Should You Leave Teaching?

There was a question in our Facebook group, Real Rap with Reynolds Teacher Talk, about whether or not someone should leave teaching. There was a ton of feedback by teachers that were talking about leaving their schools, feelings of guilt for doing so, and educators that were thinking of leaving the profession all together.
I wanted to add to the conversation, so here's my response.
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[@cliffordjackson897]

My first year was brutal. Fights in my classroom, kids throwing stuff at me. I got hit in the head with a pencil stub that just missed my eye. Sometimes I shut my door and cried between classes. My second year was also brutal but slightly better. Different school. In September a district suit for the charter school told me I'd be burned out by thanksgiving. I finished the year and never missed a day. And I had fewer fights and nothing thrown at me. Third year, third school, marginally less brutal. No fights, nothing thrown at me. Still really tough year. I came in at halloween with a class that had had subs all year. At the end of that year a kid emailed me thanking me for never giving up on their class. I'm in my sixth year, my fourth at my present school. Every year is a little better. Last Spring my students beat the averages for the district and the feeder pattern and my grade/subject level on the end of the year test. I still have a lot of room to improve. Classroom management is still not my forte. But I'm really really stubborn and I have a good group of fellow teachers to go to for advice. In the words of Churchill "Never, Never, Never give in." Read a new book, find a new article. Don't give up. Because there is a kid in your class who is going to see that you didn't give up on them, and they're going to learn from that. They may not tell you, but they will see it. And maybe someday it will give them the strength to not give up.

[@RngerDngerCUSE]

I’m a brand new teacher. Switched careers into teaching after losing my job after Covid. I teach in an inner city school, and after only a few weeks I am already feeling unsure whether I made the right choice. The level of disrespect from students toward teachers is astounding. Barely any support from admin and each day seems to be getting worse and worse. Not sure what to do because I just spent a ton of money getting my masters in education.

[@melted900]

As someone who is also a brand new teacher, I understand where you're coming from. I teach in a pretty diverse area with plenty of low-income students, students from broken homes, or students who speak very little English. While I have enjoyed working with my 8th graders, you're right when you mentioned that students can often be disrespectful or disregard authority. Whether or not you quit is entirely up to you. I try to remember that a lot of these kids genuinely are good at heart, and that around 98% of my discipline issues probably stem from attention-seeking behaviors. However, if you are often going home feeling emotionally exhausted, and you never feel comfortable in your position, that's when you should consider changing your mind about it. If you try to stay, my advice is to try not to take things too personally. Even in high school, if a kid insults you they are usually not thinking about what they are saying.

[@danielgallardo7249]

Build relationships with those students. Choose your battles carefully and ignore the smart allick remarks. Maintain focus and continue with your lesson plans with determination. The students will surely follow.

[@robertjason9795]

Teaching is tough. Students are not taught the respect that my generation (X) was taught at home. These days it seems parent/child relationships are on a peer level, rather than parents raising children. A few insights I learned from teaching at a tier 2 school in a district with the highest percentage of ACES students in my state: • It will take time to earn their respect/trust. If they've been let down all their lives by the adults in their lives, it will take them some time to trust you • Curriculum is secondary (for right now). It's cliche, but "they don't care how much you know until they know how much you care." Build relationships as best you can and let them see you have their best interest in mind-you are trying to help them become better versions of themselves • Don't push them too hard (for now). Let them know what's expected, and you're there to help them succeed, but whether they engage is THEIR choice (you can't make them, and it doesn't work out well if you try to) I still have a lot to learn in this area, but I do know that when I stopped caring about how well we were getting through the curriculum, what the test scores were, and whether I was "a good teacher," and started meeting traumatized students where they were at, my stress level dropped significantly and I started making connections with the students.

[@bluegnoll4515]

I am in the exact same 'boat'. Not for long. No amount of "relationship building" will effectively combat the culture of disrespect. There are other avenues you can pursue with your masters

[@carlosvazquez8330]

@@danielgallardo7249 bro said this like it’s easy and not something we already have tried multiple times 💀💀

[@LuvSoundz]

I’m burned out and its only been a month! Tired of the politics, tired of the extra work, tired of the lack of boundaries, the cognitive overload, tired of spending my own money. Completely overwhelmed. And Im at a new school this is my 10 year starting. Completely over it. I love the kids but I cant take this anymore. Over it I need a change, I need out of the classroom, praying and hoping for the best

[@Calcifurr]

I’m in the same boat. Where are you now??

[@johnlopez3996]

Before I started teaching back in 1992, I wrote a letter to my former third grade teacher for advice. He wrote," If you really want to teach, make a firm resolve not to let anything stand in your way." Find the educational family that will bring out the best in you. Hang in there, everybody. Thank you for your video presentation, C.J. Take care.

[@CJReynolds]

Anything John Lopez says is GOLD. Screen shot it and keep for when you need a boost.

[@WheelgunsOnWheels]

Spot on man! 18 years ago I was on committees, ran three clubs, chaired an honor society, and had an open door policy. Now I’m old and beat up, been burned a few too many times by transient admins, and frankly don’t have the same energy so I’ve minimized my time at work and dramatically reduced by extracurricular participation and am aware that I’ve got to retire before my candle gets down the the cake. I always appreciate your wisdom and your validation. Thank you a thousand times over. 🕯️

[@nwallace92]

Just got a job offer outside of teaching. I’m so ready to leave. My mental and physical health hasn’t been well because of it. I’m glad for this needed change.

[@jerseygirl9402]

Great advice. Year-one teacher and I needed to hear this. Thanks, Reynolds.

[@torialaez4164]

I just resigned after 9 years my last day oct 21. I finally worked in special education last year and enjoyed it. But because I have a dual language degree I was moved again. Every year for the past 4 years a different grade. I can’t keep learning new curriculum and not getting the support I need with tech and figure things out all on my own. I also am going back to school for school psychology. I feel student need more help with mental health.

[@watcha0doing]

Woah! I’m a substitute and working towards becoming a teacher through alternate route. So I’m confused as to how they can keep moving you around like that… is there very little say you have on the grade or area you teach?!

[@WaskiSquirrel]

This was interesting. Back in 1998, I was one of 3 student teachers from the same college at a high school. One of us was excited until the next day when she was to take over her first class. She walked then. At the time, I thought that was awful, but now I realize that if she couldn't handle that, she would never have managed a classroom. I'm still teaching. I've lost touch with the other student teacher, but the last I knew, she was teaching. I've taught in a number of high schools in two states, but 17 in a single one. I eventually learned that "the grass is always greener" is not true. If I switch schools again, I need a true improvement: salary, courseload, or location. But to escape? No. Funny you mentioned "rural": I've been rural since I was born. I started in rural Pennsylvania and spent the last 23 years in rural North Dakota. My school district is larger than the state of Rhode Island, and only about 500 students K-12. I learned to work hard when I work, and to relax hard when I relax. I don't mix them. It was a hard lesson to learn, but made me a lot more effective. I can walk away from the school guilt free. And, no, I don't limit my working to school hours. But I have learned to limit those hours. I need my own time.

[@CJReynolds]

This is all really great advice. Thanks so much for sharing!

[@heatherroberson1521]

Hello, God is and will continue using you and your love of teaching. It sounds like it was a tough situation to be in and not a decision you took lightly. I’m a 20 year homeschool veteran mom finishing cert and returning to the workforce. Your’s and Ms. May’s videos have been my “pep talk” as I completed school. Prayers appreciated for the right school and people! Feeling excited and scared! Keeping you and your family in prayer! Warmly, Heather

[@melted900]

As someone who has wanted to teach English since I was in seventh grade, this first month of teaching my 8th graders has been full of ups and downs. It's difficult to look at all the positive things sometimes, and it can be easy to focus on the wrong decisions made in a day, or on the kids with behavior problems. However, as I get further into the year, I have been developing deeper relationships with my students, and it's started to become more satisfying. On the first day of school, I had a feeling that I will eventually belong here, but that I just need to get better at this.

[@dreamerjazz352]

A teaching career is a dream for me now. I used to be a dishwasher; no more! I just started my Elementary Education program and it's pretty cool. I'm a musician and I've always felt like a teaching would make a good harmony with my musical work. My supervisors keep telling me to bring the music into the classroom... So I will! I feel like they keep pushing me to progress in the program lol, I think because of the teacher shortage. People come and people go, but I'm humble with what I have in life and I'd be grateful to be a teacher.

[@CJReynolds]

That’s awesome! Our Facebook group would be a great resource for you as you get started. I’ll leave the link below✌🏽 facebook.com/groups/566468247135630

[@dreamerjazz352]

@@CJReynolds Thank you for this!

[@atschram]

On the subject of moving to a better school: it won’t always be a “better” school. If district admin decide to change leadership at your school that “better” can go out the window fast…

[@Wingfeatherfan]

I’m a 32-year veteran of Spanish classroom teaching. It’s been my privilege to help English-speakers and Spanish-speakers understand one another. It’s part of my calling. Early in my career, an older educator gave me advice that has proven wise: If you feel like quitting, change what you teach, change your grade level,

[@hillcatrogers9086]

I am in my fifth year of teaching, but I have never felt called to teach. It is my job but not a passion. Nevertheless, it has its rewards and its taught me a lot. I look forward to taking that knowledge and applying it to my new career in a couple of years.

[@samquanz2025]

I've been teaching for 3 years now and it certainly hasn't been easy. With COVID, online learning, teachers complaining and burning out and student who only care about technology, I have also had my doubts about it. Hard to stay positive when there is a lot of negativity out there. Good though to reflect on small successes during the day and the impact you really are making (lots of people in the community appreciate everything teachers do).

[@Goblin_Tank]

I've learned that I pretty much only see the squeaky wheel in my classes. We all have that kid that is difficult to work with. I decided that I will search for that one kid that needs a handshake or a thumbs up with a little encouragement. It's these kids that need us. Hang in there, I hope you find peace.

[@CJReynolds]

Thanks for the good work you are doing Sam! ☺️

[@davidm4566]

Teaching was much easier before covid. I hope it will go fully back to normal.

[@DiamondFlame45]

Short answer yes. As a former teacher, the current climate is not worth it. If you want to try teaching, substitute or tutor online for a bit. Honestly, there are so many opportunities to grow professionally outside education especially in the current learning and development space in corporate. You can still teach outside a k-12 setting! Teachers shouldn’t limit themselves to education because the grass is greener on the outside and they carry transferable skills. No one wants to be a martyr for the kids anymore. You shouldn’t sacrifice your well-being being for them either. The kids will be fine either way.

[@naduellab]

This is where I am right now. I changed careers in 2017 and went and got my Masters to teach K-6. I felt the call since I was little. I have not taught for a year and although I miss the classroom, I don't feel the same call. My teacher friends are all stressed and it's making me anxious. I recently thought that maybe I should sub while working my second job. Maybe it will help me decide if I should go back next year.

[@nanibuchanan7443]

I have started my 20th year of teaching and I am feeling that this may now be time to leave. I have always enjoyed being a part of supporting our future. However, teaching feels much more overwhelming and quicker to burnout. I wish to continue my work but not at the expense of my peace and health. I told myself years ago if I ever become the "get off my lawn kids," grump teacher, this would be a sign to tag in the new generation of teachers. Needless to say, I find myself checking my lawn daily.

[@carolinec8804]

Awesomd video, thank you 😍

[@CJReynolds]

Happy to do it! ✌🏽

[@minabew]

As a college student studying to become a teacher, it worries me just how many educators are leaving the field or are unsatisfied with their career path.

[@DiamondFlame45]

You can still teach outside of public education! Teachers shouldn’t have these limiting thoughts! There is demand for learning and development specialists in instructional design, talent and development , software training in corporate! Don’t sell yourself short! If I would do things differently, I would have studied software engineering and learned some ID tools like camtasia and storyline! You got this.

[@Goblin_Tank]

It is spooky how much turn over there is. In Arizona the pay stinks and everyone is desperately searching for teachers. I look at it like this, I am needed and I need to be my best because these kids need me.

[@DiamondFlame45]

@@Goblin_Tank don’t sell yourself short. Look for better opportunities. The kids will be fine

[@perfectpraxiss3559]

It’s my first year and the 5th week in was the toughest. I cried the entire week because the lessons weren’t as popping as I thought, the kids were just being annoying and the paperwork kept piling up. Don’t feel bad for calling in on a Friday for a three day weekend. I did, and it helped my mental health immensely. I already had the best feeling in the world; a student that bounces from traditional to alternative school and ISS was so into an assignment he isolated himself with me and was asking me soo many questions that were great questions. He finished and started teaching his friends everything I just taught him. Even them asking me how my day is going and getting to know them is worth it for me.

[@CJReynolds]

Lily, someone else’s experience can never for tell your own. There are wonderful schools out there. It’s important to find the best fit for you. ☺️

[@Goblin_Tank]

I am blessed because I love to teach. The true paycheck I get is way better than the physical one. I will admit though that I am terrified that I will loose my passion and be distracted by the drama, politics, and difficult age we live in. You said it best in one of your other videos Reynolds. I do this for the kids (I teach high school and am lucky to love it). If I lose that this job will be the worst thing in my life.

[@CJReynolds]

Love hearing that Judd. My best to you this year!

[@victoriaLL345]

Very useful!

[@chibi_cosplay7837]

I've wanted to do this for years! I've been doing this for 4 years now and I have never felt like I got it. Last year I finally felt like I found the place where I belonged, but now things have changed at the school I am at. The apathy for learning (I teach sophomore English) is SO disheartening. I feel like I come to school with passion and drive, but that has slowly been broken in me this year. I think I'm done teaching there, but not sure if moving to college level or something like that would be better or if I should try a different job. I have NEVER wanted to do something else, until this year. I'm starting to doubt myself, not because I don't think I can do this or the work load, but because the kids are not even trying to learn or grow. I feel little to no connection with them this year, and last year ( a different group of students) I was putting more effort into thing because I knew they were at least trying. They still come to see me and walk me to lunch everyday. They are the only reason I would regret leaving, but it's negatively affecting my health to stay. I'm really not sure what I or God is telling me to do. I just feel so lost and unsure about everything. Any advice?

[@heatheruiz]

I enjoy your videos, very helpful and inspirational. Are you still teaching in a classroom? In PA?

[@carlosmunoz7829]

As a newcomer in teaching this year, at the beginning of the year I felt burnout after school especially because of 9° graders behavior. On the other hand, my 11° graders are so kind and special to me. I eve went to therapy seeking for some help on the matter. I knew since day one this would be a decisive year where I'll figure out whether I wanted to do this for the rest of my life or not. Similarly, my therapist asked me very early on the year if I had already answered that and that I should be considering that already. As the year went by, for me it stopped being about the students and more about the school itself. What do I mean? A lot of demands, requests, or school activities in no time or organization whatsoever. Now I am like do I really want to start over at a new school? I already enrolled for another BA that has nothing to do with Education but everything to do with expanding my horizon with the English language. I feel like I am not accomplishing anything ,and I want to do something bigger than myself if that makes sense. We'll see how things go. Greetings from Panama! 🇵🇦

[@Niamirismom]

Hello my friend! I miss you and my online teacher community. I was badly hacked, but I am here still teaching, still quitting in my head daily. Lol. ❤️

[@CJReynolds]

Hey there!!!!! SO good to see you. Everyone seems to be getting hacked lately. I hope you and the family are doing great!❤️

[@pleasesayhi4009]

I taught online 3.5 years, subbed for a year, and took my first teaching job in August. I gave my two weeks' notice two weeks later, and I'm really doubtful as to whether I'll finish getting my teaching certificate.

[@joojangmi8702]

Let's see if anyone can top this. I have been working as a teacher for eight years now. I teach English as a foreign language (i.e., English is the third language in my country). There are at least 40 students in every classroom aged from 16 to 21 years old, they sit practically next to one another as the rooms are relatively small in comparison to their number. Students have a bad attitude because of their overwhelming schedules (they study from 8 am to 4:30 pm every day, five days a week) they genuinely think that going to school is worthless and doesn't secure their future financially (which I believe is true by the way). I might be a veteran as a teacher, however, I still struggle to keep them interested. I have no materials to make my courses more engaging and more entertaining for the bunch of ungrateful brats that I know are here just to get into fights with the teachers. Only 30% are interested. I've put a lot of effort in order to be a good teacher. I am a nice and caring person and I always want what is best for others. The students' misbehaving made me feel underappreciated and unvalued which led me to hate being a teahcer. I am truly saddened to admit that I hate the students, I don't care about them, and I don't want to deal with them at all. In fact, I came to hate kids in general because of what I have experienced with them at school and I do not want to have children of my own. I am tired and stressed all the time and getting up in the morning to go all the way to school has become a burden. Sometimes I wish that I wouldn't wake up so that I wouldn't have to go to a place I've come to despise so much. you would think that this would stop at some point, but each and every year they (the students) come back. I have come to the conclusion that teachers have become jailers. Schools are jails. they just want us to keep the brats off the streets and out of their homes since neither the government nor their families can control them. I still have some debts to pay, I will quit as soon as I get my debts paid. I do not fit as a teacher as I no longer care about the students. (I hate kids)

[@carlosvazquez8330]

Jesus bro

[@judilopez1811]

Whoa. Bold statement. Harsh, but I understand. I subbed while I was working on my degree and got a peek of a day in the life of a teacher. I was a good sub. I practiced my management skills, and I liked it. But....was glad to leave when the bell rang and did not have to grade or lesson plan or prepare for an observation where they pick out everything you are doing wrong.

[@greencandyy6632]

I can understand your situation and how you feel. It sounds like you have tried and tried to give your best to the students but you don’t get the same response or respect in return. It is frustrating because your job is to give but when the students don’t take, it leaves you feeling like there is no value in what you are working towards, and you just want to help them. Now you feel discouraged, tired, and no longer care. I’m a second year college student considering teaching as a future career but I don’t think I can last. I get stressed and anxious easily so having to manage so much things and to sacrifice all of the time is going to lead to a quick burnout. I’m considering nursing. Hoping God to guide my path because I don’t know what to do with my life. Anyway, take care, teacher. May God guides you. He cares for you. Jesus loves you.

[@joojangmi8702]

@@greencandyy6632 thank you for you kind words, but as you said god (who is supposed to love us as you might think) gives us life that we don't know what to do with. I am in my thirties and I have no idea how i am supposed to live a life that i had never asked for. Compared to all the galaxies and what is going on in space, i don't think that me being alive is relevant ... none of this matters, and if god truly exists then he is awfully silent and indifferent to our problems.

[@dorianmac7466]

Okay take a deep breath. Your feelings about those ungrateful brats are justified. I know. You can leave teaching , get a better job and a better life. Do it. And don't be mad at God; ask Him to help; just because you don't know what to do with your life now, does not mean you won't find a good path. Seriously.

[@DiBy-0]

The five words you should never welcome hearing as a teacher, "we want to support you." It doesn't mean what you think it does.

[@silvermont331]

Im my opinion, teachers need to work with parents, educate them, give the therapy bc however children behave @ school has to do in how or what kind of education they have at home 🏠 so build up a program for parents buzz it out! So many broken families @ home which impacts in student learning .. so help those parents first then their kids.

[@FulieJoos]

I do a lot of parent phone calls. That tends to help with disrespectful students.

[@CJReynolds]

100%!

[@monicaokungbowa4246]

This is my third year and it is clear that admin and coworkers do not care and give you the “toughest” students and plan to give you min support. It seems like you have to stay at a school 9+ years to finally get the better class, more support, and you actually know the curriculum. But it’s so hard to do that when you might want to switch grades and you start at the bottom again. 😅

[@CamCat13]

I used to think that I wasn't ready for the education system. I've come to the conclusion that the education system isn't ready for me.

[@driftsc2gaming779]

Something that I am curious about is why do teachers leave teaching entirely, when many of them who hold masters degrees could find a position at like a junior or community college level?

[@esmeraldaelliott6471]

The irony is that I didn’t have a calling. I fell into working as a paraeducator and for the last 12 years I’ve learned so much. The good and the bad. I know I’m missing in the in between. I’m leaving CA to finish my credential in Tennessee. Not sure how that will go since CA is so diff. However, the small class sizes seems like it’s more effective. I’ve dining in to districts all over to find a maybe good fit and work as a para and feel it out. I pray that God guides me to the right place where I’m of value. I’m bilingual and im already jaded so it can only get better, right!?

[@31415926535equalspi]

Wow, you haven’t done lesson plans in a decade? I’d really like to hear more about that.

[@CJReynolds]

Nope. Teachers with two years or less of experience need to though. The rest of us develop unit plans and curriculum maps that are looked over and developed with our curriculum head and department head.

[@whatthehellislife7962]

I'm only teaching because i simply can and need the money, but it's not something i give my heart to. I always wanted to be a surgeon and I'm still studying for it while teaching English at the same time.

[@legocafe8920]

As a second year teacher, I am already feeling the burnout. Some of the kids in the class are just so disinterested in learning. All they care about is going home and playing Fortnite and other video games. Nothing I do engages them and as a result, they act out because they are “bored”. I entered the profession because I wanted to truly teach and make a positive impact…instead I feel like I’m expending most of my energy on trying to manage the classroom but failing miserably.

[@i_wonder1967]

I been teaching for years. Now it seems like I am quitting this job.

[@arynstack264]

Rap, where are you getting the 26% of teachers since August left education stat?

[@aknudsen93]

I've been teaching for 16 years. I'm an early childhood teacher. I taught primary for 2 years. As much as I loved teaching, physically I am so drained from all the crazy expectations. I'm in a disrict that is running mini-kindergarten classes. This is not early childhood education. I have a violent 4 year old students who punches and kicks with no support. I'm so tired from giving all of the time, not making a living wage and having administraors that don't know what they are doing. If I had a child I would ask them not to go into education. It has changed so much for the worse since my parens taught and since I started.

[@word710]

Five weeks in to year two and I just feel so exasperated. I have no friends and I’m always tired and depressed and lonely. I can’t be what my students need me to be. I’m not a bad teacher but I’m not good either. I was at school for six hours this Saturday and I’m still not done. Lessons that take me forever to plan are called boring by students. I don’t know what else to do. I’m not sure what I’m even good at anymore if anything. I thought I loved English and I still do, but I’ve learned teaching is more about the kids than the subject. Turns out dad was right: English is a crappy major where you don’t learn anything that matters to anyone. And I’m so bad at relating to my kids. I’m an introvert and they all hate me except for a few of the introvert students. Feels so bad. Really want to quit but not sure what else there is. Feel so lost.

[@pazuzu126]

No, your dad is wrong, English has the power to change lives and I am so grateful for the teachers I had in school who were passionate about it. When I was starting out as a teacher, I felt exactly like this. A few things that happened with the kids and their behavior I took so personally that there were weeks I could barely eat anything because my stomach was in knots. It is too easy to doubt yourself in this profession and to feel like you aren't good enough, very often we don't get the support we need and are painfully under appreciated. If it is not working for you at this school, as Mr. Reynolds says, go where the grass is greener. I have been in places that were so bad, where admin treated my like garbage and I just wanted to die. What I did was to move on, there are jobs out there where you can feel encouraged and appreciated and people understand that happy teachers will make happy students. Sometimes jobs are good for a while and then they turn toxic and then you have to move on again. Just remember to have your own self interest in mind at all times and what your needs are. If your needs are not being met, it's time to find ways, either by moving to another place or making time for yourself. I have been down there in the depths, and trust me it is not permanent. Things can get better.

[@word710]

@@pazuzu126 Thanks for the insight, friend.

[@greencandyy6632]

Thank you for sharing. I’m a second year college student who is still unsure about what career to pursue. I’ve thought about teaching and is currently taking some intro to teaching classes rn, but I have till the end of this month to decide on a major. The classes are easy because the knowledge for teaching is so vague and infinite, but there is just so much responsibility to be aware of and the endless different approaches required to support all students and scenarios is impossible to follow. I don’t think I can manage the weight, so I’m worried that my career will not last long. I’m considering nursing and it also caries a whole new set of responsibilities and weight. So just like any careers, they all have challenges. Anyway, hope you are taking care of yourself and realize that not everything is in your control so don’t stress yourself out. May God guides you to seek Him. He takes care of you. Jesus loves you.

[@Romey301]

Leve 🙌👏

[@Vapor_Man650]

Left teaching and I never looked back. Now I make more money and am happier

[@PatrickKuhlen]

I know that guy.

[@LLS710]

Could someone kind of summarize this guy?

[@marcmeinzer8859]

Everyone should quit. Nobody learns anything in school anyway. Everybody should watch the videos online on the topic of UNSCHOOLING. Teachers get treated like imbeciles and losers to just quit. Even if you become a garbage truck driver still you should just quit.

[@neonbenthic]

O man just leave, its so much better not being in the classroom for my health.

[@monkeybunny89]

let's be honest here. unless you REALLLLLLY want teaching NOOOOOOOO LOL.