Why Vader Never Became Powerful Enough to Overthrow Palpatine and Become Emperor Himself! (Legends)

[@Pskyb]

Misleading title, he threw him over that railing perfectly fine.

[@hunter-ki6kc]

@@Michael-McCollum because luke took off darth vader mask instead of using the force to slow down his pain.STUPID

[@yungpo9853]

@@hunter-ki6kc His FN father Darth Vader told him to take the helmet off! Stupid!

[@hunter-ki6kc]

@@yungpo9853 if luke didn't take off his mask he would have survived but they needed the plot to thicken but if the plot didn't matter then he would survive.STUPID

[@yungpo9853]

@@hunter-ki6kc Bitch listen. His father told him to do it. If you want to blame anyone you blame Vader for his own death. Luke knew nothing of his father's breathing apparatus or gear. Fn stupid ass.

[@ronmorey1246]

clicked on this video to say basically this. Good on yea :-)

[@WIZZARD2114]

He did overthrow him... from a certain point of view

[@bronsonperich9430]

wizard productions aaaarrrrggggghhhh!!!!!!!! BOOOM!!!!

[@tavianarmstrong974]

ahh robot chicken... such a gift

[@petergray2712]

Well he threw him over, anyway.

[@samoanjoseph1457]

Nah he just threw him. Overthrow sounds to me like he had no problem doing it... but it cost him plenty, and it was more of a drop than anything else.

[@darkthorpocomicknight7891]

If you wish to become a complete and wise leader, you must embrace a larger view of falling down a pit.

[@katiepersons6575]

You have to admire Darth Bane. He believed a master should teach their apprentice everything they knew, and it that meant they became strong enough to end the master's reign, so be it. The strongest rule. That's the way of the Sith. Sidious in contrast didn't care about the order of the Sith, only himself. He gave Vader teachings in a slow drip solely to extend his own survival. He weakened the Sith for his personal benefit.

[@Jeffthecreepyastafan]

That's the downfall of the rule of two...if a sith like sidous who only cares about himself and not the sith will ironically doom the sith...bane never had plans after his rule was successful nor knew what sith Lord could be in his line

[@B-rex395]

I always had mixed feelings about Darth Bane. On one hand, his decision to create and enforce the rule of two makes sense, especially considering all of the infighting among the sith. On the other hand, we lose all of the political intrigue that came as a result of having a sith empire with multiple active Sith Lords (like what is seen in the old republic games).

[@vladimirgjorgievski6647]

I agree...

[@dy7296]

sidious is a jerk, even to his own religion he held so dear.

[@creeperYT9824]

If vader kills emperor and survives to become a sith i think he will be a "good" sith and will let their apprentice kill them if the apprentice is powerful enough

[@stephenquinn7931]

Well he never became able to overthrow palpatine but he was able to throw palpatine.

[@UmairKhan-ku5yc]

Ha ha ha ha lol

[@kikimora4349]

I-

[@catalingodo5379]

Broooooooo rly ?

[@UmairKhan-ku5yc]

@@catalingodo5379 ya remember in return of the jedi

[@burnedbread4691]

Totally underrated comment

[@yourstruly4817]

Because unlike the Senate, he doesn't have unlimited powah

[@oldshoes4290]

Neither does he have the High Ground.

[@kieranb7747]

cringe.

[@grandmastersithari526]

Limited Powah

[@kikimora4349]

You are correct

[@rare_kumiko]

From the canon novel Lords of the Sith: Vader turned and looked down to the floor below, where his Master, surrounded by a dozen or more lyleks, was spinning, whirling, leaping, his lightsaber moving so fast it blurred. He looked tiny amid their bulk but moved with preternatural speed, his blade stabbing and slashing and severing. He was laughing, the familiar cackle somehow audible above the sounds of the horde. But then a score or more of lyleks lurched at him at once from all sides, leaping and climbing over one another, their tentacles a squirming net, their claws slashing, their massive chitinous bodies blocking him from Vader’s view. A thought flashed through Vader’s mind, a stray thought, just for a moment: his Master dead, Vader ruling the Empire, the galaxy, unconstrained by the leash of an old man… He killed the thought, leapt from the mouth of the tunnel, flipped in midair, and landed hard atop one of the lyleks. It bucked, tentacles squirming. He drove his blade down through its back and out its abdomen, killing it. Tentacles reached for him from the left and right, and a third lylek reared up over its dead kin to get at him, but he vaulted from the carcass on which he stood and onto the back of another lylek a meter away. Again he drove his lightsaber down and through it. “Master!” he shouted, still unable to see the Emperor in the press of the creatures. A blast of power from somewhere under the throng of creatures drove four lyleks ten meters into the air, their bodies shattered by the force of the impact, limbs and tentacles showering down in a macabre rain. His Master stood in the center of the circle of surviving lyleks, his hair mussed, his robe torn, his lightsaber in hand, but otherwise seemingly unharmed. Vader leapt down to his Master’s side. They took position back-to-back. “Master,” Vader said. “Lord Vader,” his Master responded, and chuckled. “Enjoyable, no? Did you consider allowing me to die to realize your own ambitions?” Vader didn’t even attempt to lie. “I did, but only for a moment.” “Good,” his Master said. “Very good.”

[@Zoroth3Demon]

These two were the shit

[@andrestorres7433]

Can i find them (the novels) online? Where?

[@mort-à-tous-les-fascistes]

Andrés Torres I know you can find a lot of the original canon material online “Star audio books” is one I think. But canon material is usually behind paywalls.

[@skatemo100]

Buy the books, they're worth it

[@Drawnartist]

Well done sir what a great scene thanks I enjoyed reading that again

[@AnneWest_]

He was able to "overthrow" Plapatine though

[@victormezynski9727]

But he died

[@thewidowskiss7675]

Victor Mezynski still killed Palpi though

[@vaibhavkumar8133]

Yes, I agree. He did threw palpitine at last

[@victormezynski9727]

@@thewidowskiss7675 But he still didn't have time to technically be Emperor

[@GodOfWar109]

@@thewidowskiss7675 palp came back tho

[@maux7767]

I kind of think there's something missing here. That there was a more specific thing Vader was after before he challenged the Emperor even beyond just sith stuff he didn't know yet. And I think it's actually found in Shadows of the Empire. There's a scene in that story that's one of my favorite Star Wars scenes in general, because it really gets at the nature of the Dark Side. It's when Vader is in his little pressure chamber and he's working on trying to survive unaided outside of his suit. And he's really on the cusp of it, through sheer force of will he manages for like a minute or so. Something unfathomable to even be able to do, and he achieves it. But it's super short. I think more than anything else he knew he needed to succeed fully at that before he could challenge Palpatine. When he would truly be no longer vulnerable to the lightning. Like, that's what he was waiting for. And what makes it so interesting is why it's so short. Because as soon as he's happy at all about achieving that freedom, the Dark Side flees from him and he's dying again and has to get back in the enclosed chamber. So like, that power is so seductive. Very much a quick way to get more power than any Jedi, but ultimately will always be weaker because you can never actually win. The power is never enough. The minute you stop craving more and actually achieve some sort of peace it's gone. The sisyphean struggle of the Sith at its heart. You're just always going to be dominated by this hunger that you can't satisfy, because the minute you're satisfied, even a little, it's gone.

[@kevinthunder3375]

That was deep bro

[@MrDSyR]

Why can’t I copy this to send it to someone fuck

[@betterlatethannever4529]

Sidious never respected the Rule of Two as it was created. He didn't try to teach Vader everything he knew so as to keep Vader under him.

[@stanleylee3329]

better late than never and he also had Count and Maul at the same time, if I’m not mistaken. As well as having inquisitors as soft core Sith

[@juliosantana3536]

@@stanleylee3329 didn't Dooku join him after Maul was taken out by Obi Wan? I remember reading that he joined the sith to eventually avenge Maul killing Qui-Gon.

[@kevinthunder3375]

@@juliosantana3536 he was already working Dooku while he had Maul, just like he did with Dooku and Anakin.

[@stanleylee3329]

Julio Santana I don’t think so, but I could be wrong. Based on him being Yoda’s strongest Padawan he’d definitely be on the council, and he wasn’t in Ep. 1. Plus if he joined after Maul died there would be nobody to avenge. Plus the Jedi talked about him as if they hadn’t seen him in a lifetime. Which, could be ten years? Idk but I would t bet on it

[@betterlatethannever4529]

@@stanleylee3329 Dooku actually refused to be on the council when offered

[@danieljensen2626]

That feel when you've been an apprentice for 25 years and your master hasn't taught you shit.

[@GearWukong]

Darth Vader was a snake eating it's own tail. He hated himself, Anakin Skywalker, so much he was willing to burn the galaxy just to spite his face. But that wasn't enough. He was even willing to subjugate himself to very madman who had manipulated him into this fate, the bitter irony that he had somehow come full circle and was a slave once again seared away the last of his humanity. One final mockery to stomp down and crush every hope and dream he had ever foolishly harboured. And unfortunately for everyone, he considered death a mercy he didn't deserve.

[@DaleESkywalker]

Patience was all it would've taken... well, that and confidence..and maybe...who knows what?

[@gabrieltsgardner9942]

Who knows what? Literally picking him up and throwing him down the shaft of the death star turned out to be enough. Palpatine wasn't weakened, he was only distracted, Vader was near death himself. Its hard to logic the way around this one unfortunately, ultimately he didn't because there would be no story, the in universe reason is nigh impossible to come up with because the emperors power is inconsistently portrayed across various media, as is Vader's.

[@blank003]

@@gabrieltsgardner9942 vader was like 50 and emperor was a decaying corpse. It isn't inconsistent. They weren't in their prime.

[@gabrieltsgardner9942]

@@blank003 Age is your argument? Dooku was 90 and still one of the best duellists in the galaxy. (Enough to defeat a younger version of Anakin, Obi-wan, and fight yoda to a near draw) The Emperor's lack of vision, and awareness of Vaders actions is fine within the context of the films, it doesn't have to be Explained. but the (at least now disney approved EU fluff) expanded universe has rather made them look a bit foolish (and I love the expanded universe)

[@blank003]

@@gabrieltsgardner9942 dooku was around 82 when he died. Common, sidious was defeated so easily. Vader can't even run properly and he still couldn't dodge that grab. This leads me to believe he could no longer jump around and do flips like in rots. He was older than 90.

[@Slopmaster]

A handful of sand?

[@DarkEinherjar]

I don't think Palpatine had any intention of letting Vader surpass and overthrow him... not after Mustafar, at least. He even had Cylo's creations dispute Vader's position as his apprentice after Vader's failure at Yavin. Palpatine seemed to be more interested in having a servant and a personal enforcer, rather than an apprentice that could potentially become a rival. Palpatine's version of the Rule of Two was always meant to be a "Rule of One", with him always being the top dog.

[@jonathansmith1520]

@DarkEinherjar The “Rule of Two” was created by Darth Bane after he took out the remaining Sith Lords. How ironic it is that the one thing that kept the Sith alive, became the very thing that destroyed them.

[@Zoroth3Demon]

@@jonathansmith1520 so true. Maybe Bane should have made the rule of 4. 2 to love in the shadows of the unknown region to keep the sith alive and 2 to send into the core worlds to enact the siths plans.

[@kylek7306]

Legends isint cannon. Smh

[@jonathansmith1520]

@Kyle K Neither is Disney Star Wars. Smh

[@kylek7306]

@@jonathansmith1520 it defiantly is. Who do you think bought it and made kotor and legends non cannon?

[@smashingpots9928]

I think lucas said anakin could have been twise as powerful as palpatine and yoda, but after his injuries he was only like 80% as powerful.

[@3Rayfire]

I was wondering if I was misremembering when he didn't mention that.

[@deckard5pegasus673]

you're taking the 80% out of context. Vader potential went down "supposedly" due to his injuries...at the start...but as time went by and with the right training and knowledge Vader could bring that 80% up to surpass palpatine. It would be a more difficult road than if he didn't have injuries, but he would still be able to surpase palpatine eventually.

[@velociraptorgod110]

@@deckard5pegasus673 and in canon, he didnt lost his potential at all. Bis power is just sealed in his broken mind

[@deckard5pegasus673]

@@velociraptorgod110 exactly

[@caneloex5897]

@@deckard5pegasus673 nah if he didn’t become most robot he would produce lighting and wouldn’t of died from palpatine

[@macwelch8599]

Emperor Vader would’ve been scary

[@yourstruly4817]

I don't think Vader is nearly as smart as Palpatine

[@fijiunlimited4503]

@@yourstruly4817 And Palpatine is absolutely pure evil; Vader was just depressed.

[@giganticitalianbodybuildin1584]

@@yourstruly4817 Nah, he was just uncultured.

[@omfgfrinkomfg]

@David Carty vader/anakin was an amazing engineer and roboticist. But that dosen't allow you to understand how people think and how to lead a state. I think Vader would be a terrible emperor

[@nameynamename3758]

@David Carty But not so much in politics or ruling a galaxy, unlike Palpatine who trained for it his entire life.

[@tristan702]

Short answer: Vader was crippled.

[@supersaiyangplays7842]

'twas but a fleshwound

[@satan899]

Sidious wanted Vader to want to overthrow him because it would motivate him to grow in power. Palpatine realizing he wasn’t gonna be in any danger to be overthrown, he sees in Luke his father from 23 years ago. Vader’s cybernetics made him almost never be able to be stronger than him which is why Palpatine wanted to replace him. Look at the way in episode 6 when he tells Luke “I’m looking forward to completing your training”. He’s actually forming a smile on his face that seems like he’s genuine looking forward to it. It’s almost as if he’s saying that because he’s been waiting all this time to train the apprentice he was hoping anakin would be and sees he’s got another chance. Sidious knew that after his injuries, Vader really would never be worthy or strong enough to overthrow him, but at the time saving Vader was his best option at the time.

[@omarvanegas8481]

Oooooooooh.....can you please do a video showing how Anakin would've looked if he had a regular Sith Progression without the suit?....🤔

[@sorenosanguinem117]

Seconded......DEW IT!!!

[@ultimagaming6035]

Absolutely

[@shreyaspatil2321]

Everyone would be fucked

[@coreythomas3633]

Rayden Darkus basically

[@omarvanegas8481]

@@coreythomas3633 "RAYDEN DARKUS"....PRICELESS 😁

[@bigfudge2031]

he didn't "overthrow" Palpatine, but he did "throw him over"

[@Drawnartist]

Ugh yeah hilarious I've seen this same joke here 4 times already

[@darylsdesigns6679]

He didn’t have the high ground This meme will never end, will it?

[@barrettragins3659]

Daryl Franklin, Jr. nope

[@fijiunlimited4503]

True. The consequence of that caused him to never be able to defeat Sidius, since he had the metal suit.

[@connorschultz380]

No never

[@appa6610]

Actually he’s always had the high ground over Palpatine he’s 6’6

[@tristanh2282]

You guys know where you can read the comics at or anything

[@jamesbender1184]

Darth Vader could have killed Sidious any time he wanted to he just didn't believe in himself enough to think he could

[@deckard5pegasus673]

@Leotis Bennett Exactly!

[@2gunzup07]

Naw he couldn't he was a burnt weak crippled broken man

[@BernardoSucksAtCallOuts]

@@2gunzup07 imagine responding to a comment after 10 months

[@2gunzup07]

@@BernardoSucksAtCallOuts imagine responding to a comment that is not even for you

[@supersaiyangplays7842]

That's a burn vader couldn't even recover from.

[@NamenIoser]

he just needed two lightsabers

[@Sguidroz]

I really like the cannon of Vader only continuing to serve sideous because he had lost everything and was desperately afraid of being completely alone since sideous was the one person in the universe he had left, and then when he learned of luke being his son he wanted to overthrow the emperor with luke as he would no longer be completely alone if he killed sideous because he had luke

[@samueldrejby9058]

This has to be one of the greatest channels and videos about star wars, and comics.

[@blank003]

I honestly think, if vader wanted he could beat sidious. Sidious seemed very weak during rotj. He may have still had the same force potential, but he couldn't even escape a guy that literally carried him and threw him away. That scene also showed vader walking that distance while enduring the damage of the lightning without his life support system to help him and his robotic limbs deactivated. All vader had to do was manage to get a suit like star killers that allowed him to use force lightning and to move like a human. I think he just lacked the ambition needed to do this. He saw no point in it. He was depressed.

[@positiveintegersbetween2an198]

Another really good viewpoint of their relationship can be found in the Lord's Of The Sith novel. It goes over Vader's viewpoint before ANH. One of the most important parts ( SPOILER ) of the book is where Vader and Palpatine are sitting at a bonfire and Vader tells him he has no to little reason to dismantle his rule and how angry it makes him that Palpatine worries about it. Later in the novel there facing these space bugs(don't remember the name) and basically the emperor is tearing through them and in Vader's thoughts he says how easy it would be to just take him out right there. HIGHLY recommend as a read, I want to say it's canon. Personally I loved reading about Palpatine revealing to Vader how strong he is in the force (Honestly it's insane lol)

[@kylek7306]

Thank you! Check out the new marvel disney cannon vader

[@mikem4162]

While I love a lot of the stories from legends. I dislike much of their explanations for his suit and what we saw on screen. Not being able to cast lighting from his none extant fingers? Got it, but he's not capable of deflecting it, absorbing it or anything such as yoda, or dooku. He doesn't train day and night to ensure he is prepared against his one true vulnerability either through the force, his saber, or augmentations to his suit? The force is so much more than casting sith lightning, it's awesome but he would have so many other powers at his disposal.

[@Seahorn_]

When an ordinary electrician can blow your fuses and leave you stranded......... Then you know your not ready to overthrown the emperor

[@SalCapone6499]

This has 66 likes. This is a great comment and I want to like it, but I don’t want to ruin its like count.

[@creeperYT9824]

@@SalCapone6499 1 year later still 66 likes

[@jet34thehawk]

Awesome video man

[@TheOtakuKat]

I've always held the theory Vader was always more powerful than Sidious just his cybernetics Sidious gave him was design in such a way that if Vader did try to overthrow Sidious the most likely outcome they would both perish a result Vader wish to avoid.

[@gerardomunoz6725]

In the current canon Sidious allows Vader to maintain and or modify his suit any way he wants. I would assume that with the technological resources the Empire has he would have access to the best insulators available to protect his cybernetic parts. It's just force lighting at full power is just too much for either a cyborg or organic person to handle without a lightsaber to deflect it.

[@keithkahler1327]

@@gerardomunoz6725 there is a force technic to absorb the lightning, but Vader never learned the ability

[@GespenstDesKommunismus]

@@keithkahler1327 Vader did learn the tutaminis technique, but he didn't manage to perfect it to the degree of someone like Yoda. That way, he could absorb Han's blaster shots in Episode 5, but not Sidious' force lightning, which was much stronger.

[@keithkahler1327]

@@GespenstDesKommunismus he also suffered that problem, when Starkiller fought against him, which was counteracted when ever Vader was able to close the distance between the two, I do believe that had vader retained more of his original body sidious would have been overthrown more easily and in a less suicidal manor by Lord Vader

[@GespenstDesKommunismus]

@@keithkahler1327 That isn't a matter of belief, but it's a fact that a full potential Vader could have easily overthrown Palps after a few years.

[@Thousandeyes85]

Your narrations are 2nd to none!

[@sje106]

You would’ve thought with all the technologies in the Star Wars universe they’d be able to grow his limbs back and reattach them.

[@Nelo_Wolf]

If he had his limbs and arms, he would be a powerful jedi beyond imagination itself

[@TheLiamster]

Arms are limbs

[@Nelo_Wolf]

@@TheLiamster well you know what I mean

[@utoresa5193]

Anakin on Mortis tapped into his true potential and Grandmaster Luke was pretty much that when he faced Abeloth more effectively than the Son and the Daughter did together

[@itiswhatitis5667]

@@TheLiamster so much intelligence so much power

[@makotonaegi4419]

So your gonna go against George Lucas and how is a sith supposed to fight without limbs?.

[@tjk3430]

How did Obiwan know how to deflect Dooku's force lightening with his saber in ep 2? Did he guess that would work or was it part of Jedi training.

[@Drawnartist]

Long story short you could train to deflect lightning with your saber and maybe obi won did Ventress also knew how to do this but Savage oppress didn't who was new to the force when he had the chance against dooku wow not a short answer at all sorry but yeah hope that answers ur question

[@tjk3430]

@@Drawnartist much nicer than "Common sense".

[@Drawnartist]

@@tjk3430 your welcome and yeah really haha

[@rachelprighel4409]

Jedi training

[@rachelprighel4409]

Jedi training

[@rafikyahiacherif2036]

Poor Vader.... Obiwan had the high ground, and Palpatine had the High voltage He never had any chance against Palpatine Thanks for your video, and awesome one !

[@rafikyahiacherif2036]

@@user-dg2ub7rn8i i though it was also confirmed in the canon that Darth Vader is weak against the Lightning Force

[@westernmotives3920]

@@rafikyahiacherif2036 he is still very weak against it but through the force he can keep his cybernetics working

[@user-ke7mx3vk7k]

This comment is underrated XD

[@rafikyahiacherif2036]

@@user-ke7mx3vk7k thanks :D

[@rafikyahiacherif2036]

@@westernmotives3920 Thanks for the detail !

[@DarknetDude]

Awww, Vader and Palps. BSFF, Best (SITH) Friends Forever.

[@Yeentenology]

*Not So Fast, Buster!* It is nothing compared to *Father and Son* *09:14*

[@KaiserAfini]

King Ommin once said that the true power of the dark side lied behind a wall that could only be accessed once a practitioner hated everything, including the dark side itself. Vader never reached that apex, so he remained a painter gone blind, a musician gone deaf and unwilling to grow his talents beyond his limitations. Yet it was that flicker of light that enabled his redemption.

[@Ephideltrance]

Vader was too broken mentally and emotionally to ever overthrow Sidious. That is why it only happened when he returned to his Anakin persona.

[@virgoolokun3088]

Great video. I always wondered why (given the obvious advanced cloning and engineering capabilities in Star Wars) Vader never cloned new eyes, lungs and limbs -OR- use is talents in engineering to make a new / improved suit. I suppose "plot" was a main reason. Oh well.

[@Parents_of_Twins]

What this fails to recognize is unlike every Master/Apprentice pair before Sidious and Vader the Sith had succeeded in wiping out most of the Jedi by the time Vader was injured. If that hadn't been the case Sidious would have abandoned Vader just like he did Maul. Sidious didn't care about teaching Vader and didn't want him to surpass him. When Vader lost his arm and legs he lost too much organic tissue to reach the heights he once could have obtained and would have always fallen short of Sidious' power.

[@juliusmorgan2292]

vader: so i threw the entire senate over a railing

[@Knowledge.to_Come]

Because what he really wanted was a father which he never had but once he realized he was a father he became the father he always wished he had

[@haiyanakma]

He may not have over thrown him, but he did throw him over....

[@Twinsuns2187]

Great vid man!

[@cm1_g766]

Imagine if Vader was trained by someone who taught him everything they know imagine how powerful darth Vader would of been then.

[@CrazyGirl-dn5yt]

The Rage and Power he exhibited in at the end of Rogue one...I'm sure he could have caught Palpy off guard and beheaded him...he was to dependent on Sidious and he waited to late....he should have struck while the Iron was still Hot...he didnt need that old bag of bones anyways...

[@Yeentenology]

Now i am *Clueless* on how old Palpatine was by VI My (most likely inaccurate) guess is around 110 years old *Nobody:* Palpatine: you can never beat the dark side. Me: *OK Boomer.*

[@basillah7650]

I think it was said before that Anakin would have been killed after the jedi purge because sidious thought he was to strong to control so either way he was never going to be fully trained.

[@TheDarkMaster312]

"Darth Vader shall become more powerful than either of us." Pre suit anakin and post suit vader had the same potential, however Vader believed he was stunted due to his injuries

[@yowaimomo7359]

George Lucas confirmed that Vader/Anakin lost %40 of his potential, and his full power was only %80 of the Sidious. That's why Palpatine was always looking for a replacement for Vader. He wanted that overpowered guy, not this crippled one which makes me really sad how Sidious was able to replace Vader after everything he lost. Obnoxious man...

[@IMPERATOR-EL]

@@yowaimomo7359 Lucas makes up midchilorian science that doesn't even make sense. Your Brain is the only thing necessary to make a spiritual connection to anything, not your limbs!!

[@zach_attacker]

Vader: You underestimate my power Palp: No, you underestimate *my* power

[@VeryEvilGM]

R2-D2: No, you underestimate my power.

[@zach_attacker]

Lol

[@jendersonmohammed443]

My favourite sci fi villain EVER!

[@Drawnartist]

Sidious or Vader?

[@jendersonmohammed443]

@@Drawnartist Darth Vader!

[@Drawnartist]

@@jendersonmohammed443 haha ok 😂 makes sense I guess I never was crazy for pals at first but man over the years I've really grown to love him too

[@jendersonmohammed443]

@@Drawnartist same here

[@zero5496]

In the end he did “over throw” him literally though

[@rachelprighel4409]

Nice job skyguy sir general master

[@frankcastellanos]

We need a Vader film from after he became Vader to Luke

[@michaelsams7703]

But Vader did make one attempt in the movies- In Empire Strikes Back, He at first tried to recruit Luke to help him overthrow the Emperor

[@belafonte5519]

He had no finesse . .. he was an upgraded tool of Sidious . .. a cross between Maul and Grievous.

[@t.g.b.1164]

Hey SWRC, as much as I love your videos, I want more livestreams.

[@amadeuszjankowski9212]

He simply never had a chance of doing so. Palpatine wanted to claim the power of the Dark Side for himself, meaning that he wanted to end the Banite System for good. Which makes sense, bearing in mind that the system was out of it's use - Vader and Palpatine became the ultimate successors of the Sith grand plan, the Jedi and Republic were no more. This means that Palpatine had no real business making Vader powerful, and only made him as strong to maintain Vader's focus following the traumatic events he experienced and most likely - keep him around as his best tool for enforcing his Empire's laws.

[@luisandrade5500]

I wonder how the other imperial officers would react to darth Vader if he hadn’t lost his arms and limbs would he act the same or a bit differently

[@jimhuffman9434]

4:40 Vader looks like a mean little pepper shaker

[@AgentVamp]

6:57 Wait... I had to do a double-take on that. Gader? xD

[@joshfinn1432]

Talk about mind games.

[@joseaustin2692]

I won’t understand why Vader never upgraded his cybernetics? Not counting using his force power is cybernetics made him stronger faster look at General grievous what he could do with his cybernetics, I believe he could’ve made his Suit lightning proof without that weakness, it would’ve been no hope for the Emperor

[@kylek7306]

He does in the offical marvel cannon that way better then legends. DiSney made legends non cannon

[@jacksonhall9899]

Would Anakin have been able to do force lightning without his injuries?

[@chrisz5z]

Even if Vader did replace Sidious, he would fail as an emperor due to his lack of knowledge on how to manage an empire

[@chrismlone]

Taken Vader 25+ years to get close to Sidious equal. Took Rey a month and 2 lightsabers to get the job done.

[@hypersecures]

His crippling defeat

[@Zillamon51]

I've been a viewer of this channel for about a year. I always try to guess the "If not for meee...," and today was the first I got it exactly right!

[@caseywood9781]

I've always wondered why Vader didn't allow Luke just to kill Sideous on the second deathstar

[@Deadlyaztec27]

This is because he believed that Luke couldn't. Hence, he challenged Luke because he stood a better chance Vader than Palpatine. On Endor Vader had concluded that he wouldn't be able to smuggle Luke away from the Emperor without him knowing, so he decided to bring Luke to Palpatine. During his fight with Luke he planned to kill him, as Vader didn't want him to be a puppet of Sidious. He lost because he didn't expect Luke to be so powerful.

[@caseywood9781]

All Vader had to do is not block Luke's saber

[@caseywood9781]

He's more than a mere telekenetic, he's Dark Lord of the Sith, but it still doesn't answer the question

[@snaketheadversary6964]

That vader, what an ambitious lad

[@bradymcloudsbier5239]

So a bit off topic but I was wondering if you’ve ever went over the inquisitors lightsabers ...in particular they’re all red so is it safe to assume they all had to “bleed” their crystals? Or did they simply just receive when they became the inquisitors?

[@Frightmarelordofthenightmares]

Well he technically did overthrow him.

[@heroboo4418]

Couldn't Vader just "take out" the lighting vulnerability, in one comic sidous told vader that he could make anything he sees fit with the suit, with his engineering skills.

[@Yeentenology]

a while ago i saw a reply about making a faraday cage for (his) armor. That would make him impervious to the Sith lightning.

[@heroboo4418]

@@Yeentenology that would've made episode 6 less painful for him

[@Yeentenology]

Is that not *Obvious* @@heroboo4418?

[@YouthFreedomFighters]

And yet in ROTJ Vader did overthrow Palpatine, literally.

[@SolidShepard]

Getting some vegeta/frieza undertones here

[@levilewis6622]

I love the Revenge of the Sith game alternate ending and wouldn't mind seeing a what if of it.

[@3haljordan]

For all intent and purpose Sidious was Vaders daddy.

[@Arbiterrevan]

Ha. Was hoping your ending comment would be, “for over throwing the emperor...” with a picture of Vader yeeting his master.

[@sonnywoods6846]

Is there a video explaining what leia meant when she told luke her mother was always sad in episode 6?

[@lordofpain3476]

As Lord Vader grew more and more powerful , so did Lord Sidious .

[@jbronx411]

I knew he would say "For Patience"... LOL

[@heitzey420]

Can you do a video on Why Clone Trooper Echo wasnt at the battle of Umbara in the

[@JediMaster362]

What if he would have access to Sidious's holocrons?

[@kadeembilal3047]

That suit was keeping anakin alive but it also held him back the rest of his life.

[@RicoGda_boogeyman74]

Question: I'm trying to get into the Star Wars cartoon, where do I start? I have the Disney app

[@wolfman100hits]

You can watch the clone wars in order of episodes if you want but I recommend you go in chronological order, luckily everyone has made a list of the order to watch it

[@betterlatethannever4529]

Probably The Clone Wars s1. It's a little slow at first, but one's patience is rewarded when you make it past the first two seasons.

[@RicoGda_boogeyman74]

Thx fellas. Didn't know where Rebels fit in and I started that first but kinda felt I was missing some sht.

[@betterlatethannever4529]

@@RicoGda_boogeyman74 As far as chronological orders are concerned it goes Clone Wars, Rebels, Resistance(though I never found the need to take a look)

[@ryanratchford2530]

I like to think that without Padmae, he had no reason to seek more power & overthrow the Emperor. He was happy to just vibe & follow Sidious' orders. Only when he found out that Luke was his son was Vader motivated to rule the galaxy with someone he could love. We also forget (because the movies do a bad job at it) that Sidious groomed Anakin since he was 10 years old. & they are close friends. That's why I like it in tv show Obi-Wan when Palpatine calls him friend

[@ricstormwolf]

It's funny that, at the end of the video, you said "if not for me, for patience." I'm currently dealing with a situation in my life that calls for patience and I was just talking to my spirits and I and I had just asked them if I should just be patient. And then you said that. Lol. Perfect timing. Thank you.

[@Alejandrakoxxx]

grandpa knows

[@Thousandeyes85]

Can we get a video as to how Rey defeated Sidious in a couple seconds in episode 9?

[@xero1048]

Why was it that maul didn’t become weaker after his loss to obi-wan? I mean, he lost half his entire body, so his force power should have been diminished right?

[@Zoroth3Demon]

Technically but the way Maul used the force was limited. He didnt focus on force attacks he used the force to enhance his strength speed andskills during combat.

[@cptfreeman8966]

Vader suffered from a much more traumatic mental block. Jedi fallen order further proves this theory as when Cal went through his own traumatic event his connection to the force was severed and severely weakened

[@sesameseed5078]

Well the reason was his suit was a superconductor for force lighting, and after getting shot his breathing apparatus would stop . Imagine being shock by amplified electricity. This was a flaw that sidious purposefully knew so he could keep vader in check

[@GnosisZX]

In legends sidious said what kept Vader down was his lingering attachment to the light

[@mariocastillo813]

Thru out the history of the sith. Very powerful sith lords have been killed by their apprentice. Even though the master was more powerful. If Darth Vader really wanted to kill Palpatine he could of done it by killing him in his sleep or stabbing him thru the back. Many Sith lords have lost their life like that.

[@Gamerafighter76]

Vader knew the UNLIMITED POWER!!!! Sidious had meant he had to get the high ground.

[@theechosenone4471]

Finally someone talks about this

[@NecRon_1N]

It fits the story with Starkiller so well.

[@rachelprighel4409]

He really is Luke skyguy

[@CiabanItReal]

I left a like for *patients*

[@Carlos-fh8wk]

Truly one of the most tragic mythologies in modern history; the fall of Anakin Skywalker.

[@leomartin5965]

Yall forget. Vader, kept trying to re recruit his son, starting in EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. IF LUKE would have been more open minded, who knows what the outcome would have been?

[@DRAGONPOWER_YT]

Darth Vader is in the Disney Canon more powerful than the Emperor.

[@sheevpalpatine6439]

Palpatine in "Disney Canon" is "all the sith" and can kick this stupid dog by massive lightning like in the end of episode 9, and can just force drain stupid Vader like water, plus Vader can't do force drain in "Disney Canon". Palpatine would force drain him like Rey and Kylo.

[@DRAGONPOWER_YT]

@@sheevpalpatine6439 No this was the energy of the force bond from Kylo and Rey.

[@sheevpalpatine6439]

@@DRAGONPOWER_YT Palpatine is all the sith, so, fuck Vader.

[@DRAGONPOWER_YT]

@@sheevpalpatine6439 What can Palpatine do? Palpatine can temporarily paralyze fleets with power flashes and he can defeat 3 Jedi Masters at once but only thanks to his cry for power. He lost to Mace Windu (No, he didn't play with Windu) In the canon, Windu defeated Palpatine in a fair fight. This is also the case in Legends. Sidious was very fast so fast that you only see his red blade. This becomes clear in the novel Lords of the Sith. He has the ability to transfer his mind to other living things. In a fight Palpatine would not do anything because the victim must not be strong-willed. Vader, Yoda, Windu and so on. Palpatine mastered all 7 forms of lightsaber combat. He couldn't always use Ghost Transfer what we see in episode 9. Which is why he lost to Rey. Palpatine was able to influence a room that was separate from normal time. Palpatine always looked his opponent in the face to defeat him. Darth Vader is the chosen one and he was able to throw the Emperor against the wall after he got the suit. Vader could also use the Force to press Palpatine against the wall. Sidious was angry but could not resist Vader’s grip. Vader was able to influence the world of the dead, which was outside of space and time. Darth Vader was able to use his anger to stabilize planets. With his hatred he could unleash storms that damaged the planets. Vader can destroy bases and use the power in a lightsaber fight at the same time that only he is capable of. Darth Vader can fill up with power flashes as well as lightsaber blows. Darth Vader had created his own lightsaber combat still from various forms. It was so strong that it became the best lightsaber fighter in the galaxy. This also supports a canonical list where Vader ranked. 1 and Sidious is in 2nd place. Darth Vader is the dark side champion. He even surpassed Palpatine. Palpatine said in the novel Lords of the Sith that Vader didn't lose any Midichlorians. Darth Vader said and recognized that too. The chosen one unleashed his full potential. He plunged into the dark side like no other. He learned skills and he also invented them. Vader could also speak a Sith language. Vader was so powerful and so talented that it frightened Palpatine. Vader even deployed an army of commando droids. Many say he wanted Luke because he couldn't overthrow the Emperor without him, but that's not true. He wanted Luke to rule the galaxy. That would kill two birds with one stone. He kills Palpatine and has Luke as a student at the same time, so the rebellion has been weakened enormously. It is never said that Vader needs Luke to put Palpatine in his place. Vader also has a skill that makes him more powerful the angrier he gets. He has a skill that makes him more powerful when he feels the fear of his opponents and Palpatine was very afraid of Darth Vader. Palpatine wouldn't do much with his flashes of power either, because Vader can control his suit with the Force. He might even be able to use power flashes because in the world of the dead he could unleash red power flashes to kill Sidious. There is no source in the canon that affirms or denies that Vader masters power flashes. If he just didn't use it because it would damage his armor he could still use it to the full because he can control his armor with the power. Many say that Vader needed Luke to kill Palpatine. Many say that it comes out of the films but that's not true. Vader just said he wants to rule the galaxy with Luke. That would kill two birds with one stone. If Luke had become his student, Darth Vader would have killed the Emperor and he would still have Luke as a student. He would have weakened the rebellion enormously since he would have taken him from their strongest ally. He also had an army of command droids. Vader has a special ability. The angry Vader gets the more powerful he gets. Darth Vader also becomes more powerful when he feels the fear in his opponent and Palpatine was very afraid of Vader. There is no limit. For this reason alone, he is already THE most powerful user of power ever. Darth Vader is even faster than Sidious. This is in the same novel where Palpatine is described as being so fast that you can hardly see it. Vader's cry for power was the strongest ever. His scream of power was so powerful that he could melt Durasteel the 2 strongest metal in Star Wars. Sidious always had to look at his opponent to fight him. Vader was able to fight several Jedi without looking at them. Vader could only destroy entire armies with his thoughts. Vader could not ship spaceships ht just paralyze but also completely destroy. He even destroyed almost a complete star destroyer. Vader let go of all feelings except hate and pain. His armor always added pain. He fed on his pain and that made him more and more powerful. With Sith meditation, he was able to eradicate and overcome all his weaknesses from the suit, etc. This is how Darth Vader The Dark Lord the Sith became the most powerful user of power ever. You see Lord Vader is superior to Palpatine in every way.

[@DRAGONPOWER_YT]

@@sheevpalpatine6439 The rule of the two intends that each Sith of this line is more powerful than all who lived before. Each Sith of this line is a combination of all Sith that existed before.

[@JanPeverell]

Vader knew that assuming the mantle of Sith Master before he was truly ready to claim it would only prove his inferiority and be detrimental for the Sith Order as a whole. That line of thinking was extremely important during the Rule of Two era

[@generalzod7959]

Sideous had no intention of letting vader overtake him. He intended to remain in power forever.