12]

Or you can say it’s his parents giving birth to him and raising him that lead to all that

[@GhostGrind]

Ludlow did not intentionally break the infants' leg it was an accident from what I read online

[@Supersaurus4]

I think that Nick Van Owen was more like the anti-hero in the film. John Hammond had hired him for the purpose of helping Ian and his group stop the InGen team from rounding up the dinosaurs, and he succeeded for the most part by releasing the dinosaurs they initially caught. While Roland was on the InGen team, he was still shown to be an honor bound man, considering he was just interested in taking up the challenge of hunting and bringing down a full grown bull Tyrannosaurus. Sure he wasn’t able to kill the dinosaur since Nick stole the bullets out of the gun, but he technically did still achieve his goal somewhat even though he merely tranquilized the Tyrannosaur.

[@CABRALFAN27]

You'll have to forgive me, but I don't understand how wanting to kill another living creature, even a beast like the T Rex, just for what essentially boils down to the hell of it, is in any way "honorable".

[@WhyTho525]

@@CABRALFAN27 He was referring to Roland not abandoning Malcolm's group behind on Sorna but intsead helping them out.

[@grizzly_manbanimation8436]

@@CABRALFAN27 he was still an honorable man. He did have compassion, he wasn’t a pure sadist, he helped those that sabotaged him rather then leave them to die, and was willing to venture into the jungle to find someone who’s lost. Does he have his flaws? Absolutely, but does that completely remove his honor? No no it doesn’t.

[@ibtiago18]

It should also be noted that Nick was the one to go ahead in to the communication center and called for help. The comunication center is in the heart of the Raptor's territory so he was taking a great risk by being the first to go there.

[@palmtop_studios]

Ivo Tiago That's a true hero!

[@inkbile]

A deleted scene/part of the script has him refusing to go ahead. Makes me wonder if they thought he was too ambiguous and wanted him to do somwthing more heroic to err on the side of being a good guy?

[@jackj9816]

True but they wouldn’t be there if not for him

[@ibtiago18]

@@jackj9816 which can be interpreyated as him taking responsibility for his actions.

[@jackj9816]

@@ibtiago18 i guess that makes sense in away

[@gojiking5456]

You did it.. you crazy son of a bitch, you did it!

[@KlaytonFioriti]

lol nice haha.

[@spotlight1677]

I loved Dieter , haha seriously, I think I had issues as a kid.

[@nathanielrourke8886]

I never thought of him as a "THE" villain, but a villain. I haven't changed my mind, at best now this guy looks like just as much of an uncaring mercenary as the guys on the other team. Except his uncaring is for other human beings.

[@TexGrebnerOutdoors]

I think, that most of the reason the unloading of Tembos gun is a big deal is that, It being and express rifle I had the most potential to take down a Rex. Because it is made clear that the small arms of the hunters are pointless.

[@BrandonGoose]

Tex Grebner Outdoors question is,would it have taken down a t-rex

[@SomeNavySEALs]

Yes. In long: very yes.

[@Devin_Stromgren]

Maybe, assuming he hit the rex in one of the right spots.

[@BrandonGoose]

I just find it funny how all the people shot guns at the t-rex in the camp scene,didnt even slow it down,so i ask what makes rollands gun any better?

[@Devin_Stromgren]

Much more powerful cartridge with a much larger and heavier bullet. Most, if not all, of the other hunters firearms were designed to kill things the size of a human, while Rolland's double rifle was made to kill animals the size of elephants.

[@Tervicz]

For some reason I kept wondering where the ewoks were hiding in the lost world. Those woods looked familiar.

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Tervicz lol they actually the exact same woods filmed in Return of the Jedi!

[@Oakoms]

As Allen Grant once said "Some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the best intentions"

[@Dinoslay]

What hasn't long made sense to me is why Nick disappears altogether by the time they get to San Diego. Wouldn't he have wanted to continue preventing the animals from being further exploited?

[@zachzabel-grell3340]

Nope. Because by that point he had gotten paid, and was free and clear to go back to doing whatever morally bankrupt things a scumbag like him does in his spare time. I wanted SO badly to see Nick suffer some horrific, Nedry style death in Lost World. Nedry was the saboteur in JP1. And his actions indirectly caused the deaths of pretty much everyone else in the film. Nick is the saboteur in Lost World, and got off without much more than a few scratches and bruises, and even a nice big fat payday, while his actions directly and indirectly lead to the deaths of likely dozens of people. Anyone who values the lives of animals that had been previously selected for extinction over the lives of his or her fellow human beings is morally and ethically insane, and should not be, under any circumstances, trusted. Throughout all 4 of the films so far, Nick remains my number 1 most hated character for the simple fact that he was a morally bankrupt, environmentalist lunatic who got dozens of people killed, who were at the end of the day, just there to do a job.

[@unclaimedstorage]

As a kid i was pissed @ Nick sabotaging that gun. As an adult the same.

[@LowellLucasJr.]

Is it me, or is everyone trying to smuggle something potentially dangerous from the island in EVERY MOVIE?!

[@pedroherrera8702]

Your video's make my day and make me love the whole series .Keep up the the awesome work man. MUCH LOVE

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Thank you! I greatly appreciate that! :D

[@TheWriterEJYanez]

I actually really love both Nick and Roland, specifically because of the sort of back and forth between the two. XD

[@jamesstevenson1231]

"some of the worst things imaginable were done with the best intentions"

[@Terrordome3000]

Nail meet hammer. Fantastic breakdown of Roland and Nick's characters/relationship. Agree with you 100%. Nick = Hammond's new mistake. Not because he's a villain but he's impulsive and driven. He makes some questionable choices rushing a baby T-rex back to the trailers, sabotaging the camp and leaving Roland unarmed sure but he can't predict the future. Also I never knew about the song that inspired their characters. THAT. IS. AWESOME! Thanks for teaching me something new.

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Thanks for the compliment haha! I do agree that Van Owen was a very driven and quite questionable member of the group but I've never been able to call him evil. People war with eachother constantly and throwing a good or evil label on something can be really difficult. Especially when considering, Death to the public by new dinosaur park that will undoubtedly fail or death to hunters by letting loose dinosaurs. The irony in Roland tranqing the buck after Nick empties his gun is Chaos Theory metaphorically seen perfectly on screen and I always loved it haha!

[@monsterhanna6691]

Terrordome 3000 The only reason why he took the baby Rex was because he wanted to help it; nothing more.

[@Terrordome3000]

Never said it was for anything else but to help the infant.

[@thetaytheist]

If you mean he was a Mistake like Nedry, sure. But villain? Well I think that's questionable or possibly true. For Nick might not have seen the future, or thought in a "good interest", his methods and actions lead to the disaster that it is. He literally got everyone but the main cast killed. Like Nedry, Nedry didn't believe he was doing anything wrong. His intent was not to get everyone killed. Which is why he thought his run would have been 15 minutes to leave the power off and turn it back on. Not to mention he left the Raptor pen on, showing he was not some blind murderer.

[@ZetsubouGintama]

Nick = PETA activist Only thing he care about is dinosaur welfare. But he is not think about what he done might make thing more deep shit than it does. In the other word, idiot hippie, tree hugger, eco terroist. Worst kind of human equal to Nazi and relligious zealot.

[@johnnyngo2896]

Considering that he's more or less responsible for all of the death and destruction that happens in this movie i think it's safe to say that Nick's the true antagonist of the movie considering that his actions end up making things worse. (i.e. letting all of the dinosaurs out, bringing the baby rex in the trailer, removing the bullets out of Roland's gun.)

[@RidiKill]

I'd be more sympathetic to the character of Nick if he was presented as a better contrast to the hunters. Personally, I'm never convinced he cares all that much about the dinosaurs. He doesn't demonstrate any awe or wonder towards them beyond mild shock when he first sees the Stegosaurs. He spends almost the entire movie looking smug and obnoxiously chewing gum (I know that's supposed to pay off later in the baby rex scene but I don't think it was worth it). Even when he's witnessing the hunters cruelly rounding up the herd, he's chewing gum. While Eddie Carr is still in awe of the Stegosaurs on the hike back to the trailers, Nick's monologuing about how he's going to win a Pulitizer and, while supposedly an experienced wildlife photographer, he lights a cigarette and rolls his eyes when Sarah tells him to put it out. He even admits to joining Greenpeace because he was chasing women. So while I of course don't think he IS the villain of the movie, I think with a re-write he COULD have been a villain. Someone who goes slightly too far in his recklessness and is revealed to be something of a fraud.

[@IsabelOEM]

Exactly, and I believe this is why many viewers grow to dislike him, and like Roland more. Roland, as questionable as his moral stances are, is at least honest about who he is. Nick's not the villain of the movie, but people have valid reasons for seeing him as a unlikable, almost accidental villain.

[@razorfett147]

Agreed. Being a revolutionary was just fashionable to him. Ive know a couple like him. They are never short of a cause to throw themselves into ...and its seldom because they care that much. I refer to them as professional monkey wrenches

[@jeremyanderson6789]

Yes he is, Nick van Owen is a villain that my opinion.

[@StripeyRedStripes]

A fine point well made. I've been trying to make this point for years, just was never able to do it as eloquently.

[@jeddysne]

I always thought he was yelling at the Rex, not lauding Burke's death. Also, all the hunters respected Van Owen (or seemed to) especially be willing to follow him for survival, referencing the scene where Ludlow is trying to take charge in Roland's absence. I think he respects people as being humans but protecting the animals was his number one priority.

[@kaijulord54]

I think another reason is because when Nick, Ian, Sarah & Kelly are picked up by a helicopter he holds bullets in his hands and drops them. Which must’ve made people believe that Nick took everyone’s bullets which is ridiculous because of hundreds, maybe even thousands of bullets he’d have to take. And I don’t think he’d have enough time to do take the bullets and put them somewhere they won’t notice while everyone was asleep.

[@Hound831]

Nick Nick Nick Nick Nick Niiiick Nickelvanoweeeeeen! Sorry I couldn't help it.

[@pedroherrera8702]

Watching this video make me like Nick and Roland even more. Both characters are just plain awesome

[@dordonake]

A yin must have his yang

[@jeremyanderson6789]

I don’t like nick

[@xenowarsgames3806]

Roland actually brought a weapon meant to kill the Rex. The others had close range weapons. If Roland killed the Rex, the San Diego incident wouldn't have happened. Nick, of course, wouldn't know the effects of removing the shells. But Nick should be legally held responsible for sabotage of equipment, and everyone that died at the hunter base when he sabotaged it.

[@aryshandono3249]

I think the San Diego incident wouldn't have happened if Peter Ludlow didn't bring the Rex to the mainland. Don't forget though, Nick was trying to set the dinosaurs free and prevents them from being brought to the mainland, while Ludlow's team was attempting to round the dinosaurs and bringing them to the new park I figure if Roland had killed the Buck for his supposed trophy, he would still tranquilize the Doe for Ludlow to be carried to San Diego. So I think if there's a villain in this film, it's neither Roland or Nick, but Peter Ludlow

[@drive2160]

@@aryshandono3249I know this is old but man the dude pissed me off Also he is responsible for involuntary manslaughter Through malicious intentions when concerning the gun and setting the dinosaurs free he was criminally negligent Dude would be in prison

[@ericvetter7382]

What dangerous game hunter only carries two rounds? I find that hard to believe. Also, keep in mind, Klayton, Roland's rifle was that of either a 500, or 600 Nitro express- far more powerful than anything launched from an H&K in 7.62 NATO or a Spas 12 in 12-gauge. One round from Roland's rifle into that Rex's head would have marked its end. From that range, the .500 Nitro express with a 570 Grain bullet would produce approximately 5,000 foot-pounds of energy- absolutely decimating the skull of even that giant monster. Does that mean Nick killed everyone? Well... I guess I'd say he just sort of guided everyone in that direction. Additional Info: I just checked and it's a 600 Nitro express, producing between 6840 and 8,400 Foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. That equals a very dead Rex.

[@martynanderson8567]

Keep the jp videos coming man awesome as always

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Thank you!

[@arunkumar2029]

What bothered me was a scene where the Marlboro men didn’t respect the nerdy villain guy to get up and move but they listened to Nick and started moving. I mean come on... Nick basically destroyed their whole tech indirectly.. why would the Marlboro men respect him?

[@senorsombrero1275]

Roland was my favorite character in the lost world.

[@matttomaschko4813]

Awesome video man you do great work.

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed this one man!

[@willtrantham9890]

I'm usually just a silent viewer of your videos, but seriously, this an amazing channel.

[@MythicTyrant]

Awesome video again! I do have one off-topic question, though. We're the sauropods in The Lost World a pair of Diplodocus?

[@KlaytonFioriti]

They were actually called Mamenchisaurus and for some reason its the only time we have seen them at all in the entire franchise...which is kind of weird because you'd think a dinosaur that size would be shown waaaaay more often hahaha!

[@kenpoarniceguy1]

Klayton Fioriti We need more of that dinosaur.

[@TitusCastiglione1503]

Ok I’m really late to this, but here’s my 2 cents: Nick wasn’t exactly a villain, but he was certainly criminally negligent. In real life, I think he would have put on trial for manslaughter due to all the deaths his actions caused in the film. For all their faults, the InGen team never tried to hurt or even impede Hammond’s team; if anything they aided them when they had every reason to leave them to die. For that alone, I regard Nick as an unbelievably foolish ideologue. If Roland had shot Nick for what he did, I’m not sure if I would have fully blamed him.

[@joshhayes8172]

Love your content ..... Great insight

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Thanks man!

[@gungriffen]

Finally! lol Been begging for this video for weeks :D

[@KlaytonFioriti]

I hope this helps give you an idea on my thoughts! Sorry it took so long, and sorry it is so long lol! I tried to get it down to as low as possible (it was originally 17 minutes)

[@dragonstormx]

Blaming Nick for everyone dying on the mainland is ridiculous. Ludlow was the one who brought T-Rex there in the first place, it's really his fault. He was the one who saw the giant carnivore that shrugged gunfire and pushed a trailer off a cliff and said "I'm going to bring it to a city full of millions of people." That said, since Nick accidentally lured the adult Tyrannosaurs-rexes to the trailer, I feel it should have been him who died trying to save the others rather than Eddie. Granted that does rob Eddie of his more likable moment but it does give Nick a moment where he actually does something to help people.

[@Jdabomb93]

Okay! I gotta say great job Klayton, I thought you were wrong about Nick hating Burke(the guy who gets eaten by the trex with the snake in his shirt) but after extensive research for 30 minutes of reading 4 different Lost world scripts and watching the waterfall/snake/cave scene again I have finally come to realize nick was calling Burke a son of a bitch for backing up further into the cave which caused Kelly the little girl to get closer to the Rex. So nick called him a son of a bitch and said that the rex couldn't reach them. I have always believed Nick was calling the Rex a son of a bitch. But it seems pretty clear now that the original scripts, point to the contrary. Thanks for this awesome video Klayton, and I recommend you guys go read the Jurassic park scripts online. They really help put things into perspective.

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Thanks man! I really appreciate that haha!

[@Jdabomb93]

Klayton Fioriti Hey no problem! I admire constructive criticism and factual evidence as well. Still shocks me that my whole life I thought Nick was talking to the Rex, but thanks for clearing that up, maybe a little bit more directive work from Spielberg could have cleaned that up too. Thanks for all the excellent videos you make. With the incredible music you use too.

[@heisenberg3024]

What an intriguing video. Good job!

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Heisenberg Thanks man!

[@keithwoodcrest]

So well thought out and explained. Love it.

[@zombielizard218]

Van Owen and Roland are supposed to be opposing characters. The fact you can 'choose' a side as it were of who is in the right or wrong easily makes the movie much better,

[@MarioUcomics]

I think, it's not really who is the real villain of the story, but more that Lost World has shades of grey on both sides.

[@Murder_Hornet]

Peter Ludlow is solely responsible for the San Diego incident. He had an adult apex predator the size of a semi truck brought into a civilian population center, in a generic, unsecured freighter; based on a guess made by an obviously unqualified layman, using incomplete knowledge of the animal's physiology, in order to determine whether or not it could make the trip. Ludlow was so preoccupied with whether he could, he didn't stop to think if he should. He is the only one at fault here. And excellent analysis, as always with your channel.

[@M00NKYMAN3R]

I love the thumbnail for this🤣😂 "Get rected homie" lol

[@TheCynicalEngineer]

on Sora? probably- San diego? no. if he removed the shells from one man's gun doesn't count for the deaths in San Diego. as you may remember its mainly the faults of InGen's harbour crew and really some what laziness which affected probably due to management. lemme explain: so the Buck Rex was knocked out and was loaded in to some of Ingen's high tec transitional equipment and was loaded onto a barge bound for the mainland. at some point senior members or someone stated the medical state of the dino and what to do in an emergency on board the vessel, but this didn't happen as in the film one of the surviving crew members stated that "its stopped breathing" and "we didn't know how much to give it" at some point InGen should/would have presented someone who knew how this worked (i mean due to Jurassic Park and logic would say they would tested things) so down to the crews inexperience with handling these kind of animals is mostly down to the San Diego incident BUT also InGen's Security/ animal control as they know the nature of these animals and this is an OBVIOUS oversight. so was it Nick Van Owen? -No and i stand by that, his intention of the film is to preserve the island and stop InGen from profitting of these animals at the expense of other lives, his alliterative motive was due to Hamond asking him AND Only him to deal with InGen, the others Ian Maclom is only there because of sarah harding where as Nick and Eddie car was hired by Hammond to photograph these animals to show they are thriving and should have Humanity avoid them at all costs, only Hammond gave this extra contract to nick due to his involvement with earth first and not worrying about the morals, the others are more concerned with there own safety and getting off the island and maybe slip up InGen on the way as it was planned for to slow down their process and get the photos to senior goverment members and have the island and the animals that inhabit it cornered off from the rest of the world. man i type alot, but i really don't see Nick and an overall villain but does have an alliterative motive compared to the other survivors so it makes him questionable at best for me. interesting topic no? BUUTTT it could have been staged so that it would look like an accident but who knows?

[@KlaytonFioriti]

CraftingCJ249 couldn't have said it better myself man! I like the critique on InGen's management a lot!

[@LadyFeline3]

Totally agree on San Diego. I commented something similar before I saw this comment. You went into a lot more detail than I did! :)

[@flyingrancidm00nfish7]

I don't think people don't hate Nick because they like Roland too much, its because he consistently acts without caring about how the consequences will likely put others in more danger and with everyone of these actions, he doesn't face up or admit to the responsibility for them. This is ironic because its these are the exact points made about John Hammond in the Jurassic park novel which show that he is at fault nearly as much as Nedry. Even more ironic is that its Malcolm who makes these points. As for taking the bullets out of the only rifle meant to take down a T-rex, what if it was Kelly or Malcolm who was about to be eaten by the Rex and their only hope was Roland bringing it down?

[@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319]

The idea that people hate Nick because they like Roland is such a bad case of gaslighting that I've ever seen.

[@StraightEdgeHeathen]

i love your videos, man! you are my number 1 source for jurassic park stuff on youtube. keep it up!

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Hey thanks Gerold! I really appreciate hearing that! It means a lot!

[@royfokker3410]

Roland is the same actor who played ¨Kevin Spacey´s ¨ partner in ¨USUAL SUSPECTS¨. Great Actor.

[@joetyler5816]

Wait, this is a new video? I thought it was older lol. Great work and keep it up! Cant wait for the "BIG VIDEO"! EDIT: I also think they should've used Thorne instead of Van Owen. Also should've included Arby.

[@KlaytonFioriti]

I've wanted to see Dr.Thorne forever! haha thanks for the compliment man! I really appreciate that!

[@joetyler5816]

Klayton Fioriti Anytime! Love your work!

[@JudgeFett426]

I understand this is a movie but the one thing that has bothered me about Roland is the fact he is an experienced big game hunter, and he goes to the island for one thing a male rex trophy but the man only takes 2 .600 nitro express cartriges!?!

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Yeah I agree. Another person brought that up and the only possible explanation is that the other rounds were on Ajay while he was being pulled away with the other hunters....but thats not factual and just a guess. In reality theres no explanation lol

[@kthemaster1999]

He only needs one

[@nevileasterling648]

Another person brought up that his game guide, Ajay, was carrying all the additional ammunition. This is certainly plausible, as a guide carries extra equipment for the hunter.

[@JudgeFett426]

I can say I never really thought about Ajay carrying the extra ammo, so I guess that is a plausible explanation. Another thing what if Roland actually killed one of the Rex's? Possibly sending the surviving rex into some kind of rage and changing the whole ending to the movie. I never really liked the whole San Diego section of the movie and besides dinosaurs are always killing the people, or killing other dinosaurs. I for one would think it would be kind of nice to see a person drop a large carnivore with a safari rifle at least once.

[@nevileasterling648]

Someone brought up that very topic of Roland shooting the male and then after finally having got his ultimate trophy, felt remorse and instead tranquilized the female, which then gets transported to San Diego. Also, the San Diego scene could have been replaced with a cool ending on the island.

[@the-nightsider8613]

+Klayton I noticed the connection between this movie and the Warren Zevon song too, but I thought it was just a coincidence. Thanks for pointing that out. Great video, as always. Keep it up. :)

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Thanks man! Greatly appreciated :)

[@wp14723]

Enjoyed the video.

[@harrisonturner7443]

I have never liked “crazy” environmentalists. A future JP film should make a PETA rep the villain. Any ideas on how said character should be written?

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Totally! I could see an insane person coming in and causing direct drama with some local village or small town by wanting to "reintroduce the animals in their environments" which would destroy civilization and other eco systems....I actually think this will happen in future movies.

[@markcobuzzi826]

I heard that Dr. Laura Sorkin from the Telltale Jurassic Park game was a similar kind of villain to the one you are asking for.

[@warriorking4ever]

You mean like Clair's DPG organization going rogue? Or producing a member or splinter faction who are more extreme in their efforts to improve life for the dinosaurs?

[@bennettfender1546]

Klayton Fioriti eh I mean in some cases it would make sense i.e. reintroducing wolves here on the east coast could naturally take out the coyote population and give white tails and hogs a natural predator.

[@asher8754]

But that's an animal that was already part of the ecosystem and only removed by human actions. It would be a whole another thing to put a 40 ft long 19 ft tall apex predator in the American east cost

[@TheTerribleLizard]

I agree. Nick can be kind of an asshole, he doesn't really think things entirely through but he certainly is no villain and people seem to overplay his role in everything. Ludlow is the one who brought the t rex to San Diego, despite the loss of life on the island. I don't think hes a good character but hes no villain.

[@lalo360elite]

Love your videos bro! I just had this exact argument with a friend! It started with me saying that Nick was my favorite character!

[@KlaytonFioriti]

hugo garcia that's awesome haha! Glad you enjoyed the video!

[@ethan6322]

Dude I love jurassic park your videos are great

[@narcissiststarwarsfan7075]

It is very simple: Nick put people in a situation where they would be in vastly more danger of dying. He is the villain. He does just as much damage as Nedry.

[@adenmohd3390]

In a way he did more damage than Nedry. Sure Nedry caused more facility damage with a handful of deaths but Nick caused a whole massacre

[@WhyTho525]

Did you guys forget that Peter Ludlow literally planned to bring dangerous animals to a heavily populated area ? If Nick didn't sabotage the camp, San Diego would've dealt with way more dinosaurs than just 1 T-rex.

[@silence6813]

@@WhyTho525 Yes but unfortunately this action came with a huge price. Free the dinosaurs was one thing, but bringing the infant back to Ian and the others trailer just added more fuel to the fire.

[@dfsilva3617]

@@WhyTho525 But not. The InGen's team wasn't leave predatory dinosaurs to mainland. Only few species of herbivore dinosaurs was taken.

[@WhyTho525]

@@dfsilva3617 Herbivorous animals can be dangerous too, esspecially herbivorous dinosaurs

[@Ch4oTiK]

It was a cool little dynamic, yet another interesting concept the movie brought in. One character is the nice guy working for the bad guys, while the other is a bit of a prick but is working for the good guys.

[@haftashaft]

Holy crap. I love Zevon and never connected the dots between Lost World and Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner.... mind blown

[@575forza]

People of San Diego probably wished Nick didnt touch Roland's gun. Woulda saved the city about a billion dollars. And one dog.

[@will5554]

I like Nick tho

[@moeotb8191]

I like the video and every detail you mentioned however you should give Roland more credit for a very good reason . Roland was an experienced Hunter and will never go claim his trophy animal with one rifle and only 2 bullets specially a T-Rex in my opinion the double barrel rifle was working fine as we can hear the click when he pulled the trigger but unfortunately the only 2 bullets he had at that time were sabotaged by Nick . He didn't have any more bullets in his pocket to reload and take the shot the reason for that his motive was only to make The animal stop killing those people not an act of hunting otherwise he would've had more amo and his partner as a second shooter so he didn't give himself the privilege of preparing for a hunt at that moment . Plus in one of the scenes Roland mentioned that he has a room where he keeps his trophies to brag as a great Hunter yet we never saw him pull The T-Rex tooth or even take a picture next to it even though The T-Rex will make the best trophy in his collection I think the reason for that he realized that what was happening there is a big freak show that made people loose their lives not a hunting expedition . In my opinion he scores much more than Nick in terms of morals and ethics . This was my own personal opinion i apologize if i was wrong and thanks for the video .

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Thanks for watching! And no I totally agree actually!

[@namegoeshere5220]

Roland is undoubtably one of my favorites in the series. He is up there with Grant and Malcolm.

[@colemclean5405]

I will try to reenact court case. Roland: well your honor he took the bullets out of my gun. Judge: why did you disarm this man of ammo to defend him self. Nick Van Owen: well I just didn’t want him kill one animal. That’s how the court case would go in real life

[@CABRALFAN27]

Implying that Nick had any way of knowing that, if the Rex did live, Ludlow would still be greedy and stupid enough to bring it to San Diego, or that it would break free and cause carnage.

[@colemclean5405]

CABRALFAN27 in North Carolina where I live it’s illegal to harass hunters

[@vez1888]

I always thought Nick Van Owen and Roland Tempo where portrayed as two sides of the same coin. Nick the animal activist and Roland the big game hunter both showed obvious care for Kelly and both had a respect for the dinosaurs (though they both had different ways of showing it as such). I never really thought either of them where the “big bad” they both just made poor decisions that may have indirectly caused people’s death. Just like saying Nick is the “big bad” for taking Roland’s bullets you could also say Roland is the “big bad” for using the baby T-Rex as bait for the bull Rex in the first place. I imagine that the film would have been very different if the Rex’s had found the baby at the InGen camp rather than in the trailer.

[@nip3004]

Two things 1 i generally hear him referred to as the antagonist not the villain. A title that fits better 2 i feel the cause you put for why ppl see him in a negative light is not exactly right. While some may dislike him do to admiration of another character the main reason is their dislike for radical environmentalists that regularly put the lives of people and animals in danger. He is more disliked because of what he represents rather than simply taking the wrong guys bullets.

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Thats a very valid point and one I was trying to avoid while making the video (as I didn't want a war between hunting activists and Extreme Environmentalism) but it is primarily the main issue that separates the likers and the dislikers. Personally I feel that staying objective to the film itself and disregarding these things (as they really aren't problematic to anything like story or character development and in fact build upon it in several ways) is something that people who like to "choose a side" can't do in moments like these. Its one of the main reasons I'm beginning to see where the rift in Jurassic Fans ocurred but that being said I think it is highly dependent on personal feelings and not really anything to do with the quality of the film itself on a technical standpoint.

[@Rrodfer]

Awesome video, thanks for that new point of view

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Thank you! Means a lot to get positive feedback on this one haha

[@ryanhau1073]

It really shows an example of Chaos Theory, that actions can lead to a result that wasn't intended. Like it's pretty clear that Van Owen had no intention to let any Dinosaur off the Island and took action based on this intention, however his actions did lead to a Dinosaur being taken off the Island and a Rampage in a populated area.

[@Winter-The-Masquerade]

The only difference between Nick and Nedry is what they love. Nedry intentionally sabotaged the park and is thus responsible for the deaths of everyone for doing so because in doing so he hoped to get paid a LOT of money. Nick sabotaged the hunter camp, brought the baby T-Rex to his camp (which, as any one who has worked with animals will tell you is a TERRIBLE idea because, as shown in the film itself the parents are NOT going to be happy that you took their baby) which directly resulted in the death of Eddie. Then, after sabotaging Roland's gun Roland was forced to trank the male Rex which Ludlow took it in alive because it was the only way to save InGen and THAT resulted in all the deaths in the film's final act. Now, I'm NOT defending the hunter group but I'm am pointing out that every death in the film, with the possible exception of Stark, IS Nick's fault. Also while the hunters methods of capturing the Dinosaurs is bad it should be noted that the only one that is presented as a full on asshole is Stark while the others are just regular people who were hired to do a job. Ajay, Burke, Carter and the rest, nothing (aside from the hunting and trapping scene) makes them stand out as cruel or particularly or deserving of their fate. A fate which includes being eaten alive, crushed and (possibly) left to die on an island full of killer monsters. It's also not helped that Nick is in no way punished or called out for his actions and gets off scot free. And the reason for this isn't because he's more resourceful or cunning but because he's the most "Virtuous" and therefore he goes through the movie unharmed. Arguably the moment that most highlights that Nick is a creator's pet is when we see that he has the respect of the hunters when they listen to him rather then Ludlow when they need to get moving. Nick, the guy who has already killed several members of their team and sabotaged every piece of equipment and still isn't done sabotaging said equipment and getting people killed. Nick who has shown open contempt for all the hunters and insults them and their leader at every opportunity is the one they respect. Ludlow is a jackass as he is likewise responsible for everything that goes wrong but this was just ridicules and makes it clear who's the writers favorite and will give all the praises for despite all they've done. To each their own but if Nedry is held accountable for his sabotage that resulted in THREE people getting killed then Nick must also be held accountable for getting God Knows how many people killed. So, IMO, Nick is just as much the villain the film as Ludlow.

[@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319]

Right on.

[@thomasembleton1467]

Some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the best intentions. Applies to Nick rather well

[@leonardoalvarez8399]

Nick Vaughn Owen is what I used to see before. Now I see the the real Nick Van Owen. Another great video! Kudos to you

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Leonardo Alvarez Thanks man! :)

[@beartoothWC]

Man, if any personnel weapon out there could bring down a Rex it would have to be Roland's 500 Nitro Express. Would have been so cool if he actually got to use it.

[@HK4712]

I'm not saying he should have been the villain, but i think he should have died on that island. Its simple movie logic. Someone does something that gets other people killed, and he has to attone for it. But since Nick never showed remorse for his actions, or even acknowledges an error on his side, the only other solutions are his death, or his arrest. And i think there would be a poetic justice to it, if he was killed by the animals he was willing to sacrifice other people to save.

[@gungriffen]

Watched it a 4th time lol I'll try to make this my last comment but is the comparisons of Nick Van Owen to Muldoon accurate or is it more accurate to compare him to Dennis Nedry who's constant sabotage had far reaching side effects beyond their original scope? Especially under the pretense of Nick being "Just a man being paid to do a job". I'm going to be honest, I hate Nick lol. From his smug attitude, hostile demeanor to the hunters who had every right to abandon him to the wilderness and not shelter them, to his actions that caused direct and indirect deaths of dozens and after he knows all this still has the gaul to make a smug comment about taking the shells. It's that lack of remorse that makes him a villain, Roland sits and feels remorse for his loss yet Nick doesn't seem to feel it for the men who died by his actions nor the loss of Eddie.

[@raymondcorrea1]

I never thought about this topic before, I do agree with all your points.

[@prehistorichero2755]

Klayton Fioriti: Nostalgia Critic, Peter Ludlow is evil! Nostalgia Critic: From my point of view, the protagonists are evil!

[@mrturtle933]

I have a question weres the 8th raptors comic series

[@KlaytonFioriti]

Currently working on it! Hopefully it will be out by tomorrow! :D

[@mrturtle933]

Klayton Fioriti why dose it always seems like raptors are always in dreams Jurrasic park 3 The raptors comics The big one dreaming about killing mulldon Are the raptors secretly freedy kruger #NightmareonRaptorstreet

[@griffingiles2534]

I would argue that it's a matter of unforeseen consequences, a la chaos theory (joke and serious XD).

[@KlaytonFioriti]

"Anything that can...does happen."

[@griffingiles2534]

Klayton Fioriti True to that my friend. One last joke: "Dr. Malcolm please report to the front desk for your famous quote." XD

[@KlaytonFioriti]

lol

[@mvffincrusader3579]

Although the other hunters were shooting the Rex, you would have to look at the gun that Roland was using and the Ammo being used with it. The double barrel would also allow for a second round to be shot. The particular Ammo being used was a giant cartridge that was used in a war to shoot through metal plates and reach the enemy soldiers behind. This Ammo was a major part in the Cold War( I think). But after that you have to look at the strength of the Rex’s skull and would Roland be able to make the kill shot on one or possibly both of the TRex. So in the reality that Roland never had his gun and Ammo tampered with then it could have ended with the hunters group not perishing as much and the entire city destruction being cancelled.

[@pathendlem]

I never noticed this before but Dieter is actually next to Roland helping the “heroes” up the cliff after the Rexes leave. I assumed it was Ajay but if you look closely you can see it’s dieter