The most important terrain piece of a 2nd edition 40k; The spiked alien plant
@waggerz2 жыл бұрын
I saw that as soon as the game started. Best part.
@Mrkabrat2 жыл бұрын
@@SusCalvin "Welcome to Catchan, gentlemen!" *Gets eaten by local flora*
@EthanKristopherHartley2 жыл бұрын
I thought the most important was the toilet roll sewerage pipe... 😜
@Mrkabrat2 жыл бұрын
@@SusCalvin No wonder you needed a third neutral player (or DM) to keep track of things
@Mrkabrat2 жыл бұрын
@@SusCalvin If im not mistaken 2nd ed 40k was around the same time as 4th ed WFB, correct? Since 3rd ed (and previous editions) of it had more complexity to it before that point
@TheSmart-CasualGamer2 жыл бұрын
"It's weirdly unclear." That sums up Second Edition fantastically. Even in the White Dwarf at the debut of Third Edition, they basically said "Even we didn't understand the bloody thing."
@XArctracerX2 жыл бұрын
That must’ve been a fun meeting discussing the game and everyone there didn’t understand it
@questofknowledge87882 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure 3rd edition on release just said that if something seems broken don’t abuse it...
@TheSmart-CasualGamer2 жыл бұрын
@@questofknowledge8788 Yeah, early third wasn't the most balanced thing in the world. Not "Last Days of Fifth" Bad, but still not great.
@questofknowledge87882 жыл бұрын
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer Yeah, that being said they left it open to the players. There were literal examples of homebrew rules, and actual encouragement to make your own rules or change theirs if you didnt like it. I miss that era of GW quite alot nowadays where everything has to be meta and if you don't play one of three armies you are basically useless. At least 2nd and 3rd even if you were getting stomped it was hilarious, with random damage tables or symplistic fast passed rules and homebrew wackiness.
@nrais76 Жыл бұрын
It's because when they wrote 3rd edition, they were idiots. 2nd edition was the best edition to date, although admittedly, I skipped 4th and 5th, but I knew people playing then at the time. When 8th was being touted, I was worried it would be repeat of 3rd. When the indexes dropped, I saw it wasn't, so >POOF!< my kids are into it now, too, and I transitioned the main game my group was playing away from WarmaHordes 3rd (which was already dead to us) to 40k 8th. 3rd was overly generic, and a lot of us hated it for it. The last straw was plastic models (it was the 90s, so if it wasn't metal, it was rubbish, was the attitude), around the time they repeatedly tried to fix close combat and kept breaking it worse.
@modhail69082 жыл бұрын
Confusion, frantic and bemused consulting of rules and codexes, but lots of laughs: Seems like a typical 2nd ed game to me. :D And yes, please do the terrain vid!
@secondeditionwargaming2 жыл бұрын
I've actually done a 2nd ed hand to hand video that would have helped them no end!
@dambrooks75782 жыл бұрын
What he said 👆 these 2nd edition joys, a method that was adapted slightly for Gorkamorka and was marvellous (well before it was dropped like a stone by GW)... Thankfully I only continued with the lot more sensible Blood Bowl, from 3rd edition to now... My teenage days of having a 2,000 paint Space Pups and Imperial Gaurd army made out of metal and weighing a metric ton that I had to cart around on a bicycle 🚲 to a mates house for battles, which involved a bunch of teenage boys arguing over the rules... Happy days 🙄 I dread what that room would have smelled like with four teenage boys in it. 🤢
@kwest9747Ай бұрын
The Middle Earth Strategy Battle Game (also the work of Rick Priestly / Games Workshop) uses a roll off system to decide who scores hits. Not entirely the same - weapon skill isn’t used as a modifier and the tie breaker is not called ‘initiative’ but ‘fight value’.
@pauliusthemad34982 жыл бұрын
A little episode based on those old GW terrain making books or just making home made terrain would be quite great to be honest!
@Del_S2 жыл бұрын
And maybe rooting through some older White Dwarf issues for scratch build terrain tips before they started just selling us the modern Adeptus Ikea stuff... I mean, it's nice and all, but there's just something special about a unique handmade ruin with its own quirks.
@Bluecho42 жыл бұрын
Same. Would absolutely love an old school terrain video.
@davidshea62722 жыл бұрын
'I'm sure they got FAQ'ed a few times.' Take it from someone who was there. They didn't.
@stalker19832 жыл бұрын
I think there was 1 faq for all of 2nd edition “tear up the virus outbreak strategy card”
@mrspeigel35932 жыл бұрын
@@stalker1983 there was one like 2 page faq towards the end.
@stalker19832 жыл бұрын
@@mrspeigel3593 remember if it was in White dwarf?
@mrspeigel35932 жыл бұрын
@@stalker1983 it was, they dropped a few things here and there and then compiled them into a two page spread. Wargear rarity, virus bomb, wolfguard assaultcannons, clarifications on displaced fields and teleportation that's all I can remember of the top of my head.
@secondeditionwargaming2 жыл бұрын
There were a lot by the time 3rd kicked in. I consult it to this day!
@tigerstein2 жыл бұрын
A terrain making episode sounds like fun.
@richardbradley23352 жыл бұрын
ive got huge amounts of scenery but need to know how to make a chain link fence
@johnashley-smith49872 жыл бұрын
I would suggest plastic window screen, cut it so you get the angled pattern like a chain link fence. Use any suitable sticks or even lengths of sprue for fence posts
@Del_S2 жыл бұрын
@@richardbradley2335 One way could be to get plasterboard tape, which is usually about 50mm wide so it can be used for tall fences or cut it in half for shorter ones, but more importantly is already in a kind of squared mesh that should be ideal. Use bamboo skewers as fence posts, set them out on a base of some kind - for megacheapness even use popsicle sticks and drill holes for your bits of bamboo, you should get about three posts in one, for two sections of fence. As the tape is slightly adhesive it can hold itself in place to let you use superglue to make it a stronger attachment. Should be simple and cheap. Insect mesh will be a tad more expensive for a little bit less material overall usually, but it is a bit tougher and being wider overall can let you do the angled approach, like John Ashley-Smith says, but since the plaster tape is so cheap and self-adhesive it might prove a useful addition for terrain making in general even with the insect mesh approach. It's generally about £5 for a 1x1 meter square, while the tape is about £1-3 for a 90 meter length that's already at a useable (but less versatile) width. Both options will give you plenty of material for a set of fences though. You'll likely need sharp scissors or a sharp knife for both, though honestly the scissors approach may work out overall easier.
@richardbradley23352 жыл бұрын
@@Del_S Oh bless you
@Bluecho42 жыл бұрын
@@richardbradley2335 Get some drywall mesh tape from the hardware store. Stretch it over a frame made of wires or toothpicks or something, sticking out of the basing material of your choice.
@Agamemnon22 жыл бұрын
It warms the cockles of my heart to see the classic styrofoam and toothpick cactus on the table. They were such an iconic part of the GW studio terrain collection at the time, and featured in countless shots of miniatures.
@ShallowVA2 жыл бұрын
There’s something kind of cool about those terminators slowly approaching, wading through waves of bolter fire… That classic space cactus is adorable! More 2e terrain!
@vattmann13872 жыл бұрын
@@SusCalvin Ahh the days of guard not getting saves unless it was frag grenades ;) On a similar note the vehicle upgrades and war gear was crazy back in the day ie vortex grenades and electro hulls etc
@reallyidrathernot.1342 жыл бұрын
That's how all my 2nd and 3rd ed games worked. Just rolling dice to see if the shooty side could kill enough of the close combat side before they got into combat. (That and characters having a bunch of bullshittery cheaty rules.)
@Navigatortrue2 жыл бұрын
To add that real air of 1st/2nd edition you needed to have a mix tape playing with Motorhead, Iron Maiden & Crass playing in the back ground and a leather jacket needs to be visible in the background.
@josephgarvin39982 жыл бұрын
Wib is wearing a chequered belt, I think that's got it covered tbh (though maybe that's really more of a 3rd edition thing?)
@Navigatortrue2 жыл бұрын
@@josephgarvin3998 check belts are 3rd onwards, if there were wearing ether Convers hi tops (red, blue or bkack) or Doc Martin's.
@lynnmoore36842 жыл бұрын
Naw, Bolt Thrower.
@vattmann13872 жыл бұрын
@@lynnmoore3684 That's More Rogue Trader tbh
@stephenmackay19592 жыл бұрын
I’d love to see you guys have a crack at the “Battle of the farm” mission at the end of the Rogue Trader rule book using the original rules.
@Drewscipher2 жыл бұрын
Would like to see the creation of terrain. Don't some of the older GW books have instructions on how to make your own terrain without having to buy it from GW?
@salamanda5502 жыл бұрын
From my knowledge, one of the ones I remember from White Dwarf was "Put books under a blanket" XD
@robertbryce32252 жыл бұрын
They had a book specifically for making terrain using materials not sold by GW. It was in the same line as the painting books. Good material to pick up if you ever find a copy
@SnipeandWib2 жыл бұрын
That was the exact book we're going to use to make things from haha
@casanovafunkenstein50902 жыл бұрын
@@SnipeandWib does it include a crashed version of the deodorant stick vehicle? Will be looking forward to seeing what you come out with by following the tutorials 🙂
@kidjalworks2 жыл бұрын
Used to be loads of this, especially in white dwarf. Modular terrain boards, templates to cut out and build card terrain using cereal boxes, how to cut and finish polystyrene terrain, loads of stuff.
@Decrepit_biker2 жыл бұрын
Nearly 30 years later and I still remember the rules.... and was saying the rolls you needed as you worked them out 🤣
@secondeditionwargaming2 жыл бұрын
Haha, me too. Would love your opinion on my 2nd ed rules videos!
@Decrepit_biker2 жыл бұрын
@@secondeditionwargaming I'll have a look and subscribe 😉
@vattmann13872 жыл бұрын
It could have got even more complicated with grenade spam lol!
@lewispoma52572 жыл бұрын
Great video! Just one thing: Chaos termies don't use storm bolters, they use combi-bolters. In 2e, this means you roll once for hit, and each successful hit inflicts two hits.
@ralphwiggam76302 жыл бұрын
One "hit" means you roll to wound the same target twice ... both shots hit in unison ... so yeah
@latro6662 жыл бұрын
Not 100% correct. You could take storm bolter armed post heresy terminators, they just cost more pts.
@ralphwiggam76302 жыл бұрын
@@latro666 The problem is that the only way to access real stormbolters is to buy an entire "post-heresy" terminator squad ... and then pay an extra 50% just because it's "new" ... So yes, you can have real stormbolters for your Chaos ... but be prepared to pay an exorbitant premium price!
@GermanNightmare19762 жыл бұрын
The Final Liberation soundtrack makes me happy to this day. As does seeing some love for 2nd edition.
@sceneryj2 жыл бұрын
I recently started playing FL again, and its still so much fun. Great memories.
@christopheraaron12552 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure love is the right word...
@lasgunsroses9492 жыл бұрын
Man, that took me back! That last combat draw reminded me of a game instore during Ichar IV where my Wolfguard Terminator with lightning claws went up against a lictor. Two to three turns of draws until my Space puppy ripped its head off.
@lasgunsroses9492 жыл бұрын
@@SusCalvin Yes, they were used in Necromunda, can't remember what Gorkamorka used. One of the reasons why I still play Shadow War: Armageddon!
@johndavis96742 жыл бұрын
Right at the beginning "It's weirdly unclear" That pretty much sums up 2nd ED.
@HereticalKitsune2 жыл бұрын
Playing second edition with third edition terrain and eight edition models, so weird! Would love to see more of 2nd Edition for sure!
@Mikey__R2 жыл бұрын
Can I plus one this? I'm enjoying this 2nd ed content so much!
@secondeditionwargaming2 жыл бұрын
I've got a few 2nd ed rules videos over on my channel, they may scratch the itch!
@Del_S2 жыл бұрын
Getting the 2nd edition appropriate minis could have been a battle with eBay. A bit quicker and simpler to just use the modern ones that won't really be much more expensive given that even a good deal on OOP minis is going to be on par with current prices. And I unfortunately need my metal chaos terminators and my 2nd edition monopose marines because THEY'Z MINE THE PRECIOUSES IS MIIIIIINE. And also lack some of the options Snipe and Wib actually took, I think.
@hfar_in_the_sky2 жыл бұрын
"Nobody wins! Nobody loses!" "Actually that's a pretty accurate description of 40k lore in general." Ain't it now! XD
@Hozak2 жыл бұрын
I like to imagine that first kill with the missile just picked up the terminator and flew them away.
@vxicepickxv6 ай бұрын
That terminator was actually shot all the Eye of Terror. The missile still hasn't detonated. It's just stuck floating in the warp to this very day.
@danajadzia33902 жыл бұрын
"and you just have to say you're find even though you're not fine" was amazing. That whole video was 100% nostalgia for me. Although I'll never understand why people think the melee was confusing, but then I was playing Tyranids & Genestealer cult at the time so I got very familiar with it very fast.
@michaelgrey13512 жыл бұрын
Ah, Second Edition melee.... the world was just not ready for you.
@secondeditionwargaming2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! I've done a video on it just as a learning aid!
@neverness922 жыл бұрын
Yet it remained the default rules for Necromunda for quite awhile. I think those rules worked best at the smaller scale / skirmish level.
@secondeditionwargaming2 жыл бұрын
@@neverness92 Absolutely agree! our last dozen games have been narrative skirmishes using 2nd ed rules straight up. Works really well, I'll have get some battle reports posted!
@N0-1_H3r32 жыл бұрын
I have fond memories of Banshee Masks, and their ability to just prevent enemies rolling any attack dice when the Banshees (who were movement 6 in a movement 4 world) charged.
@secondeditionwargaming2 жыл бұрын
@@N0-1_H3r3 Take an Exarch with banshee mask and give them the leap exarch ability and watch them cover half the board on a charge!
@MakCurrel2 жыл бұрын
Vibe: Now we're going into melee. Which is a absolut nightmare. Me saying out loud to the video: YES!
@secondeditionwargaming2 жыл бұрын
The video I've done on 2nd ed hand to hand would have been a big help to them.
@geckipede2 жыл бұрын
For the full 2nd edition experience, you definitely need either vehicles to bring out the data sheets or psykers to open up that entire game within a game phase.
@lloydhendric12812 жыл бұрын
For the full authentic experience you also need to add all the cheating and screaming at each other, so you can pad it out too a four hour game.
@idioticnerd77482 жыл бұрын
@@lloydhendric1281 yeah your not wrong. Most of it was because of the confusing as hell rules
@secondeditionwargaming2 жыл бұрын
If you need help with 2nd ed rules I've got a few videos on my channel, with vehicle rules coming next!
@secondeditionwargaming2 жыл бұрын
@@lloydhendric1281 That's EXACTLY how it was!
@secondeditionwargaming2 жыл бұрын
@nd ed rules are one big grey area!
@gordonwiley20062 жыл бұрын
Little did snipe know that wib was referencing Archibald Blough, discoverer of the ancient pigments lost since the Dark Age of Fashion, that the ultramarines then adopted as their color of choice.
@benjaminstorace66992 жыл бұрын
"I hate you, but nice." -The spirit of gaming in a single phrase
@0n0a0m0e2 жыл бұрын
I'm very happy that this involved the true star of the channel, small ball cactus.
@XArctracerX2 жыл бұрын
I love the ending nobody wins! But it also means you have to fight again to decide the winner which means more little plastic men fighting against each other content which is great
@TheSmart-CasualGamer2 жыл бұрын
Little Plastic Men and Women! Snipe's Chaos Lord is female.
@XArctracerX2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer Oh my apologies you are correct
@Potacintvervs2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer I thought space marines were only made from male children by the Emperor's decree.
@euansmith36992 жыл бұрын
The Final Liberation music always gives me a little thrill. It really added to the 90's atmosphere.
@justarandomname4202 жыл бұрын
Mashed potato brain could be a serious condition. Consult your doctor. Thanks for the OldeHammer! It's the best of Hammers.
@ProjectThunderclaw2 жыл бұрын
That strategy table is so fucking funny. It is absolutely peak GW to just casually be like "yeah of course space marines at better at strategizing than aliens who have thousands of years of military experience AND CAN LITERALLY SEE THE FUTURE"
@MasterShake90002 жыл бұрын
I’ve always wondered if 2nd Ed rules with more modern style melee rules would work well. Really love this retro battle. Hoping for more! 2nd was my main and favorite edition of 40k (and the hobby in general). I loved the smaller armies and the general ability to equip most models with whatever you want (eg Assault Squads, CSM squads, most Ork mobs taking mixes of power weapons and plasma pistols).
@adamfox16692 жыл бұрын
Try bring and battle channel. They do 2nd ed games. (Others too)
@secondeditionwargaming2 жыл бұрын
I've got a few 2nd ed rules videos over on my channel, more to come!
@benkerby48272 жыл бұрын
Remember chaps, chaos terminators don't get storm bolters they get combi bolters. 2 shots, not sustained fire ;) Know your enemy!
@SnipeandWib2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for mentioning this since this comment is how I learned that they just changed the rules for twin-bolters different between the main wargear book and the Chaos Codex. Oh GW... never change.
@benkerby48272 жыл бұрын
@@SnipeandWib no problem. 2nd edition is second nature to me, I never moved on to 3rd and played 2nd edition exclusively until a few years ago when I moved away from my gaming mates. Keep reading the rule book and it'll make sense eventually. Page 43 of the rule book on multiple combats might be worth giving another look at. +1 combat score and attack dice per additional attacker.
@foxdavion68652 жыл бұрын
My first encounter with 40K was in 1997 at a friends place when he bought a 2nd edition Box. At the time I was really into Lego and I scoffed at the idea of spending a lot of money on plastic I had to go to the trouble of painting that wasn't articulating like Lego minis or I could build stuff with like lego blocks. He told me that's not the point of it, it's a game system and the joy is in playing it with dice and painting the models. A kid two years younger than I was, explaining to me about how Warhammer was cooler than Lego. While I was at his place he was also showing off Warcraft II to me as well. I visited a GW store for the first time when I was there, it was really cool for me. This was a year before 3rd edition released and back then the store was full of models which were all bright colours, all the tables were either a bright green flak or grey spray paint over sand and plastic sheets (plastiboard) with those cardboard and plastic building props to look like city ruins. Eldar was *really* popular at that point; I remember they had two starter tables, one with Warhammer Fantasy, the other with 40K and the 40K table had Eldar verses Space Marines and the Fantasy table had Bretonnia verse Beastmen. At the time I humoured him; I never got into the hobby till two years later in 1999, during the second year of 3rd edition.
@MansMan420692 жыл бұрын
Makes me wish for a miniature wargame that has articulated models
@TimothyEdwards2 жыл бұрын
“Is second the edition with awful over complex combat rules?” Yes, yes it is.
@Mikey__R2 жыл бұрын
And yet are still simpler and faster than they were in RT. I've got with WD with the new revised rules in, 150 I think.
@richardbradley23352 жыл бұрын
i think awful sums up a lot of subjects to do with GW
@Mikey__R2 жыл бұрын
@@richardbradley2335 its so perfectly bad, in such a good way!
@richardbradley23352 жыл бұрын
@@Mikey__R geees tell me about it...8 armies i ave
@Mikey__R2 жыл бұрын
@@richardbradley2335 I've started collecting a 2nd ed Eldar army. It's built and primed, mostly, I just need to get it painted.
@schmeatmcmeat15872 жыл бұрын
I can't get over how cute of a couple you guys are. Best Warhammer channel by far
@marcwittkowski51462 жыл бұрын
Since just the cactus already triggered quite the nostalgia, I would definitely love a video in which you build era-appropriate terrain. Loved the video, thanks for that :)
@secondeditionwargaming2 жыл бұрын
Not going to mention any of the mistakes as the spirit of the game was great, very enjoyable! Feel free to check out my 2nd Ed hand to hand video, in the vain hope it may help to clarify things!
@dungeonsanddobbers26832 жыл бұрын
"I don't know how it works" 2e in a nutshell, right there.
@cbst6w52 жыл бұрын
Great video guys, I played tons of 2nd edition in the 90s with my best friends. Also, I recognized the Final Liberation soundtrack instantly! You definitely brought back lots of nostalgia!
@guitardunce75712 жыл бұрын
I've enjoyed this a hell of a lot more than most battle reports, even if 2E is a godawful ruleset, exactly like early D&D and Shadowrun. MOAR!
@Tinblitz2 жыл бұрын
Here's hoping for an upcoming video on building a "Wrecked Roll-on deodorant hovertank".
@StephenGraves2 жыл бұрын
It's so weird hearing the 2nd edition rules being described as "so weird," since they're the only 40K rules I know.
@secondeditionwargaming2 жыл бұрын
Hah, me too! I've good a few 2nd ed rules videos on my channel, always glad for any feedback!
@daveno7742 жыл бұрын
Yeah me too. It's the best edition I assume.
@chtulufhtagn1344 Жыл бұрын
Shame that you never ended up making another episode of this, it was really fun
@chrishomenuk152 жыл бұрын
Awesome video ...really took me down memory lane ...when my buddy and I played 2nd Ed on his pool table ..I was the 20 space marines and he used the 20 ork boys and 60 Gretchin !!! And card board ork dreadnought...one again Awesome video 🤙
@HerrBud2 жыл бұрын
That alien cactus with the cocktail sticks! I think I still have the White Dwarf that shows you how to make your won terrain pieces (including the cactus!)
@Trashloot2 жыл бұрын
I love this series. Could we maybe get some short highlight snippets or a diary type of thing from the off camera battle for an intro of the next video. Just little clips like: "Hey guys we are currently playing one of our training matches and we found out that ..." I don't know i just want to experience the learning and discovery phase with you guys.
@secondeditionwargaming2 жыл бұрын
I've done a 2nd ed hand to hand combat video over on my channel, if you want to get ahead of the curve!
@andytechdad2 жыл бұрын
aaaaah this brought back some memories. Most of these rules I think are still alive in Necromunda.
@happpyturtle24242 жыл бұрын
Love second edition's melee.... If it was used for an Rpg/dungeon crawl but for a wargame its really drags the game down.
@grimmuzz2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a terrain building video. Maybe a retrospective on the old card and Necromunda bulkhead sets to go with it?
@jenslorbeer53072 жыл бұрын
Awesome! We have just started to play 3rd edition again and we are having a blast, it’s so simple and fun.
@Steelwolf1712 жыл бұрын
Great video! Another scenario that might be a lot of fun is trying the "Battle at the Farm" scenario from the original Rogue Trader rules. Our gaming group tried it back in the 4th edition era and Rogue Trader plays completely differently (it's more of an Rogue in a lot of cases) but it's a lot of fun.
@MikeDavison2 жыл бұрын
Ah my favorite edition of the game (I am old, started in '87 with RT). Good to see 2nd ed. getting some play.
@secondeditionwargaming2 жыл бұрын
I've got a few 2nd rules videos on my channel, with more to come! come over and get your fix!
@MikeDavison2 жыл бұрын
@@secondeditionwargaming I am there and subscribed! Thanks!
@Gfloresadam2 жыл бұрын
Lol at the renaissance of a joke 😂 loving this batrep so far!
@FearlessSon2 жыл бұрын
I got into 40K in the mid nineties with Second Edition, so this has been a nostalgia trip for me. Regarding your query near the end, I have to say building terrain was actually one of the more appealing parts of the hobby for me (and I'm a little sad the hobby seemed to shift away from homemade terrain toward more purchased kits.) My father was a professional set designer, so I could use the workshop he set up in the basement to do things like cut terrain bases out of scrap wood using a stationary jigsaw, something the "How to Make Wargames Terrain" guide Citadel published in 1996 said was "ideal" but also "impractical" for most people. Oh! Speaking of, reviewing and then building using the techniques in that book would probably be a great thing to do for the channel. Fits your theme and would be quite fun to execute on.
@ericmumper68212 жыл бұрын
Very nostalgic. I remember how incredibly how hard terminators were in this edition. Looking forward to the vortex grenade in a future episode.
@secondeditionwargaming2 жыл бұрын
Haha, vortex grenades were always banned, by gentleman's agreement.
@kglguy2 жыл бұрын
Vortex weapons: the bane of every GW game they appear in. They added vortex missiles to the new edition of Adeptus Titanicus, and they're still obnoxious.
@ericmumper68212 жыл бұрын
@@kglguy you say “bane” I say “hilarity”. You haven’t lived till the vortex grenade sucks in the model who threw it, an entire unit of models, and a nearby building. 🤣😂
@secondeditionwargaming2 жыл бұрын
@@ericmumper6821 Ha, yeah good point. I might do a battle report with just vortex grenades!
@johnashley-smith49872 жыл бұрын
The vortex grenade was an auto include for our games!
@MrClassicor2 жыл бұрын
Yupp, this is what we used to do for fun "back in the day"... mission cards and all that good stuff really helped around some of the more awkward elwments of the rules though
@wolvz70812 жыл бұрын
I’m old and this is the only version of any miniature game I’ve ever played (bar Heroquest/ Space Crusade) and watching this brought back floods of memories about how to play this game. Strangely for me I can’t imagine how you play 40k without these ‘roll to hit’ ‘roll to wound’ ‘roll to save’ rules. Aren’t they done nowadays? I suppose you can’t teach an old dog new tricks.
@secondeditionwargaming2 жыл бұрын
Stick with the old tricks! I've done a few 2nd ed rules videos on my channel, feedback very welcome!
@owenbevt32 жыл бұрын
shooting into combat: thats how my Chapter Master fell to a friends allied grot - who wasn't even aiming for him but the hive tyrant he was happily ripping apart.
@Dagenham_Swish2 жыл бұрын
34 minutes of Snipe and Wib playing 2nd edition? Christmas has come a week early!
@secondeditionwargaming2 жыл бұрын
I've done a few 2nd ed rules videos over on my channel, if you fancy getting ready for their next game!
@pokeric2 жыл бұрын
I could watch y’all describe paint drying. Love your chemistry.
@GalianMode2 жыл бұрын
Spiky ball alien plant, perfection.
@QW-xi4xj2 жыл бұрын
Got to love the Final Liberation nod.
@mrchom2 жыл бұрын
Commissar Holt is still my mental model for a commissar. Final Liberation with the Land Raider patch and Paladins unlocked was great.
@CthulhuOnCam2 жыл бұрын
I got this codex when I was a weeeee baby geek. I remember 2 rules! Rapid Fire, if you don't move you shoot twice and if your ork falls off a vehicle while your moving it, he counts as having falling off and has to do his own thing. I also remember my dad who nether understood or cared about 40k, reading me battle reports from white dwarf. It'd among my fondest memories cause the poor man must have been so confused but he knew I liked it so powered through
@Looshkin12 жыл бұрын
This takes me back 25 years...
@neverness922 жыл бұрын
There I was going "I wonder if Wib knows that all (as in EACH) marine could have lobbed Krak Grenades at those Terminators". I don't think the opportunity was really ever there to do it, but it would have been awesome if he could have pulled that off.
@entropy21002 жыл бұрын
I think you get 1+ combat score for each additional model in base contact (I could be wrong though). Also you forgot the “parry” rules for swords, you can force your opponent to re role any dice (although if each model has a sword they cancel out)
@patchcoatgrey34342 жыл бұрын
Wow, this takes me back... I'm getting flashbacks to my poor poor cadians getting stuck in melee against... well... anything, really...
@ravensroost32242 жыл бұрын
This was very fun! I do hope to see terrain building yes, it sounds like it could be very cool!
@Daktangle2 жыл бұрын
I think "no premeasure" was because of Guess range weapons like mortars and Whirlwinds. They carried over into at least 3rd ed, and you had to guess with them first before measuring. Damn fiddly and time consuming, but felt really good to land the template smack bang in the middle of an enemy unit. :D
@Hiddenronin2 жыл бұрын
Loving the Final Liberation music. Pure Nostalgia.
@MADSAHAD2 жыл бұрын
I have said on other videos, I am a fan from just before the release of the 2nd Edition box set and a few of my friends and my three sons are now having a blast playing 2nd edition WH40K
@secondeditionwargaming2 жыл бұрын
If you need help with 2nd ed rules I've got a few videos on my channel, with more to come!
@MADSAHAD2 жыл бұрын
@@secondeditionwargaming I am a pro at 2nd edition i also spent the past summer hunting down the 2nd Edition codex books 👍
@whos-your-mate2 жыл бұрын
Era appropriate terrain - bean tins and egg boxes 👌 That was brilliant, well done 👍
@BryanDouglas447 ай бұрын
12:54 encapsulates my entire 90s WH40K experience.
@DanielSwindlehurst2 жыл бұрын
Yes. More please. Lots more. Playing odd-size games with ancient models and home-made scenery whilst having a fairly loose relationship with the rules is absolutely my jam, so this was a delight to watch. Delight. I would enthusiastically, well, as enthusiastically as I can, demand more of this. Demand's putting it rather forcefully. It would be wonderful to see more. More units, more terrain, more story. I really enjoyed this by the way. Just wanted to make sure I got that across. Love you bye Edit: Love that red shirt by the way, very dashing. Snipe, everything wonderful.
@13bboom542 жыл бұрын
Best edition IMHO. If I recall correctly, storm bolters roll sustained fire die first , get result, unless a jam, that result # would be the shots then roll for hits then wounds. SO should of been each termi would of had a minimum of 1 shot max of 3 shots if no jam is rolled. Good to see you two keeping the game alive!!!!! Awesome video!
@theshuttingdowns2 жыл бұрын
As someone who used to run 2nd ed intro games and store weekend games, we generally did away with the combat rules as written because otherwise a) No new person would ever play the damned game, and b) saturday games would have taken forever. It did end up roll number of attacks to hit and then roll to wound, just to keep it moving, and I know we weren't the only store to do that, and funilly enough it's how 3rd edition did things! Trust me, you guys did good for 2nd ed newbies!
@ctm3122 жыл бұрын
you guys are the only people i watch play warhammer online, i love when you do these so much :D
@anneliseolsen68962 жыл бұрын
This was a nice trip down memory lane. Not that I played 40k during 2nd ed, as I started playing in 1998. But I have used the 2nd ed 40k rules, as they were also used for the 1st edition of Necromunda. Also. Yes please, to you making more videos in this series. Even if it's just making terrain, as many of the GW produced, and the homemade pieces of terrain from that era can easily be adapted for use with the current edition.
@secondeditionwargaming2 жыл бұрын
I've got a few 2nd ed rules videos on my channel, with more to come! Feedback welcome!
@steinarbergstl57992 жыл бұрын
You should try a game where you add the rules from the Dark Millennium expansion box. The psychic phase rules there were practically an entire game within the game with different psychich power cards for the various races and pulling warp cards each turn to see how much power your psyker had available to spend on his powers that turn. :)
@glenmcinnes48242 жыл бұрын
Also I just remembered, Army Commanders are Independent Characters, they don't come as part of Units but can join them. IIRC Marines can have 5 man Veteran Squads, IIRC you could buy a Squad and give them all the Options (including Wargear Card for the Sergent) and attach a Captain for around 500pts.
@StephenLeaSheppard2 жыл бұрын
Legend has it that Space Marine Captain and that Terminator Lord are dueling to this day.
@MarkAndersonAudio2 жыл бұрын
All my memories of 2nd edition involve unkillable chaos terminators. Getting flashbacks right now.
@MakCurrel2 жыл бұрын
Ahhhh sustained fire dice. Nostalgia!
@malloc71082 жыл бұрын
I love this; you can see the bones of what became 8th (transitioning from 7th) and the new KT here. Lots of creativity, not a lot of iterative testing I'm guessing
@Halogodzilla123432 жыл бұрын
The idea of the terminators wanting to make friends while in actuality slaughtering people like the Pyro does is something that I now headcannon.
@Chipperz12 жыл бұрын
I may be a mutant here, but I grokked the 2nd ed. combat rules practically instantly. I can neither explain nor really even parse HOW I worked them out, but I absolutely understand them. Also, some era-appropriate terrain would be delightful! EDIT - Also, I cannot wait for someone to discover Antiplant Missiles and take a shot at the Weird Alien Cactus...
@CaptainTrollbeard2 жыл бұрын
Really happy you are gonna continue this series, looking forward to see you suffer through the vehicle rules. Also, great choice of soundtrack as always.
@secondeditionwargaming2 жыл бұрын
I've done a few 2nd ed videos on my channel that would have helped them, vehicle rules to be posted next!
@johnashley-smith49872 жыл бұрын
Vehicles were most useful when flipping and exploding...can't remember many times of them doing much else!
@secondeditionwargaming2 жыл бұрын
@@johnashley-smith4987 Yeah, or transports exploding and killing the entire squad inside
@godconvoy2 жыл бұрын
I'm somewhat more interested in that shelf of Transformers! Love this video! You guys are the best!
@obnoxiouspriest2 жыл бұрын
Big 'ol double yes on the terrain making! It's as fun to watch as it is to do!
@booradley11382 жыл бұрын
"Who are they wearing?" "ULTRA by Roboute, the new shade for men."
@filkinraous18062 жыл бұрын
Love to see you both revisit the 2nd edition games off and on, continuing to build these forces. Knowing those codecis, 750 points should still be pretty reasonable for the coffee table play. Only rule I saw you miss is the krak missile still uses template, albeit only the center point, and will still scatter on a miss. But don't quote me, only learning this edition now myself!
@kelanex34882 жыл бұрын
I loved this, please do more. Also a terrain making video for the era is perfect since I am trying to do the same too for my local hobby shop.
@christopheraaron12552 жыл бұрын
Crux Terminatus was a game changer, literally. As was the 3rd-7th ed AP system. So much cleaner than having to do maths every 5 minutes.
@Grubnar2 жыл бұрын
4:20 I remember this one guy who ALWAYS called them "rocket-launchers", never MISS-ile launchers, for this very reason!
@dmeep2 жыл бұрын
I must have been good all year to get my christmas gift this early
@sanguinumlacrimisofangeli30762 жыл бұрын
Yes please on the terrain. Also the tension as the commanders were nearly knocking helmets was palpable
@andrewmarrington56542 жыл бұрын
My minis were never as well painted when I played 2nd edition :) If there were FAQs in White Dwarf we knew nothing about them. Thanks for these videos! So much fun.
@TheWasteOfTime2 жыл бұрын
2nd Edition was when my friends and I did pretty much all our playing. I remember we were always playing a bit loosey goosey with the morale rules and just ignored points altogether (my friend Dylan had an army that was basically just an Avatar of Khaine and a shit ton of Warp Spiders and I remember thinking "hmmmmm, this feels unbalanced." I'd check the rule book and sure enough it was, but what the hell, we were poor and that was the army he bought...), but it was fun back then.
@Kaiyanwang82 Жыл бұрын
You now remember that we have the same sculpts of the same Warp Spiders in 2023. Hope to be updated soon.
@thomassaxon82542 жыл бұрын
With multiple strikes in combat you do need to alternate if you've multiple melee weapons/pistols as well. So if the Chaos Lord had a pistol plus power claws, then the first attack could have been the claws, the second the pistol etc. In this instance the pistol would have been using its ranged profile (I'll admit I can't remember the full load out of the Chaos Lord). Also for melee - if you've a basic weapon it's a minus 1 modifier to your dice roles.
@cspo2 жыл бұрын
I loved second edition. Particularly my opponent's frustration when I would give smoke grenades to my Grey Hunters, move, throw smoke, and then have to roll for each smoke cloud at the beginning of the next turn, only to move, throw smoke again! The good old days!