Should you buy a 75Pro or Air75? OPINION of a PRO PILOT | Comparison Meteor 75 Pro vs 75 Air

[@butterflyfpv]

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[@losi47]

Thank you for the comparison! Just a tip for other videos, I would make the music way quieter compared to your voice :)

[@butterflyfpv]

Thank you for your feedback! Appreciate it! Maybe no music at all?

[@losi47]

@@butterflyfpv I think its nice to fill out the background if you record in a completely quiet room

[@butterflyfpv]

@@losi47 👍👍 got it

[@WIL_FPV]

Thank u very much for the video Still waiting for my own Air75

[@butterflyfpv]

Thank you for your feedback! I appreciate it!🤜🤛

[@Dunkelstrasse]

Thanks for the comprehensive video! A lot of aspects you covered in this video are the reason i dont buy preassembled whoops anymore, if you buy all the parts yourself you can choose the best for your application. For example, i prefer smaller whoops, but i strongly agree that 1.5mm motor shafts are very important for any whoop over the 65mm size. I have built a meteor 75 Air frame with some old 20kkv hm 0802s from the mobula 7, and it flies amazing! It only weighs 22g, and is so efficient that i use the same 300mah batteries i use on my 65s. In my mind, if you want to go to 45mm prop, you should consider chosing a frame like the sub 250g turtle, since the size is already a little to big for indoor flying, and you gain a lot of speed and agility by losing the prop guards. But that is just my personal opinion.

[@butterflyfpv]

Thank you for your feedback! I am of your opinion. I almost only build whoops myself. But when I need a new board I sometimes buy a BNF whoop and use it until the frame breaks. And then I switch to my components. Because it seems to me that boards in BNF whoops are more often good than the boards you buy individually. Sometimes there are boards that are defective... Yes, open props definitely have more performance, but unfortunately also less durability than whoops..

[@steveastra4103]

Hey! I'm looking forward to buy my first fpv drone. I decided to go with a tinywhoop, a radiomaster pocket, and the eachine ev800. What drone would you recommend? Meteor 65 or 75 series? And if it'll be compatible with the goggles and the rc what i listed. I would really appreciate your response. And thanks for the video, now i think that I won't buy the air series because they aren't that durable 😂

[@butterflyfpv]

Cool that you chose tiny whoops! That was a good choice.. this way you can fly more.. In the meantime I also managed to bend the motor shafts on my 75 Pro. However, it took over half a year of flying almost every day. I would still choose the 75 Pro. But if, for example, all of your FPV friends fly the 75air then it would be worth buying the 75air because you can then exchange spare parts with each other. You can then help each other out. That's nothing to sneeze at either. Honestly, you can't go wrong with all those whoops. Because sooner or later you have to repair them all. Sometimes it takes longer, sometimes shorter. Basically, it's part of the hobby that you learn to repair and to solder..

[@steveastra4103]

@@butterflyfpv thanks for your quick response. I Think that I'll go with the 75pro then. Do you reccomend other goggles or controller, or are my choices good?(radiomaster pocket, eachine ev800) And saddly i have no friends who are into this hobby.

[@butterflyfpv]

​@@steveastra4103 Hey, yes your choises are good for the start. And if you know that you want to stay in the hobby, you can buy a better Google in the range between 400 and 700 dollars. You absolutely have to find the fpv friends. No matter whether real life or online. For example here in this Facebook group. Or on discord servers. facebook.com/groups/tinywhoop

[@steveastra4103]

@@butterflyfpv and i have one more question. Is the ev800d worth the extra 40 bucks? Whats the difference between the two? Thanks

[@butterflyfpv]

@@steveastra4103 oh sorry, I thought you had the ev800d. The difference is the diversity module. With the ev800d you have better reception. Better image transmission. Yes, the 40bucks plus is worth it. But not anymore since you already have the ev800, right? Now I would just fly with this and then buy an advanced 400-600 Dollar Googles later.

[@El_Muffy]

While u fly u already know where the obstacles are, right? It would be impossible to enter gaps in that way u do for example in the kids play area without seeing it

[@butterflyfpv]

Exactly! I fly there so often that I know everything inside out and a 3D map of the area has been created in my brain.

[@Son1c55]

Hi, i order my first fpv drone like 1 week ago, the meteor 75 pro, i see many video and your is very fast, u have customize your meteor 75 pro? You think my kit to start is good? RadioMaster Pocket Eachine EV800DM Meteor 75 pro Nice vid =).

[@butterflyfpv]

Hey, yes your start kit is good! And even the stock 75 pro is good! Here you can see my 75 Pro modifications: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHSUl3anq7Z-Z6s

[@davidticaciuc2889]

Hello nice vid! I'm a beginer in fpv! I have a setup can you tell me how it is or what should I upgrade? Thanks! My setup(250$): 1. Betafpv 2 SE 2. Betafpv VR03 3. Betafpv Air75 (or meteor 75 pro idk whats better) 4. Betafpv 6 ports for 1s battery 5. 8 Lava 1s 550 mah 75c battery What do you think?

[@butterflyfpv]

Hello. Thank you for the feedback! 1. Ok. 2. Not good. I don`t like them (range and ergonomics). Here I would recommend you to buy better googles. And preferably a professional one (500-800 dollars). And otherwise at least better beginner googles. The Eachine EV800D is supposed to be ok. But take a look at a few reviews on KZbin. 3. Both ok (75 Pro if you plan to fly more outdoors) 4. The vifly whoop stor 3 v3 6 ports 1s lipo charger is a better option here because of the storage charge/discharge function (You always have to bring your lipos up to voltage if you don't need them for more than three days) 5. Good Lipos! Lava 1S 550mah is good for 75 Pro (450mah for better power to weight ratio). Lava 1S 450mah is good for Air75. Hope this helps! Happy flying! Check out my tutorial "how to fly fpv"! kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKfNoqaDhK6Lh9U

[@davidticaciuc2889]

@butterflyfpv If I wasn't broke I would rather to buy skyzone or walksnail. I am like just a kid and this is the only I can afford.

[@butterflyfpv]

@@davidticaciuc2889 But analog is much better for performance because of the much lower weight! It`s better to build up your flying skills. Let`s goooo!💪🤜🤛

[@davidticaciuc2889]

@@butterflyfpv Thanks man ! You know what? I think I will wait like a year more or so , but with more budget i will buy a better setup! (HGLRC Draknight RadioMaster pocket crash Toolkit Rc M4 compact charger GNB 720mah battery 2pcs. Eachine EV800DM GEPRC FLYBAG Lete know if it is good!)

[@butterflyfpv]

@@davidticaciuc2889 Nooooo! Better Tiny whoop now! You can learn a lot in one year!

[@im_ricebowl]

Great video fam! I was actually just thinking about the air75 and 75pro awhile ago since I honestly really love the 75pro and I hope the air75 lives up to at least what its meant to be XD. 75 is honestly a weird gray zone since we have 65 that is really convenient for indoors and 85 for outdoors. I agree with all your statements though I think, after some time like the 75 pro, tunes and mods can be made for the air75 as well. Will it be as good as the mods for the 75pro? only time will tell ;). I also tell people triblade on a 75 is really nice especially for indoors but most people just tell me biblades is the way to go - something I actually hated on the hachidorii v2. I also do think that overall, the 75 pro has a better position in the whoop world since its overall construction and performance is exceptional - its also not trying to be a 65 that needs to be extremely lightweight But I will say that, if the air75 actually performs really good and beyond our expectations, that's going to be a very compelling argument to get it XD Love the content as always fam!

[@butterflyfpv]

Thank you my whoop engineer friend! 😀Exactly! Yes thats true with the gray zone for 75mm class. For me the 75mm size class is the best allround class. 80mm and bigger more for outdoor. And 65mm for indoor only. In my opinion. And I like tri blade props too on all my whoops. Bi-blade props only for crazy lightweight builds (sub 15.5g 65mm, sub 20g 75mm). Honestly, I don't think the Air75 flies any better than we expect. It certainly flies well like the 75 Pro. But I personally wouldn't buy it because I want motors with more kv. At least 25000kv on 75mm whoops. That's why I prefer to build a whoop myself out of parts. But as I said and as you also say: Both whoops are certainly among the best BNFs on the market...

[@im_ricebowl]

@@butterflyfpv Agreed on the biblades. I think we both like the yaw authority that triblade gives XD. Not gonna lie, im really mostly just looking forward to the new aio XD. the diamond F4 is slowly running out where I live and im hesitant to get the superx. Hope we both get to try the air75 tho soon! would love to see how it performs especially up against our custom builds.

[@velocistafpv]

Can u share ur thoughts on 65mm vs 75mm? Just got the Air65 for fun. Thinking of having a 75mm in the near future too.

[@butterflyfpv]

Yes thats easy. 65mm is more agile and 75mm more flighttime but less agile. And maybe you need a little bit throttle expo / throttle mid or throttle cut scale for the 75mm for more easy throttle control indoors.. Both are good whoops for indoor! But if you are ok with the flighttime of your 65mm then you don`t need the 75mm.. In some situations with some flight styles the flighttime is almost the same. And the durability is also about the same. Maybe the 65mm is a litte bit more durable (especially the canopy because of the lower all up weight of the 65mm)

[@velocistafpv]

@@butterflyfpv Thanks, appreciate it!

[@butterflyfpv]

@@velocistafpv You are welcome! Thank you for your thrust in my experience!🤜🤛

[@Dr.FreakFpv]

Wieder gut Infos👍👍👍 mal ne Frage welche UAV presets benutzt du🤔

[@butterflyfpv]

Hey danke! Ich habe kein preset benutzt, ich habe alles von hand gemacht. Hab mir alles vom video von uav tech abgeschaut..

[@Dr.FreakFpv]

@@butterflyfpv ahhh danke so habe ich das auch gemacht😊 plus seine whoop für 1+2 s presets Bin ja zufrieden wollte aber vorsichtshalber halber fragen😁 Das anlöten der Motoren ist echt cool bis auf so fritzelig🤪 FC mit 0,5 mm liegt hier schon warte noch auf den 80 mm Rahmen von Happymodel da sollte der x12 FC so passen Da kommen dann die Beta 1102 rein😄 Noch ne Frage Heizung bist du schon weiter🤔 PS die Amis Finde es schade das du auf der andern Seite der Welt wohnst😄

[@butterflyfpv]

@@Dr.FreakFpv 👍👍🤜🤛 Ja voll das anlöten der motoren ist ein bisschen nervig, aber es lohnt sich😃 Ah cool! Stimmt ich habe auch gesehen das happymodel einen 80mm frame gemacht hat. Denn muss ich auch mal bestellen.. Heizung bin ich leider noch nicht weiter wegen anderen Projekten. Bin gerade in zusammenarbeit mit VCI um einen neuen Motor zu entwickeln. Hehe ja ich auch, es hat ein paar coole whooper bei den Amis. Aber auch hier in europa wie du und chris usw. 😀🤜🤛

[@Dr.FreakFpv]

@@butterflyfpv ohh danke für das lob😇 uhh da bin ik auf die motoren gespannt 👍👍👍 bei dem wetter heizung nicht so wild ik stecke sie mir 5 min vor fliegen oben in die socken hilft auch schon😂😂

[@butterflyfpv]

@@Dr.FreakFpv Ja voll sag nix! Bei uns grad fast schon perfekte lipo temperatur draussen xD noch nicht ganz.. noch etwa 7 grad mehr und dann wär es perfekt.. haha voll körperwärme ist auch schon gut.. mach ich manchmal auch.. Lipos ausbrüten xD

[@junkthe]

Need to know if both 75whoop able to fly 2S Li-HV ? would be great Video. And fly D8 ? And is it possible to fly invert frame ?

[@butterflyfpv]

I don`t know exactly what you mean. No they are 1S only. Puher configuration is possible yes. Wahtsch my other videos and video descriptions about pusher topic.

[@junkthe]

@@butterflyfpv if pusher only were not interested here, were looking the 1-2S Solution for 75mm whoop, and also if any frame designed as pusher. If any of your video of our demand, available let us know.

[@butterflyfpv]

@@junkthe It`s hard for me to understand what you mean. Maybe I can help you with my experiences with pushers. And no, there is no 75mm lightweight pusher frame on the market right now. You can buy an emax tiny hawk 2 or 3. But it`s heavy. But it is Pusher and it is 1-2S! Advantages and disadvantages of a pusher configuration in short (Updated 11.1.24): Advantages: - Nice "side grip" flight feeling - Good throttle control (at least a different throttle feeling and lower hover point) - The Throttle is tamed (maybe helpful on a 2S whoop) - Less or no Prop/Duct in view Disadvantages: - Lower efficiency (lower flight times) up to 25% less efficient and sometimes higher! (depends on frame/strut/duct design and weight of the build, lower weight is better) - Less thrust - Less topspeed - More noise - Difficult to implement in normal whoop frames - Needs some pid tuning (?) - Needs a frame with few and thin struts (happymodel V4 frame) - Often higher weight of the build compared to puller configuration (doesn't have to be but can) - Starting the whoop is sometimes not possible for example outdoors on gravel or in the grass - Greater risk of ESC burnout (when starting the drone) - Poorer cooling. Higher temperature of the flight controller (approx. 75 degrees Celsius). In my case with 25mw vtx transmission power there were no problems. But higher transmission powers could lead to maybe to much heat Possible uses for the pusher configuration: - Lightweight 1S whoop build for very narrow and technical indoor tracks with very small gates - Lightweight 2S whoop (pusher configuration to tame the throttle a bit)

[@chrisbee5481]

Wie findest du die neuen HQ 45mmx3? Übrigens ist der neue betafpv 4in1 air aio FC der hammer. Mein letzter happymodel 5in1 aio ist kaputt gegangen und habe zufällig einen Ersatz FC mit dem betafpv air 65 mit bestellt. Der air65 race ist mein neuer indoor liebling. Meine skills sind gut, aber nicht ganz wie deine racing skills. Finde den 65mm viel kontrollierbarer im wohnzimmer und es kann nicht so viel kaputt gehen. Vielleicht muss ich beim 75mm nochmal den tune bzw powrr bissl runter kastrieren

[@butterflyfpv]

Hey danke für die Infos! Habe die HQ 45mm leider noch nicht gekauft weil es sie noch nicht auf aliexpress gibt. Und bei den shops hierzulande mag ich keine bestellung machen nur wegen einer sorte props. Aber irgendwann werde ich sie noch kaufen. Mit den betafpv 45mm bin ich jedoch sehr zufrieden. Die gemfan 45mm hab ich aktuell nur drann weil ich keine beta 45mm mehr habe.. Ja voll das glaub ich dir! 65Air Race ist sicher ein toller whoop! perfekt für inoor im wohnzimmer. 75er sind da schon ein bisschen schwieriger zu fliegen. Aber mit throttle expo, throttle MID und Throttle cut scale kann man das gas auch beim 75er gut einstellen. Dann fliegt er fast wie 65er. Nicht ganz, aber auf jeden fall besser kontrollierbar..

[@chrisbee5481]

@@butterflyfpv ich würde dir ja 45mm props im Brief schicken, hab aber keine mehr. Hol dir welche von DFR bei Gelegenheit. Vllt finde ich auch welche für dich woanders

[@butterflyfpv]

@@chrisbee5481 No Problem! Ehrlich gesagt kann es fast nicht viel besser als die Beta 45mm props werden. Zumindest für die 1102 22000kV Motoren. Mit mehr kv wäre vielleicht noch weniger pitch optimal. Aber für die 22k motörchen sind die Beta 45mm props echt schon top. Sie sind haltbar und performen gut.

[@chrisbee5481]

@@butterflyfpv Ich habe noch einen meteor 75 pro gebaut, nur mit rcinpower 1002 19000kv Motoren. Der fliegt mindestens genau so gut, bilde mir ein sogar vllt ein ticken besser. Liegt aber wahrscheinlich daran, daß er bissl weniger Power hat und kontrollierbarer ist. Natürlich auch leichter mit 29g Der ist mit den hq 45mmx3 besser. Kenne die berafpv 45mm. Finde die auch die besten.

[@KevFPV]

The Air 75 is amazing!

[@butterflyfpv]

Yes. The 75 Pro too.. Both are good whoops.. You can`t go completely wrong with both of them..

[@KevFPV]

Absolutely, the 75pro is fantastic too🫠 I'm going to convert mine to the Fractal Engineering 75mm frame. I'm in love with the Air75 and the Air65; those two are really awesome!🔥

[@butterflyfpv]

@@KevFPV A little tip: The 1102 22000kv motors of the 75 Pro are unfortunately not very stable in open prop applications because the motor bell is in two parts. It's a split bell. Unfortunately not a unibell. It`s ok for whoops. But not very durable in open prop applications if you crash often..

[@KevFPV]

Good morning ButterflyFPV, thanks for the tip!🤗 I was actually thinking about the 1002 _ 23500KV yesterday instead of the 1102 from Betafpv. The frame I have in mind is the Fractal 75 - Frame Kit I’m sure you know that frame, it’s the carbon frame where you mount the whoops (Mob 7 V4 frame). I’m just a bit unsure about how to mount the separate VTX.🫡 I really enjoy building and soldering, which is why I want to convert this 75pro.

[@butterflyfpv]

@@KevFPV Oh another tipp: Rcinpower 1002 22000kv do have more power than the robo 1002 23.5k (somehow). Rcinpower 1002 22k motors are the most powerful motors on the market. Powerful but still efficient! Thats a rare combo in the motor world! Yes the fractal frames are nice! I mount each of my separate VTXs with a thin double-sided adhesive tape. And then two drops of uhu poor glue (or other contact glue). However, this only works if you only fly with 25mw vtx power. Otherwise the glue on the vtx will burn..