Stellaris - Hivemind Mechanics (The One is All and the All are One)

[@mitchellkemp481]

Something to point out, when you looked at the 'default rights' those are the rights that are automatically given to other species who become part of your empire. To view view your primary species rights, click 'set rights' on your primary species. These are the rights your primary species starts off with, so in this case THEY DO have the hive mind living standard.

[@MacDigMan]

Roguelike because Paradox took the easy way out by saying Hard difficulty means AI empires cheat. they start with more and are able to get more resources faster.

[@Bread-TM]

@MacDigMan What?

[@shae98sc2]

I think that, for Hive Minds, the player could choose the first Psionic or the first Mechanical ascension perks, or at least a watered down version. That way, we can have "Tyranid" or "Borg" flavor, depending on the perk chosen. Of course, Biological ascension would be the only one Hive Minds can fully follow.

[@thunderstormhd4416]

NewSheo that's a good idea i would recommend u to post this in the update suggestions for stellaris on the pdox forum

[@ISometimesAgree]

I definitely think they should. I understand why they couldnt go synthetic due to the fact that your people are mindless, but for basic robots they should be able to since the basic robots do not think and are not sentient, which is really what hive minded pops are. They are drones of the hive mind leader.

[@Maethendias]

the only reason i didnt started playing a tyranid rp was just because of this the shadow of the warp is just too big to not have, thus its really unfortunate that i cant at least have the first point from the psionic acsencion (especially since hive minds in general should be the ones who should have the easiest time piercing the shroud, no?)

[@alexanderson3847]

YES, EXACTLY, THANK YOU.

[@finnrussell7000]

I think that should be the case for any species, really. The first perk from each chain can be taken, but going further down the chain leads to more of a reshaping of your species (in negative ways that aren't just diplomatic). Look at the Imperium from 40K. You have gene warriors (SM / Karskins), cyborgs as well as Psykers (Astropaths as an example of a leader who would benefit) all in the same species. The limitations of ascension for both hive minds and regular species seem a bit too strict in general. I hope that in future the changes your species undergo during the game are more dramatic. We've got plenty of development time to go yet, at least.

[@primaldeoxys]

Hive mind empires better be watching out for an enemy fleet commander named Ender.....

[@95dual]

loved this film man ;D

[@gavinkersey7743]

The book was better

[@vitorleite3095]

That is the name of my fleet commander when i wage a war agains't a Hive Mind xd

[@equalssign44]

Well that’s my first game sorted then..

[@thevenator3955]

The hive mind I use is the Formican Hive lol.

[@MisanthropicMarxist]

The Extremely Adaptive trait is a great one to start with, since you can colonize any planet other than tomb worlds right off the bat. And since you don't have to worry about happiness, it doesn't hurt you to go after ones that are outside your official species preference

[@Malo-os9kk]

DefinitelyNotYakra you still have the reduced growth rate though

[@MisanthropicMarxist]

True, but that's correctable. I suppose it depends on whether you want to build wide or tall

[@mojosilver82]

Thanks I was wondering how being a hive mind would effect habitability.

[@newindika849]

It's not. Extremely adaptive may appear to be a good trait but it's a waste. You can colonize a 40% habitability planet and see how your pops don't grow from -60% penalty. Conservationists, rapid breeders and enduring are better in the long run. Wait until you can modify your own pops, or terraform later with atmospheric manipulation since hive minds can't have non-hive minds pops. You don't have to worry about happiness but you lose any related bonuses you can get (and it's to easy to get 90%-100% happiness late game) so you are wasting a 20% tile output. Definitively choosing Hive Mind is shooting yourself on the foot.

[@MisanthropicMarxist]

I can't speak for your experience, but I went with Extremely Adaptive, and I've been rolling the AI up and down the galaxy, no problem

[@ryanmooreedits]

The Borg are a Hive Mind, and they are bio-mechanical. and my favorite hive mind.

[@RJ-oq1um]

exactly... i named my hive mind the borg.. very unimaginative, but i love their fantasy

[@vysearcadia522]

Borg is a collective. A hive mind is more like a the Queen from Indepence Day: Resurgence.

[@James-ep2bx]

Breakfast Productions hive mind can have the trait natural neural NETWORK which I would think indicates collective hive minds are included

[@douglasoak7964]

Paradox is always making dumb game design decisions like this. Luckily it is often easy to fix.

[@saqwana25]

the Geth are a sort of hive mind as well.

[@1redrider100]

For those who haven't heard Wiz's justification for the Biological Horde only version of Hive Minds, he has stated in the launch stream that he wanted to make them a masterful and singular expression of the biological hive mind. He didn't want them to be a little bit of Borg and a little bit of Zerg and a little bit of etc. He didn't want a jack of all trades, master of none. He wanted the Hive Mind to be a purely focused expression of a biological Hive. He has stated he will eventually incorporate Borg-like Hives as their own, separate, and unique system, but the one we have right now is intended to function as an insect-like Hive, not as the Borg or such.

[@oliverwirth42]

I'd say psionics makes more sense than robotics. every drone might as well already be a robot, that's just arbitrary. but we all know the zoanthropes right?

[@DCdabest]

Both the 40k ones and the Book of the New Sun, ones. :D

[@tomsandstrom338]

7:40 "The use of harmony tradition tree are extremely useful" 8:26 "Harmony is effectively useless" You what m8?

[@warmasterdorn]

The Ice Viper I think he misspoke, and intended to say supremacy and domination. I think...

[@Perhelion1]

He said for vassalize and "becomes useless", but yes I also stumbled across this.

[@cadeypie]

Personally think that psionics should be an option for the Hive-Mind, since even though everyone thinks as one there still could be psionic potential involved. I mean it would just be more focused now wouldnt it? :D

[@blitcut9712]

It's explained in the dev diary that despite being psionic by nature their connection to the Shroud is radically different from that of regular psychic making them unable to follow the psionic path.

[@DCdabest]

So in other words Paradox is saying: "We didn't have time to come up with proper mechnics and traditions for the Hive Mind but we put them in the DLC anyway because YOLO."

[@NateThe_Great24]

a) The "Worm" Quest-Line should turn your empire into a Hivemind, and have no biological/governmental (sans Tomb World preference) effect on your empire. b) They should allow Hiveminds to follow ALL ascension paths. c) A game as a Tomb World prefering Hivemind in a covenant with "The End" would be ABSOLUTELY AMAZING for fanatical cleansers. d) Help me, Steam Workshop, you're my only hope.

[@DutchGabbers]

Which species would possibly "prefer" a Tomb World? I belief in the game a Tomb world is destroyed by nuclear war? Except if your some cockroach species I doubt any species likes that much of radioactivity.. But again, if your a cockroach species you could probably live anywhere in the game lore without to much trouble.. Except Artics perhaps A species might adapt itself to its radioactive surroundings but actually preferring it over anything else?

[@DCdabest]

Preference doesn't have much to do with "choice" in this case. It could simply be that the species have become so used to that environment that they find living elsewhere genuinly uncomfortable and difficult to acclimatise to.

[@douglasoak7964]

Why wouldn't you play hive mind cyborgs? Borg fetish anyone?

[@flyingdutchman9053]

Todd the Wraith cause you cant

[@vysearcadia522]

too much of the civics and traits point toward single entity rather than collective like the borg is meant to be. The borg is basically assimilated species of others rather than the extension of themselves. And various other encounters in game will point more to this.

[@happylatino]

Borg, i want to play as Borg!

[@GearyDigit]

Hive Mind is a single entity that controls meat puppets. Borg are all individuals who are in constant mental communication with one another to create a consensus.

[@scl9671]

Douglas Oak We are the Borg.

[@nanomachinesson2513]

I can understand being restricted to being a biologically oriented species of you start start with hive mind, as its hope you evolved. But maybe if your a normal species you should get the option to become a hive mind once you unlock cyborg or psionic tech.

[@SomeName_AlsoHandlesSucc]

Owo yees

[@galyabalakhnov4683]

Always felt that Hive minds should be able to use psionics since tyranids from Warhammer 40k.

[@dovahkiin456]

Hive mind without biological ships like 'The Zerg" or "Tyranids" is not as immersive :/

[@AtruePawn]

i cant get a god damn answer does the game have bio ships?

[@ranksheepcow]

No

[@floralvera7281]

I mean, there are mods that allow you to use Prethoryn Scourge ships, so i guess that can help with immersion a bit.

[@icemanjr.5819]

WailGard Theres a perfect skin for hive mind too that looks like a certain race is being controlled by a parasite

[@theultimategodofgaming3200]

There's a mod called Project Ark that adds biomass ships, hasn't been updated for a while but still somehow works for the latest version

[@ravynknight7146]

even though happiness isn't an issue with hive mind the paradise dome still offers unity for the tile that they are built on so they are still a useful thing to have..

[@NoOnesBCE]

Ravyn Knight but for every other empire Paradise Domes are increddibly powerfull.

[@tomsimpkins1211]

Hive mind with three fanatical purifiers for my vassals... every war I'd cede a planet to each of us, just to watch half an empire be purged in our angsty flames.

[@xiloscient3335]

Now i realize how old utopia is. There werent even devouring swarms and they still had starting weapons and flt travels

[@Nyrufa]

"Resistance is futile, you will be consumed." "Don't you mean subsumed?" "... No...."

[@Doomeiner]

I think Hive Mind should be able to follow all the ascension paths. They all make sense. Computers with an interconnected neural network or master mind with psionic powers controlling a whole species. I just realized of something, which is a disadvantage that Hive Mind could have in the psionic path that would make sense: that none of the population, leaders or whatever have the psychic advantages (research speed, evasion, etc.) because no single mind could surpass the master mind so yeah, I think the Shroud thing, the psionic army (they would theoretically be beings whose bodies were molded so that they could support the psychic powers the mastermind would use through them) and all that. This whole thing makes me feel very nerdy.

[@meinnase]

Both psyonic and cyborg would make sense with hivemind, i think it was more of a balance decision than a lore one.

[@darkner2390]

Why have I never noticed that the moon in the background actually orbits the planet?

[@TheTrueBagman]

Having the Extremely Adaptive perk negates the need for another species, you could settle any where from the start, and when you conquer an empire you just need to resettle 1 pop to each planet and you won't loose the planet.

[@starcrafsf7101]

Can't go cyborg with hive mind you disagree with? One word Borg

[@ДимитърКръстев-е8я]

Resistance is futile.

[@davevd9944]

We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile. God i loved hearing that so much.

[@PerfectAlibi1]

Borg are machine intelligence. not hivemind

[@tauempire1793]

@@PerfectAlibi1 Well a machine intelligence that has one mind and consciousness.... yeah well that sounds like a hive mind to me mate

[@PerfectAlibi1]

@@tauempire1793 One mind and conciousness is what both Machine intelligences AND hiveminds are! One mind with many drones... XD The Borg act identically as Driven Assimilators do in Stellaris.

[@jaydenmachtans8035]

my hivemind is named "The Grand United Mind of the Most Grandious Roundious Bois that are of the Prime title" they are beetle bois

[@matthewmcneany]

The mistake I made when I played as a hive mind first time out was to not pick all the -ve happiness traits: solitary, deviant and repugnant gets you essentially free trait points for highly adaptive or industrious/intelligent combo.

[@AGuyWithAChannel]

I really think Hive Minds should get their own/no traditions. Considering the mechanic is representative of your species growing together - through "unity" they are accepting a "tradition" - it really makes no sense for a Hive Mind to be capable/not already have these tradition trees. Or perhaps have, at the start, your Hive Mind choose one tradition tree - this could mean you are locked into just advancing that one, or you instantly unlock all of them but get no others. Something, I don't know - just... not the exact same as non-Hive minds.

[@Type000]

hivemind still need influence and edict. duh hivemind.

[@masonburge7544]

Honestly psionic hive minders would be cool.

[@Dakarn]

A point that is useful to point out. Once you take a world as a Hive Mind, be sure to force resettlement of at least one pop to the captured planets, or you will lose the planets and be forced to recolonize them after all the "food" is gone.

[@TheBl4ckSh33p]

Do you need all ascension perks to make other species hive mind? I can't find it on 1.7 (console) 🤔

[@MulderStarling]

"They're biological"? So is every other species at the start of the game.

[@1RYTY1]

Yeah I kind of got confused by that too I feel like hive minds had too much restrictions when they came out to the point where they were underpowered

[@equalssign44]

Well, Hive Worlds are completely broken...

[@dylanlaw3081]

Is it just me or are fanatic purifiers almost impossible to play with advanced neighbors

[@dylanlaw3081]

Or am I just bad

[@InquisitorThomas]

dylan law you just need to bide your time and invest in making your fleets more powerful

[@arandomperson3952]

They are very difficult to play. I have had many failed attempts at starting up my empire.

[@roderickvannoorloos1967]

They are very hard to do, but I succeeded in 1.4 after 5 tries. Basically what worked was simply not purging in the beginning. Instead make friends with your neighbours, defensive pacts, even get into an alliance, and use that alliance to become the dominant power in your corner of the galaxy. Only after achieving this can you throw of the mask and start purging, turn on your former alliance members etc.

[@physicalremoval3864]

Roderick van Noorloos Fanatic purifiers can't make friends. At all.

[@FunkyMonkeyI]

Well time to establish the Reapers from Mass Effect.

[@nickkepley9294]

Very adaptive with hive mind means that you can colonize any planet (except tomb worlds). You need at least 40% habitability to colonize and the colonizable planets outside of your climate have a base 20%. The extra 20% from very adaptive means you can colonize these planets as well, effectively tripling the possible planets you can colonize.

[@alexmetcalf6824]

they can be cyborg now,

[@fakedthunder]

i would love if you continued the streams with the hive mind

[@fireassassin6304]

I glad you made a video on this keep up the good work

[@someonebackslashevry]

I just want a mod that makes it so that you can make a hive mind like The Swarm from StarCraft

[@elishapommert]

So basically an option for driven asimulators hive minds

[@meatballman8285]

I wonder what would happen if there was an event where you could breach the hivemind of the Prethoryn scourge and take control of them or decipher their language or something of that nature

[@GamingMasterAnthony]

I agree with you on the synthetic route on hive minds but they should be able to go down the psionoc route if you get the zroni precursor chain

[@sogd_1]

I think this video should be updated

[@tillweimar]

#ASpec I am pretty sure you missed one "Mini-Guardian", that was introduced with the Leviathans Expansion. It is spawning within a system without habitable planets, but with a ring of mineralrich asteroids. When you first encounter that system, an event pops up, that tells you about destroyed mining-staitions near the asteroids. after surveying the system, you will be granted with (in my case) a total of 38 units of minerals on 5 asteroids in 10,8,8,6,6 stacks. however, when you build miningstaitions on those asteroids, an event will pop up, in which 5 of the other asteroids will become active and send out incredible amounts of bombers. Each of those asteroids has the fleetpower of 2,1k, and they will concentrate on the asteroids, so a frontier outpost will not be attacked. after the second event pops up, you can go to your curator, and inform yourself about these lifeforms, and you are also able to buy a damage amplifier which deals 25% additional damage to them.

[@tillweimar]

I try to add the name of the system and the species if I can find them again

[@A_Spec]

+RoaringSheep Tv crystal asteroids, they've been on the production pile for a while now.

[@tillweimar]

Oh, sorry then, nevermind. Keep up the good work! xp

[@tillweimar]

Do you know, wether a frontier outpost in the system will always stay alive? I've seen the system 3 times so far, and I always built a frontier outpost before teiggering the event which never got attacked

[@bumkis4424]

ASpec, please continue the Hivemind livestreams, I really enjoyed the last ones, and I am curious to see how the galaxy develops.

[@thealbinodino637]

i got a question how would uplifting and pre space flight pop work if their inside a hive mind boarders?

[@DCdabest]

If you uplift them you must give them the Hive Mind trait; in other words incorporatering them into the swarm as drones. And if you annex/intergrate an already sapient race of creatures they would just get purged upon introduction to your society. Unless you do the "Native Elightenment route in which case they just spawn their empire inside your borders like normal

[@James-ep2bx]

I think maybe hive mind should be aloud to go for the other paths, but have extra requirements Like maybe have neural network unlock the mechanical path as it could represent a collective hive mind as opposed to a singular as for psionic I'm sure there's probably something

[@novelaforme]

Did some work on the Hive mind stuff... accidentaly created The Ceph from Crysis games...

[@codussigma]

They added at least one additional civic, devouring swarm i think? so i dont think they consume pops automatically any more

[@ausarthevile7151]

Can't seem to be able to play on hard or above. I do decently well on normal but I always just get rushed down on harder difficulties.

[@TransientLunatic]

I think all the ascension paths could be viable for the Hive Mind, though maybe in a limited capacity. Biological is obvious Psionic also seems like it could easily work. Having one mind in constant telepathic control of the whole species is something many (I might even say most) hive minded species in fiction display by default Cyborg as well would work; digitally uplinking and mechanically augmenting the drones could preserve the interconnected hive mind. Full mechanical is more difficult to justify, but it could still be done with FTL communications. The one mind of the species could be partially uploaded over several years until it became a mechanical intelligence

[@TheCol111]

Im pretty sure that the living standards for your starting species is defaulted to Hive Mind, you just need to check the species rights specific tab.

[@muresandani]

I feel like hive minds could easily change to robotics. At the end of the day a hive mind is only concerned with its consciousness being in the shell, the shell is irrelevant. Would absolutely make sense to do so.

[@TheTrueBagman]

As a hive mind I accidentally forgot to make farms, and I already had most f my tiles upgrades for research, minerals, or energy. So I had to take planets every few years and eat the population.

[@ssShockRyder]

there is an ability to set the other species to move out vs being eaten

[@varlja6682]

This and Starcraft 2 is all the games a man will ever need =)

[@madcat247]

Have they updated/changed Private Colony Ships for Hive Minds?

[@LoydAvenheart]

"Little more better."

[@RabbaDooDabba]

I am gonna buy this game so hard!

[@Natdaprat]

What's up with the censoring at about 7:30?

[@Vevvev8]

Waiting for a moder to take the Prethoryn leader portrait and name it The Overmind and make the Zerg Swarm.

[@xyraeth5197]

thanks so much for making this vid very helpful :D

[@ThePizzaGoblin]

is there an updated version for the changed unity perks?

[@leovinous01]

Yea, I learned the Vassal trick, I am doing it with my synth play through. keep them as vassals, integrate and them then kick them off their planet.

[@glacial3788]

I was falling short in my play through and wanted some tips I’m surprised to see you pick the same species for the hive mind XD

[@m.d.9277]

they should have cyborgs and psionics it just makes sense mechanizing what to them is like a limb and pooling together the species brain power to harness the warp

[@dzejrid]

Can you do an update on Gestalt Consciousness builds and strategy for the 2.1+?

[@timothyclark5532]

The Geth are a synthetic hive mind race. I see no reason why hive minds cannot also be mechanical, in fact it would make sense based on how computers share information through a collective network

[@eudescardozo3395]

Their insults are the best:we wan you to know that (leader) could be integreated to our collective but it requires an funtional brain to do so

[@StickmansWrath]

WE ARE ONE. WE ARE MANY.

[@christiandauz3742]

Why are you Hive Minds DUMB as FUCK? Does your collective consciousness suck up all the stupidity in the Universe?

[@StickmansWrath]

WE CANNOT SUCK UP ALL THE STUPIDITY. AFTER ALL, YOU HAVE ALREADY GRABBED IT.

[@spooknukem575]

I would enjoy a machine hive mind

[@TheCompanyVideoLog]

Thanks for the work. :D

[@Master_Arthius]

No Flood? :(

[@TheAstrobiologistOW]

I’m gonna be a monument to everyone’s sins

[@joashex]

They should alter some of the trees for hive minds like prosperity or harmony

[@eliasbouhout1]

Are you sure you can't use AI with hiveminds (3:08)?Because in one of my games I got sentient AI,haven't yet tryed using the tech on any ship but still I have the Ai research.

[@danketic1]

I feel like you should be able to do Psionic Hive Mind.

[@dlcshadowheartlordofdomina7504]

Sarah Kerrigan, the Queen of Blades, agrees with you. Supposedly it has to do with how Psionics are connected to the Shroud and that the way hive minds in game do it makes it to where they can't connect to the Shroud in the same way Psionics do, but realistically that's bs and Psionic Hive Minds should be a thing. I'm guessing the real reason is that a Psionic Hive Mind would be op, especially if you have an interest in cybernetic enhancement and genetic modification, then you'ld be beast.

[@DaniPaunov]

Just an FYI: hive minds now are VERY different

[@rasmus7748]

also hive-minded pops can flee as they get purged by other empires and you can then accept them into your empire without having to kill them or anything... there are definetly some bugs need fixing

[@masterost1994]

how is that a bug?

[@rasmus7748]

it says, in the game, that hive-minded pops can't survive outside their hive-minded empire. and i wasn't a hive-minded empire

[@masterost1994]

"Can't survive outside of hive-minded empires" translates to always being purged, and 1 of the purge options is to force them to migrate away.

[@rasmus7748]

i had no purging policy so they just spread through my planets

[@masterost1994]

Oh I misunderstood your first comment, I thought you played as a hive-mind yourself and hive-mind pops fled to you. my bad.

[@truemisto]

you ever play sword of the stars mate? you might like it. ive only played the first one and i heard the second one was a bit rough around the edges. it doesnt seem as in-depth to species customization and society management as stellaris is, though, or at least its society management was much rougher and clumsier.

[@A_Spec]

+truemisto I've played both in various stages of development. They were okay but haven't aged well.

[@Ogrelin]

+ASpec I am playing a hive mind right now and I have 2 Gene point for a race i just conqured, but the hive mind skill isn't available as a trait for them :( Is there something I need to research to be able to bring them into the hive?

[@joshuacroze9928]

I dont have an issue with Mechanical hive minds, Ultron?

[@baphnedia]

So quick question, in Stellaris 1.6.2 after completing the biological ascension tree I can't seem to add 'hive mind' to captured populations (hooray wars!). I can change the edict of how they are purged (dislocation or consumption), but when playing with their genes, 'hive mind' never turns up. Checking the changes for 1.6.1 and 1.6.2 I couldn't find anything saying that you could no longer use species modification to integrate other populations into your species.

[@ReadySetRudy]

It seems strange to me that hiveminds can't use robots or keep other species in their empire. Why not? The hive mind could make robots to do stuff, or communicate with leaders of other races to get them to work for the hive mind.

[@Azura.3297]

Well one Civic that is clearly NOT in this video is a Devouring Swarm Civic...

[@Seldion]

I still say Synthetic Hives can be a thing and would be awesome to have, just because its a hive mind doesn't mean you can't augment them with cybernetic tech, if it wasn't possible then why do they not use organic ships and forgo all technology all together and so forth.

[@Hession0Drasha]

Can a hivemind take control of pops from another hivemind?

[@Cultureghost]

ASpec you should do a Hivemind campaign. And I don't mean the Borg one.

[@arcm4210]

i think cyborgs should be possible a network of computers is already kinda like a hivemind

[@nicksonnek7641]

There is no Void there is only us

[@arshiamaleki3999]

wow I just realized this was on my bday

[@thechaoslord8547]

What happens when you liberate a planet as a hivemind?

[@A_Spec]

+The Chaos Lord the pops die

[@Drachnon]

Why doesn't this hive mind work like the one in my game? I didn't see the +5% research in my game instead +1 research option. The purging mechanic was tied to a civic called devouring swarm. Did they immediately patch things?

[@seanlowrance2325]

On console the ethics aren’t in a wheel like on pc, does anybody know where gestalt consiosness is?

[@rubyalexey8692]

I don't get it, why private colony ship specially Break Hive mind? From what you told about it, it "breaks" any other expansionist race in the same way.

[@fanjerry8100]

No Borg :(

[@InternetMameluq]

TO SERVE MAN

[@damiencosta6471]

Think about Advanced artificial intelligence. All the robotic worker and people are connected to it all being one cohesive robotic being

[@grimmann1060]

Can you infect pops that you capture after taking planets etc?

[@A_Spec]

Only if you have maxed out biological ascension.

[@grimmann1060]

ASpec thanks

[@bobmarine7392]

The VOID hunger

[@championastartes]

join us join us join us

[@swardinc]

odd there is science fiction based hive psionic and cyborg good thing they changed that

[@EchoObserver9]

not everyone hates hive minds rick fucking loves them literally ..