Star Trek Generations - Atop the Fourth Wall

Welcome to Atop the Fourth Wall, where bad comics burn. In this episode, Linkara looks at the comic adaptation of Star Trek: Generations!
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Originally uploaded February 24th, 2014.
ORIGINAL INFO: There’s a sweet Star Trek movie comic! …Unfortunately, it won’t arrive until Tuesday.
RUMINATIONS: This episode was a case where somehow I forgot to turn on the microphone, resulting in the audio coming out at a much lower quality. Ah, the fun times one can have with equipment.
Generations I think is maligned unfairly despite having some good ideas. Not every movie needs to have the most massive amount of stakes, make THAT much sense, or be the largest epic ever. I can tell you that, as a child, while I also thought of the “why doesn’t he beam out in a space suit?” plot hole, I was frankly MORE bothered at the time by the constant switching of uniforms for seemingly no reason, hence it’s inclusion in the episode. In retrospect, a lot of the movie is bad… but only in terms of stuff like Kirk’s unworthy death or the destruction of the Enterprise-D. Still, I loved some scenes, especially the ending where Picard points out that what we leave behind is not as important as how we’ve lived. Also, despite the thematic issue of “one Captain is such an utter failure he needs a great legend to fix his mistakes,” Kirk and Picard talking on horseback is really damn good.

[@deborahingle2301]

Tiny trivia point: although Leonard Nimoy did decline to appear in "Generations" because he thought the script sucked, DeForest Kelley declined because his health was failing. RIP Spock and Bones :'(

[@pizza4589]

why wasn't it shatner instead?

[@Thoran666]

Because only the best die young. Or something like that.

[@dreamlandnightmare]

Nimoy refused this movie because he thought the script was bad, but he said okay to Star Trek V? (Yeah, I know it was written/directed by Shatner, but still...)

[@florenceb1031]

@@dreamlandnightmare He might have been forced to do Star Trek V by his contract because it was a TOS movie, while Generations is a TNG movie.

[@jbwarner8626]

I also love how painfully obvious it is that the opening scenes were rewritten to accommodate Nimoy and Kelley's absence. Chekov's line about exactly how imprecise Kirk's landing was is obviously meant for Spock, and then later Chekov starts directing medical personnel like McCoy was clearly meant to. It's like "Eh, just give all the good lines to Chekov, he never really had much personality anyway."

[@Mobysimo]

I've heard that Data's cat actually ate Livingston (Picard's Fish) while the crew was scouring through the wreckage. So that Fish was tough enough to survive a damn starship crash, but he got eaten twenty minutes later.

[@pokemaster123ism]

No way. Livingston was a lionfish, and would pretty much kill spot as soon as she ate one spine

[@azurebeast]

Woah woah woah. The only star closer to Earth than Proxima Centauri is the Sun. Which means that's the only star that could be obscuring his view of Proxima Centauri. So Linksano's plan, is to destroy the Sun.

[@crimsk9857]

are you really suprised?

[@boobah5643]

You have to admit, though, that even when Sol isn't directly in the way it puts out a lot of light pollution. Who needs to deal with that?

[@jakebryant3445]

7:20 "hahaha oh Mr Scott, my son is dead" XD

[@danieldb631]

From the very beginning of the movie, I would have to call BS on Kirk retiring at all. This was a man who, when he turned 50, yearned to be back in the Captain's chair of the Enterprise. Even at the end of the previous movie (The Undiscovered Country), he was unwilling to give up the old girl. Even so, that's where Kirk should have appeared within the Nexus, if the writers of the movie were paying any attention to his character at all. This Kirk is like...the Anti-Kirk, with the thrill-seeking being an exception. Kirk vowing to never set foot on the deck of a starship just seems so antithetical. As was observed, "If I may be so bold, it was a mistake for you to accept promotion. Commanding a starship is your best destiny. Anything else would be a waste of material." and "Jim, I'm your doctor and I'm your friend. Get back your command. Get it back before you turn into part of this collection...before you really do grow old." That's just one thing they should have changed. Then again, THAT detail alone might have required a page one rewrite.

[@andreworders7305]

not being tempted is probably the reason he didn't want to step foot back on a starship in the first place

[@PokemonHaloFan]

This movie always pissed me off. The Enterprise D after surviving numerous run in's with the Borg, the Romulans, and Q. Get's destroyed by an outdated Bird of Prey. It just feels so disrespectful.

[@404TVfr]

Actually it kinda destroyed itself if you wanna get technical.

[@Jokie155]

I can't believe that people criticize Beyond for that depiction of the Enterprise going down in this gut-wrenching display of being systematically crippled and everyone losing hope to Giacchino's amazing score, while also TRYING to defend this destruction of the Enterprise that is summed up by "Ooooh shit!" This movie would be a big insult to Trek, except Insurrection and Nemesis exist too.

[@L1z43vr]

So you're immediately forgetting that said BoP knew their shield modulation, matched their disruptors to said modulation which allowed them to penetrate said shields

[@romdan7136]

@@L1z43vr Exactly. And even then, you can't say the Enterprise was invincible in TNG, it still got fucked up.

[@ultra6671]

With the original Enterprise's destruction in Star Trek III, it made sense in-universe, not only because it was over twenty years old and lacked a full crew, but also because activating the self-destruct sequence was an absolute last resort. Kirk's crew was outmanned and this was pretty much the only way to take out almost all of the Klingons. With the Enterprise-D, it wasn't even ten years old, basically had a full crew with the exception of Picard, yet they somehow sustained serious damage from a fight they had already won. Not only was the Enterprise-D critically damaged by a stray photon torpedo that only started to critically damage the ship once the Bird of Prey was destroyed, the Enterprise-D somehow destroyed itself thanks to the engine section blowing up and sending the saucer section plummeting to the nearest planet.

[@Werrf1]

The special effects for the opening action scene weren't being installed until Tuesday.

[@VaderTheWhite]

Linkara is correct in his statement of who is better, Kirk or Picard.

[@sanityisrelative]

+Vader the White It is the only correct response to that question.

[@michaelrodriguez1676]

I would've like a scene where Data is finally able to properly grieve for Tasha and his family.

[@TheMadMaple]

A while back, I had an idea for a novel featuring Captain Harriman. I had him spiraling into a deep depression after Kirk's death, and Guinan helping him work through it, just in time to solve the crisis of the week, which would have lead directly to Starfleet's policy of posting councilors on starships. But before I could put pen to paper, Paramount rescinded their open-submission policy for Star Trek material, so I dropped the idea.

[@kingofthegundam7974]

I'd like to see that written.

[@Wright805]

You could still write it as a fanfiction. Okay it wouldn't be "official canon" but the story would still exist in a fashion and people would get to read it. It would be nice for Harriman to get some redemption and a chance to prove his worth.

[@langleymneely]

There was a series of books subtitled The Lost Years which detailed the era and the various Enterprises between Kirks A and Picards D. The book about the Enterprise B does a better job of explaining Harrimans psyche at the time, but I like this idea. Have you watched Star Trek Continues? The 10 ep story actually results in a similar fashion culminating in the implementation of ships counselors in Starfleet.

[@FeedEgg]

Back when i was a little kid I remember watching this in a movie theater with my dad when it first came out, the scene where the enterprise has already crashed onto the planet and gets obliterated by the exploding star made me burst into tears

[@aztn19]

Kirk vs. Picard.... Answer: SISKO!!!

[@planescaped]

Sisko's a good answer. I'd personally go Sheridan... >__>

[@firefly4f4]

Damn straight!

[@Bussani]

The implosion expelling outwards part actually might make sense given their explanation of the trilithium weapon. When a large enough star uses up its material for fusion, its core implodes under its own weight, which in turn triggers a type II supernova. I guess stars don't like to settle for simply imploding or exploding--they'd rather do both! I think Star Trek Generations is an okay film. Not great, but kind of okay for a first TNG film. The biggest criticism I've encountered is that it doesn't treat Kirk with respect and that he didn't die heroically enough, but think about it: he seemingly died saving everyone on the Enterprise B, which was already heroic, THEN comes back to help save an entire star system of people, including the entire crew of the Enterprise D as well! Maybe it could have been framed better, but if saving that amount of lives isn't enough to be heroic, I don't know what is!

[@tedgruver7618]

19:42 There’s also one thing you forget to mention Linkara, in the movie, Riker and Worf also reveal that Trilithium is a nuclear inhibitor, meaning that it can break down all nuclear fusion in a star as we see twice in the film. 23:30 So that would explain why she knew that the Enterprise C was supposed to be destroyed defending the Klingons on Narendra 3 from the Romulans, and not travel 22 years into the future mid-battle, putting the Federation in a losing war with the Klingon Empire.

[@gabrielmenchaca1715]

You know, in Star Trek: Generations there were plans to have the next generation crew wear new uniforms but instead the movie just borrowed the uniforms from Deep Space 9 and Voyager

[@tedgruver7618]

This was due to budget issues.

[@romdan7136]

@@tedgruver7618 I straight up thought it was for the reason Linkara gave, that they didn't know which one to actually USE.

[@KubatheChangeling]

Okay, the line from Picard, "Don't count your captains before they hatched, Soran." is actually perhaps, the stupidest line that I've ever heard in my life, that would cause me to laugh my ass off. XD

[@AmaranthOriginal]

Honestly, I think I hate the wasted potential of this movie more than the ones that are just outright bad. This could have been Wrath of Khan good, and it involved a team-up the likes of which you rarely see in sci-fi. Aaaand...yeah Though if they had managed to call in some Megazords to take on Sorrin, that would have been cool, too.

[@alyssinwilliams4570]

The photo album scene always leaves me in tears :'(

[@cliffordshafran9250]

Nice going, Starfleet! Why didn't they select Captain Bueller, instead of Captain Cameron?

[@thepoetoffall7820]

Eh, he took the day off...

[@lordofuzkulak8308]

32:50 - given McCoy was still alive at the start of TNG, and Spock in the middle, it does make you wonder why the scriptwriter didn’t have them take part in the TNG era portion of the film rather than only trying to give them a cameo in the TOS era part. Maybe it was a paycheque thing, but I can’t imagine it’d be too difficult to contrive a reason for them to be aboard the Enterprise-D for the events of the film and then having them help Picard convince Kirk to come back for one last hurrah.

[@MBRSims]

I like Star Trek: Generations. In fact, I might consider it my favourite TNG film. Does it have problems? Oh sure. Kirk's death is very anticlimactic for such a famous character. But I feel like fans let that colour their perception of the whole film, which has a lot to like. The emotional development for Picard and Data was really good. No-one ever talks about the music which really was excellent. The themes of accepting tragedy vs running away from it, coming to terms with the effects of time, etc were well thought out and very poignant. Malcolm MacDowell was a great villain too.

[@JeffreyPiatt]

+Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall there is an story behind the uniforms in this film there was an plan to design new uniforms for this film and the Action figure line used the new look. The production staff abandoned the concept and opted to use the existing ds9 uniforms raiding the staff closet

[@dukespubber741]

I tried to get some skydiving in, but I couldn't because my son is dead. Thanks for bringing it up.

[@fredrikcarlstedt393]

PICARD : Time for some Intergalactic Ultraviolence, my Federation droogies !

[@jessaminehaak8253]

I'll say this for the comic adaptation, it certainly does a better job of hiding how much the guy playing Scotty was 8000% fed up with Shatner than the movie.

[@ultra6671]

So was Wimpy in charge of supplies for the Enterprise-B? "I'd gladly install a tractor beam on Tuesday for a hamburger today."

[@leadingblind1629]

Hi. Just more or less discovered you. Not a comic book fan. But I am explicitly a NG fan. This movie introduced me to Malcolm McDowell. Love it.

[@isenokami7810]

"If it feels like I'm rushing through this here..." I feel like you say that for every Star Trek comic.

[@kylecampbell565]

31:00 the original plan WAS Carol but the producers were uncomfertable bringing her in as naturally David should be with her but David's actor died 4 years prior to Generations. Personally I would've done Edith Keller

[@c.w.simpsonproductions1230]

Personally, I consider these movie reviews as much as they are comic reviews.

[@JaredsGaming]

RIP Livingston. #RememberVeridianIII

[@lorddrayvon1426]

To be fair, if the ribbon is destroying ships, it would be a bad idea to face it with just a spacesuit.

[@SpeedyEric1]

Star Trek Generations was the very first Star Trek movie I grew up seeing, and I saw it when it was in theaters. It's also where I was introduced to Capt. Kirk, Scotty, and Checov, because I've only watched The Next Generation at the time, and not yet The Original Series or the first 6 movies.

[@Wongwrangler64]

Sisko is the best captain and I realy like the defiant a much more sensible ship than most in the series.

[@gabrielmenchaca1715]

James Hunter yeah the defiant is cool it's a tough little ship

[@gabrielmenchaca1715]

Little

[@kingofthegundam7974]

Huh, none of the comments ever mention Boring Lady's name. And good thing too, I don't care for her name either.

[@zacharyjochumsen9677]

Star trek genrtions was my first star trek experience as a child I was 2 yers old when I saw it on vhs

[@Merit2397]

I honestly believe that the reason William Shatner wanted that opening scene of him skydiving cut was because he acknowledged that everyone complained about how ridiculous it was to see a fifty some odd year-old man doing some dangerous stunt like trying to climb a mountain in Star Trek V. Although UNLIKE Generations, I can find some so bad it's good fun in that movie!!!!!

[@DOWSOE]

yes I agree..........go Sisko !!!

[@DetectiveKemper]

Thank you! That whole launching a middle at the sun thing looked so silly that the rocket might as well have had ACME written on it. In reality, that rocket would have taken MONTHS to reach its target.

[@kadindarklord]

TBF, they do treat it as a publicity stunt gone wrong. There's all those reporters. This was obviously meant to be a simple flight that devolved into an emergency.

[@robertwilson2516]

Well, Jean Luke doesn't have to think of himself as alone as he used to.

[@BLasherman]

"First Star Trek I saw in Theaters......" Jesus I'm old I remember Star Trek 4 very clearly, and well pretty sure I saw Wrath of Khan too (I would have been six but only remember E.T. as my first movie.)

[@MicrowavedAlastair5390]

To be fair, there are people who have been on active lava flows. A volcanologist sat down to have lunch, and in the middle of it, noticed that the scenery was slowly moving. Volcanologists are a weird lot. Of course, it's not like it was a liquid river of fire. Flows can remain active for quite a long time despite not looking like it on the surface.

[@quantamdefender]

I had this thought while last watching the all-in-one but I think it's more appropriate for this video (old as it is). I feel the need to defend Captain Harriman a bit. He's obviously far from Starfleet's best and brightest but it's not his fault his ship was launched before being properly equipped and had to handle an emergency situation due to the 'only ship in range' cliche. He's also smart and humble enough to recognise when he's out of his depth and ask Kirk for help and while Kirk was right in telling him that his place was on the bridge when he wants to go down to the deflector room himself, in Star Trek captains and other senior officers getting their hands dirty and putting themselves in dangerous situations is seen as a more positive quality than in real life militaries.

[@Johnsilver3000]

I know this is a bit late, but I think Picard's hand was initially holding a phaser that for some reason was changed after the illustration for some reason. His fingers are in the right position for it.

[@Girintina]

As someone who just got into Star Trek. I gotta say Sisko is probably my fav captain so far.

[@jackrose4130]

Hey Linkara, have you ever thought about reviewing a Twilight comic?

[@Cybermat47]

THERE ARE TWILIGHT COMICS?!

[@jackrose4130]

+Cybermat47 Technically its a graphic novel adaptation of the book. But same difference

[@amberbarbera2001]

YES, PLEASE!

[@gabrielmenchaca1715]

Jack Rose is their really a twilight comic

[@jacobkleinsasser5658]

THose are a thing? Please kill me!

[@Antonicane]

3:35 Riker's got some serious wall-eye going on.

[@gabrielmenchaca1715]

That seventh doctor umbrella you have is a little different from mine

[@codenate02]

25:10 The 10th Doctor did it to have a Skype call to another universe, how bad can it be?

[@andreworders7305]

25:51 actually, those don't arrive until Tuesday

[@pinoypizza]

Generations is probably my guilty pleasure Trek movie, because there's stuff I still like about it and don't think it's that bad. Sure, Kirk's death is lame, and the E-D really should've gone better, but other stuff I didn't mind. I eagerly await your upcoming review of the Flesh and Stone comic. For those who don't know, it's the comic where Crusher, Pulaski, Bashir, and the E-E EMH team up to solve a Dominion-afflicted disease on Deep Space 9, and they must also use the knowledge and medical reports of McCoy and Phlox to save the day. The Trek crossover with the Legion of Superheroes is also one I hope to see you tackle some day.

[@kennethcrist443]

One thing that always puzzled me. Where is the original Picard that was on Veridian III interacting with Soren? They could have used his actions as a distraction to destroy the device of something.

[@Failtuna]

It did always bother me that Starfleet only ever seems to have two ships around in the series, that's why DS9 made sense though, they were far from the Federation so it would take days to get there. Which makes it stupid in First Contact that The Defiant can get there as quick as it did.

[@WinterSteele]

How did I miss this episode?

[@shadowlinkbds]

In your opinion Linkara, what is the order of the star trek movies from your most favorite to least favorite? Although, I probably have a feeling what is your favorite is Wrath of Khan and least favorite (Insurrection).

[@SBaby]

27:03 - How do they make log entries ANY time they're stuck on a planet and still have them in the present-tense?

[@Agamemnon2]

Since you mentioned that Spock and McCoy were originally going to be there instead of Chekhov and Scotty, it seems really clear to me that the writers just reused the lines meant for the former as-is. Which is why Chekhov delivers the Spock-like pedantic bit about Kirk landing 35 meters off target, and Scotty dispenses psychological insight about Kirk's loneliness. They just didn't give a damn.

[@indianastones6032]

How do ya explain all the ships we see at the battles sector 01 and wolf359?? Or the battle to retake ds9 and also cardasdia and chitaka invasdions?

[@padraigbutler]

25:15 little foam lizard? I understand blowing up our sun (due to the location of Proxima Centauri, it can only be our sun) but forgetting Eliza’s name, that’s just wrong.

[@Canadamus_Prime]

Where did you get a 7th Doctor outfit? When I look for Doctor Who costumes all I can ever find are ones from Eccleston onward. And incidentally I liked the novels Shatner wrote. ...although I haven't read them in ages. I do think it's weird that they didn't just go with all DS9 uniforms or all NextGen uniforms instead of randomly switching back and forth. Another thought is how quickly did they get to the observatory? because in both the movie and the comic they receive the distress call while they're on the holodeck and then it cuts to them arriving and they're sill in the period uniforms they were wearing on the holodeck.

[@Obiwan1994Kenobi-iv4jf]

One thing I always wonder: seeing as Picard was still in the nexus when facing Soran the second time, wouldn't that mean Picard has been in the Nexus the whole time afterwards? How do you leave the Nexus anyway?

[@EnhanceRaptor]

Sisko /is/ the best Captain. I'm giving a thumbs up for that alone. The one thing I did really like about Generations was the contrasting uniforms. Just visually, I find it interesting to look at. I also liked the Star Trek: Generations PC game. Picard intentionally sacrificing his own ship (and saving Spot as a plot point) was far more epic than what we got in the actual movie.

[@Gojiragon]

Question (for any current year people still in the comments) I heard that in non-canon books, upon return, the captain was immediately demoted and replaced. Is this true?

[@jamesatkinsonja]

I personally thought they should have made 'The return' as the follow up for this movie before first contact.It has the original series trio [kirk-spock-bones] teaming up with the TNG crew, kirk interacting with the entire team-not just picard, sees original series people vs the borg, a better end for kirk and sets things up nicely for first contact.

[@Thoran666]

Umm Linkara you might have forgotten this but Kirk didn't do a lot of sitting in the captains chair. He ventured onto planet surfaces, met aliens and then either fucked them up or literally fucked them.

[@BrianS1981]

Archer was the other candidate for captaincy.

[@ColeVecsion]

I assume Shatner asked the studio to drop the intro cause why the fuck would kirk be hanging out with chekov and scoty on his free time?

[@firefly4f4]

Here's a question I've had WRT Trek shields. For all the times they've found that rotating frequencies is beneficial, or situations like this where having a single frequency allows the shields to be compromised, why isn't frequency rotation the default for shields? That detail must be hidden somewhere in a technical manual.

[@boobah5643]

If it's mentioned, it isn't in the show (Or at least not TOS or TNG). My assumption is either constantly changing the frequencies degrades the shield for 'normal' purposes/makes them less efficient, and/or it stresses the components, reducing the reliability of the shield generators. And given how often 'failsafes' and 'safety devices' fail in Star Trek, reducing the lifetime of a shield generator means it'll be even more likely to blow out at a dramatically appropriate moment.

[@L1z43vr]

Now Data is Spock

[@lorddrayvon1426]

I expect that Shatner asked them to cut the opening scene because it makes him seem like less competent. I'd say this was unlikely but Star Trek V was going to have Kirk be the absolute pinnacle of rightiousness.

[@nathanthompson4613]

So, how much say did Shatner have in the development of the canon?

[@Azazreal]

Boring lady is actually called THE Boring Lady.

[@MeganKoumori]

So the Nexus sends you to your perfect world where you have everything you desire? And Kirk's perfect world is eating eggs with some random broad, instead of a world where his kid wasn't stabbed by a Klingon. Seriously Movie, why didn't you bring David back? Have Kirk and Picard commeriserate over the tragic deaths of their families?

[@threturnofstonewalljackson9481]

why did they change uniforms between generations and first contact they changed them again in generations

[@SpedeVesku]

I more or less share your opinion in regards to Generations. It has too many plot holes to count and some really annoying elements, but the good parts and the novelty of seeing Kirk and Picard meeting make it overall passable watch. From all the Trek movies that are universally seen as bad movies, it is definitely the least bad of the bunch.

[@alyssinwilliams4570]

I'll be forthright: In the film version of this, I thought Data's suddenly shoving Dr Crusher into the water was *HILARIOUS*, and I dont understand why people dont think so. Am I a jerk? :\

[@AT4W]

Not at all. It IS frickin' hilarious.

[@alyssinwilliams4570]

@@AT4W THANK YOU! Until I watched this video I was thinking I was the only one :o

[@cassiedevereaux-smith3890]

It is now 2024, and the correct answer to best captain is "Pike".

[@cooperross9495]

34:58 Wait a minute...A character...played by Jonathan Frakes...wants to live forever. ...Did this movie just make a Gargoyles reference?

[@jfdrac]

OF COURSE ....dont you know anything about Scottish Mythology ?

[@britishnerd3919]

Personally in the kirk v Picard argument I say archer. I'm very fond of him

[@jbwarner8626]

So here's my nitpick about the whole "ships can't pass through the Nexus" thing - people clearly can, even if the inorganic matter around them gets destroyed. So why not just swipe a shuttlecraft or something and fly it in? Sure, it'll get destroyed, but you won't - it took out a chunk of the Enterprise-B but Kirk survived just fine. Going through the process of blowing up a sun to divert its path towards a planet seems needlessly insane.

[@kirabrylow4834]

GO SISCO and DS9! Best Star Trek series out there!

[@93MANIAC]

Never forget 34:26

[@TheSefirosu200x]

Considering how matter/antimatter annihilation converts 100% of the mass of both the matter and antimatter into pure energy, how can Trilithium be more powerful than that? Like, in order to produce an explosion 1000 times stronger than half a gram of matter plus half a gram of antimatter with only one gram of Trilithium, it would have to be somehow converting 100,000% of that gram of Trilithium into energy. That makes no sense!

[@dinodude722]

Hey linkara, Fairly random question but have you always worn the same hat? Curiosity spiked as I was marathoning random episodes.

[@andrewmihovich4252]

H'okay. In order! Cue the Bangles! "Time, time, time / See what's become of me / As I looked around for my possibilities..." Don't you think Alan Ruck would have made a good Joker? His head is... Joker-shaped, and he's got a history in comedy. The scene that Geordi insists isn't funny is funny either way. Hmm... bodies of researchers slumped on the floor... but the Metroid, which *should* be the most dangerous thing on the station, is just sitting there in its little observation tube. What *happened* here? © 1994 Nintendo I don't remember if this is addressed at all in the movie, or if it's just another thing that kind of happens, "because": Is investigating a still-mysterious attack on a research station with dead bodies everywhere *really* the best time to experiment with giving yourself emotions for the first time, Commander Data? One thing I'll give this movie: The "leather jacket" arch-villain. Dr. Soran's stylin' like Telly Savalas in here. ...and there we go. A movie early, here: *That* is an "unstable element" in a delicate situation that doesn't really help anything and might make it worse. I've always thought it would be interesting to see Whoopi Goldberg play the heavy, one way or the other, particularly with her able to bring out that smile at any time... aaand this comic gets it across at the wrong moment. (Terezi "gallowsCalibrator" Pyrope's got nothing on you, Whoopi. Relevant: "Picard figures it out". "...or 'Star Trek: Insurrection' was about wasting our time and brain cells..." I see what you did there.

[@jordanreed3675]

Harriman’s dad was the head of Starfleet

[@alicedarhk9790]

Barry Allen vs. Sebastian Smythe Answer: Cisco

[@Disconnectmyself]

Can someone explain to me how is Soran still even alive? It passed almost 80 years between the event that led to Kirk´s disappearance and him meeting Picard. Ok, Kirk was inside the Nexus, whatever it is, so he didnt aged, but Soran? He must be over 100 years old.

[@Disconnectmyself]

Oh I see, I thought Soran was a human.

[@IamConnorMacLeod]

Seriously, there is a comic adaptation of Ashes of Eden, and its actually pretty good. Please do it? Pretty please?!

[@clearspira]

I still find it weird that someone made a comic book out of this.

[@trans8010]

comic book adaptations were uber cool in the 1990's. There were adaptations for Jason Goes to Hell, Street Fighter, Jurassic Park, Rocketeer, Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, the TMNT films, Steel, Hook, Mission Impossible, Demolition Man. Comic publishers were all about releasing adaptations of popular or hyped film franchises to lure non readers into the shops.

[@jfdrac]

@@trans8010 Heck Marvel movies still get them (I think DC gave up)

[@trans8010]

@@jfdrac IDW released a cool Bumblebee movie tie-in. DC gave up because after Batman Begins and Superman Returns failed to move copies, then they stopped their prequel comics after Green Lantern. I have no idea why Marvel continues to do theirs.

[@jfdrac]

@@trans8010 My guess it has to do with Disney and corporate reach

[@trans8010]

@@jfdrac Maybe.

[@Merit2397]

(Sigh)...Out of all the Star Trek movies, THIS is the one that I've had the most diminishing returns from. I enjoyed it when I first saw it, however every time I rewatch it I start to notice several problems and bad writing decisions that bother me more and more. It's probably not helped by the fact that I tend to like TOS and DS9 more than TNG and aside from Frist Contact, (which I also have some problems with) I tend to not have as good a time with the Next Generation films as I do Star Trek's II through VI.

[@kalebsantos72]

4:15 um that sounds amazing

[@limonsoda]

So i gather the thematic center of the movie/comic is "accepting change" overall? The villain is literally a ages old dude that can't accept change and is willing to blow up planets to go to the one place in the universe where nothing ever changes....and etc etc (And yeah...Kirk accepting others commanding the enterprise is as much an acceptance of change as it was to realice old age doesn't mean nothing matters anymore, as presented waaay better in Star Trek II)....interesting. A little more time in the scripting room and this movie would actually be great (i still love it though...but that's because i'm crazy and shit).

[@JaidenSX]

When does the movie take place in the show?

[@AT4W]

Shortly after the seventh season.

[@matthancox7608]

Kirk vs Picard TGWTG - “Jenway”

[@LaurianeG.]

Do not laugh at me, but I thism film is amongst my favourites of the franchise and I am even willing to defend it as being really good ^^"

[@andreworders7305]

Nice Kirk shirt

[@davincent98]

I cannot WAIT for EWW Star Trek Generations.

[@aarod5849]

So are you cool with Spooney now?