Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan #1 - Atop the Fourth Wall

Welcome to Atop the Fourth Wall, where bad comics burn. In this episode, Linkara looks at the first issue of an adaptation of a great film!
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Originally uploaded December 5th, 2011.
ORIGINAL INFO: Beyond the darkness, beyond the human evolution… is Khan. And a pointless adaptation of a great movie.
RUMINATIONS: And so we get to the first proper story stuff post-Entity arc. The thing I realized at the end of that arc was that, simply put, there was no way to escalate the threat. Once you get to “hero defeats Lovecraftian God,” there really is no way to make the next thing scarier. While I understand the position, I’ve always been disappointed by the attitude of many writers in TV or the like who have said, “we decided to end it here because there was no way to top ourselves.” To me, it shouldn’t be about trying to top yourself, just trying to continue to produce good material and people will flock to the quality. Thus if I can’t escalate the SCALE of the threat, the next goal should be to turn things inwards - develop the characters, create real conflict and tragedy and heartache - thus this three-parter.
I like the idea that Linkara is AWARE that he’s part of a storyline, but that even he is restricted by the rules of the setting to where he wants to keep the storyline stuff limited to after the review whenever possible.

[@thehoodedteddy1335]

To be fair, the santa hat goes well with that Star Fleet uniform.

[@romdan7136]

That moment when you remember Santa Klaus exists in Star Trek comics XD

[@gratuitouslurking8610]

> Long commentary about the brilliance of Star Trek II > Immediately followed by THE MEEEMES God I love this show. It can sweep between praise and snark at the drop of a purdy hat.

[@ilopominecrafter]

Darth_ Madara star wars empire strikes back vs stark trek II.... someone want to do that?

[@keelanbarron928]

@@ilopominecrafter empire strikes back is better then star trek II. (But that's because to me, i don't really care about star trek.)

[@UltraIsa297]

My favorite kobiashimaru scenario is Nog’s where he bartered with them until the simulation broke

[@100dampf]

It said that Chekov blocked the toilets in Space Seed and made Kahn angry

[@JoeRepp]

"Just because I dont like my superheroes killing doesn't mean I dont like my badass starship captains killing!" YOU ARE A STARSHIP CAPTAIN THIS IS NOT A COMFORTING STATEMENT

[@black97_0]

Comforting statement or not, it's a fact Super heroes are suppose to be above killing. The captain of the ship, on the other hand, is not above such tactics

[@kaicreech7336]

There was a whole storyline about that.

[@thehoodedteddy1335]

Hehe, i just love that shot of Pollo holding the camera. Something about it just makes me giggle

[@zaccarpenter621]

how is he holding the camera if he has no working arms

[@black97_0]

@@zaccarpenter621 sssh. Don't question it

[@VaderTheWhite]

Nitpick on the nitpick: Those weren't D7s in the Kobayashi Maru simulation. Those were K't'inga-class starships, a similarly designed replacement class seen in TMP onwards. Also, thank you for mentioning Mackenzie Calhoun. He's my favorite Star Trek captain. And that's a particularly good book and I love his solution to the no win scenario.

[@aztn19]

Vader the White Mackenzie's approach was extra awesome especially when you consider the novel Star Trek Enterprise: Kobayashi Maru has the scenario as the catalyst to the Earth/Romulan War where the Maru WAS a part of a Romulan trap to capture Enterprise. Captain Mackenzie had been right in that regard of it being a shady trick

[@et3inuyasha]

6:53 "I know it's a bit nitpicky..." You think THAT'S nitpicky? The ships portrayed in the movie are K'tinga-class battlecruisers, not D-7s. Oh, yes. I am throwing down the Nerd Gauntlet with Linkara over Star Trek. I am clearly out of my mind.

[@black97_0]

Administration of a problem is a first step to solution

[@jackofalltrades6129]

I never saw Wrath of Khan, but I do love Ricardo Montalbán. He was one of the best Mexican actors, and is inspiring. Qué en paz Descanse, Sr. Montalbán.

[@aarengabriel8106]

Now that I know your favorite movie is Camelot, naming your AI Nimue makes a lot more sense.

[@terminator324343]

Then, technically, Mechakara should've been Mordred. After all, both are related to the protagonists. And while on the subject of Camelot, makes me wonder whether Linkara has read "The Once and Future King."

[@jmiles86]

12:02 I LOVE THIS SONG! (leaves to listen to Genesis then comes back) Ok, proceed.

[@boobah5643]

Kobyashi Maru: Scotty didn't science up a way to destroy the Klingon ships; he exploited a flaw in the simulation. The method he used was known to not work IRL. Telescopes: Kahn has a spaceship that could function without constant support from ground control. He has a telescope.

[@reidmason2551]

What's really sad about this adaptation was that its writer, Andy Schmidt, was the head of IDW at the time. He took on this assignment himself because he felt it was too plum a gig to give to anyone else. This was purely a vanity gig for him...and he wasted no time proving he was the wrong man to adapt this to comic book form. Setting that aside, the art in this adaptation is just wretched. Aside from the absolutely terrible anatomy and bad likenesses, the Enterprise is really off-model a lot of the time and there's a ton of really stupid changes made (why is there a guy with runway wands in spacedock?). It's almost like the artist didn't even bother paying attention to the movie...which is counterproductive when adapting said movie.

[@SpeedyEric1]

I may be a huge fan of Star Wars, and the film saga is my favorite film series of all time, but I have a soft spot fro Star TREK as well. I own all 13 Star Trek films in my movie collection, including the Director's Edition of Star Trek 1 and 2. I agree with Linkara that The Wrath of Khan is one of the most classic of Star Trek stories. This comic, however, was missing the point.

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

"A Youngblood member trying to follow the 12 days of Christmas to appease a hairless Circe." Okay, I was all geared up to see how an adaptation of one of the few pieces of Star Trek media that I actually got super into came out, but now I have to go watch this other thing because that sentence is too bizarre for me to let it lie. I have now watched the other review. It makes exactly as much sense in context.

[@namegoeshere5220]

Pudgy, distorted Kirk? ...you mean William Shatner?

[@egyptspivey777]

So Pollo has been the camerman this whole time? No wonder he keeps asking for movable arms.

[@kylesmith1065]

i have to give thanks to you linkara what you said about the wrath of khan made me want to see it and after i watched that i wanted to watch the show and i enjoyed the hell out of the original series and the next generation i probably never would have watch that if you did not peaked my interest in the wrath of khan

[@Trevin_Taylor]

Kyle Smith so, have you gone on and watched the others?

[@lorddrayvon1426]

One of the strengths of this movie is likely the minimalism. This movie takes place in all of seven locations (not counting entire star systems since that's pretty much window-dressing). The holodeck, Kirk's quarters, some random corridors and a lift, the Enterprise, the Reliant, underground on Ceti Alpha, Ceti Alpha 1 but it still manages to be marvellous.

[@Cdr2002]

Headcanon for Saavik’s rank: She IS a full Lieutenant, returned to Starfleet Academy for command training (this is after all before they had holodecks after all) and as such the crew for her to command as part of her training is cadets undergoing their own training

[@TK199999]

The reason for Saavik being a cadet and lieutenant, is that she at the end of graduation and performed so well at the academy in the command track, that they are making her a '3rd' lieutenant, which some navies and armies still used today.

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

"When Star Trek 2 is on, I *HAVE* to watch it." Well, now I know how to stop you from interfering with my evil plans.

[@Logan912]

One of the things that bug me about Wrath of Khan (the movie and, by extension, the comic) is that Chekov knows that they need to get away from Botany Bay because of Khan... despite the fact that the TOS episode "Space Seed" does not feature Chekov because he hadn't been introduced to Star Trek by that point. Sure, you could make the argument that Chekov probably read up on the Enterprise's previous adventures, but that's stretching it. If that were the case, the events in "Space Seed" are just one of many close-calls the Enterprise deals with in TOS, and "Botany Bay" is somewhat of a small detail especially considering he remembers the name of that ship but didn't recognize until that point that Khan was on the same planet. However, that does NOT excuse Khan somehow remembering who the hell Chekov is. Eh, whatever. You have to work with what you have. If I can let some plot inconsistencies slide between the Fast and the Furious movies then I can certainly live with them in Star Trek. Besides, it's not as jarring as the plot-hole in BTTF Part 2 where 2015 Biff Tannen shouldn't have arrived back to the same version of 2015 as before after giving 1955 Biff the almanac (still, I'm a big BTTF fan though.) Also, in "Space Seed," Kirk actually makes Khan a fair deal, and the episode ends with them both in agreement. Also, Khan was made aware that Ceti Alpha Five was a brutal planet before being sent there. It was never once stated as being "teaming with life." On the other hand, "Checking up on Khan" was never part of the deal, but Khan was left there for years to his thoughts with his love interest having died upon landing so I suppose it's not at all surprising or unrealistic that Khan would be festering hate for Kirk.

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

Okay, a bit of nuance you missed. King Lear isn't about betrayal. It's about perceiving betrayal where none exists and destroying your life because of it. Khan identifies with fictional characters whose obsessions lead to their own destruction, but he completely misses the point about it destroying them, even when missing that point is itself the entire point of story. Khan's desire for revenge transcends mere obsession and becomes blinding madness.

[@capmar-vell9243]

LinKHAAAAAAra!

[@MasterGeek-mk5ne]

After many years of hearing about Wrath of Khan, it finally peaked my curiosity & caught my attention. I watched with my mother, who watched the original tv series when she was younger & man, it was a epic & amazing as you said, Linkara. For a Shakespeare fanatic like myself, I loved this story, the villain, the moments of tension & the finale. I finally got why Star Trek was so beloved. Congratulations, I officially became a big fan of the series.

[@jessaminehaak8253]

It strikes me as odd that the Kobayashi-Maru scenario is famous for what it is. Isn't it more effective as a gauge of behaviour if the people taking the test DON'T KNOW that it's unwinnable? Basically all you have to do to pass it is do your best and keep your cool when you know that it's not something you need to beat. The stories always have people like Kirk conspiring to try and beat it but given the kinds of things they make in real life like scripts to recite in job interviews I find it way more likely that with its purpose being well-known it would just inspire a script to deliver and certain emotional notes to fake hitting to give off the appearance of the appropriate attitude.

[@jessewilley531]

Actually, fans wanted one for decades. The reason it didn't happen at the time was the license was in limbo. DC wanted to do it when they got the license. We got a few pages of their adaptation in their Star Trek (vol one) #1. But Paramount thought too much time had passed. IDW got to do it because Paramount want to be able to do a trade of ALL the movies and remembered they never did Star Trek II.

[@buddyb3165]

13:08 that's one of my favorite lines from this episode

[@Greyshader]

A deep confession: When this movie vame out, my country was still deep in the soviet era. It was hard being a trekkie back then. And later, when western entertainment finaly started to come through, it was too late for the original series. We just barely hopped on the New Generation train. So these older movies were a bit of a myth. I did my best back then and managed to get the Wrath of Khan in book form, translated of course. It scared the living hell out of me! My imagination filled in for the special effects with my own, perfectly convincing imagery and I was terrified! Now I can't even watch the movie. a) because it will never look as awesome as I made it back then and b) because it still scares me. I wish I could have had a book with pretty pictures.

[@lorddrayvon1426]

"I would not remind you of that which you know so well." At least I've found one movie that doesn't make the "as you know" mistake.

[@eugeneruby433]

That line from Kirk about the Enterprise being "the only ship in the quadrant" is a thousand times more nonsensical than the usual cliche of "only ship in range," or, "the only ship in the sector." I guess nobody reminded the writer for this comic that the entire Milky Way galaxy only has FOUR QUADRANTS, and at this point in Trek history, the Alpha Quadrant is pretty much the only decently explored one of the four by humans. So what Kirk is saying with that line is that every single other space fairing vessel from every known species is...what? Grounded? Under repairs? Destroyed? That line is terrible!!

[@AT4W]

There seems to be a terminology that quadrant can actually ALSO be equivalent to a sector or at least a smaller subdivision, or at least the terminology got revised later.

[@SBaby]

16:21 - Ok, this is just making me want to watch Wrath of Khan now.

[@lizzygoldburg5442]

On the Saavik rank thing, in, for example, ROTC, everyone does have a rank, but they're "cadet ranks". You could be, say, a Second Lieutenant, but you're still a Cadet Second Lieutenant. They show hierarchy within the cadet corps, serving as training for how the ranking system works. However, even the highest cadet rank is below the lowest enlisted rank.

[@samuelbarber4154]

There's so much red in this movie, the uniforms, Reliant's lights, blood, code red, the phaser, that one science research planet, was that Regular One?,.

[@JeffreyPiatt]

7:07 just an fact about the three K't'inga class not D7 battle crusers in the opening scene was recycled stock footage from the motion picture as ST 2 was under an very tight budget since the first film was very big pn over runs due to being first an film called planet of the titans with the connie refit desgined by Ralph McQuarrie with an star distroyer wedge engenering hull then it became phase II an new tv series ment to helm paramount's first cable network the network bombed out and star wars let to it becoming an film in stealth with paramount still taking scripts for the tv show. ironically to save cash the tv arm of paramount filmed the footage abd to get funds from ABC they gave them first brodcast rights and filmed extra footage just for the tv cut to replace non tv frently footage.

[@CRocketSlim]

Heh glad I checked to see if anyone else caught that too...

[@brianlewolfhunt]

The Dune joke has become retroactively funnier after the recent Dune comic review.

[@roguishpaladin]

6:01 I have to say that this is actually very realistic. If you look at real world news, you will see news reports about the US doing naval exercises off of the coast of Korea, China doing naval exercises near contested islands, etc. The point is not just for it to be a military exercise, but to also be an excuse to have an additional military presence in an area where you are concerned an enemy might try to pull a surprise attack or engage in clandestine activities.

[@destendgem]

I cab some up all Linkara's Star Trek reviews in one wird: NEEERRRD! But being serious for a moment, I do enjoy learning all this trivia about Star Trek.

[@SBaby]

22:45 - Maybe they're going by modern RTS rules when it comes to mass-producing vehicles. 'Don't build it YET! Each ship is worth 20 on the pop meter, and we have to wait until it goes down a bit!'.

[@SBaby]

20:30 - Yes, Regular-1. However we have yet to know how Irregular-4 or Slightly Unusual-8 are doing.

[@johnmcclure40]

20:06 Another problem with that picture. Evidently the guy with the glowsticks is a GIANT! He's behind the area where the Enterprise is, but even then he seems to be the same height as the midsection!

[@Rhomega]

Saw the movie again earlier today and decided to re-visit this review.

[@ZeldaTheSwordsman]

IDW was doing adaptations of the movies for all its licensed brands at the time. They also adapted The Transformers: The Movie, for instance. A tiny bit more competently than this since they actually attempted to answer some questions people raised... but there's a reason its only a tiny bit: The answers cause further questions and it still has stupidly dropped scenes, and stupid dialogue changes. (Regarding one of those faulty answers, having the other Decepticon combiners be absent because they were battling Omega Supreme and the Autobot combiners at the Mt. St. Hillary Autobot base to a stalemate is not exactly a smooth solution, since Megatron's goal was to crush Autobot City and deprive the Autobots of their only current tactically significant power plant (and if they were on-planet he could have called them and had them break off from that fight to finish the destruction of Autobot City and thwart Prime's turning the tide). A better answer would have been that Omega Supreme and the combiners were off scouring space for more fuel or something and were out of contact, while the other Decepticon combiners remained on Cybertron to guard it against any attempt to capitalize on Megatron's absence...) And they also botched it by not adapting the sequences that were storyboarded for the battle and its buildup but not animated or that appeared in trailers but not the film, which themselves actually do explain a lot: The Autobot shuttle sent to Earth ran into a meteor shower, which slowed it down enough to be overtaken (I'm presuming that the Decepticons used Astrotrain for the trip /to/ earth as well as their departure) The initial aerial strafing runs are what did Wheeljack (originally going to be Smokescreen but Wheeljack's planned subplot was dropped, possibly for reasons of budget and reasons of the creators getting pissed at Chris Latta) and Windcharger in Skywarp and Thundercracker are injured because they got blasted by some of the zillion defense guns. Bombshell is injured because Mirage nailed him with a missile (incidentally paying Bombshell back for brainjacking him with a cerebro-shell in the episode "Traitor") Mirage is absent from Season 3 because Megatron blew him away right after that, killing him. After being fought to a standstill by the Dinobots, Devastator is forcibly separated by a missile barrage from Ultra Magnus, Sideswipe, Red Alert, and Tracks, explaining why he's not seen separating as the Decepticons flee and why Frenzy and Rumble are able to easily shake him apart aboard Astrotrain later: His combination joints are already damaged. The now-pissed Constructicons naturally return fire, with Long Haul killing Red Alert (explaining why /he/ never shows up again in the series) Optimus Prime's shooting spree is interrupted by Blitzwing shooting his rifle out of his hands, followed by the Decepticons dogpiling him. This is why he's shown standing back up when he reaches Megatron, as well as why he's unarmed at first in their battle and has to pick the rifle up later. Yeah, IDW is full of stupid people.

[@CyberkillGames]

The sound of Khan speaking under that mask sounded like a combination of the Pyro from Team fortress 2 and Bane from the dark knight rises.

[@thoughtfulpug1333]

When making the Genesis joke, you should have played Suppers Ready, "You were expecting Invisible Touch, or something else from the Phil Collins era, BUT IT WAS ME, PETER!"

[@CRocketSlim]

Three people apparently thought they were thumbs downing the comic itself Linkara is reviewing and not the video itself?

[@KelniusTV]

17:23 "How did Kahn know about the planet exploding?" Easy, really. He didn't have a telescope? Yeah, but he's a *genetically superior being,* so he probably has improved eyes, but that may not even be necessary, because clearly, the planet was close enough to affect the orbit of the planet, so it would have been much closer, and so more easily identified in the sky of the planet.

[@KonElKent]

I know "Invisible Touch" is Genesis' biggest commercial hit, but it isn't even the best song on that album. "Tonight Tonight Tonight", "Land of Confusion", "The Brazilian"... Gah! I'm gonna go bust out my vinyl copy of the Shapes Album.

[@jessewilley531]

It's possible in the U.S. to graduate with a Lieutenant JG rank provided they have demonstrated a high level of aptitude or have spent longer at the academy for further officer training. (IE: Medical officers, engineer, etc.)

[@Gozokukolat]

Quite often officers, being groomed for command responsibilities, go to command school. So it is entirely possible for an LT to be a cadet in this instance.

[@andreworders7305]

16:07 okay, good. My memory isn’t failing me. I was very confused how Chekhov knew Khan when I watched the film.

[@JaredsGaming]

It's really cool that Linkara has the powers of Q.

[@quacksackerthegreatstarfir6996]

The worst part of the ceti-eel scene is when it sticks its tongue out before crawling inside Chekov's ear. That just creeps me out....

[@Merit2397]

Believe it or not, there was a time when I didn't want to comment on the Star Trek movies. I mean, I liked most of them a whole a lot, but I felt whatever I said wouldn't add to anything since it's already been said by others. That being said, I'm willing to make an exception for Star Trek II. I love this movie and it will always be the greatest most iconic story of the original series cast and for all time.

[@craigweidhuner6295]

Love the part at 15:15 where he says what the dialogue should sound like with the mask still on. Now I just picture Khan wearing the mask throughout the whole movie, mumbling all his dialogue with no one being able to understand what he's saying. Khan: [inaudible mumbles] Joachim: Uh sir, please take your mask off, it's hard to follow your orders when we can't understand what you're saying. Also just for fun, watch the above mentioned scene with the closed captioning/subtitles on. Having KZbin's algorithm try to decipher the dialogue, only to end up with random nonsense just makes the scene even funnier.

[@fshglskjfhglskjhfg]

I'm confused, does the Kobayashi-Maru test use the Enterprise bridge, or just a generic bridge (of the class that the Enterprise is [which I don't recall, I think it's been multiple classes] or another class)

[@AT4W]

+Sage Harpuia Constitution Class, and yeah - just a generic Bridge set. Obviously for the film they used the Enterprise's bridge to save money, but it could be any old bridge.

[@fshglskjfhglskjhfg]

Ok, thanks!

[@CRocketSlim]

Gotta love Starfleet using that bridge for the Reliant too :)

[@mogan4534]

Honestly, the only movies that should be turned into comic book adaptations are really bad movies so that people can have a better version. Plus, if your comic sucks too, then you can just say, "well, at least it's not the movie."

[@Tareltonlives]

Same!

[@Savagewolver]

Nimue puts up with so much. Poyo too, actually.

[@Djinsin]

I own the blu ray of this movie and I LOVE IT!!!!

[@zd8155]

Is it me or do all the characters in those Wrath of Khan comics, look like low-poly N64/PSOne-era models, when they're in those wide shot panels?

[@metropod]

I never got why, of everything they cut, the took out the part that establishes that Cadet Preston was Scotty's nephew. It adds so much meaning to the story and to his death.

[@Trevin_Taylor]

metropod seen the movie a billion times, and I never picked up on that.

[@metropod]

Trevin Taylor it was cut from the normal releases and only used on the ABC TV and directors cuts.

[@Trevin_Taylor]

metropod oh good, i was afraid i missed it.

[@metropod]

Trevin Taylor kzbin.info/www/bejne/epDWZYiCo5msrZo

[@redpillfreedom6692]

It better explains why Scotty is so broken up over that particular cadet's death.

[@WinterSteele]

I've never seen "Wrath of Khan," but I really want to because I'm a big fan of Ricardo Montalban. I just recently got to watch the original series episode he appeared in-- great stuff.

[@andrewmihovich4252]

"Aren't you dead?" Well, he *was* just on the bridge that underwent a simulated destruction at the hands of the Klingons in -- or so I hear -- a fake-out opening specifically designed to counter details having leaked on how the movie ended. ...but, yeah, I never made that connection -- Khan's worldview is informed by the fact that he was stuck in a box with those specific books to read, over and over again. Re: First-act cliffhanger: Honestly, out of context, telling the crew that there's a good chance what they're about to do is *way* more dangerous than what they signed up for and they're going to have to grow up faster than expected... so he's sorry to put this on them; there's a lightning storm in space coming... yeah. I see what they were going for, there.

[@TheStarTrekApologist]

Kirk was a LT. when he entered the academy. I outlined this in my Kirk History video.

[@rowdycmoore]

You know, as bad as Star Trek 5 was... it did at least subvert the very "only Starship in the area" plot device Linkara gripes about here, when Starfleet Command told Kirk there were more capable ships in the area, but that they needed HIM for his expertise especially.

[@JaelinBezel]

Will you teach me how to play music by pointing my finger at the ceiling?

[@LTamazil]

3:08 is it me or does he sound like he's turning into a robot based on the audio.

[@andreworders7305]

How did Khan know about all those star systems he talks about chasing Kirk around in the movie if he’s from 1998.

[@AT4W]

He read up a lot while on the Enterprise.

[@Gasoline85]

12:39 - Aaaand a couple of grenades, it seems.

[@chakotay2420]

I think Saavlik was in command school not the academy. That explains her rank.

[@darreljones8645]

Speaking of Saavlik, I believe she was played by Kirstie Allie, who would later have starring roles in Cheers and Overweight(?) Actress.

[@emmyttsmith8033]

I have a firm belief that no film is perfect.... even if it only has small issues that still subtracts something.

[@redvelvetunderground]

what can you say about star trek II, the famous film set in san francisco? a five bagger for sure.

[@andreworders7305]

Why does Chekhov say Ceti Alpha 5 was a paradise in this? It was harsh but liveable. By no means was it a paradise.

[@AlexMcGillvrey]

What was your first favorite movie of all time Linkara?

[@wadeleppien1392]

Alex McGillvrey Camelot

[@AlexMcGillvrey]

Wade Leppien I suspected that.

[@BronyDanProductions]

Ah, this was my first episode of Atop the Fourth Wall'. It actually made me want to go and buy 'Star Trek II' which I did.

[@michaelnally2841]

While the comic is far inferior to the film I do prefer the khan reveal in the comic of khan as he’s removing his helmet. Feels a bit more dramatic and I think it perfectly fits his character.

[@andreworders7305]

The 23rd century thing in the movie bugged me for one reason. 23rd Century would be the 2200s right? Then why do Kirk and McCoy act like an ale from 2280 is really old? It can’t be older then 20 years of the movie is set in the 23rd century! It bugs the Hell out of me!

[@johnmcclure40]

Ale apparently has a pretty limited shelf life. Five years would be pretty old. Also probably wouldn't be that good.

[@epproductions7281]

Linkara can you please review the death of Spider-Man???

[@hypersilver1111]

is there an insurrection comic? do you have any plans to review it if so?

[@BrianS1981]

The beige void is the nexus. The comic is just foreshawdoing.

[@lorddrayvon1426]

How bloody old is this crew anyway? Going by normal time, it's two hundred years between Space Seed and Wrath of Khan. Do the crew have longevity or something?

[@AT4W]

Erm, no, it was fifteen years between Space Seed and Wrath of Khan. If you mean Khan's crew from when they were in 1996, that's because they were in suspended animation on the Botany Bay and were then located by the Enterprise crew in Space Seed and awoken.

[@lorddrayvon1426]

@@AT4W I get it. It's a bit of me misunderstanding the movie (came right off watching the movie for the first time when I wrote this. For some reason, I assumed it was 200 years SINCE Space Seed when it was 200 years before Space Seed. Also, only realised this now but Khan has super strength. Picked Checkov right off his feet and lugged around a giant piece of concrete like debris in the final battle with minimal exertion.

[@juhaniaho6698]

Favorite moment: 13:05-13:13

[@lorddrayvon1426]

It just occured to me that Khan is Kirk's enemy but Spock can be considered the main character of the movie.

[@threturnofstonewalljackson9481]

linkara do you hate the movie star trek into darkness yes or no give me your opinon about what you think about star trek into darkness in my honest opinon star trek 2 the wrath of khan is way better than star trek into darkness

[@Zombiekilleryamato]

Can you update your playlist at4w behind by two arcs and you let's of Star Trek is not complete

[@Zombiekilleryamato]

The playlist stops at the first power rangers comic review so and you have two years up load but not add to the playlist

[@Lee78072]

Where you got that Uniform from Linkara?

[@Trevin_Taylor]

Lee78072 you can buy anything on the internet

[@KubatheChangeling]

Yeah, as much as I don't watch alot of Star Trek movies, due to me not being a Trekkie, so nitpick away as much as you want. X3 Also, do you have like one of those memory wipers from Men in Black? (Totally don't know the name of it, but I know what it does.)

[@Bauglir100]

They're called "Neuralizers".

[@KubatheChangeling]

Thank you.

[@peron486]

12:03-12:07 what song is playing there?

[@mgtowskeptic5201]

Invisible Touch

[@andreworders7305]

I'm still making my way through the Original Series, and unlike the 1st movie, I've heard this one is pretty good. So to avoid spoilers I'm going to skip these 3 episodes for now. Hope I'm not missing anything in the storyline.

[@AT4W]

...Uhhhhhhh... Yeah, storyline stuff is kind of a major thing here and in the Star Trek III review. Might want to just watch the storyline video, then.

[@andreworders7305]

@@AT4W I just decided to go watch the movie and screw waiting to get to it in chronological order.

[@mountbuckekreative4044]

Well, one could decide to stick to the rules and not even fly into the neutral zone and leave the whole aftermath to the diplomats. Considering that you would only loose one ship instead of two and maybe even get the hostages(shooting down an already disabled freighter with civilians seems to be quite dishonorable and probably unnecessary) back after some political hick-hack, this would be at least not be a total loss.

[@lordlelouch2379]

It not a three d-7 it three k'tinga class Battlecrusier.

[@New3DSLuigi364]

Actually it's NOT Mecha-kara it's SPOILERS: LORD VYCE

[@cobrasphere9760]

Granny Goodness!

[@KubatheChangeling]

DA-DA-DUUUUUM!

[@erikdeusenberry5307]

yes the story and charaters are weak but a time travel whale vs a imprisoned space being which is more true to star treks core focus? five is not four you have to take this into account as well.

[@kadindarklord]

if it's your second faviourite, what is your faviourite?

[@kadindarklord]

Umm... Camelot isn't Star Trek. I thought he hated Insurrection. it sounded like his crossover review with Nostalgia Critic?

[@wadeleppien1392]

kadindarklord He said second favorite movie of ALL TIME, not second favorite Star Trek movie, and yes in his crossover with NC said he hated Insurrection

[@kadindarklord]

yea

[@zoeybedenbaugh835]

15:30 Bane

[@professorpigeon6517]

They are D7

[@jakebryant3445]

00:33 huh no wonder Nick Fury shot him

[@JaelinBezel]

Nimue is so pretty

[@jakebryant3445]

16:05 gah I hate that plot hole. It would've made better sense if they switched Chekhov will Sulu.

[@EmSeeSquared]

Koenig knew this too...which is why he didn't say anything, cuz he wanted a scene with Montalban, LOL

[@jakebryant3445]

Hm I guess he's a fan

[@kamdan2011]

Sulu wasn’t in Space Seed either. The only crew member of the Reliant who encountered Khan in the episode was Commander Kyle.