Sonic 3 Prototype & others - But does it work on Real Hardware?

[@FlamingFoxProd]

5:21 _And so, all out of options and running out of hope, I did the only thing I could and I booked a flight to Japan._

[@gnaurai6251]

i got it

[@Mysgelatin]

he went there for a f***ing sticker

[@stupidface2292]

damn you Nick

[@Sonen10]

Pizza

[@jace8289]

I didn't expect a Nick Robinson reference in a redhotsonic comment section

[@ScatterbrainPete]

3:36 That's interesting. Perhaps it could be a sign that the game was made for the Master System first and then ported to the Game Gear.

[@redhotsonic]

Yeah, I think that's exactly the case here :)

[@Den_Ukrainian001]

​@@redhotsonicRed-Hot-Sonic, do you know Sonic the Hedgehog on Master System has some secret codes?

[@itstimeforMario64PLAYER]

​@@redhotsonic But I read that the June (or is it the July one, the one that didn't work. ) Sonic Chaos Proto writes to a game gear exclusive memory address, which on a Master System, will Cut out much of the Ram.

[@BFTKL]

​@@redhotsonic hedgehog

[@revolutionstudios5052]

Wait! What happens if you lock on the Sonic 3 Proto to S&K? Is that even possible?

[@_danu]

Unfinished s3&k?

[@revolutionstudios5052]

@@_danu Maybe. More likely just blue spheres.

[@revolutionstudios5052]

@Katherine sonjon ...what? I mean, I get what you're saying, but we're in a timeline where there is no Sonic 1 prototype.

[@revolutionstudios5052]

@Katherine sonjon Hm.

[@comicaze8238]

Revolution Team not really, he’s able to get the game working on the everdrive, so any s&k cart wont affect any game.

[@9393zach]

MY THEORY IS by the time this Sonic Chaos was being programmed Aspect was using Mega Drive hardware to test the game, so they didn't bother testing it on original hardware so early. You should try it in a master-gear converter!

[@adamsfusion]

This is my thought too. 1993 was really late for the MS and it's likely that dev teams opted to use the much more powerful MD development kits during initial production and demo stages.

[@PercyPanleo]

As someone else has mentioned, the game is actually looking for a port that doesn't exist on the consumer Master Systems that was used for music development. Thus, the game hangs. I'd imagine that if it works on the Mega Drive, it may work on the FM Master System.

[@VancouverFan]

or a power base converter

[@madekillasam1553]

@@VancouverFan or a master system converter II

[@RaysGamingChannel2003]

Yeah or they where using a development SMS console (if those existed)

[@donutdome]

6:54 This music makes it sound like he needs to do this to live and is under so much pressure

[@XentinelSB]

Wow.

[@noobypants1567]

redhotsonic: “You can undislike the video now” 97 people: n o

[@somerandomhandle]

124* edit: i just only said "124*" and theres a war here

[@noobypants1567]

Эльмира Гарифуллина you know this was made 2 months ago right?

[@buttergolf]

128*

[@AlmondTheGuy]

Jakyrin Rutherford *138*

[@chefblue7218]

*140

[@themcguinnessexperiment617]

I'm a simple man. I see RHS, I click.

[@cm-ih1jb]

Me too! 😁

[@themcguinnessexperiment617]

@@cm-ih1jb What is this, a crossover episode?

[@themcguinnessexperiment617]

@Pero Perić thanks

[@XentinelSB]

Same.

[@themcguinnessexperiment617]

@Fluffy TKC going pretty well. How's yourself?

[@Cloud67TR]

"it's a prototype of the original game,of course it will work on real hardware" Sonic chaos (sms) (june 30): Are you sure about that?

[@Mazher94]

They probably used the MD dev kits to develop chaos and then when they found out it didn't work on the SMS and GG that's when they started to rework/optimize the game for those consoles. As people have said before, it is likely they used a more powerful and up to date dev kits of the MD since it surprisingly had backwards compatibility with SMS games with the OG hardware still there. But, since it is a more updated version of SMS's hardware, when testing on the original outdated SMS, the game crashes.

[@itsNikash.]

A bunch of Sonic prototype tests in one, nice. I was surprised to see Sonic Chaos working using the Everdrive MD on the Mega Drive instead of on the Game Gear or Master System. Was really helpful to see various methods. 10:34 bouncing in style!

[@RudyHHOfficial]

"The game will hang on a black screen after the title screen on some Master System models due to writing to a Game Gear-exclusive I/O port, which happens to map to a port that handles memory mapping on these models, effectively disabling most memory regions." "If this crash is bypassed, it is found once again when trying to select Tails in the character select menu, and at the end of the title card screen."

[@dannyleedawber]

8:50 Dying on Emerald Hill... SMH :P

[@Some_Cat_]

I think I actually prefer the beta Hydrocity background to the release version. Would have been nice to see it in act 2 of Mania

[@whact]

really? it looks kinda messed up

[@564ozz]

Even in encore mode It would have been acceptable

[@odenderg9618]

Title: Sonic 3 Prototype Reality: Guy tries to get Sonic Chaos Prototype to work on Master System

[@MinecrafterPictures]

At least he didn't clickbait it

[@Oysterblade84]

Awesome review redhotsonic! Loved every minute of it. Aside from the world wide Game Gear version in 60Hz, it's funny you call the PAL Master System the (rubbish one) because Sonic Chaos if purchased for the SMS was intended to be played in 50Hz back in 1993 and it was only released in PAL regions. Would love for you to do a quick review of these hacks on real hardware: 1. Sonic Redemption 2. Sonic 1 The Blue Blurr 3. Sonic 1 & 2 Three of my all time favourite (broken Sonic hacks).

[@greenjay9nokiproductions249]

Wow nice vid Red.

[@javianwilliams7463]

10:36 Eecks, that looks headache-inducing.

[@keiyakins]

Does the June Sonic Chaos build work if you put it on a Master System Everdrive and put that in a Power Base Converter? That seems like a useful data point for tracking down the problem.

[@WakoDoodle]

Kinda wish the sonic 3 & knuckles pc version was ported to consoles with their menu intact, just adjusted for the system. Those who aren't aware, loading the pc version (which many know has midi versions of the prototype songs in an official release) will bring up a window to select the game you want. Sonic 3, sonic & knuckles and sonic 3 & knuckles. Meaning you got pretty much 3 versions of the original game in one pack; but it gets better! It also comes with a wallpaper and a cool animated screensaver (it was cool for the time okay!) so imagine say, releasing this on the 3ds or switch with the choice of 3 games + a new theme for sonic 3!

[@scoundrel8440]

oh hell nah i prefer michael jackson's songs

[@WakoDoodle]

@@scoundrel8440 That version is already on the DS and steam btw.

[@nathanielhermanson3110]

5:35 advertisement break.

[@jackgibsonfirstalt]

Prediction: you will call the sonic 3 prototype partially because it crashes when tails grabs anything Although it’s not the genesis’s fault it’s actually because some sprites don’t exist for tails so it crashes

[@redhotsonic]

For a single crash like that, it still would have passed.

[@WohaoG]

plus it's not a fault of the real hardware@@redhotsonic

[@Jasongamer9000]

1:52 I found it quite interesting since I played this on Genesis Plus GX and when I went to the past the first time, it actually functioned correctly and took me to the past, rather than staying in the present.

[@ShadowKirbo0]

Hi jason

[@DerickAlexsander.Official]

-SONIC CHAOS- OR -SONIC AND TAILS- *_Different Game Names in a Nutshell_*

[@Pokycraftgamer9]

imagine if the games name was actully SONIC CHAOS OR SONIC AND TAILS

[@theultimatehomiegsenior3058]

@@Pokycraftgamer9 xD

[@Cacodevidro432]

sliaT dna cinoS ro soahC cinoS

[@RobiWanKenobi_567]

the sonic three prototype was made 15 years before I was born

[@Dbombre]

Then your 11

[@sonc_]

Ronan Stout made made 13.5 years before I was born.

[@coconutfredenjoyer2863]

10:35 Top 5 villains in Sonic: 5. Metal Sonic 4. Shadow 3. Chaos 2. Dr. Eggman 1. *The springs in Carnival Night*

[@EnergyTheFoxProductions]

Maybe the prototype for Sonic Chaos was MADE for the Megadrive

[@NeoGraena]

According to some guy, Aspect used MD Dev Kits at this point instead of MS Dev Kits

[@PH_B_S]

Hi! Redhot Sonic! I Liked The Vid I Like Your Content Alot! My Fav Video is this one

[@thunderbro7]

How was the sound on the Sonic 3 prototype on actual hardware? I know there were lots of sound issues in emulation.

[@redhotsonic]

Yeah, it was buggy on hardware as well. Seemed extremely similar to KEGA.

[@thunderbro7]

@@redhotsonic I assumed this was likely the case. Thanks for the info!

[@HavenOfOddities]

Your script writing gets better with each video. Very good!

[@redhotsonic]

Actually, this wasn't scripted. I didn't have time so I winged it. I guessed it worked out!

[@PotatoeV96]

For some Reason in Hydrocity Zone when the drowning Jingle starts when you go in Debug/Air it plays an early Version of Mushroom Valley Zone Act 1

[@its_4life]

imagine if someone clicked off the video before he even said he was kidding about the fake ending...

[@benmandiangu]

I like how June 30th Prototype (Sonic Chaos) is on my birthday and it doesn't work due to there not being a port.

[@TorutheRedFox]

I knew that the S3 proto worked on hardware beforehand because I checked myself :P

[@icecoldassassin8531]

10:34 "Okay, who puts springs in the middle of a damn ̶f̶o̶r̶e̶s̶t̶ circus."

[@javianwilliams7463]

2:22 3:48 8:26 9:27 10:32 YES.

[@brittanybasinger4163]

First video i've watched of yours, awesome!

[@sonicmoviefan2o2o51]

OH BOY I HAD LOTS OF FUN PLAYING THIS PROTOTYPE!

[@Korek644]

I love the dancing mega cd logo 0:10

[@UltraSonicHero]

During that video I also heard a bone crack. Ouch! XD

[@scaranara24]

Beautiful, my boy is back

[@HEXlDEClMAL]

0:31 so there’s the average KZbinr, then there’s possibly you hacking into it.

[@comicsansgreenkirby]

6:54 The BGM almost has that feel of an enemy in pursuit in Bosconian.

[@The-Thomas-and-Sonic-Guy]

Hey how do i get Sonic cd v.0.02 on Kega fusion 3.64 running? It did the same thing that happened (aka crashed on the "Copyright" screen or the big 3d sega screen). Please help me!

[@purpleghost2004]

something i'm a bit curious about is what happens if you try playing the master system prototypes on a game gear, since if i'm not mistaken, the game gear can play master system games natively. i wonder if it'd be any different from playing on a master system or mega drive

[@Cliffordlonghead]

Awesome Video

[@Arandomspongebobguy]

How come sonic 2 time attack dont work for me? I start and it stops.

[@VancouverFan]

I’m pretty sure that the SEGA Mark III with a everdrive for the mark III would work!

[@Luix]

Sonic 3 complete works on real hardware?

[@jamesrgamesoffical]

Luis Mediavilla that actually does exist with a cartridge you don’t a emulator for it

[@Thamus979]

@@jamesrgamesoffical :V

[@hunterevans8069]

7:50 oh commo- (BLEEP)

[@susanswan6160]

Either he said:"Oh commo- (beeeep)" or :"Oh god- (beeeep)"

[@wesleyfine5528]

Still waiting for the Sonic chaos remake.

[@EnsignChummi]

He Asked for Disliking So I am Im liking.

[@elipotter2826]

people: its zero! redhotsonic: *N O T*

[@redhotsonic]

*naught

[@elipotter2826]

@@redhotsonic just imagine making an equation and putting "something - N A U G H T ="

[@bluecoldsonic]

For some odd reason, when i tried playing Sonic CD version 0.02 on my mega-cd, i got no audio except for the SFX of sonic jumping, spindashing etc. Is there a reason for this Redhotsonic?

[@redhotsonic]

I can't say for sure but sounds like when you burned the ISO, it was not including the tracks. So the game is probably trying to play the music, but it's non-existant.

[@bluecoldsonic]

@@redhotsonic ah ok, also the ISO file was from Sonic Retro 😂

[@bluecoldsonic]

​@@redhotsonicalso did you know that the Member called "Lee Clark" was me back in 2019?

[@SonicTheFantastic]

Do you know that all of the Genesis and Master System very first prototype versions up until the later builds, The European versions (50hz) have the same music speed as Sonic 1? Please do a comparison to these when you test them!!! Sorry this was long, I'm excited for you to do it!

[@KuraIthys]

It's interesting when they decided to fix the games vs when they didn't. Also why they only chose to fix the music, and not the game speed as a whole. In a more general sense it's interesting seeing which companies bothered to fix the speed differences and which didn't, because this problem persisted into the Playstation and N64... For instance, Blast Corps on n64 runs slower on a PAL machine. They DID adjust the target times for the missions to take this into account, but they didn't fix the game speed. (Another interesting question you can ask with games is which is the 'correct' speed? Faster isn't always the intended behaviour. And for instance, Blast Corps is developed by Rare, which is a british company, thus you would assume the PAL version is the original, and the NTSC is a conversion... And thus faster than intended.) Meanwhile, on the SNES you never had the audio problems that the Mega Drive/Genesis had, but you still had games running slower. At first glance that seems weird. But I think I know why that is. - the Mega Drive uses the z80 for audio, but also for Master System compatibility. For this reason the z80 in a PAL system has to run at PAL compatible clock speeds. The Audio CPU in a SNES is JUST for audio processing, and never for any other purpose. On top of that it's default clock speed is something like 2.4 mhz, so it doesn't match up with any other CPU in the system anyway. Presumably that means the PAL audio CPU simply runs at the exact same speed. (similarly, I think the SuperFX on a pal machine still runs at 10.74/21.477 mhz, even though these are NOT PAL frequencies...) Even more interesting than all the games which mess up the speed due to lazy conversion, are the games which do in fact fix things. Did you know that Mario Kart on SNES runs at the same speed on both PAL and NTSC machines? I was surprised, since that's unusual. (yes, the PAL system is running 50 fps, and the NTSC 60 fps - but the actual ingame movement speeds are identical - they took the altered framerate into account and adjusted the timings to match.) That's pretty surprising given how indifferent developers tended to be to the whole issue...

[@qqjonson1234]

2:05 why does the cd have a label next to the 700 saying: Sex?

[@Mannymations]

gender…

[@SuperSmashBrosFan64]

It says 52X 💀

[@wormsex]

Wow Sonic’s design closet matches his S3 design in that SonicChaosGG prototype

[@ibis03]

Is that just me or in the Sonic 3 prototype there was a dropdash?

[@gerryscottis]

The Chaos Proto is for mega drive because that was already launched

[@theechickengamerz]

5:50 I didn’t know Japanese was a a frequency!

[@dameilyberas9892]

My favorite prototype is the Sonic 2 & Sonic 3 prototype ‘s

[@noahmajor7616]

I love the handheld megadrive that plays Sonic chaos. :v

[@Kazuo1G]

3:40 I think the wrong size is because they're using SMS graphics and layout on a system with a lower screen size and resolution.

[@thehunterator520]

Ah yes, my favorite portable console, the mega drive

[@0n1c420]

Sega nomad will embarrass you

[@jermallkinley279]

What's the beeta or baeta about? ( silly question! but please answer. )

[@sopix7761]

how do you pronounce "beta"

[@roxywp15]

Man its been a year...

[@SkeleGamer101]

can the sonic 3 proto be used with the sonic & knuckles cart in any way?

[@nuggetpotato5471]

I believe it loads Sonic & Knuckles

[@SkeleGamer101]

@@nuggetpotato5471 I meant if you hacked it, or used the edmdv3 route

[@nuggetpotato5471]

@@SkeleGamer101 it's not like it will load S3&K

[@SkeleGamer101]

@@nuggetpotato5471 still worth it to try

[@MonochromeWench]

Should have tried the june master system sonic chaos on the game gear, the game gear basically being a handheld master system

[@Angy7841]

It's kinda crazy that it's possible to sonic 3 prototype on a mobile device with an emulator

[@spsaofficalchannel]

Too bad undisliking or disliking the video doesn’t matter anymore…

[@lucianothewindowsfan]

Maybe the Jun 30th prototype has an anti-piracy feature.

[@ValkyrieMC]

in the sonic 3 prototype you can drop dash. up and b.

[@enderbo]

We tested NTSC-U, PAL, and NTSC-J, but it doesn't work on real hardware *SECAM has left the game*

[@gexoissad8619]

Very cool video Sonic is a good game

[@zbigniewkocik8207]

You can also find cartridges of Sonic 2 prototypes on bootleg websites

[@superofsrb2196]

wow i would never have thought

[@SuperDupTNT]

What do you mean you didn't show off Sonic 3 prototype and Knuckles?

[@Rasheed470]

Its just blue spheres

[@erroljohnalamillo3052]

I like when the sign says beeta or baeta its beta

[@thesmiler-g5u]

Wait but it’s sonic cd at start

[@Pyrodiac]

Ok. He already did Sonic 1, That was the first one TCRF streamed, and it's canonically in between 1 and 2.

[@FirmDaKitsuneOfficial]

I say, he must try to see if "An Ordinary Sonic ROM Hack" work on real hardware, could be fun.

[@redhotsonic]

Maybe on October 31st =P

[@FirmDaKitsuneOfficial]

Ok, hope you'll maybe get chased by Sonic.exe on real hardware =P

[@seba2366]

It might be one of those cases that Works in the Dev Consoles but not in the Real hardware since both consoles are different, the Devs one are usually slightly Faster and potent than the Retail one

[@Alex-tf6tj]

Sonic 3 Prototype + Sonic & Knuckles Prototype - does it work on Real Hardware or Sonic 3 Limited Edition Prototype - does it work on Real Hardware?

[@thatannoyingrappingboi1775]

you make the video 2 days befor my 9 years birthday :D

[@relu419]

Technically, these games work cause it's the ORIGINAL EPROM with all hardware pass, but for someway, can't pass the blackscreen (maybe model/region/lock)?

[@dougcolemanjr.4182]

Next time you show off the sonic 3 Prototype you should see what would happen if you attached sonic and knuckles to the prototype

[@javianwilliams7463]

7:29 NO.

[@alumlovescake]

Yo

[@hunterevans8069]

I hate ads I'm gonna remove ads 7:29

[@AlmondTheGuy]

2:39 ive got a game gear here yes an actual game gear, so as you can see on my megadr- ???

[@RoseihDBTB]

Yeah it works I used to have one with a everdrive and sonic and tails worked what worked it seems is as soon as dirt got into the thing it worked? Don’t have it anymore never recorded it and yes it’s the same version

[@BatuhanArdaHalhallı]

9:44 biten video başlarken hepsinim bir şaka olduğu ortaya çıkıyor.

[@SluggishRain]

I wonder how the community gets these betas?

[@sethgob5591]

But What if you attach sonic & knuckles to the 2 and 3 protos?

[@BuggaDude2012]

10:34 bro forgot to pause ☠️

[@gamingteen3336]

well to answer your question: It's Baeta

[@Brainulator9]

Makes me wonder what causes the Master System to choke on that one prototype.

[@TorutheRedFox]

very likely the everdrive itself as it works perfectly fine on the mega drive

[@ccateni28]

@@TorutheRedFox definitely

[@L._Vireo]

You should've tested if Sonic 3 locked on with Sonic & Knuckles.

[@XaidynPinckney]

Sonic chaos sonic sprite looks gorgeous

[@llwoodstockll]

i`m pretty sher that the Sega logo is glitched because it borrowed from sonic 2

[@RockRedGenesis]

I love the Japanese box art for Sonic 2 & 3, so much going on!

[@nicholasdavidson5683]

I dont remember sonic surfing in sonic 3

[@syedfahim2973]

This is a prototype a version of the Game before the full game has been released to the public.

[@nicholasdavidson5683]

@@syedfahim2973 damn that would have been nice :)

[@AMELIAISMYBESTIEFOREVER12]

*When glitchy stages exist in prototypes* MY BRAIN HURTS

[@AceJackWagon885]

You can use a master system controller on a sega genesis/mega drive

[@AceJackWagon885]

On real hardware