Daemons of the Ruinstorm vs Ultramarines - Horus Heresy (Battle Report)

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[@PandorableMae]

Quick reminder: Monstrous units strike at initiative with unwieldy weapons (check the unwieldy special rule). So the sovereign would strike at initiative 7 on the charge, and initiative 6 in subsequent turns.

[@SNBattleReports]

Deffo! Thanks we missed that many have already pointed it out. Hope you enjoyed the game 😃

[@dalorasinum386]

And gargantuan monstrous creatures (so the arch daemon) have eternal warrior so no multi wounds from murderous strike. Edit: turns out eternal warrior is specifically on the arch daemon rather than on all gargantuans. It’s just all the gargantuans I’ve seen have happened to have it.

[@EAfirstlast]

Suzerain shields specifically do not have the rule that prevents you from getting extra attacks, so the axes do, indeed, get 4 attacks.

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah so we did it correct right? 😆

[@zm5884]

The Sovereign Greatblade is unwieldy but the Daemon Sovereign has the Monstrous type so ignores Unwieldy property of the weapon I believe. So the Sovereign should have attacked at Initiative 6

[@SNBattleReports]

Deffo! Thanks we missed that many have already pointed it out. Hope you enjoyed the game 😃

[@zm5884]

@@SNBattleReportsyeah it was awesome showcase of what the daemons can do!

[@hannahgeraghty4201]

A few mistakes are expected when using a whole new army with lost of new and weird rules. This game was absolutely amazing! I'm loving the daemons so far

[@SNBattleReports]

Glad you enjoyed

[@latro666]

Quick one on rage in the first turn. Dc did plus one for charging and 2 for rage. Rage replaces the plus one for charging and does not add to it. Great watch so far! Thanks for putting it up so quick

[@SNBattleReports]

So rage(1) is the same as a normal charge? That doesn’t make a lot of sense right?

[@latro666]

@@SNBattleReports who has rage 1? Lol

[@sn_dc]

You’re right I follow that rule for Tony Gal Vorbak (3 base + rage 2) but I forgot with the Arch-Daemon 😅

[@mchalhal]

I’m very new to Warhammer but been really encouraged by your content. Loving watching you guys and made me want to try it out further so I’m now going to a club for the first time tomorrow. Keep up the great videos 👍

[@SNBattleReports]

Awww that’s awesome to hear! Update us after the club tomorrow

[@titiustatius7926]

What an awesome table you guys! Dare i say, one of my favorite so far! Absolutely splendid! And all those troops giving their precious lives for the Emprah and to secure His very own Pardocrates !! Stunning! #Pardocrates #best40ktables

[@SNBattleReports]

Pardo crates for the win! The main mission was to defend them 😉

[@stevenwong9591]

Correct me if i'm wrong but rage 2 is not in addition to your +1 attack from the charge bonus, rage 2 replaces whatever your charge bonus is, so you would get 2 extra attacks on the charge not +1 from charging and +2 from rage.

[@SNBattleReports]

Correct we go that wrong champ. Sorry

[@toms4079]

In the duel with Guilleman, he could only ever do 1 wound with his sword as the arch daemon has eternal warrior :(

[@sn_dc]

WOW! So I thought the Arch-Daemon had the same ‘Empyrean Avatar’ as the Sovereign. You’re right it has Eternal Warrior - that is pretty huge on such a powerful unit 😂 thanks for the heads up!

[@SNBattleReports]

I’ve seen DC has already replied. Wow that makes that thing broken I would say…

[@thejestor9378]

I mean, it’s a 500 point model base.. like daemons cost alot.

[@Ultra_Hlebus]

No, read the rule again. Empyrean Avatar loses D3 wounds in case of instant death wound.

[@SNBattleReports]

@@thejestor9378 it’s a beast it will kill Primarchs in one round of combat

[@DevilsBrushGaming]

Great battle report as always. Love they added deamons be interesting to see how they do after turn 3 or 4 in a normal game.

[@SNBattleReports]

Glad you enjoyed! Problem here is it wasn’t a really good showcase as we were ok each other turn one. When they play I’m a longer deployment like Hammer and Anvil they might not even get into combat until turn 3 😆

[@bat33.12]

DC is back, I am excited to see his ruinstorm of dice all rolling 1's while Pardo casually rolls fistfulls of 6's to save 😁

[@SNBattleReports]

😂 yep more or less this 🙌🏽

[@bat33.12]

@@SNBattleReports I think we need an independent dice roller, Shaggy can roll all the dice to even things up. If we added more candles maybe that coul swing the result the correct way or if all else fails summon Erebus

[@mcg599]

Excellent video guys. Very entertaining!

[@SNBattleReports]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@TheXasTube]

My headcannon has G-Man going all out defense all the time, parrying and evading, slowly getting wittled down. In true epic fashion the archdaemon goes for an elaborate killing blow and gets that sword directly where it really hurts :D

[@SNBattleReports]

🙌🏽

[@BUGS9000]

Fyi the monstrous subtype ignores unwieldy, so the daemon sovereign would be striking at its normal initiative. Might not have changed much, but it probably would have put some wounds on Guilliman before it died.

[@SNBattleReports]

Deffo! Thanks we missed that many have already pointed it out. Hope you enjoyed the game 😃

[@BUGS9000]

@@SNBattleReports Lol, I'm sure all the comments are great for the algorithm at least. Great bat rep as usual, really cool seeing the new daemons in their element.

[@strigoi_guhlqueen8355]

Wounderfull battle report. I just started work on a Daemons of the Ruinstorm army.

[@SNBattleReports]

Awesome

[@BlastastiC]

Great stuff guys! I've got a bunch of Slaanesh daemons that I've been hoping to dust off and finish painting up for 30k and this has given me some heretical ideas!

[@SNBattleReports]

Enjoy Boss! 🐍

[@dpm333]

Great as always guys!!! Is there any suggestion about base sizes for daemons? I’m looking into some AoS maggotin models

[@SNBattleReports]

Sadly now! What would you use it as?

[@OniFeez]

Zarakynel is the name of the Forgeworld Exalted Keeeper of Secrets - although I guess it doesn't really matter any more since she's out of print etc,etc :D So do you think Daemons 'work' as a faction in HH? When the Pdf came out I thought 'yay' but then I turned out to be kinda disappointed with it in the way of: "wait, I've been waiting 3 years for this?" but I suppose it was always going to be a hard slog for it to match my expectations. I'm glad you played Slaanesh themed (I am a Slaanesh fanboy), but I kinda feel like the 'primordial' sort of nature of HH makes that the different flavours of Chaos to be largely redundant. You could make a unit mixed up between Bloodletters and Daemonette's for example because nothing actually matters.

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah I would have much preferred a book to be honest

[@folejarczyk]

Hello, i watch your last battle report. I have a question, veterans can make a charge from droppod?

[@SNBattleReports]

Sadly not! Mistake on our part sorry

[@Xarton_]

Monstrous units ignore unwieldy. So the Sovereign attacks on Ini 7. 😅

[@SNBattleReports]

Wow! Nice!

[@LtMarshmellow]

Good stuff guys, nice to see how daemons play! Missed some brutal 3 dreadnought attacks on those cavalry, when they hit lol. Looks like you forgot about Primarch's it will not die roll too!

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah we actually did forget I noticed when I was editing!

[@theTemplar08]

I love how are you reimagine the demons here. This is a great conversion. 👍👍👍👍

[@SNBattleReports]

Thank you very much!

[@LegionMiniatureGames]

Great video guys! I am planning to build a Daemon army, what model I’d that large serpent ?

[@SNBattleReports]

It’s a conversion with one of the sigmar models

[@LegionMiniatureGames]

@@SNBattleReports thank you! I think I’ve watched the Death Guard and World Eaters vids several times while planning my armies This was great fir Daemons

[@Ultra_Hlebus]

Pardo, how did you take a droppod as DT? I have always thought that one has to take a respective RoW to take those.

[@SNBattleReports]

Veterans can take them as DT

[@MariusGage]

That is a beautiful ultramarines army, wow!

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks

[@perryfoord3557]

Here we go fingers crossed for the daemons woop woop

[@SNBattleReports]

Enjoy champ

[@kyronwolf7418]

Awesome battle report as always guys! I like how simple, yet fun the daemon lists seem to be. Is there anything that gives the base sizes for the daemon armies though? Some of the datasheets are not overly clear if its like a greater daemon sized unit or more a small character?

[@SNBattleReports]

None… which is a shame I think that was a big miss

[@kyronwolf7418]

@@SNBattleReports do you just make a good ol educated guess then?

[@ryryak27]

@@kyronwolf7418 Ruinstorm Daemon Lord ........................................ 130 mm base • Ruinstorm Greater Daemon ................................. 130 mm base • Ruinstorm Daemon Cho........................................ 3 2 mm base • Ruinstorm Daemon Brute ....................................... 50 mm base • Ruinstorm Lesser Daemons ................................... 3 2 mm base • Ruinstorm Daemon Beasts .................................... 40 mm base • Ruinstorm Daemon Swarms .................................. 40 mm base • Ruinstorm Possessed ............................................ 3 2 mm base (Legionary) ..................................................................................... 25 mm base (Auxiliary) • Ruinstorm Daemon Cavalry ................................... 70 mm x 25 mm oval bases • Ruinstorm Daemon Shrikes .................................. 60 mm base • Ruinstorm Greater Daemon Beasts ...................... 100 mm base • Ruinstorm Daemon Behemoth ............................. 170 mm x 10 5 mm oval base It's not a 1:1 by any means, but it's the base sizes for 1st edition Horus Heresy Daemons. I use it as a guideline for the new daemons and their base sizes

[@sturm9087]

Arbitorian has a great video about starting a HH demon army where he gives out base size recommendations for each unit. Probably a good place to start

[@jorzolek01]

Use your imagination should never be said when talking about a Slaanesh army.

[@SNBattleReports]

😂 💦

[@aaronst.pierre3080]

I just wish you could do Ka'banda with the generic Lord of War. That would be so boss!

[@Steiner5769]

since it's slaanesh, shouldn't they be in variables of 6, like units of 18 or 24?

[@SNBattleReports]

Could be 😆

[@jovenlawrence4977]

Love the HH content! I will say though you can't charge out of a drop pod when it comes in its in the rules for disembarking from vehicles that you can't when they enter from reserve and also dreads are brutal 3. Great game

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah missed that drop pods don’t have assault and no idea why we were not doing brutal 3

[@MassMultiThomas]

Great game and amazing table! Did you make that table yourself? The ruined fortifications are hot!!!! ❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks Champ! The table was Commissioned a long time ago

[@WurstbrotXL]

How can the Hierach be attached to the Harriers? He is only character sub-type not Independent character. I assume there are quite a few things that need to be patched with the demon pdf 🙃 Also you cannot charge after leaving a drop pod as it is no assault vehicle. But all in all a great battle report. You seemed to have a lot of fun

[@SNBattleReports]

Good spot on the drop Pod! Totally forgot. About the Hierach I thought they could also attach with character

[@soupcat]

@@SNBattleReports that's understandable - the Hierach is borderline unplayable without being able to be attached to units. I'm hoping it was just an oversight

[@newtpondskipper]

Great game! Ruinstorm just need a way to crack that 2+ armour!

[@SNBattleReports]

Agreed but they might become to strong if we do 😆

[@vladyslav_or_just_V]

So fantastic game! Demons are monstrous enemies! P.S. You forget about Brutal 3 for dreadnought power fist. Game should be on another way if you don`t forget about it ;)

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah crazy we forgot about the brutal 3

[@vladyslav_or_just_V]

@@SNBattleReports and Great Demon should died earlier) You start last fight GD vs Robaut like the GD has full HP but she has only one.

[@philipfreeman4029]

Great game as always guys well done, cheers Phil

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks Boss!

[@philipfreeman4029]

@@SNBattleReports praise from caesar indeed ! Really guys you are all the leading lights in my opinion in 30k and 40k , cheers Phil , I’m gonna have to join your facebook soon !

[@kazgroth1]

what a great game, can not wait to see more.

[@SNBattleReports]

♥️

[@jameswilloughby4381]

Absolutely adore that board

[@SonOfSalop]

Where are those fortifications from lads? 😮

[@SNBattleReports]

Custom made buddy

[@JH-ci7gu]

Epic game! Great stuff!

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks 🙏🏽

[@raphie8488]

Imho, Power Axes should be initative -1 and not unwieldy

[@liamearl6386]

If the it will not die rule was not forgotten with Guilliman that fight with the daemon could of been soo different I’m shouting at the tv “it will not die” 🤣🤣 check the primarch special rule in the rule book

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah we completely forgot

[@Black_Blow_Fly]

Love to see the Breachers CPT PARDO ❤❤❤

[@SNBattleReports]

🙌🏽

[@aglumm9469]

nice one guys

[@SNBattleReports]

♥️

[@maxtracker2904]

I hope the daemon rules means they will fit in as allies for the more canonically daemon-friendly legions like wordbearers…

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah

[@zm5884]

Sadly they can’t be taken as allies by anyone or have allies. Word Bearers can summon them, and if you take Lorgar for instance you can essentially take Daemons as non-compulsory units, essentially sharing their army list with the legion list. But mostly it’s varying flavors of summoning as far as using them with other armies.

[@markmooney9416]

Beautiful.

[@SNBattleReports]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@andreasell1830]

Guys what do you think of panoptica ?

[@SNBattleReports]

It’s ok 😃

[@kevingreenwood1570]

RIP Georgie 😢

[@SNBattleReports]

RIP 🌹

[@andrewbakescakes9684]

Early in the vid, but let's go demons! Make those smurfs suffer!

[@SNBattleReports]

Enjoy buddy

[@yagsipcc287]

I am cheering for my kin DAEMONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@SNBattleReports]

🙌🏽

[@yurybarsukov6166]

Press F to respect for George)

[@SNBattleReports]

lol 😂

[@liamearl6386]

Use forgot the it will not die with Guilliman

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah sadly yes 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@Black_Blow_Fly]

1st

[@SNBattleReports]

Congratulations Steve 😂 🙌🏽

[@Black_Blow_Fly]

I know DC must be popping soem serious wood 😂 DC "I love me soem deamons…" blah blah blah

[@andreasell1830]

Guys what do you think of panoptica ?

[@SNBattleReports]

It’s ok but sadly not something we can use on the channel