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[@fastandnightfurious4279]

I had a thought cross my mind and I thought I’d put it out there so that i can hear peoples opinions on it. Escape pods, while not currently implemented functionally I would love on ships like the constellation or hammerhead which have an 8 man crew to have a button that the pilot can press which will make red lights flash and an alarm sound (variating depending on brand) so that crew know to bolt for the escape pods

[@Pratchet_]

“Is that a track? Oh it’s a track. That’s a cool idea, isn’t it.” Yes Tactical, it is. It is indeed.

[@Axxo978]

Axxocellent Review - I love the AEGIS Vanguard Warden. Mainly due to the fact that, it's like the Sabre, but with an added living quarters. Perfect for two players to travel and journey together on, especially when Mission Sharing becomes viable. Long range fighter with all the weaponry you'll ever need, while supplied with good armoring to take a beating. The AEGIS Vanguard Warden is definitely a ship that gives off the intimidation fear factor and is certainly space superiority. - Axxo978

[@Merkaba954]

Since they confirmed that the nose guns will be changeable in 3.7 the vanguard series has become my favorite ship. I am so glad I purchased it. I am very satisfied with the changes to the warden. Now I hope they have slightly increased the flight capabilities. My only real complain is the cutlass is faster in Hurstons atmosphere which makes no sense at all.

[@Curveball]

They should have had the nose guns on gimbals, and there are still holes in it's shields that allow direct damage to the hull even with full shields. Other than those issues, the Vanguard is solid.

[@68Lima]

Still going to be limited options for guns and without the option to run gimbals. You can outfit a cutlass with more dps in a fixed configuration than a vangaurd and you don't have to pay the "fighter tax". Ship looks cool but still a way overpriced under performing ship. I really want to like it too.

[@spacefx1340]

@@68Lima Someone with a brain, nice to know i'm not the only one that thinks the same of the vanguard...

[@DerFehlfaktor]

@@68Lima im with you, but the Drake's will get paper thin armor compared to the Vanguard...

[@shadowsa2b]

Well, isnt the Cutlass a bit of a smaller lighter (when empty) ship than a vanguard?

[@verpine3534]

Always a good time watching your ship reviews, Tac. I'm looking forward to the Harbinger for myself, and I'll definitely watch your review of it when it's flight ready later this year. Cheers!

[@bryanc.6735]

Always love your reviews Tactical. I watch them all. Thank you and keep it up. I have owned this ship since it was released and am overly excited about the changes to this ship. I can hardly wait.

[@Matt43]

Really got a kick out of the missile size comparison section (3:40)

[@DarthWall275]

Frontier Games adding this feature in ED, or Star Citizen being released. Place your bets which will take longer.

[@SPJCerv]

after so long of reading and watching the feedback for the Vanguard..this looks like a very good update including many of the desired features. TY for the video! looking forward to the Live release and the chance see it for myself!

[@Hewbroc]

You guys are great. Love from your friends over at Imperium. Cheers!

[@derrickross4867]

Love how you talk! So chill😁

[@BuzZzKiller]

Another great vid, Tac. Can't wait for the 890!

[@noemic.8966]

This guy has such a nice laugh! Thanks for the reviews, they are super helpful!

[@Leispada]

Oh wow. those videos side by side really does hammer home the change they made

[@jamesp7987]

I plan on using a Vanguard Harbinger to escort my Anvil Carrack. I would store a stockpile of torpedoes for the Harbinger in the Carrack's cargo bay and I should eventually be able to reload the Harbinger when I am out of the battle. I am sort of assuming that the Carrack can refuel other ships in some shape or form because it has a fuel refinery. I expect the that way that it refuels will be less time effecient than it would be on a Starfarer.

[@MrMadmanUSA]

I would think that with render to texture they can make on board cameras work on cockpit screen.

[@KrishLius]

nice vid as always! do you have a vid comparing freelancer dur to cutlas black? i was wondering which one to get out of those 2

[@mechanoidwarhead5530]

I speculate the pod will take the gun with it, but the pod's batteries won't be able to power the turret for combat.

[@LordTiberius52]

It needs 2 more size 4 hard points. This is supposed to be a HEAVY Fighter. Interchangeable size 2s are still size 2. It's currently on par with the heartseeker..

[@SgtTeddybear66]

Size 4? That's way too much with all due respect. I personally was hoping for 4 S3's but from what I know, The Vanguards S2's are better than normal S2's. So they are essentially fixed S3's

[@LordTiberius52]

@@SgtTeddybear66 actually, the size 2 MVSA is almost exactly the same as the M4A. Both have 183 Damage per shot, 75 RPM, 229 burst DPS. Sustained DPS is 197 (MVSA) vs 192 (M4A) and the MVSA range is 2020 vs the M4A's 2250. Proir to the great gun nerfing of 3.5, each MVSA was about what an M5A is now, and you could put an M7A on and do some serious damage. THAT is when the Warden was just about right. The Role I see for the Warden is that 3-5 of them should pose a serious threat to a hammerhead or Polaris. But the direction we see CIG going. They have pretty much doubled size 1 and 2 shields, they are going to make size 1 shields slow to recharge. And size 3 have huge shield strength and fast recharge. It is going to take serious firepower to get through a size 3 shield. The Vanguards are very slow in the maneuverability department. So they are very poor at dogfighting. If they don't have some serious punch, what are they good for? Too big to take on dogfighters, too weak to take on larger ships. Sure, they are pretty good at killing cutlasses. But this is a Military ship. What is its role in a fleet battle? It either needs to restore the Damage it had before, or it needs more big guns. I like the idea of 2 size 4 hardpoints with gimbaled size 3s to go with the gimbaled size 4 on the chin. (the 325A has a size 4 and 2 size 3s fixed) together with the quad size 2s on the nose... I don't think that's out of line, when we are comparing it to the 325 and the Heartseeker. Even the Freelancer has 4 gimbaled size 3s. The Cutlass can have 4 fixed size 3s and 2 more on the Turret. The $250 Heavy Fighter should be a full class up from these other ships. The $225 Andromeda has 4 size 4s. And the $215 Corsair has a mix of size 5s and 4s. Plus 3 turrets. But I'll be happy to hear your case on why the heavy fighter should cost so much more than all of these, but only have the firepower of a medium fighter.

[@LordTiberius52]

@@SgtTeddybear66 just looked it up. The MVSA now does 183. In 3.4 it did 320. The M5A (size 3) was 318 in 3.4. And the M7A is now 963 but it used to be 2421 in 3.4 You could fire 3700 in a shot in 3.4, far more than double the 1695 you can do now.

[@SgtTeddybear66]

@@LordTiberius52 Yeah, you are probably right. I imagine CIG isn't dumb. Though if we petition for it, they might fix it. But a big point; They are releasing the RSI Mantis which is going to be a Heavy Fighter. We'll have to see how its damage stacks.

[@LordTiberius52]

@@SgtTeddybear66 yes I'm quite excited to see what the Mantis will be. I'd like to think that CIG isn't dumb. However... Let's look what they have done: in the early days size 1 guns meant something. And size 2, well those were the "big guns." Merlin, Aurora, Mustang (I think) all decked out with size 1s. Hornet and Superhornet had size 2. Cutlass has size 2 (3 on the turret, but not under pilot's control) And against those a ship with 4 size 2s and a size 4 (that can upgrade to 5) is pretty devastating. But then somebody got the bright idea of giving ships size 3 as standard, the gladius, saber Titan, 300i. Oops, too powerful, what can we do? Boost shields, nerf weapons. A few rounds of balancing later and size 1 is nothing, size 2 is weak, size 3 is average, If you have a lot of them. Size 4 is where you start to feel like you can win, if you are a better than average pilot. And it used to be that most, of not all, ships had fuel scoops. And pretty much all QT was the same speed. But not now. Suppose you and I become good friends and want to make our fortune In Cargo trade. I will fly the Freelancer Max and you will fly escort fighter. We will pool our money and split the profits. What fighter will you fly? I can go from Olisar to Hurston in 8 minutes. Most fighters take 12. If I get interdicted, you are 3 minutes behind. And so we play for a few hours, now let's log out in deep space, no problem we have beds. Except that you don't in almost any fighter. You have to go find a "hotel" Here is where the Warden shines: fast QT and beds. It can keep up with the Max. But if we are attacked by 2 arrows and a Corsair, we lose. You can't get a bead on the Arrows, they are so quick. But your guns are too feeble to take on the Corsair. 1 on 1 maybe you have a 50% chance. I'm not ready to say any of those was smart and well thought out. But, a lot can happen in the next couple of years. I'm certainly not planning to melt my Warden. (unless I just get too tempted and decide to swap my whole fleet for an 890 Jump)

[@MrEsphoenix]

love the redesign overall. I hope this gatling gun is a bit less prone to falling off lol. Not sure about the escape pod though. On the one hand I love how the pod is a mini hab. Especially as it's a ship that may have to go far out, and wait a whilst for rescue. On the other hand, it seems to defeat the object of an escape pod if the bulk of the ship, meaning it's likely to get shot up. Then it's a pretty massive target once ejected, so you're not going to be laying low in the wreckage. Only time will tell of course, but maybe they should have kept the beds as a kind of secondary escape pod that uses stasis, and is there in case the full pod is too damaged, or if you need a lower profile.

[@dandini0698]

Frankly nothing stops hostile parties from shooting the pod after taking out the VG.

[@Matt43]

I'm saving up for one of these on this anniversary sale

[@wp2746]

Any news about the BUK’s, battle upgrade kits, being available for this version later on ?

[@19TheDon85]

Love your reviews of ships, nice easy pace, just saying what's on your mind, and not any over the top voice acting.. Keep it up.

[@cptcarot]

Defiantly would like to add a Vanguard to my fleet based on the rework, I think CIG have done the owners proud.

[@paasopaaso]

I'm gonna buy this ship when it comes to sale no doubt!

[@lezking5060]

A nice ship tour. Thanks! You're such a geezer! LOL

[@Doggie_San]

Loved your walkthrough i don't suppose you could do one for the hopplite?

[@tacticaladvance]

Lots of reworks coming in 3.7 glad you like the video.

[@TheFewzz]

They kept those silly nose guns so ill now be getting rid of my one, i want a Gimbal option.

[@tacticaladvance]

3.7 you can swap them.

[@Trillineatus]

Front and sides look awesome. The back looks a bit unrealistic with the weight of those heavy wings hanging way to far over from their attach point. The inside is all you ever need in the most compact space. But why is it still not finished yet, missing the top turret and texture in landing gear.

[@andredionne8522]

does it have any cargo capacity? If we can fix items inside the ship, it would be nice if there was some cargo space to store extra components.

[@blacksheepboyz]

Thank you yet again.

[@Neoplasmer]

I bought this ship when they were giving away the "battle packs" with the Warden, where you could swap out the turret and internal bay to modify your Warden for different missions/roles. This rework makes me glad I bought it again, though I think it turns a bit like a whale currently. Still, its like they mixed an F-14 with a P-38, and its just awesome in my book. Real Bomber killer.

[@solarizer7479]

Haha the Toilet door, because everybody wants to be watched while there using the Toilet.

[@NeahSheMaeve]

can you recommend a layout for this ship? i dont know if i like it and i want to experience it at its best before i abandon it

[@jsullivan649]

I’m really excited for the Harbinger and it’s chin railgun

[@124thDragoon]

have they actually said that the center module can be jettisoned? I know they're swappable but actually using it as a massive escape pod seems dubious at best.

[@moffgideon]

How do you get your vitals on the bottom left corner like that?

[@outlawbf3]

Whats your thoughts about the harbinger?

[@bryanhancock2253]

pretty good rework. Good coverage.

[@AlekseyStrakhov]

I think it's missing some sitting workplace. and a place to eat. there is plenty of space to make a retractable table

[@flatfoot666]

I'am thinking to change my redeemer for a warden but the other side the redeemer is on rework though. Hard chose Thanks for the video, nice one.

[@shadowsa2b]

But can the quad guns in the nose be changed like a proper hardpoint now?

[@fredashay]

So it's a big pile of guns with a ship attached to them... So, no cargo SCU, but it looks like you can do box delivery missions with it.

[@Sarsour_]

awesome!!

[@SgtTeddybear66]

I'm tempted to buy a Vanguard now. I need a good fighter to fly around in and I think Heavy Fighters are my calling. Though, With the new RSI Mantis leaked, I might wait for that since it will also be a Heavy Fighter.

[@jsullivan649]

SgtTeddybear59 a heavy fighter the size of a 300 series, I’m curious to see what they’ll be doing, or if it really does end up being a heavy

[@TheLordDeliverence]

New Vanguard is indeed way better. I feel like I got a real bargain with this ship as I picked her up along with the BUK's for the other variants. What would be icing on the cake now, would be if I can store the Warden in the Idris then swap out the components to convert it to a Harbinger or Sentinel depending on what I need. I just wish they would sell the Hoplite BUK so I could have the full package.

[@OpsChief]

Nice!

[@ghostfather1390]

when will we get to see someone try and eject the escape pod from a warden? does it even work yet?

[@dandini0698]

Most changes for the ship was visual. Like how they added so much space, but instead of extra components that could help Vanguard, they added a retracting turret for some reason.(Looks cool, absolutely useless, and wastes enormous amounts of space). So aside from cloth and weapon storage we got nothing despite mid module doubling in size. Internal colors are terrible as well, although i think we can change it later. Instead what Vanguard truly needed was changing the nose guns into S4-S5 so Vanguard's loadout actually matches its mission profile. S2s have no range which Vanguard really needs. If they kept the old internals and just reworked the nose so it could internally hold 2xS5 i'd be much happier. Even the turret, i mean noone will use Vanguard as a 2 man ship if turret itself has 2xS2. Just use an AI with it as anti-missile and let your friend bring another Vanguard. Much better use of resources. Alternatively they could just change the nose guns into 2xS4 and instead upgrade the turret to 4xS3 like the hurricane. That would actually validate using a turret gunner. As a side note, escape pod on a medium ship. That was a brilliant idea. smh

[@rchaffer]

0:21 I do enjoy these shipe reviews :3

[@rchaffer]

But this one made me repeatedly scream "OPEN THE FUCKING ROLLER DOOR!"

[@erebus7205]

You gotta do this review again. Missiles have been moved to the shoulders and the turret should be retractable

[@morganb6717]

give you a Dislike? have _you_ listened to you? you're stellar. i can always count on you to provide informational and enjoyable ship reviews. even if i have no interest in a specific ship, i'll certainly afford you the time to speak about it. i do happen to have an interest in this ship and the changes thereof, so it makes for a doubly good video.

[@outlawoldgamer6499]

love it

[@thespacegopnik8912]

The Mustang Beta's lethal older brother

[@arithebard2212]

now is like a tiny house!

[@BestShifty]

Biggest Rework? Do you remembere the old Cutlass? I´m sure you do you just forgot about it.

[@wp2746]

Shifty you got some spittle on you btw.

[@engbang3517]

Can you do like a combat tour using this ship?

[@nvcn86]

no need for wings in space.. .just makes it a bigger target.

[@YiYaEmperor]

10:35 that's a bad idea - everyone will see where you are - i suspect the pod won't appear on radar

[@Daniel.Liddicoat]

I took someone for a joy ride in my Hoplite. The first thing the knob did outside the armistice zone was shoot some NPCs with the turret.

[@-NateTheGreat]

SHIPE REVIEW!

[@AndrewDavid84]

Man I hope they implement VR into this game.

[@TheDarkFable]

It'll be bad to get a heavy hit to the rear of this ship then, you won't be able to QT out in situation that calls for retreat.

[@itsvomak2938]

The vanguard is a zoom and boom ship so if you have something behind you then you are not where you are supposed to.

[@danieldeming]

It bugs me that they keep making ships that have more crew roles than beds. Like the Cutlass Black has 3 roles (pilot, co-pilot, gunner), 2 beds. The new Vanguard is the same way (pilot, gunner, engineer but 2 beds)

[@wyvern-nero]

I think that stations like cutlass co-pilot or vanguards engineer are for times where is no direct threat, so the gunner can still do something.

[@danieldeming]

​@@wyvern-nero Sure but if there is something useful that *can* be done in those stations then the optimal setup would be having all of those stations manned (at least in combat). Arguably, combat will benefit the most from multiplayer crews. For example, I would expect a 3-man crewed Cutlass to prevail in a dogfight vs a 2-man Cutlass because the fully crewed ship would either bring more firepower to bear AND (not or) manage shields/power better. Not having enough beds won't stop players from fully crewing their ships (at least some of the time) so it just results in an awkward gap in logistics. Like if you fully crew the Cutlass and then 2/3 log out in the beds. What exactly is the 3rd guy is supposed to do - fly somewhere and logout in a hotel? Basic flying from A to B is a solo task. Manned turrets have no use apart from combat and I suspect that an engineering station or co-pilot seat is not going to be particularly engaging apart from combat either. Maybe they will have some sort of minigame to save on fuel or something but having your copilot dial landing services every several minutes or so would be boring gameplay (might as well solo a separate ship). The Freelancer has a similar issue too (4 seats + a manned turret but only 4 beds) but it is more forgivable since you don't need 4 or 5 people to haul cargo either.

[@wyvern-nero]

What you said makes sense . But it might be like this so someone is on guard while the other two are sleeping.

[@julievrhackzor]

Funny thing that all ships are missing any pressure chambers

[@Cedijoe]

is it worth to melt a constellation for it? the constellation is pretty cool but you never get a full crew :D

[@comradeglory4625]

I'd say if you do, you're sacrificing a bit of versatility as the vanguard warden is like a heavily weaponised and armoured RV meaning you'll have your essentials for living (it is really cozy) whilst also a lot of firepower and good defence at the cost of cargo space, but I guess you can cram a box or two inside if you need to. Despite no real cargo space, it's quantum drive is a lot better than the Connies' so it would be nice if you like traveling a lot. Oh and in addition to all of that, the turret and the engineering console still offers a nice multicrew experience if you have a friend or two.

[@ai.117unsc4]

Mul voib olla sokkides augud on planet Earth kuid space I have what I love my ship My dear Warden

[@andrescarrasco3692]

Nice video! Any news about update date?

[@tacticaladvance]

2nd wave has gone out. Lots of bugs and we are still missing some features

[@CoreyUndertone]

I am really liking it, gonna ccu my Terrapin for it.

[@tacticaladvance]

I have the Terrapin the guns are not great. Have you tried swapping them out?

[@CoreyUndertone]

@@tacticaladvance Ya, it doesn't help much as its size locked because it's a turret. I like the Pin, it's just too focused on a role to be useful beyond currier at this stage. Vanguard I can use as a 2 person fighter, AND get boxes. Lol

[@tacticaladvance]

@@CoreyUndertone You could get a load of small boxes on board

[@VulcanXIV]

the prettiest ship in the game just got a whole lot more pretty

[@johannesfff743]

Can anyone tell me what is finished in Star Citizen after 8 years?

[@retrowrath9374]

All what you seen now was built in about 5 years actually along with the studios and employing 500+ people.

[@jimlascola]

Yesssssssssssssss

[@tacticaladvance]

Thanks for you support Jim.

[@khryd]

The only escape pods that could be useful and interesting to have would be the cockpit itself not another room you have to run into when your ship is burning or already in pieces. + it's another "underwinged" ships, how does this thing is supposed to lift in the air ? Year 3000 magic ? Ships and vehicules design looks better but have less and less logical choices.

[@MrEsphoenix]

V-thrust assistance

[@christianmolick8647]

turret had other priorities

[@garethhahahah2037]

Do you want a Hoplite to look at

[@tacticaladvance]

I will do that next it does look like we have the option to use them in the ptu 3.6. Thanks for the offer

[@Anvarynn]

Thems definitely motion sensors

[@fastandnightfurious4279]

Harbinger? Sentinel? Mantis?

[@suckmysilencer747]

Redeemer.

[@wither5673]

honestly i find it weird to have ships smaller then this in combat, they fall apart instantly........

[@Avean]

I dont understand how this ship is valued almost 100$ more than my Constellation Andromeda when i try to upgrade. Its just a 2 seater. My Andromeda have tons of room and i also have a fighter jet i can just undock.

[@Taladays37]

Probably due to the weapons and its intented role. A size 4 gatling and its a heavy fighter, its designed to destroy bigger ships like the connie. But generally RSI like to make ships that fall under a certain niche or role more expensive then "standard" ships. Up until this was released, the game was mostly plagued with light/medium fighers, so having a beefier fighter (in both durability and weapon capability) that can be two manned is like a wet dream for some. RSI use that wet dream to make money.

[@wing0291]

Boss we miss your stream are you doing any stream this weekend

[@tacticaladvance]

Internet is back online it was fixed on Monday

[@evobsm2328]

If i play sc i will get 3 ships... a gladius, a vanguard and a carrack

[@no2475]

I still don't like the nose of the ship and wish they had given it the one form the concept. Everything else is definitely an improvement though. It's even getting the retractable turret back in a future patch. Perhaps 3.7.

[@skorgevondoom___9571]

Dude can i hire you to Do the narration for my audio book legit i want to pay you to do so...name your price

[@Kgermie]

I'm starting to see a pattern. They rework your ship, so you are happy, but as more ships get reworked, yours get outdated again, and you are not as happy. Although some of the more recent reworks will probably be final, like this one.

[@tacticaladvance]

On the bases of 90% of the ships do not have the final huds and modules doors most will be refreshed at some point.

[@68Lima]

I love the Vanguard looks but that's where it ends. For Comparison: Vanguard can really only run fixed loud-outs effectively. Cutlass can run either fixed or gimbaled. ATM gimbals are very strong. Vanguard can't match Cutlass dps with fixed loadouts this includes a turret gunner. Vanguard and Cutlass both handle about the same and are both supposed to be longer range ships. Vanguard can't carry any SCU or vehicles, Cutlass 46 SCU and fits smaller vehicles. Vanguard warden has stupid CIG fighter tax, about $260 last time it was sold! WTF?? Cutlass Black, always available and $115. I really want to buy a Vanguard but just can't. The price and features are just so bad.

[@MrEsphoenix]

Keep in mind the vanguard should be a lot better at taking a hit, and may have other advantages not yet modeled. They will obviously balance things as the game progresses. As for price, all ships are over priced. As has bn stated countless times, don't buy ships as a shortcut. Put in the money you're willing to give for development. Earn ships in game if you want your money's worth.

[@ai.117unsc4]

7:24 kuidas sa nii loll oled camera on selle parast kui sa Ara karvad siis mustas boxist naeme mida vittu sa seal soid et Ara karvasid . Mission lopetamata

[@noahsmith7732]

all the missiles in game are tiny, even short range missiles in RL are 9ft long, and medium-long range are even bigger. if this think got hit by any missile or hit by guns the escape pod would be punctured or destroyed in the first hits, leaving the crew without any way of getting out, bad tatical design.

[@Charok1]

It is luxury compared to the bed coffin of a Constellation or any other escape pod large ship. Maybe cameras let you see hostile borders from the cockpit and you can eject the escape room with the boarders in it. No cargo means this ship is not meant to go far and collect things in space. I want the Redeemer rework, not this.

[@Dem1g0ds]

I don't understand why every ship has struts and crap in front of the pilots view. Horrible

[@MrImmortal709]

with that giant nosegun still useless, way too easy to destroy it.

[@billred6442]

Why add fokin tracks to landing gear? Its gross

[@kgino1045]

^this... make landing gear as cosmetic so we can change what we want.

[@dontwobble]

its a dumb idea, tracks on a space ship wouldn't serve any purpose.

[@124thDragoon]

@@dontwobble I think the idea was that the ship in-lore would be primarily used in a naval fleet setting, with carrier support. Civilian ships generally take off and land from the same spot, whereas carrier-based ships have to taxi forward in between launches.

[@nailedt0thecr0ss]

TA is crazy

[@spacefx1340]

4 fixed nose guns = melt, sad....

[@tacticaladvance]

guns will be changeable in 3.7

[@emossg]

@@tacticaladvance Hopefully there will be option for repeaters. Cannons are so 3.4.

[@dontwobble]

no ones gonna address the landing gear? the tracks are a dumb idea. its a space ship, not a bulldozer.

[@suckmysilencer747]

It still sucks.