Should you record on the ATEM Mini or use an external HDMI recorder?

[@tzi9608]

On the ISO models, the individual ISO recorded files are at the highest quality at all times, its only the mix that is recorded at the higher compressed streaming quality. So you can stream at a low quality, while still retaining the high quality to edit later.

[@iamteedoh]

How do I ensure that my timeline is using the ISO footage rather than the mixed footage so that when I export, I am getting the best quality on my final export? I feel like my export quality is poor before I even considering uploading it to KZbin. I export in H264 and/or H265 with Multi-pass encode Main10 at 90k Kb/s. I have my Quality in the ATEM set to Hyperdeck High but considering I am not streaming, I would expect that the ISO isn't affected by the quality and that I should be able to use these as the export source files?

[@martinXY]

Wow. That short sequence from 5:12 is simply the best and most succinct piece of video explaining the practical difference between low-bitrate h.264 and ProRes I have ever seen.

[@DanDeibert]

Two years later and I came here to say the exact same thing. :-)

[@joerama]

TY for locking key info in my brain - what works, the differences, and what is ‘enough’. Wunderbar!

[@PowerUpTraining]

This is so timely (I just upgraded this week from ATEM Mini Pro to ISO) for my KZbin recording. The Color Correction portion opened my eyes. Here is a great idea (at least for high-end Panasonics) Capture a segment in VLOG and then use your color grading tool of choice (Davinci Resolve for me) and make an in-camera viewing LUT. Apply that to your camera and now you get the flexibility and enhancement of color correction without the needed pixels as you demonstrated. Great for a studio environment where the lighting does not change from shoot to shoot. And the bonus is no work needed to color correct after ATEM recording!

[@PowerUpTraining]

Just an update. I did do some testing: 1) switched Lumix G series cameras to VLOG and recorded to the memory card. 2) Color graded the file in Davinci Resolve and 3) Exported the video screen color grade to a Lumix VLT file and uploaded to the camera, 4) turned on SCREEN LUT to HDMI on the camera and now, when running the ATEM ISO, I am getting already perfectly color graded files saved. These extra steps have just increased my productivity even more . . . my ATEM three-camera setup is instantly color graded and easy to create a multi-cam videos. BONUS, I liked this so much, I created a 2nd LUT VLT file that is color graded for my business ZOOM Meetings and so now I have more professional-looking meetings with my ATEM. All of this based on Aaron's excellent video and pointing out the downside of color correcting from the ATEM recorded files after being recorded. THANKS AARON . . your videos are excellent as always.

[@stephan-by8lt]

@@PowerUpTraining Hey, fortunately i just found your two comments, because i am searching for exactly this topic! I want to buy an atem iso but was wondering: what color-profile the hdmi signal has to be?! nobody talks about the hdmi-out settings of the cameras! My first thought was: set vlog to hdmi camera output and get it recorded by the atem to colorgrade it later in davinci OR set an already graded lut onto the screen hdmi! (as you luckily described it) I would like to ask you: when you set your graded lut to the hdmi camera out, is the videoimage already sharpen and noise-reduced (because you graded that within your lut) or does the atem does sharpening and noise-reduction by itself when processing and recording? And my second question: the atem says it uses the rec709 color profile. How does this affect your recording quality? When i would send vlog to the hdmi-out of the camera, would the atem apply that rec709 color profile to the video recordings? I would be soo happy when you might take a minute to help me out!!! i would appreciate it a lot! Big thanks in advance, cheers

[@PowerUpTraining]

@@stephan-by8lt first off, I am an amateur and have learned from the school of hard knocks and KZbin. It has taken over 24 months to get to a spot where I am pleased. My setup was complicated as I now have three identical Panasonic Lumix box cameras that I splice my youtube talking head videos, and getting them to perfectly match was challenging even with the same cameras and lights (getting less than 1/3 stop for lighting was my last challenge to solve.) In the end, I am pleased with the cameras, lights, and ATEM Mine Pro ISO. I take the recorded image and make no more color correction out of the camera. Both a time saver and a long-term solution for consistent results. What that meant was to get a solid VLOG out of one Lumix on a memory card (do start with full 4k files); then do ALL my color correction in Davinci Resolve, then export out to a Panasonic LUT file. EVERYTHING color and sharpness is done in Davinci (and the cameras have all similar settings for white balance and the same VLOG recording settings). Once I import the LUTs into the Panasonics via a memory card, I am then able to tell the camera to send the graded look out (a separate Lumix camera setting) through the HDMI, which then goes to the ATEM. The ATEM does not mess with the video coloring. And what I end up with a perfectly graded or, probably more accurately consistently graded results. No color correction is needed (and if you had to correct these ATEM 1080 files, they would not look good as Aaron explains). GET IT RIGHT in Davinci at the start. (Note that the camera is still in VLOG recording mode, it is just outputting through HDMI with the graded LUT.) One benefit is no longer shuffling memory cards in and out of the camera. Just work with the results out of the ATEM Mini Pro ISO Hope this makes sense. If you want to be horrified, look at the videos on my channel in the early days and then the last two or three where I believe I have worked out the kinks. The last set has NO color correction done after coming out of the ATEM Mini ISO. It has made my workflow so much less stressful!!! Here is an example (topic is GPT and Presentations) with the three Lumix BGH1 cameras using my graded LUTs to ATEM Mini ISO: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZe2nImIobCietE Good luck.

[@pretor706]

I finally understand a tiny bit more about the difference and capabilities. Thanks Aaron.

[@djp_video]

Don't forget that you can record to both at the same time so you have a safety backup.

[@computerjantje]

Or record in the camera's and on the Atem and on a external recorder and then you are using airplane redundancies :)

[@martinXY]

@@computerjantje As the Irish say, to be sure, to be sure, to be sure.

[@sjoerdkessels712]

Another advantage of the Atem ISO route is when you use BlackMagic cameras it is supereasy to replace the recordings with 4k BM Raw. They are auto synced. Camera recording is triggered through the Atem. And you just copy the raw files in the iso folder, open Resolve, en click one button in Resolve to tell it to use the raw files.

[@DocMicrowave]

Thanks for the video. I had had thoughts on the subject of which best, Quality or Convenience. You made me feel better about my ultimate decision. After I finally purchased an ATEM Extreme ISO SDI, I built a flypack around it that incorporated both an SSD USB drive for the ATEM Mini, and a Hyperdeck mini for program out recording. For events the Hyperdeck is my preferred main recorder, with the ATEM SSD being backup program and of course ISO recording. If I need to send in something quickly for a client, I'll use the ATEM recording because of the file size. If I have to do any serious editing and processing, then it is the Hyperdeck recording I work with.

[@evilevon]

Thank you for videos like this! You talk about things that I wonder about but no one else talks about. Seriously awesome 😀

[@KeepIt100Prod]

We are designing a new podcast studio, and your breakdown and explanation of this was so incredibly helpful! Just gave you a sub. Thanks so much!

[@jaymond80]

This is the video I was looking for. Thanks SO much for breaking this down!

[@mrheng562]

Solid advice. I’m totally eyeing the ISO models just to able to record multiple angles without having to pop in so many SD cards for file transfers and folder structure organization. One least step that helps speed up the post workflow. :)

[@barryobrien1890]

It's a bit like raw vs JPEG in the photography world. If the lighting and colors are good when shooting, there is little benefit, but when trying to really push a poorly lit or going for a cinematic grade in post then prores is your friend. In a studio, there is no excuse for bad light, which is a main use case. Venues on the other hand can be difficult to get good lighting and having more data is better, so consider recording in camera if it supports a better compression, and an external recorder, or work with venue lighting

[@aaronpk]

Raw vs JPEG is a great analogy!

[@KevinKolbe]

What a fantastic overview! I've had the ATEM Mini (the base one) for a while and just started using it again. Hadn't been crazy with the video recorded in some online software and was really looking into using an external recorder. Lots of great info to think about. Thanks!

[@numachurchnc]

I cannot get my Atem Mini Pro to record? Not sure if I am using the wrong recording device (Samsung T7)? But when I plug into the USBC it won't record.

[@BenjaminTemplar]

I use my ATEM Mini Extreme (not ISO) with an Atomos Ninja V and record in ProRes LT and I couldn’t be happier. The files are not huge at all in 1080 and LT. I do all my switching with an iPad mini and MixEffect Pro. Extra cameras ISOs means hours of editing in post. Not needed for what I produce.

[@alanmotiongraphics]

God this is by far the best video I´ve seen so far, so great explained, now i finally feel like I found what I´ve been searching for

[@aaronpk]

Glad it helped!

[@amydwight]

Thanks so much! This was exactly what I was looking for!

[@retlwiz]

Just make sure you thoroughly test whatever SSD drive you record onto on the ISO models. I just had a situation where I had to record ISO for hours at a time and the recording stopped every half hour. This was on my "trusty" Samsung T5. I then bought a San Disk Extreme, which stops recording at 10 minutes and also sends the ATEM crazy. I have done tests and talked to BM, who say my ATEM is fine and that drives can be unreliable, even if on their list of approved drives. I've had to buy a Wise drive (the ones BM use) which are more expensive, but I am hoping this will work....we shall see.

[@franciscojuarez4994]

Are your recording better quality recording to the San Disk or OBS?

[@computerjantje]

Am I the only one who still cannot handle (it totally distracts me from the content being said) that the talent is looking into the camera from one angle and then not from another angle? For me the talent has to watch into the camera from all angles(camera's) or never look into the camera which makes the viewer believe the talent is talking to a third person in the room. Maybe I am just too old to get used to this new and "strange" way of camera usage. Opinions please. Thank you for this video Aaron. The information is very useful and gave me new insights.

[@aaronpk]

It's definitely a stylistic choice. I keep the secondary angle shots short, but I like them because it gives the viewer a sense of the space I'm in.

[@arnoldsnodgrass2953]

You are not alone! It’s weird and distracting. I wish KZbinrs wouldn’t do it.

[@dennismbecker]

@@aaronpk I think if the second angle was a lot wider the viewer would get a sense of the space, but it's about the same focal length. Love your content though.

Thanks Aaron. Furthermore I don't understand why I should use this method at all if I only record the Video-Out. I don't speek of recording all the different camera-angles at the inputs of the ATEMs. I regularly use the small ATEM Mini and connect it to my laptop via Thunderbolt and record there with very acceptable reuslts. HDMI delivers 18 MBit/s, recording with 100 MBit/s is therefore no problem. Since I additionally record in the cameras I have the posssibility of editing later on. I don't need to copy all the SD-Cards to the editing system. Just the ones I need. The Qualitity of the recordings in the cameras fit to that in the laptop. So why should I invest into the Pro-Atems if I already have the functionality in my setup? And if I need more than 4 camera-Input: 2 of the small Atems also give 7 inputs and cost less than an Atem Extreme.

[@richardvandenboogaard8836]

If you combine the ISO recording feature in the Atem Mini (Extreme) ISO you can also choose to record natively in camera in BRAW quality and then use the resulting Davinci Resolve project to edit with the h264 files, which then act as a form of proxy files. By the time you hit the Color page, you can replace those "proxies" with the original BRAW files from the cameras and grade with impunity.

[@richardvandenboogaard8836]

Using this method, you can only record in BRAW in camera. BMD will not allow you to choose ProRes (even though the cameras support that as a codec).

[@utzulogigan2969]

@Aaron Parecki What do you think about using the very ATEM (ISO version) to record the better version by setting the HDMI 2 output to Program and connecting it to let's say Input 8 of the ATEM. Yes it'll show an infinite loop in M/V if input 8 is shown...but besides that do you see any problem with that? Thanks!

[@Generationstrengthbarbellclub]

I always learn so much from watching your videos. Thank you.

[@peterdams]

Great Video, thanks, Aaron! There is another advantage. When I edit i don't have to disconnect the disc from the ATEM, cause i can transfer the files via ftp.

[@aaronpk]

Great point!

[@sjoerdkessels712]

I do too. But with 8 channels of video on the extreme, that is a slow process. I wish you could tell the Atem which video inputs to record if you are not using all of them

[@ShervinShares]

that stand is so cool

[@IsraelAraujoBR]

Thank you very much for the review, it really helped me to choose what to buy.

[@davidestrin8535]

Great overview and answered lots of questions.

[@DarkHorseWorkshop]

Ive been waffling on getting the extreme iso for ages. I dont need that many hdmi ports i just want to record and stream at the same time which it seems you can only do on the absolute best one with 2 usb ports. Drives me a bit nuts.

[@MatthiasLenardt]

Thanks for sharing this overview 😉

[@djazz0]

Recording hdmi doesn’t let us use multiview, so… at church we use the stream feature of the atem mini pro to get a clean output recording to the computer (nginx rtmp). Although quality isn’t perfect, so are our cameras haha. VXF1 image quality leaves a lot to be desired.

[@pizzaandproperty1246]

Thanks Aaron thank was really helpful mate :)

[@jezzathenugget]

the video we were waiting for

[@tutorialesdemerenguesconluis]

Thank you Aaron! Super Video!!

[@thedcp]

Does the Atem Mini Pro ISO record both cameras onto one hard drive? If so what does it look like when you see it in the file? Is it separate files?

[@aaronpk]

Yeah! It'll record all 4 cameras as well as the main program feed, and also separate audio tracks from each input. So you end up with a bunch of mp4 and wav files in a folder structure. Check out this video, I talk more about my workflow with the ISO recordings here kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZLdoKJqi9F9fNk

[@RobertSababady]

@Aron - super informative video - thank you! Can you share your thoughts on getting redundancy into the records of the ISO extreme when running long events? Much appreciate your time and knowledge sharing!

[@computerspielakademie]

Very helpful. Thank you!

[@slavicshop2398]

Thank you! very infomrative video . The best out there

[@42north]

Hi Aaron thx for the video. when I push the record button to record to my Samsung ssd card it does not work. What should I do?. Also do i necessarily have to dowload the ATEM software control for the switcher to work? Thank you in advance.

[@scottdahm2589]

When recording ISO's and the program feed does your program recording have any digital block dancing artifacts on the left edge of frame? I'm using the Mini Pro SDI ISO model and when I record at 29.97 Hyperdeck high or medium I get dancing digital blocks along the whole left edge. Strange thing is the ISO records are perfectly clean. Blackmagic support told me my 2TB Samsung T5 SSD wasn't fast enough so I bought a 1TB SanDisk Extreme Pro 2000MB/s drive and it does the same thing. Blackmagic wants me to just record my program feed at the 6-9mbps streaming setting. If that's the only solution. That's a HUGE miss on Blackmagic's part. Who wants high res iso recordings with a defective program recording. That you MUST re-export out of resolve if you want a full res program record.

[@aaronpk]

That has happened to me too! But now I can't remember how I worked around it.

[@scottdahm2589]

Thanks for the reply!! It seems to be a common issue. Can't believe BM hasn't addressed it or fixed it. Others on a Facbook group I'm in for BM ATEM Switchers have the same issue and no one has a solution. Please let me know if you think of your solution! My only solution is to forego the ISO recordings and only record a program hyperdeck high file. And then record in camera ISOs. Defeating the purpose of the device unfortunately. @@aaronpk

[@TheMkala]

Wouldn't it be nice if the bottom section of the Atem Mini holder had a holder for the battery and the Atem Mini ran on that battery? Some kind of 3D printed holder for 18650 batteries.

[@MichaelZwahlen]

Aaron Parecki again a great video - so helpful! I started to do educational videos. Have had Atem mini. Sold it. Now wanna go atem mini iso. What do you recomm3nd? Iso Extrem or iso Pro?

[@aaronpk]

You can definitely do a lot with the Pro ISO, and the price is great. That said, the SuperSource feature of the Extreme is my favorite, and the 4 upstream keys and 2 downstream keys mean you can do so much with it! Whenever I switch from the Pro ISO to the Extreme ISO, I feel like I've suddenly moved into an apartment twice the size

[@HonestArttsEntertainment]

Upon my research, the iso file are recorded up to 70mbs separately from the streaming files.

[@aaronpk]

Yep, 70mbit target data rate but they are still VBR so if you are recording a computer screen with slides that don't change much the file will be a lot smaller than the camera angles

[@skakdosmer]

Watching on my iPad I didn't notice any quality difference at all. (I don't know if KZbin does any "quality boosting" or whatever). But what I did notice was that the "higher quality" recording had much less natural colours. Should I regret having bought only the basic Atem Mini? Thinking more closely, and considering the price difference, I think maybe not.

[@patrickpaganini]

Really good video, thanks! In general I'm not a fan of cutting between different angles on a single subject talking. I've never understood why it's so popular, because I always find it jarring and unnatural.

[@aaronpk]

Thank you! I try to film b-roll to cover up as much as I can of that, but I tend to prefer cutting between two angles over a jump cut or crop in on the same angle. I just don't always end up with enough b-roll content to cover all the seams, and i also prioritize highly edited dialogue at the expense of these cuts.

[@nestoraoc32]

Great explanation!

[@mikegeorge360]

Thank you! Question: The first shot shows a USB connected to the basic Mini model, but shortly after, you mention that the basic model does not support recording to a USB. To clarify, can I record to a USB using the basic model?

[@aaronpk]

Good catch! The base model doesn't have any recording features. That first shot was a mistake that I forgot to re-shoot before posting!

[@mikegeorge360]

@@aaronpk Okay, gotcha. This video is so helpful and perfect timing for me. I definitely appreciate you.

[@rdavmaldonado]

Hello! Thank you for your videos! I would like to know if I have the option of switching the USBC webcam output to HDMI and connecting it directly to a TV. Thank you from URUGUAY!!

[@marquesaninha]

Good evening Aaron! First I wanted to say that I love your videos, they are really good. I think the Atem extreme ISO records VERY large files. Do you know any way or configuration to record these videos at a smaller size? Thanks!

[@aaronpk]

Thanks! The ISO files are always recorded at 70mbit/s, and there's no option to change that. It's definitely a bit large, but it means you get good quality files to edit down later. The program file that's recorded is recorded at the same bitrate as your streaming setting, so if you're streaming at 6mbit/s, the program file will be a lot smaller than the ISOs. If you want to shrink the ISO files down in order to send them around for editing, you can use the (free) Blackmagic Proxy Generator App that comes with Resolve and you can convert them to h265 files which compress down a lot more.

[@RyanWeeden]

Great video! My biggest questions still-and maybe you can help clarify-1) how do you record through an HDMI out? (Would that be through an Atomos Ninja or something?) and 2) how do you record through the HDMI if you need that slot to control and connect to a MacBook Pro? I currently have the ATEM Pro Mini.

[@ninemilecreative3113]

Atomos Ninja yes. You would connect to a Macbook using the USB-C or the ethernet. the HDMI would just out to a monitor

[@csdstudios]

Aaron... quick question. Just starting out with KZbin. Should I record in 4K (2 each EOS R6's) or should I record in 1080P? I have the ATEM Mini Pro but it cannot record in 4K, correct?

[@PowerUpTraining]

And what about *AUDIO* ? The audio is embedded in the HDMI video and also in the separate audio file. (I capture high-end audio via an XLR connector connected to my Lumix BGH1). The audio via the HDMI video feed does sound different from the pure audio file . . I am thinking the video file uses any ATEM audio EQ settings but not the separate Audio only file. Aaron, this may be worth another video explanation from you! (More work and more ideas!)

[@aaronpk]

Great point, I didn‘t mention the differences in the audio quality between the two, but it would be similar. The ISO models will record the separate unprocessed audio files, but the non-ISO would record the EQ processed audio. Does seem like it would be good to talk about in another video!

[@thomaslanterman4638]

Quick question... Can you not use an HDMI splitter on the Atem Mini that has only one HDMI OUT? I use a powered 4way splitter HDMI from my camera 1, one for the 7" cold shoe monitor on the top of the camera, and one to a 27" Monitor, and one with the El Gato CAM4 HDMI converter to USB into my laptop for OBS. and one HDMI left over.

[@aaronpk]

You can, but if you're using the HDMI out of the ATEM to record then you don't get to see your multiview anywhere since that is only available on the HDMI out

[@robynecorcoran]

What is the recommendation if we are using both USBC outlets already to link to other computers that connect to multiple zoom accounts that are hosting and projecting the feed to people around the globe in different languages. Also, we use a sound board. Our goal though is to record the video and sound directly from atem iso mini extreme

[@aaronpk]

If both USB ports are in use, you could record the feed with a separate HDMI recorder using one of the HDMI outputs. You could also stream to a private youtube feed to record it that way.

[@coachvictor]

How about using a recorder like the ninja v as in input to the mini to record direct from a camera instead of the output hdmi of the mini/extreme...I prefer this workaround but will mean using multiple recorders for multiple angles, however means you can have a 4k backup for editing later.

[@daddydiaries]

I love the rig you set up for the mini. Could list the items to buy?

[@aaronpk]

Thanks! It's all listed here pk1.tv/pk1-pro-atem-mini-stand/ and here kit.co/aaronpk/pk1-atem-mini-stand-accessories

[@thepracticaltilesetter4274]

Thanks

[@proximavisual]

¡Gracias!

[@frankrice3213]

The plain Mini was the only model within budget. Still unclear on its recording capability. Can I record via: 1) The USB-C output port? 2) The HDMI output port? If "yes" to either, can I record to: 1) An SSD external flash drive with USB-C input port? 2) A Ninja (with an HDMI-to-Micro HDMI cable)?

[@aaronpk]

The base ATEM Mini has no built in recording at all, so the USB-C only works as a webcam on that. You can connect the HDMI out to a separate recording device of any kind tho

[@frankrice3213]

@@aaronpk Aaron - Thanks for quick response! I ended up buying a cheap, multi-view unit; 4 HDMI splitters; a powered, USB hub for the splitters; and lots of short HDMI cables. I split each HDMI camera to the ATEM & to the multi-view. I ran the HDMI output into an Atomos Ninja Star - then output the Ninja to a dedicated PGM monitor. Multi-view had its own monitor. Worked great. I'm about to purchase a Pro switcher for remotes. (The above Mini configuration is for the studio's control room.)

[@digifusionmedia]

@aaron PK, thanks for this insightful information. Q: I noticed my second HDMI output on my ATEM Extreme stop displaying PG out or Multiview when plugged into an external monitor, do you have an idea of what i can do to fix it, Is it a hardware-based issue or software, if I can update the firmware

[@ninemilecreative3113]

How are you recording your audio? Do you audio into the ATEM mini? I went from a zoom h6 line out into my atem mini during a multi cam interview I just shot and the h6 feed was clean but as soon as it went into the ATEM it clipped severely. I didn't have any control over the ATEM as I just recorded into a USB-C SSD hard drive connected to the ATEM. I should have probably connected it to a computer via USB and adjusted the audio in the control app... luckily i have the PRO ISO and was able to use one of the audio feeds in one of the cameras which sounded much better but still because it's a camera mic, is not ideal either..

[@c4minto81]

thanks very helpful

[@underwaterHD]

Q.. Great video. Really glad i found it. How does recording on a SSD card works? Do you just plug it in and that's it? Anticipate thx

[@aaronpk]

Pretty much! You can choose which to record to (SD card or USB drive) in the settings

[@geminicenturion5961]

Can you use an HDMI splitter from the HDMI out on the Atem??

[@firetowermedia]

What cameras are you using in this video?

[@GROCMUSICCO]

So talking with Blackmagic support I've found this to be a bit disturbing. Whenever the media is removed from the ATEM Mini xxx the drive is still mounted. Meaning the data could possibly become corrupt or even damage the drive. I haven't used the unit long enough to determine that this could be a problem but I'm sure it would be. I've only been in the computer business for 30 years but I do see this as a problem.

[@aaronpk]

I'm not sure what you mean? Can you share more of what Blackmagic support actually said?

[@downpatmusic]

Can you take the CAT 5/6 out of the Mini Pro ISO and send that to a laptop to see the multi view in the ATEM control software? Then you can view the program out via the single HDMI out to a monitor.

[@aaronpk]

Unfortunately not. Like the USB output, the streaming output over the ethernet jack is only for the program video as well.

[@haraldselke]

Thank you for another helpful video. How does the Hyperdeck High quality setting compare to the Streaming High setting?

[@aaronpk]

The Hyperdeck High setting is the same as the ISO files, the highest bitrate it can record, 35 or 70mbit/s IIRC. The Streaming High is much lower, appropriate for livestreaming, 6-9mbit/s

[@drumcatnau]

This has now changed with update 9.5; you can go out the USB-C now.

[@dgfitzpat]

Can I both record and stream at the same time on the ATEM Mini Pro from the USB C output? Do I need a device like the "Anker USB C Hub, 555 USB-C Hub (8-in-1)" to do this?

[@aaronpk]

you can stream (from the built in RTMP encoder) and record at the same time but you can't use the USB-C port for two things at once. A hub won't solve that for you because that would be trying to use the USB port in two different directions at the same time.

[@MAG-INSTINCT]

hello! wich model recommended if I wanna record my program (yes the program output only!) INTO the editor program, like Edius? And of course, i wanna record in ISO to the SSD at the same time. and what hardware need to do this? balckmagic design decklink maybe but wich model?

[@aaronpk]

If you want ISO recordings then you'll definitely want one of the ATEM ISO models. That will also get you a USB webcam output you can feed into your computer software for the program output.

[@MAG-INSTINCT]

@@aaronpk hello! thanks, I didn't think of that. I wanna record WITH Edius from the ATEM. Edius doesnt support webcam solutions, only through the Decklink Card is possible. But i dont know how can i connect the ATEM Mini Pro ISO

[@leochow6477]

Hey Aaron thanks for your sharing. It's really helpful for a newbie like me. Totally understand what you saying but I got s question about Atem Mini Pro: does that HDMI Port output program or multiview only? So if I'm connecting atem mini to my Mac through usb-c and I use video assist to record program. Then I don't have the option for multiview? Is that right?! Thanks again 🙌

[@aaronpk]

So on the Atem Mini Pro there is only one HDMI output, you can decide whether you want it to be multiview or program out. So if you're recording from that into a Video Assist then you have no way to see the multiview. That's different on the ATEM Mini Extreme because there are two HDMI outputs so you can use one for multiview and one for program.

[@leochow6477]

@@aaronpk thank you Aaron. That's really helpful 🔥

[@TroyShaw]

I've searched and searched and still haven't found the answer to the question. How do I record to an external hard drive and still use the software controller at the same time? It seems you can only do one or the other. If I connect my mac to the ATEM I have to use the usbc, if I want to record to an external hard drive I have to use the usbc. Am I missing something? Make a video on that please.

[@aaronpk]

Connect the ATEM to your wired network with the Ethernet jack to keep the USB port free for the hard drive!

[@ricknelsonduke]

Aaron, when you are recording your ISO's what preset do you normally use?

[@aaronpk]

The streaming setting only affects the "program" recording, and most of the time I don't use that, I only use the ISO files. The ISO files are always recorded at true highest bitrate, you don't get a choice of that. So really the only time I check what my streaming setting is at is if I'm trying to record the SuperSource, since that isn't recorded as its own ISO file

[@NamarasaPodcast]

how to make sure the program output is the highest quality?

[@aaronpk]

If you choose "Hyperdeck High" in the ATEM settings that will record at the maximum supported quality in the ATEM. You can get higher quality recordings from an actual Hyperdeck recorder though since that can record ProRes instead of the compressed h264 that you get in the ATEM.

[@PauloAndradeProf]

Any solution for 4K recording?

[@DANNYDRAIMAN]

on atem mini extreme can the 2 usbs be connected to 2 different computers...i have a mac and pc and would love to share the webcam feature with 1 device

[@aaronpk]

Yeah that works! The ATEM Mini Extreme USB ports can be connected to two separate computers

[@beamzworld]

Can you record all individual ISO model camera inputs onto the hdmi external drive?

[@aaronpk]

If you want to record all the inputs, you have to plug in a SSD to the USB port. The HDMI output to an external HDMI recorder can record only one signal

[@beamzworld]

@@aaronpk Thank you for the response. Can it only be SSD that can be used with the ISO? I tried connecting my external HDD, but it says unformatted disk.

[@AliHosseinitv]

HI - When we do the record, how to access the software while the USB-c port is busy? If it is not possible, how can I see in some videos that it switches between SSDs?

[@aaronpk]

You can also access the software control over the network, make sure your computer and ATEM are on the same network and it should pop up in the software control app.

[@AliHosseinitv]

@@aaronpk Thanks for your reply / but there is concern that the network is not stable and I was hoping to find a better way

[@aaronpk]

You should bring your own network switch for your local equipment, that way you can ensure it's stable. Don't connect all your devices directly to a venue's network, because you'll always run into problems that way.

[@MrBClassroom]

Do you Davinci Resolve to edit the individual camera views or can I use something like final cut?

[@aaronpk]

You can definitely use whatever. The ISO model creates a Resolve project on the drive, but I ignore that and just import the video files into Resolve from scratch, it'd work the same in Final Cut too

[@MrBClassroom]

Thank you for the clarification!

[@dirkwachter9406]

425 / 5.000 I'm from Germany and I have a question. Can you get a true 4K signal with Blackmagic Design Video Assist on the ATEM mini Extreme ISO program out? That would be really great to always record a track separately in much better quality. You can decide spontaneously during live editing which camera should go into the program out. Thanks very much. By the way: Very good article. Like and subscription are set.

[@aaronpk]

Unfortunately the ATEM Mini doesn't support 4K at all. Hopefully we will see some 4K models soon!

[@matthewpryorfilms]

When you use the external recorder do you still get the individual iso files or just the final file?

[@aaronpk]

The ISO files are only when recording to the SSD. Using an external recorder will only record the one video feed you send to the recorder

[@ebenezer357]

Does any of these switchers record in 4k? I’m planning on using it not to stream but to live switch and record my podcast

[@aaronpk]

There are some 4K ATEMs, but not the Mini series

[@ebenezer357]

@@aaronpk thank you. Could you recommend me one below $2,000?

[@treyl21]

Do Record limits still exist with mirrorless cameras with the ATEM mini?

[@aaronpk]

The record limits have nothing to do with the ATEM. Some cameras are limited to recording internally under 30 minutes to keep them in a different export tax category. Even when there's this limit, the HDMI output will be continuous so you can use it with the ATEM. That said, there are plenty of options for cameras without this limit now, I can't even think of a recent mirrorless camera that has this limit anymore.

[@treyl21]

@@aaronpk thank you, I guess a better way to ask is to explain what i want to do. I want to record a podcast with the atem mini and a mirrorless camera that has a 30 minute record limit. Will the camera shut off after 30 or will the atem give us a longer record time without stoppage

[@JimmyDThing]

You know, now that I think about it. Doesn't it seem kinda strange that you can't get a mutli view window from atem sofrware control?

[@aaronpk]

It would be super nice if the USB out could be switched between program and multi view so this would be possible!

[@readingwithmyboys827]

Q how can I record audio only out of my ATEM mini extreme, into my hard drive

[@aaronpk]

There's no option to record only the audio, but if you have the ISO model, recording will give you all the video files as well as a separate wav file for each camera and microphone

[@jacksummers1736]

Seems like a lot of KZbin is now going 4K. What do you do for that?

[@downpatmusic]

I saw another YT video showing how you can replace the 1080p HD timeline/edit recorded from the ATEM Mini Pro ISO for ex. within your DAW's video editor. In Divinci Resolve you can open the Project file created by the ATEM Mini Pro ISO and choose replace with B Raw or I am guessing 4K better video and it will swap better res files in the same timeline. Pretty cool way to upgrade the footage to higher res in a step. Would work in Final Cut and Premier too with a few more prep steps.

[@saturncrush]

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[@treffensaintjohnllc2913]

I cannot recommend this product, the ATEM mini series. The HDMI output has a history of failing. I bought a unit a year ago and the HDMI output had gone bad after a dozen or so uses. Then recently I bought another one. This brand new unit out of the box had the same problem after a single day - I sent it back to B&H this morning. Next, I was getting some equipment at a broadcast rental house in Tempe Arizona and my sales contact had an ATEM Mini on his desk with the same problem. To top it off, my video engineer had an ATEM Mini that was flickering on the HDMI yesterday - he told me these ATEM Minis are prone to this problem. I'm moving to another manufacturer, probably Roland. Not worth the risk using ATEM products. They will go down for sure.

[@aaronpk]

Sorry to hear that! I've been using several ATEM Minis for about two years straight and haven't had any trouble like that! I have noticed that certain cameras or monitors sometimes don't work with the ATEM, but I haven't had any just fail after they were previously working.

[@treffensaintjohnllc2913]

@@aaronpk My video engineer conjectures Black Magic/Atem bought a batch of bad HDMI connectors. I do not take his hypothesis very seriously. I was sadden by this misfortune because the concept of the switcher is exactly what I was looking for and I believed it would be a good match for the types of events I do; however, it's too risky putting them on live events. These ATEM Minis will take down an entire live event. There's a market for these kinds of switchers to be sure. And everything else about the ATEM Mini is solid. I like the feel of the push buttons and the case itself is quite solid. Yet, I can no longer trust them on my events.

[@SteveVienna007]

Very Interesting - Thank you! I a using my Atem Mini PRO as Webcam Interface via USB for Zoom and Teams Meetings. How I can connect a recorder on the Atem Mini Pro?

[@aaronpk]

The ATEM Mini Pro already has a built in recorder if you connect a USB SSD! But you might be interested in this video that talks about some of the particular challenges of using the ATEM Mini with Zoom to record: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2WaZHmCpJJ1q8k

[@SteveVienna007]

@@aaronpk thank you. But I guess I did not find the specific answer. As the ATEM Mini Pro has only one USB-C Output, I can use only one option as Webcam or Recording. On HDMI Out I am using my MV monitor. So, is there a solution for using the USB-C as Webcam and Recording at the same time?

[@aaronpk]

Nope, that's the limit with the ATEM Mini Pro unfortunately. That's why they added the second HDMI and second USB to the Extreme though!

[@aaronpk]

One trick I've done in the past is streamed from the ATEM to an unlisted KZbin video to make the recording. That means: USB for zoom, HDMI for multiview, streaming encoder to KZbin for archive

[@SteveVienna007]

@@aaronpk thank you very much!

[@onetopmedia25]

A better a clear explanation

[@elitheelectronicsguy]

What is your favorite external recorder?

[@aaronpk]

I've been using the Hyperdecks a lot because they're wired into my rack and are able to be controlled over the network via Companion. The new ones can also switch between ProRes and h264 recording so I can choose whether I want a high quality recording or smaller file size for long recordings

[@dinashaker6794]

I'm lost very bad explication

[@aaronpk]

Do you mean "explanation"?