🛑STOP🛑 Making These SSD Mistakes! Best SSD for Gaming 2021

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@aarambhanand9841
@aarambhanand9841 3 жыл бұрын
I just wanna let you know that I love your videos. Unlike a of lot others, you provide great info and let the viewers choose the product that's relevant for them. Plus the times stamps are a godsend. Cant even begin to imagine the time and effort to make one video. Thank you for what you do.
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@LightMCXx
@LightMCXx 2 жыл бұрын
@@PCBuilderChannel what ssd i should buy Nvme with dram
@mrsxber1916
@mrsxber1916 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly I freaking LOVE those timestamps. Been trying to buy an ssd lately and wanted to know a bit more about DRAM and SLC caches. So I came back to this gem and there the timestamp was. Superb Job PC Builder
@henrikpflanz6177
@henrikpflanz6177 2 жыл бұрын
@@LightMCXx best budget gen 3: silicon power a60, best midrange gen 3: adata xpg sx8200 pro, best high end gen 3: western digital black sn750, best budget gen 4: t force cardera z440, best high end gen 4: seagate firecuda 530
@LightMCXx
@LightMCXx 2 жыл бұрын
@@henrikpflanz6177 i brought 980 non pro Thx anyway
@rickylozada7994
@rickylozada7994 3 жыл бұрын
I'm relatively new to PC. Been on PC since July 2021 when my Xbox one finally died. It's overwhelming to say the least, the terminology, the new hardware, the troubleshooting etc. But I think I'm going to visit this channel a lot, solely based on this video. The information was great and it's easy to process. Coming from someone who avoided playing on PC and now I refuse to go back to Xbox.
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Welcome to PC building and so glad we can help! Thank you for the feedback, we appreciate it.
@matthewIhorn
@matthewIhorn 3 жыл бұрын
"must move hands, must move hands." There's as much hand movement as a Eminem rap video.
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe I’ll branch into music videos next (;
@samueljones8244
@samueljones8244 3 жыл бұрын
Yep...thats... hypnotizing...Pc Builder...are You doing some Magick tricks on us?...😏 Greeatings from Poland.
@lighthunter1980
@lighthunter1980 3 жыл бұрын
Takes the punch like a champ 💪😂
@bboycrosel
@bboycrosel 3 жыл бұрын
LOL
@Bendigo1
@Bendigo1 3 жыл бұрын
My dad literally can not talk if his hands can't move... it is hilarious.
@RedJRyan
@RedJRyan 2 жыл бұрын
This is an excellent guide, but I'd like to point out 2 things that could be added. 1 - A DRAM cache can help SSDs feel snappier, but they can also hide a very slow write speed behind the cache. For example, the Samsung QVO drives drop to about 150MBps though I've seen it go slower still. It's important to avoid these if you're using the SSD as boot drive, for example to upgrade for an older computer or laptop. I tested this myself, and seen quite a few reports of people having "slow" computers with these drives. What (probably) happens is that the virtual memory and temp files from windows eat up a lot of the cache, leaving only slow speeds for actual usage. These are excellent drives for a gaming drive, or an auxiliary drive that doesn't need great sustained write speeds. 2. The PCIe extender to host an M.2 drive may work, but very few old motherboards support booting from these drives. If you're buying these, hoping to make the system snappier, it may end up being a big disappointment.
@jc.1191
@jc.1191 2 жыл бұрын
I'd add that direct streaming means faster nvme, even pcie4, means faster is better for graphical performance. That's that next gen gaming feature that streams directly from disk to the video card for fastest asset loading. Bypasses the CPU/ram.
@Danielxt34
@Danielxt34 2 жыл бұрын
Dude thanks so much man. I want to buy a 512gb SSD for boot drive and a 1tb Nvm for gaming. What do you recommend for budget mid tier?
@RedJRyan
@RedJRyan 2 жыл бұрын
@@Danielxt34 if your system supports it, I would recommend using NVMe for a boot drive, and an affordable SSD for gaming. Luckily, NVMe drives dropped in price, so there are many NVMe with 3gbps speeds that are almost the same price as SATA SSDs. The Samsung evo plus has become quite affordable. There may be slightly better picks but these have often been my go to drives: * if you need a SATA ssd that performs well, the crucial.MX500 offers great value. Samsung EVO sata drives are better but tend to be a lot more expensive. These are good main drive replacements IF you can't get NVMe. * for gaming drives (most games), any cheap SSD with 500MBps read speeds is good enough. Even the cheaper Samsung QVO drives are good. Don't expect good write performance but games don't need much of that. Only very few games benefit from NVMe drives. * For NVMe, it depends on the budget and time. Any drive that reaches 2000MBps is decent, but sometimes a top drive only costs a few bucks more. The Samsung Evo is a solid choice but there are occasional competitors with a better price or a tad more performance. You can go for the Samsung 980 Pro but it tends to be expensive and more powerful than what most people need. So for example, for a very budget focused build you could do: * 500 gb NVMe, like Corsair MP510, Samsung980 (not pro), Kingston KC2500. * 2tb cheap SSD. Just search for a cheap one with good read speeds and a brand that you trust. The MX500 is only 165 here, but Kingston offers an NVMe for slightly less and would be a better pick ifyou have the slot. If you can take it higher, go for a 1TB main drive NVMe. Then upgrade the 2nd drive for what the budget allows.
@Danielxt34
@Danielxt34 2 жыл бұрын
@@RedJRyan I was thinking about this build: -Samsung 980 (not pro) 500gb for boot drive -TEAMGROUP T-Force Cardea Zero Z330 1 TB for Gaming / OR TEAMGROUP T-Force VULCAN 1TB Should a look for other options on the gaming drive? Mother board would be the Gigabyte Aorus B550 Pro (Maybe v2 version)
@RedJRyan
@RedJRyan 2 жыл бұрын
@@Danielxt34 There's nothing wrong with those choices on paper. Your motherboard could, in theory, push that main drive even further but you will experience very little difference. Just stay on the lookout for deals for SSDs with equal or better performance/price.
@curvingfyre6810
@curvingfyre6810 2 жыл бұрын
to be clear, in some very rare cases, where games use live loading, and your ram is just about bare minimum, drive speed can matter for in-game performance to reduce the severity and regularity of hitches. That being said, it would most likely be better to upgrade the ram if you can't upgrade both.
@friedec3622
@friedec3622 2 жыл бұрын
and.. autosaves
@Wek-9
@Wek-9 3 жыл бұрын
This channel is a gem honestly, so informative yet easy to follow and understand. Thank you!
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
We love to hear it! Thank you for watching.
@ArianBVRZ
@ArianBVRZ 3 жыл бұрын
@@PCBuilderChannel you are pure gold! I LOVE THIS CHANNEL AND ALL THE AMAZING INFO!
@JoaoCarvalho-ip5yq
@JoaoCarvalho-ip5yq 3 жыл бұрын
@@PCBuilderChannel this is exactly the type of video I would recomend if someone would ask me the same question! You give a PERSONAL recomendation and that is exactly how this video feels. It has been a while since I had a feeling like this watching a youtube video. No information was left on the table so congratiolations for the attention to detail. In these days whatever is said on a video will be scrutinized by the comment section and the way you handle this is amazing! Starting a pc building channel when some BIG names are already around demands a lot of courage but you have something here with a lot of potential! Saying underrated makes no justice, there pc/tech recommendations channels with way more views and subs but you bring 10 times the quality! Big fan of your work! Keep it up! PS: this might be my second or third time writing a comment in all of these years of youtube.
@jussit3909
@jussit3909 3 жыл бұрын
I love this channel aswell. It's more down-to-earth than most other similiar channels. Many other channels focus in witty jokes and funny presentation. I like the fact that Jason doesn't really seem to dislike any brand just for the sake of it. Some other people might never say anything good about some (for example) MSI GPU just because they dislike MSI, even if that particular GPU is excellent.
@magoolew5131
@magoolew5131 2 жыл бұрын
Easy for you to say about easy to follow. I haven' built a computer in at least 10 years, maybe longer, and I really just about have no clue what he's talking about..
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
**NOTE: I'm aware of the WD SN550 change. It is still absolutely fine for gaming or boot drives as it has a 12gb SLC cache. If you are the 5% of users who might notice it, get one of the faster PCIE 3.0 or 4.0 Drives instead. ** Are you building or upgrading a PC? If so, what games are you playing, and what SSD are you getting?
@ziz3l
@ziz3l 3 жыл бұрын
I am getting a Samsung 980 and I am going to play some splitgate Minecraft warzone csgo and some other games
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Good list!
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Another good one for pro-sumer level performance.
@ryanhillary9198
@ryanhillary9198 3 жыл бұрын
I'm on my way to the city right now to get a ssd and a GPU. Finally found 1 at MSRP. Perfect timing Jason greatly appreciated as always
@shotgunshawzy
@shotgunshawzy 3 жыл бұрын
I have the WD_BLACK SN850 500GB NVMe Gen4 for my new system, will be purchasing Ryzen 5 5600x soon to pair with it.
@ax-50
@ax-50 3 жыл бұрын
Moving from HDD to SSD was the best thing ever! Especially when you played heavily modded Skyrim and Fallout 4 (like... very heavy, hundreds of big mods)
@Blue-jn1ph
@Blue-jn1ph 3 жыл бұрын
When you first move from HDD to SSD the speed are incredible
@Dazzxp
@Dazzxp 3 жыл бұрын
Fallout 4 is pretty consiant with the speed of the drives, SSD about 7 seconds between locations to load, Samsung 970 Pro 5 seconds, and 980 Pro is 3 seconds. All these loading times mount up. Also had to use a mod to remove the loading screen fps limit cause even with vsync disabled loading times was about 2 minuites which over the course of a game can be many hours wasted. I jumped on the SSD Bandwagon as soon as they came out to buy and have NEVER looked back and that was coming from RAID 0 WD Raptor X 150GB 15,000rpm) which became my main drives and the 32GB SSD was the boot drive with Windows.
@user-zu1ix3yq2w
@user-zu1ix3yq2w 3 жыл бұрын
I wish I knew if there was any point going from an NVMe rated at 1700Mbps to one rated at 5000Mbps. (There are more important factors than those sequential read/write speeds, but just assuming the NVMe drive might be better in other ways, too.)
@Dazzxp
@Dazzxp 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-zu1ix3yq2w Most games won't benefit from it to be honest, although Battletech the game also benefits from it too with mods like rougetech or Battech Advanced 3062. Without mods there's no real difference. HDD is 10+ minutes long (just to load the game!!!) Samsung 970 is around 90 seconds and the 980 is around 50 seconds This was on my laptop Ryzen 4800H 16GB 3200MT 6GB RTX 2060 256GB Boot SSD and 1TB 7200rpm I installed it on the HHD cause the game is like 30GB + mod 25GB Unpacked + 32GB Page file. When I got my 980 Pro late last year that gone into my main computer and the 970 Gone into my Laptop
@user-zu1ix3yq2w
@user-zu1ix3yq2w 3 жыл бұрын
@@Dazzxp This is why I'm just patiently waiting to see if SSDs or NVMes will fall to cheap prices instead of getting the pricier more performant ones. 2TB on a single drive would be sufficient for me. Programs/games don't really use the higher performance of the newer drives. I was hoping the PS5 would change that.
@Waldherz
@Waldherz Жыл бұрын
With the introduction of direct storage, the SSD vs performance landscape changed a bit. Now a very fast SSD can provide a slight boost in FPS.
@Dysue
@Dysue Жыл бұрын
Didn't boost your FPS enough to find this video until 647 days after it was uploaded. Big profit :D
@ZeBuuuL0n
@ZeBuuuL0n Жыл бұрын
As a neophyte, understanding & remembering all those names and specifications can be a challenge, especially when English isn't your first language, but you've explained it all so clearly and simply I feel like just GOT it. A wonderfully informative video, thank you so much for putting in the time and effort!!
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the feedback, it means a lot to us! Hope you keep enjoying the content.
@andrianhiew7180
@andrianhiew7180 3 жыл бұрын
I've only started working in February this year right after my final paper of my Bachelor's degree (partly forced by the lack of jobs my parents have), building a dream PC has been my driving force to earn more rather than just having the mindset of "Staying Alive". That said, I've found your videos specifically to be the most helpful and intuitive when doing parts research for budgeting. Thank you for what you do, no matter the content, timestamps, or overall video pacing (not too draggy, but not too quick). Appreciation from Malaysia, Jason. Hope you'll stay safe!
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your kind words! Sending you all the best wishes
@uolamer
@uolamer 3 жыл бұрын
Eliminating the HD seek time by going to a SSD is the most notable impact for day to day use cases. NVME if have the option.
@oktc68
@oktc68 3 жыл бұрын
I use both SATA SSD & M.2, I think having your OS and primary programs on the M.2 makes for an extremely fast and responsive system, but there's not that much difference between them ( unless of course one is writing multi GB files on a regular basis) if you're used to HDD times both will feel lightning fast.
@t-dontcap1896
@t-dontcap1896 3 жыл бұрын
Will this help losing textures in any game I’m playing sometimes playing online map takes forever to load
@45eno
@45eno 3 жыл бұрын
@@t-dontcap1896 A good quality sata SSD will perform almost equally to a faster M2 NVME drive at this moment in time when it comes to game loading. The game loading software is not in place to take full advantage of the speeds coming from a NVMe drive. But with prices sometimes very close it makes sense to buy NVMe drives because at some point the software and developers will take more advantage of modern storage drives. I own 6 nvme drives and they load games just like the systems I have with sata SSD. The only time you really get to dig into the speed increase is transferring files between two modern drives. The jump from HDD to sata SSD is huge, the jump from sata SSD to NVMe Gen3 or 4 for game loading is next to no noticeable difference. But if prices are similar just buy the NVMe. If your system doesn't support it buy a $10 adapter card which likely won't run at full speed but at least down the road you can drop the drive into a modern board and run full speed then compared to a sata ssd that won't be any faster in a modern system.
@bittripper3530
@bittripper3530 3 жыл бұрын
Good video I liked the reference to Linus where he demonstrated that you'd not notice the difference in game loading times. This is because the system has to process data as it loads into the game, doesn't load the files in a massive sequential chunk.
@Summits_
@Summits_ 3 жыл бұрын
Stu ww
@Just_Call_Me_Tim
@Just_Call_Me_Tim 2 жыл бұрын
@@Summits_ Apparently Google translated your "Stu ww" as "one hundred above"!
@Eradicator-jv9xr
@Eradicator-jv9xr 2 жыл бұрын
@@Just_Call_Me_Tim lmao same
@jasonkerbs806
@jasonkerbs806 3 жыл бұрын
I built my first PC this July. I ended up settling on the WD Black SN750 1tb. It's my first and only computer so I can't make any comparisons to other brands, but I do know that it has worked flawlessly so far and it's very fast at loading/downloading compared to any other electronic device I do own.
@vatsalmodi7135
@vatsalmodi7135 3 жыл бұрын
You somewhat right. The Kingston A2000 was priced very competitively in India, but as it has gained a lot of popularity among pc enthusiasts, retailers have increased its pricing. PC builders go to WD blue sn550 or Corsair P1 here in India thesedays.
@Ghengiskhansmum
@Ghengiskhansmum 2 жыл бұрын
Prices for both gen 3 and 4 have recently rocketed in the UK too... probably down to our idiotic government crashing the £ and now getting poor dollar rates. Amazon UK has seen up to £80 extra for 2tb in a week and then saying it's got a 40 percent reduction, I wouldn't have known if I didn't have 4 different ones in my basket. Mind you it's Amazon prime day tomorrow so likely down to them giving false discounts on the day.
@fucksusan.fuckcensorship.874
@fucksusan.fuckcensorship.874 Жыл бұрын
@@Ghengiskhansmum for me its the opposite kingston is always more affordable than WD. for example WD and kingston both have a 7000mbs read/write speed nmve drive. But the WD one is literally 100$ more than the kingston one. I bought a kingston 2TB kc3000 for 240 when the WD SN850 was 350
@rice214
@rice214 Жыл бұрын
@@Ghengiskhansmum Same but with monitors. The dell s2722dgm was 200 but now its like 360
@DesuVR
@DesuVR 3 жыл бұрын
One little detail that would've made this video perfect: M.2 SATA SSDs have a different key/connector than NVMe ones and for some reason, nearly every tech channel I know fails to point this out. The first time I bought an M.2 drive, I was unaware of this and picked up a SATA-based one instead of NVMe. I thought all 'M.2' drives were the same at the time.
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
I know what a bummer that is! I do talk about Sata drives coming as M.2 in the video and tried to make that clear (:
@MrOgger151
@MrOgger151 2 жыл бұрын
M-key B-key Some NVME slots have both.
@plastifiedmetal5682
@plastifiedmetal5682 2 жыл бұрын
2:34 it was pointed out wasnt it?
@DesuVR
@DesuVR 2 жыл бұрын
@@plastifiedmetal5682 Pointed out with a picture is what I meant, should've made that a bit clearer in my comment.
@MrOgger151
@MrOgger151 2 жыл бұрын
@@DesuVR It can get confusing. Because of the whole b key m key b + m key and PCIe-based with NVMe support, or PCIe-based without NVMe support or SATA. You just have to read the specs really good. Some PCIe=NVMe-M.2 will also do SATA. I don't know how accurate this is "If you look at your M2 interface on your Motherboard and you see a single notch ONLY for the M Key, then it will support both NVME and SATA M2 drives. Otherwise,If you see a notch for BOTH the M + B Key then it a SATA SSD storage Only slot". Best just read specs and manual really good.
@curtismariani6303
@curtismariani6303 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. This covers everything someone would need to know when buying storage, in what can be a very confusing area. I spent hours and hours doing my research last year and this covers it off in 20 minutes.
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
So glad this is helpful! Thank you for the feedback. We really appreciate it.
@ceo_of_arbys4706
@ceo_of_arbys4706 3 жыл бұрын
Love the videos man keep them coming, love people who know more about stuff than me explain things so I can get a better knowledge!
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@rjennings0142
@rjennings0142 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for including the information about plugging M.2's into PCIE with an adapter. To dumb it down a little more for those that need, when you buy a MOBO that only has 1 M.2 and you have another or need to expand storage you can buy a peice of hardware that holds the M.2 SSD and then plugs into the PCIe 3.0 etc.
@gabriellazonunthara1227
@gabriellazonunthara1227 2 жыл бұрын
and correct me if i'm wrong, but i think you can't boot windows using M.2 SSD with a PCIe adapter
@neinnein3972
@neinnein3972 Жыл бұрын
Cheers! You are really helpful, thank you!
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for supporting the channel! We truly appreciate it!
@dedithfeybane
@dedithfeybane 3 жыл бұрын
In games with inline loading (fallout, cyberpunk, etc) as you move across the maps, the faster SSDs are a godsend. Many current games use the mechanism for loading, vs the more traditional load a level once and be done method.
@alfredoalejandro87
@alfredoalejandro87 3 жыл бұрын
Thats true, but even NVMe drives are useless when it comes to certain game engines. Take Unreal Engine 4/5. These engines are terrible due to constant texture and data streaming, leading to stutters and just janky gameplay. Even Digital Foundry has noticed this issue and we all hope this can be sorted out sooner rather than later. I myself think SSD drives are amazing and most games benefit (as you said Fallout, Cyberpunk).
@MyshKatze
@MyshKatze 3 жыл бұрын
it makes almost no difference if you have a NVMe or a SATA III when comparing loading times
@wiisportsmatt9775
@wiisportsmatt9775 3 жыл бұрын
So thats why my 3yr old disk spikes to 100% usage when playing Cyberpunk😲
@ik1llpeeple4fun
@ik1llpeeple4fun 2 жыл бұрын
@@MyshKatze but it can possibly improve texture streaming....
@scowi3
@scowi3 2 жыл бұрын
Fast NVMe drives are not necessarily helpful in this regard though due to the low power states they go into. Coming out of these states to load something involves a delay that can make these drives perform slower than a SATA drive. Some NVMe drives have a gaming mode to disable these low power states and avoid those delays, like WD's Black series, which you can enable with it's Dashboard software (won't work with their 'Blue'/'Red' series). Samsung's retail NVMe drives can do it too - it's called Full Power mode in Samsung's Magician software (won't work with OEM drives). I think those are the only two brands that offer this option. Overheating may be a concern with these modes though, especially with the more power hungry drives like the WD's SN850 - I imagine a heatsink would be a must with that. The more recent SN770 would probably be more ideal for running Gaming Mode as it is uses much less power.
@retrocny5625
@retrocny5625 3 жыл бұрын
For the last couple years or so, I've stuck mostly with WD Black 1TB NVME drives for the last few builds I've done. The first ones I bought were because newegg was running a sale on them and they were like $20 cheaper than normal retail price. For their spec and WD's reputation, I figured why not. It was the first time I had tried out WD's solid state drives. Since then, I've been very impressed with them in terms of speed and quality, and I've bought a couple more since then. All the ones I've used have gotten have pretty much matched their advertised speeds and I don't have a single complaint about them in any department really. I only have experience with their 1TB+ nvme drives though, so far. As it is right now, I'll probably stick with them for the foreseeable future.
@Swimant
@Swimant 2 жыл бұрын
I just bought a Wester Digital Black 500 as a replacement for my laptop SSD. but the thing keeps crashing. Fesh windows install and worked great for 3 days then it will boot run for 2-5 min then windows locks and a crash report and a message that the boot installer cant be found. Its weird because it has already booted and is running! I may have to send the drive back and try a different one. :-/
@deViant14
@deViant14 2 жыл бұрын
I have an SN750 3.0 and a 980 Pro 4.0. I think the only other drive I'd want is a Hynix Gold 3.0 drive. I've been trying to move away from WD because they feel unnecessarily janky sometimes and the competition is strong.
@Mangotunde
@Mangotunde Жыл бұрын
Was thinking about getting 2 SSDs - One would be a 500gb boot drive (not sure if this amount is necessary) - and then my main SSD would be a 2TB drive. Wouldn't mind just having my Windows being booted on my main 2TB drive but im not sure if that impacts performance whatsoever. I'm unsure which brands to go for and what to get so some tips would be really helpful!
@Hervinbalfour
@Hervinbalfour Жыл бұрын
​@@deViant14Hynix offers zero support for their products. I hope you went with another brand.
@thepoliticalstartrek
@thepoliticalstartrek 3 жыл бұрын
In general the sweet place for price is 1600MBs NVMe. Once you get over that you run into greatly dimished. I personally go 3000MBs due to those slightly better longevity. HDD do have one major advantage over SSDs. They can be used for unpowered data storage so if you need to archive offline do not use SSDs. They can lose data at around 6 months of being powered off.
@d0m2288
@d0m2288 3 жыл бұрын
I actually wasn't aware of that particular difference between hdd and ssd. Thanks for mentioning it.
@thepoliticalstartrek
@thepoliticalstartrek 3 жыл бұрын
@@d0m2288 When SSDs first came out sime started corrupting in less than 3 months. If taken out or in an unplugged computer..
@jstenberg3192
@jstenberg3192 3 жыл бұрын
Yikes! I thought they lasted forever like a thumb drive.
@Vysair
@Vysair 3 жыл бұрын
Im not sure why but my x570 aorus elite mobo is always powered since by usb hub is powered on. Maybe that's due to ultra fast boot time setting?
@thepoliticalstartrek
@thepoliticalstartrek 3 жыл бұрын
@@Vysair As long at the power switch on the back of the power supply is not turned off or unplugged. You always get a very tiny amount of trickle voltage. This is enough to get the cell resfresh circuits the ability to keep a charge.
@Thrill_House
@Thrill_House 2 жыл бұрын
Love your channel! I’m gearing up on my first PC build - been a console gamer my whole life but have always wanted to build a PC. I’ve been waiting over a year for GPU prices to fall and I recently started the build wheels in motion as the market has gotten less koo koo - I. so happy and feel so grateful that I stumbled onto your channel as I prepare to jump off the cliff. You have answered so many specific noob questions I’ve had rattling around in my head the last year, you parse out complex info in a very relatable and understandable way, and your enthusiasm is infectious (the good kind) I wish you and your cat(s) the best of success and look forward to watching your channel grow🤙🏼🤙🏼
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! Good luck on your build! :)
@Kxrt_i
@Kxrt_i 2 жыл бұрын
Started watching your videos a year ago when I was building my pc, still coming back to your channel for information from time to time. Thank you for your work.
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 2 жыл бұрын
That's so great to hear! Thank you for watching and hope you keep enjoying
@Enakaji
@Enakaji 3 жыл бұрын
there are actually allready some games that basically require an SSD to function correctly and will show some strange behavior on normal HDD, so we are allready crossing over into the teritory of games not only loading considerably faster. Two examples for this would be Cyberpunk 2077 and Star Citizen, both of these games are constantly streaming in new data while playing and a normal HDD simply can't keep up with that so you get things like constant stuttering, textures and levelgeometry loading in too slow or not at all and other things that at first might seem like Bugs in the games code but are simply caused by the game not beeing able to stream in data fast enough due to too slow storage drives beeing used.
@Slav4o911
@Slav4o911 3 жыл бұрын
Baldurs Gate 3 will also behave very bad on an HDD, to the point it's almost unplayable.
@dragon501000
@dragon501000 2 жыл бұрын
Super People, PUBG's successor requires a SSD to take the settings to Ultra they state that, If like me who still uses HDD with a 3070, the Ultra setting is greyed out.
@rahuloberoi9739
@rahuloberoi9739 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think there's anything bad in using HDDs as a mass storage option for storing games, large files etc. They are a lot cheaper and hence provide the most storage per dollar. If you are ready to wait for your game to load (so that you can have your glass of coffee or have a piss lol), there's nothing bad in buying these specially for the ones who have a strict budget. Though these should be avoided for storing the OS. And yes, always go for 7200rpm drives instead of 5400rpm even if they cost a bit more.
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe this wasn't as clear as it could have been in the video: I'm fine for using HDD's for cold storage, just do not recommend them for boot or to load games.
@akakerness6396
@akakerness6396 3 жыл бұрын
Let the HDD die. Yes it's cheaper but running your Pc while loading a game or booting wastes energy. Maybe 20-60 seconds seems like is not much but it adds up. Also, HDD have failed me with the 100% usage error and makes a pc slow overall.
@sinisa5567
@sinisa5567 3 жыл бұрын
@@akakerness6396 Also noise
@Hjorth87
@Hjorth87 3 жыл бұрын
I actually chose a 5400rpm drive when I built my pc back in 2014. Due to me going for as quiet a build as possible. I try to limit the mechanical noise so next time I'll probably pony up and go pure ssd
@bobbob9821
@bobbob9821 3 жыл бұрын
Depends on the game. Having an SSD can minimize loading stutter in open world games for example.
@canobix
@canobix 3 жыл бұрын
Just a note from my own experience about PCI M.2 cards - if your motherboard does not have an M.2 slot and you decide to use such a card, make sure you will be able to boot off of it - you might find some older boards do not support it.
@philipph.6001
@philipph.6001 2 жыл бұрын
I have a old system with a Intel z77. It was a very interesting journey to modify the BIOS with Tools to merge different BIOS versions to get a support of the nvme card.
@Daniel-Kramer
@Daniel-Kramer 3 жыл бұрын
dram cache is not just for writes, it also stores the physical location of files so you can read with less latency. without dram it's stored on the flash so you'd have the latency of reading the map and then reading the data
@oktc68
@oktc68 3 жыл бұрын
Great video Jason, thanks. I built my last rig about 18-24 months ago. I used a carefully selected group of components, I wanted the best bang for my buck (£) I opted for an M.2 NVMe (250GB Samsung 970 Evo Plus) for the OS and associated programs, a 2TB WD blue SATA SSD & 1TB WD blue SATA SSD for my games library. I'm very happy with it. I think choosing components to work well together is often overlooked. Choosing the CPU/RAM/GPU is also critical, if done well it's my experience that you can equal the performance of the next tier up GPU (in a system where no consideration is given to how these components interact)
@Owen-np3wf
@Owen-np3wf 2 жыл бұрын
The 970 evo plus ssd's are pretty damn cheap at the moment.
@Bob_Cratchit
@Bob_Cratchit 3 жыл бұрын
I got my 2 tb Samsung 980 Pro for $330 USD on sale, which was the same price as the better 2 tb 3.0 nvme drives at the time. I see them on sale fairly regularly.
@ivo3598
@ivo3598 3 жыл бұрын
Its awesome drive i have same one too its best u can get for bootdrive this kind of drive i would only use for booting drive and main drive! For other data and other less played games i use basic SATA SSD 2TB. I dont use any HDD at all from 2019. Only external HDD drives and flashdrives.
@dennisgreiwe2078
@dennisgreiwe2078 3 жыл бұрын
Where did your find it for 330? Lowest I've seen is 369.00. This is the c: drive I want to get for my wife's editing PC. Her pc is pretty much maxed out with hardware that is pcie 3.0, and to begin the trek to pcie 4.0, we plan on starting with a hard drive upgrade that will work on our 3.0 pcie mobo so that our HD is ready for a mobo that is pcie 4.0 when we upgrade that later. I couldn't justify spending 419.00 msrp for this drive but it's closing in on a reasonable price that I'm willing/able to pay. Which is around 350.00 (dont ask where that dollar limit came from, I think it's just my head telling me not to spend that kind of money on a boot drive.)
@iAmAbsurd
@iAmAbsurd 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, love the content. One thing to consider is the types of games you may be playing. To say absolutely no additional gaming performance is slightly disingenuous. Sure a blind test over at LTT where people 'feel' a certain drive is faster is valid, but it isn't the be all end all. If its faster, it's faster and if you frequently play games that load constantly and can potentially save you dramatic lengths of time over a long play session that is a huge advantage and allows you to better spend your hobby time. Path of Exile, loading into maps portals over and over again, loading out into your hideout then back into a new map portal. Lost Ark, loading into dungeons, loading back into the world, traveling from gate to gate. CRPGs in which saving before a fight that you fail or would like to perform better at, then loading that game you saved only to screw up the very first turn and have to load it again. Just a few seconds off every load time can save you dramatic amounts of time over a 4, 6, 8 etc hour gaming session with said game. Just something to consider when planning a build like I currently am. Obviously these are all games that I play and am taking into consideration before I buy.. 980 Evo Pro here I come ^_^
@ScrewFearMe
@ScrewFearMe 2 жыл бұрын
Don't get the 500gb one, get the 1tb or 2tb ones, you loose speed on the 500gb one :(
@jvazquez53
@jvazquez53 2 жыл бұрын
In my case, the price difference between the PCIe 3.0 and 4.0 was $10 difference. I went with the 4.0 because if later I decide to upgrade to a newer PC, I can use its full potential.
@Nokiya
@Nokiya Жыл бұрын
yea the price is down very much right now 970 evo plus vs 980 pro is like 20$; and performance difference in some cases is up to 20-30% from what I gather
@zayn3296
@zayn3296 Жыл бұрын
Did you face any slow speed or compatibility issues?
@emmanuel9546
@emmanuel9546 Жыл бұрын
At what speeds the gen 4 is running in your gen 3 system???
@loganricherson
@loganricherson Жыл бұрын
​@@zayn3296 pcie gen 4 drives are fully compatible with gen 3, though it'll be at the slower speed due to being gen 3. You should have no compatibility issues arising from choosing one or the other
@euphoric5172
@euphoric5172 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking to upgrade my SATA SSD drive to an M.2 for gaming and more storage, but thanks to your video i know its not necessary, thanks.
@frankessss
@frankessss 3 жыл бұрын
As always very reasonable recommendations, thanks! I am buying the 2Tb crucial SATA drive to complement my build.
@Imevul
@Imevul 3 жыл бұрын
I suspect that game performance will be more impacted for certain games. For example modded minecraft, where chunk saving/loading is happening all the time as you move around in the game at high speeds. It's not just a one-time load and then you can play that entire map. It happens continously as you move around.
@SoCalMisfit712
@SoCalMisfit712 3 жыл бұрын
I haven’t personally felt the speed difference between the ssd drives, like m.2 to sata in game loading times. I have loaded games off of a hdd and the load time is slower. Significantly slower like 2-3 times. Like loading red dead redemption on xbox. I just got red dead yesterday and it loads way quicker off of the m.2 than on the Xbox, it’s pretty impressive. Might have to reinstall a game on my sata ssd drive just to see the comparison for myself. I do run the sn750 500gb for my gaming drive, and have a Samsung 870 1tb sata ssd for everything else. Besides my boot drive which is an m.2 but it is pretty small since I try to just have my os on it. I would definitely recommend if you can afford it to step up to 1tb when or if you can, 500gb will fill quickly with games. The next drive I buy will be a 1tb sn750 which will go in the next m.2 slot on my z590 ace mobo. What I don’t understand is sometimes programs will go directly to the c, drive and you can not choose for them to go anywhere else. Like I said I try to keep everything off of my c drive since it is dedicatedly my os, but some programs just won’t let you put them anywhere else.
@lukasausen
@lukasausen Жыл бұрын
this is an excelent video but id want to add since the video is old and some things have changed and add my "niche games" perspective, today theres games that are limited and interact directly with SSD/HDD speed, so for example, DCS world loses FPS and even wont enter multiplayer if you play on HDD and have less than 16GB of ram, same for escape from tarkov and star citizen, new games like hatchet and clanck:in another dimension REQUIRE a SSD in order to even be playable since it loads multiple worlds in seconds and better SSD actually affect the game, if you have a sata drive it plays much slower although "playable" it really requiers a NVME to actually be played as it was meant to be, beside that this is the best video i ever saw on the mather really well researched.
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel Жыл бұрын
Thank you! And we do have the 2023 version out if you would like to check that out (;
@NathanaCentauri
@NathanaCentauri 3 жыл бұрын
DUDE!! YOU FREAKING ROCK! I thought I was good? But I gotta tip my hat off to you. Best twenty minute video I've seen in this department, packed with info and just shy of hoping for a few graphs. Let me know if you need help with a simple bar graph on your stats as a object to import into your video. Thank you Man! Bravo!!!!
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!!!
@michaelheath1194
@michaelheath1194 3 жыл бұрын
This was an excellent breakdown! I already knew most of the information, but it was presented in a way that made it enjoyable to listen to and easy to digest. Keep up the great work :)
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
@4dimensionen996
@4dimensionen996 3 жыл бұрын
wow this video would have saved me a lot of time and effort when i built my pc, you really covered everything 😮👏
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
We sure tried! Thank you for the feedback, it means a lot. (:
@Its-Just-Zip
@Its-Just-Zip 3 жыл бұрын
Small shout-out for U.2 drives if you have a header on your board for them, it's basically NVME but used in the data center and you can get really cheap, high capacity "used" drives that are still under warranty when data centers do upgrades. Also more often than not they report near or at 100% in a smart report. More expensive motherboards often have 1 or 2 ports for U.2 drives
@weavercs4014
@weavercs4014 2 жыл бұрын
U.2 is about 2x the price of m.2 nVME and is half the speed of gen 4 nVME
@Its-Just-Zip
@Its-Just-Zip 2 жыл бұрын
@Zane White ebay fairly regularly. Look out for large drops of drives that are still under warranty when companies like Facebook or Amazon do data center upgrades.
@Its-Just-Zip
@Its-Just-Zip 2 жыл бұрын
@@weavercs4014 indeed it is slower but it can be MUCH cheaper when purchased used when data centers do upgrades. Most of these drives are still in extremely good shape and will have 90+% of their life left. You can usually buy them in batches direct from the data center or from a recycler for less than a normal SATA drive
@weavercs4014
@weavercs4014 2 жыл бұрын
@@Its-Just-Zip look I'd love to have one, but I legit can't find any that aren't £200 per TB. You got some links? To give you an idea, the cheapest used u.2 in the UK is a 1.2tb Intel p3500 for £200. That's more expensive than a gen 4 drive and this is only gen 3
@Its-Just-Zip
@Its-Just-Zip 2 жыл бұрын
@@weavercs4014 the prices are heavily dependent on the time of year and especially with the current chip situation you won't be finding one for very cheap right now data centers aren't upgrading and the ones that do are trying to recoup some much inflated costs The model you're talking about I distinctly remember being available for about 100 at one point It's also possible that the prices are heavily regional as well I'm in the US and geographically very close to some very large data centers
@BWGPEI
@BWGPEI 2 жыл бұрын
Man, you do good work with these videos. We've got the same attitude, and I've been building best bang for the buck systems since the '386 days. The newbies have no clue how good they have it these days, grin. But you sure do work had to clue them in and Bless You.
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words and glad you are enjoying the channel! Great to have a like minded builder drop by (:
@carlosmaggoowork9743
@carlosmaggoowork9743 2 жыл бұрын
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@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 2 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the channel!
@stevenhernandez5667
@stevenhernandez5667 3 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you didn't recommend the SK Hynix Gold P31. It had better thermals then Samsung 970 Evo Plus and WD Black 750. Similar performance to both, although I can't say if it's better than the Samsung 970 Evo Plus since I can't personally test to make comparisons but from other benchmarks they both perform about the same. It's also pretty cheap considering there's always a 15% coupon available for it on Amazon making it cheaper then both WD Black 750 and Samsung 970 Evo Plus
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I missed the 15% off coupon on Amazon. Great drive but getting close to the cheaper PCIE 4.0 drives at that point. But with the discount certainly worth it right now.
@redrangerJ
@redrangerJ 3 жыл бұрын
@@PCBuilderChannel it’s pretty regularly available at $108 or so. That 10-15% coupon pops up once a month it seems like.
@brianlam5847
@brianlam5847 2 жыл бұрын
@@redrangerJ I mean I would just get a cheap pcie 4, for 12 bucks more. Some cheap PCIE 4 drives come in at like $0.09 cents per GB on sale, which make them the superior option in the long run. When software optimizes for faster drives and not hard drives, you will certainly feel the difference, (maybe some decades later lol).
@ovarb12
@ovarb12 2 жыл бұрын
Right on man! I'll take a Samsung or WD over xyz brand any day. Want a cheaper drive adata or kingston.
@aronsingletary
@aronsingletary 2 жыл бұрын
One important thing to know about SSD is that it has a defined endurance rating which means it's a consumable. There is also a belief that SSD is just as likely to fail and cause data loss as a CMR hard drive. Tech Notice does a good review of this but I think you cover it by saying it's for gaming which doesn't do a lot of writing.
@FuturePerfectEnglish
@FuturePerfectEnglish Жыл бұрын
Some consumables, like grinding disks, gradually wear while others, like drill bits, suddenly break. HDDs are among those suddenly breaking.
@aronsingletary
@aronsingletary Жыл бұрын
@@FuturePerfectEnglish if you say so. I have had many drill bits wear out and not break just as I have had CMR HDDs start to produce bad sectors and slowly corrupt data. SSDs on the other hand seem to like to just die, probably equivalent to the PCB shorting on a HDD.
@thecomputersurgeon
@thecomputersurgeon 3 жыл бұрын
Jason, your content is very refreshing. I almost always find myself agreeing with your recommendations. As someone that builds and sells systems for a living myself, I can tell you also have that real life experience PCIe 4 SSDs are a massive waste of money for 99% of users as storage is rarely the bottleneck, in any scenario. Even Davinci Resolve for example has basically no performance difference between Gen 3 and 4. You're more likely to be CPU or codec limited. And in gaming, don't get me started! Could have spent that extra money on a GPU/CPU/monitor/mouse, all of which would provide a much greater impact to experience. I think a lot of this buying habit is to do with all the media/YT coverage that PCIe 4 gets Gamers should prioritise storage capacity over speed. Keep up the good work!
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! So much garbage marketing to combat!
@thecomputersurgeon
@thecomputersurgeon 3 жыл бұрын
@Casix03 not even useful as a boot drive imo
@Garth2011
@Garth2011 3 жыл бұрын
Generally, latency is the gamers most negative obstacle to overcome with speeds. Most of that comes from several areas such as the mouse, keyboard, hard drive etc. Not typically a CPU or RAM if you have an average gamers setup to start with. What does effect speeds mostly are the hard drives and moving up to an SSD or NVMe storage device is the best money spent to improve latency and speed. Video cards have a little to do with it too however, the big upgrade would be moving from an HDD to solid state storage is much more value than going from a $400 video card to one that costs $900. PCIex3 vs. PCIex4 is twice as fast in the real world...is it worth the upgrade? Yes but not for the value, not until gen 4 NVMe storage comes down in prices but they will provide a noticeable speed enhancement in latency and they will move data quicker than PCIe 3.0. When you can boot up Win11 from off to seeing your desktop in 7 to 8 seconds, NVMe 4.0 is amazingly quick.
@Garth2011
@Garth2011 3 жыл бұрын
@Casix03 Agreed or...NAS set up for file sharing.
@Blacktrous
@Blacktrous 2 жыл бұрын
That's true, there is not even 1 sec difference between a SATA at 550 Mo/s and a NVME gen 4.0 at 10 Go/s (gaming usage)
@guilhermemendes5977
@guilhermemendes5977 Жыл бұрын
This video is a year old and stll answered every question I had about buying an SSD for a gaming PC. Thank you very much!
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel Жыл бұрын
So glad we could help! We keep thinking we should replace it but the info is still good so it's still going strong!
@jg5275
@jg5275 2 жыл бұрын
It is incredible how much useful information you managed to provide within 20 minutes. Well done is a deep understatement. Lots of high quality information. Thank you from us all.
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 2 жыл бұрын
So glad it was useful! Thank you for the feedback it means a lot to us.
@jslade7959
@jslade7959 3 жыл бұрын
Dude your awesome…! Best videos on YT breaking it down so the common person can understand and make educated decisions when building or upgrading! Keep it up and much appreciated!
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
@TheReterded
@TheReterded 3 жыл бұрын
I hope to see a follow up to this in a few months when windows 11 and direst storage come out. You mentioned upgrading to prosumer SSD won't net much gaming performance but I wondering if direct storage will change than in the coming months.
@MrAlexander100
@MrAlexander100 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! I want to purchase an ssd as my WD Blue is starting to die. Pci e 4 will be useful for direct storage, but by how much ? Will it be worth the price difference ? Also it will be a while before see AAA games take full advantage of Direct storage. While pci e 3 is cheaper and for traditional gaming there will be no difference. I dont know which protocol to choose.
@michaela9541
@michaela9541 3 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing for my need , Thanks Jason.
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
My spies tell me everything :)
@robertsamson4610
@robertsamson4610 2 жыл бұрын
Great info and I love the fact that you don't play annoying music that would interfere with your talking points. Thumbs Up!
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 2 жыл бұрын
So glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching
@Rombex
@Rombex Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video, it is so easy to understand even though my English level is not very good.
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel Жыл бұрын
So glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching
@joshuascholar3220
@joshuascholar3220 2 жыл бұрын
I noticed some large differences in the hardware and (in an usual use case) performance of two SSDs I just bought: 1. a 2 tb nvme pcie 3 with a dram cache vs. 2. a 2 tb SATA SSD, no cache. Both claiming to be TLC drives. The NVME drive takes up two sides of a board covered with chips. The SATA is literally two small chips. And nothing else. The killer use case was encrypting cloned drives with bitlocker. The NVMe encrypted at an even speed of about 340 MB/s and finished quickly.l The SATA drive started out about 170 MB/s but then dropped down to about 17 MB/s with a speed up to 60 MB/s for a short time every 10 seconds or so. I noticed it was hot and put a heat sink on it - that only sped it up to 21 MB/s with a short burst of full speed 200 MB/s every 10 seconds. Still very very slow. So a couple hours or so into the sata drive taking forever to encrypt I told it to back out of the encryption. That took it another couple hours. But after decrypting it was back to measuring normally and copying data quickly. It seems like, with no cache, it just can't handle being asked to read then write at the same time as fast as possible. Testing the disk DURING the decryption had it running insanely slowly. It couldn't just do some decryption in the background and run crystal disk in the forground.
@krisspkriss
@krisspkriss 2 жыл бұрын
I use a Asus Hyper m.2 X16 card with four NVME in Raid (striped and mirrored). It has a fan and heatsink. It has some pretty decent micro op times and insane throughput when benchmarked. The only gaming difference I really see is in texture popins being decreased to non-existent. On professional workloads though, they do pretty good as a scratch drive with pretty high and sustainable reads and writes. Spreading out the workload across multiple drives plus the active heat displacement helps a lot.
@Auspect
@Auspect 3 жыл бұрын
Straight to the point, and a classic sense of the "sell" that comes with this kind of video platform. Stay classy, and do you man. Helped my ADHD ass learn things I previously had trouble focusing on. Much appreciated
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
So glad you enjoyed! Thank you for watching
@CornFed_3
@CornFed_3 3 жыл бұрын
I personally use SN850s (PCIe 4.0) due to their speeds. The prices aren’t bad for what you get and my back up option is Rocket 4 Plus. I have a higher end system and have tried to stick primarily to fast M.2 drives as I have 3 slots on my board for them.
@jordanstills5547
@jordanstills5547 3 жыл бұрын
I went with this one as well because it was on sale and was actually cheaper than a lot of the 3.0 drives! Especially compared to Samsung ones. Figured it would make it where I didn’t have to upgrade for a long time.
@45eno
@45eno 3 жыл бұрын
Sad though that our fast drives are barely better than good ssd’s for game loading. When direct storage is a reality maybe we will finally benefit from buying these fast on paper drives. They do reduce clutter and are faster for certain tasks but gaming they are not utilized yet. And if anyone thinks I’m mistaken open task manager on another screen while your games are loading up.
@dre9973
@dre9973 3 жыл бұрын
Did you buy the heatsink variant?
@CornFed_3
@CornFed_3 3 жыл бұрын
@@dre9973, no, just the M.2 drive. My board has heat sinks on it.
@LoLitsJerry
@LoLitsJerry 3 жыл бұрын
Samesies
@skullwac
@skullwac 2 жыл бұрын
Hat's off to you for checking the ssds regularly
@carsonbledsoe5384
@carsonbledsoe5384 2 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to say thanks for this video! I think this is the first of your videos I've watched but was really impressed with the quality and content. Thanks for making solid content that dumbs down content without making your viewers feel like they're being talked down to!
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 2 жыл бұрын
So glad it was helpful! Thank you for the feedback it means a lot
@tech_jims
@tech_jims 3 жыл бұрын
Was getting withdrawal waiting for the next video 🤣 great video Jason and that m27q working out pretty sick didn't even know it had kvm so big bonus 🤔🤣
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Bringing the good stuff today!! :-) It's not a video until Jim is in the house! Glad you are enjoying the M27Q!
@tech_jims
@tech_jims 3 жыл бұрын
@@PCBuilderChannel haha great guide on the ssds pal you seen they recalled the fractal torrent due to fan controller shorting dam had my eye on one of them 😢 you have a great weekend buddy all the best as ever from the uk 🙂
@dumpsterdiverspcreclamation
@dumpsterdiverspcreclamation 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for giving viewers the straight goods on SSDs. There's a lot of disinformation circulating on the net about SSDs and NVMe but what you're stating here is sound advice. Team Group T-Force is really coming ahead in the race over the years, not only in storage but in RAM as well. They're also generally more affordable bang for the buck wise than than the competition. I own many of the drives you recommended here and I've run benchmarks on them all so I know you're giving your audience the hard facts. Good job! :)
@juliashenandoah3965
@juliashenandoah3965 3 жыл бұрын
Using NVMe drives only was the best thing EVER! :) When modding games and shoveling 10 or even 50 gigabytes of HD textures and other huge files rar´s and folders around on the computer it takes only seconds to copy and the transfer rate is never under 300-500MB/sec. (Remember when the same task took two hours with mechanical drives, or the whole afternoon and half of the night with USB drives?) The Corsair Force MP600 1TB is still one of the fastest NVMe drives around, and the other one is a great budget solution because the second NVMe slot has no PCI 4.0: The classic Samsung Evo with 1 TB. I hope future mainboards will support 4 or even 6 NVMe drive slots and have enough space for big coolers like the Raid Sonic Icy Box IB-M2HSF-702 which is the best of the best for M.2 cooling. NVMe was the biggest performance leap forward in computer technology. No more endless slooooooooow and boooooooring data transfers blocking the whole computer with hours and hours of never-ending copy and paste tasks!
@timadams1827
@timadams1827 3 жыл бұрын
I’m wanting to build a gaming pc with my kids. It appears to me that your videos will help greatly. Thank you.
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
So glad we can help! Best of luck with your builds
@Playa-V
@Playa-V 2 жыл бұрын
There is so much to discuss, when it comes to pc components but you always manage to provide so much info, in so little time. iluvit
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great feedback! It means a lot to us.
@j.b.7813
@j.b.7813 3 жыл бұрын
There is a huge difference between hdd and ssd in loading times and also ssd is silent. If you compare ssd vs nvme however the difference is not that great. Now I am not running servers so my experience and advise is for the regular users like me. What I would suggest is that no matter the choice you make look at some tests and see how durable the device is and what kind of temperatures it reaches under load. Otherwise 2000, 3000 or 7000 mb/s , what is the difference for the regular user? Even ssd at 500 mb/s is decent competitor and I just can't justify wasting more money on high end ssd/nvme.
@ScrewFearMe
@ScrewFearMe 2 жыл бұрын
wait until games use the load from ssd to graphics card more and you'll see a real boost in performance with the faster m.2 ssd's
@wartem
@wartem 3 жыл бұрын
Went from 3500 MB/s read to 7000 (PCIe 4.0). Massive difference in everything when it comes to performance. Actually no big difference in price. Also WD Black SN850 2TB seems to outperform 980 Pro while also being cheaper.
@alfredoalejandro87
@alfredoalejandro87 3 жыл бұрын
Really? I myself see no difference except when it comes to big chunks of data. Maybe for gaming we are being bottlenecked by game engines.
@Vysair
@Vysair 3 жыл бұрын
7GB/s?? holy shit that's gonna took only 1min to transfer my 600gb shit
@wvjeepguy8178
@wvjeepguy8178 2 жыл бұрын
I've been using the same sata m.2 for a few years now, currently in it's 3rd build. Works great and I've never found a reason to upgrade. I do need to correct you on an issue, though. Some games do benefit greatly while playing when using an SSD over a HDD. Diablo 3 is a great example. The SSD offers a constant, smooth gaming experience. A HDD will constantly cause the game to stutter as enemies spawn by the dozen every second.
@Matlockization
@Matlockization 2 жыл бұрын
You talk directly, get straight to the point and offer links about other related topics, thankyou.
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 2 жыл бұрын
So glad you enjoyed! Thank you for the feedback it means a lot
@karl9791
@karl9791 3 жыл бұрын
This is the kind of content for who want a good technical and didactical information. nothing of colorful and nonsense youtuber stuff. just technical info and some comentaries. Well done.
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the feedback! It means a lot to us
@shawn576
@shawn576 3 жыл бұрын
Storing games on HDD is still king. One can use a relatively small SSD for one game at a time using NTFS junctions, but that would be a different video altogether. A program called Steam Mover is awesome for moving steam games.
@hoops8996
@hoops8996 3 жыл бұрын
Theres a built in option in steam to move games. Origin and battlenet have it as well. Surprisingly Origins is the simplest to use lol.
@OriginalJealot
@OriginalJealot 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! At the same time, I want to chime in that there are certain types of games where you will net significant performance increases, not necessarily in raw, or average FPS, but can net notable increases in EFPS by reducing stutter caused by progressive loading of scenes in games where the framerates pause or stutter during loading of certain assets, especially player-created assets (but not necessarily limited to player-created assets). In any case, still a great video!
@Cherrys4Me8P
@Cherrys4Me8P 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Jason! Your videos really helped me build my first PC in almost 20 years. I have an Asrock X570 Taichi, Ryzen 7 5800X, and currently only have a WD 1TB (the SN500 Blue that you showed in this video). I currently just use my PC for gaming (ESO mainly) but soon I plan on doing video editing and Twitch/ KZbin streaming. I feel like I should get an additional storage (I want to back up all my pictures from my old laptop and cellphone, maybe 100GB worth and for new videos of game play). I was thinking about getting the 2TB version of the WD M.2. Is that fine or what would you recommend? Thanks!
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Congrats on the build!!! Glad I could help! Any of the M.2 NVME drives I list in the video description - the budget ones - would be good! Hope that helps.
@hadifelani
@hadifelani 2 жыл бұрын
It's for secondary storage,no? At 2TB, If I may, I'd recommend Samsung 870 QVO for SATA, and Adata SX8200 Pro for NVMe.
@narcoleptic-insomniac4663
@narcoleptic-insomniac4663 3 жыл бұрын
OMG you're content is bringing a faster and more consistent information onslaught just like what Tech Deals was doing when his content/subcount/views were all positive. This is Seriously refreshing thank you for your hard work!
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy! Thanks for watching
@martingo2680
@martingo2680 Жыл бұрын
10 years since my last built.. what a refreshing update. Excellent job on this video
@TheDude50447
@TheDude50447 2 жыл бұрын
A Thing to Note. While the ssd Controllers need to stay comparatively cool the nand memory actually likes higher temps
@illegally_blind6750
@illegally_blind6750 3 жыл бұрын
If you have a great rig that you think will last you for the next 3-5 years, and you're running out of space: getting an m.2 ssd now would be a wise option, here's why: 1. Windows 11 will be able to take advantage of the speed of m.2 ssds. When Microsoft released Windows 10 back in 2015: M.2 SSDs cost a small fortune compared to SATA drives; so, SATA drives dominated the user base. As a result, Windows 10 just wasn't designed to take advantage of speeds greater than SATA. Hence why the speed increase from HDD to SATA SSD is massive, but SATA SSD to M.2 is minimal. Windows 11 is confirmed to take advantage of m.2 SSDs- especially in gaming; So, getting an m.2 ssd for Windows 11 makes sense. 2. Video games are just now taking advantage of m.2 speeds. The main reason why we're still getting loading screens: is because games before the next gen consoles released were still rocking hard drives. As long as those last gen consoles were kicking around: you bet your top dollar that PC gamers will also be getting loading screens. Now with games like Ratchet and Clank taking great advantage of the next gen consoles PCIe speeds: it's only inevitable that more and more games in the next few years will take advantage of- or even require- m.2 ssds. At this rate, the CPU or GPU won't be bottlenecking your system anymore, it will be your SATA SSD. The final reason was already mentioned in the video, but it's the prices. A couple of dollars more for a drive that has the same performance now, but will be much greater later? That's called an investment, and you can colour me invested.
@ppunion
@ppunion 2 жыл бұрын
I have never understood why people want rgb at all. I want my PC to be quiet and with as few lights at possible. I would prefer my case to only have a single led light for on/off indications. I don't even want my mouse to have RGB. I do like if my keyboard is backlit, but I also want the option to easily turn it off. Basically I would like to be able to run my PC downloads while I sleep and the lights disturb my sleep.
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 2 жыл бұрын
I used to be totally anti-RGB, but then I did an RGB build for the heck of it and now everything is RGB.
@amelia3987
@amelia3987 3 жыл бұрын
I watch a lot of your videos and I should've subscribed a while ago, but the cat really did it for me. Subscribed.
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
The cat is the true star of the channel (; Thanks for the sub!
@Vivicect0r
@Vivicect0r 2 жыл бұрын
Actually given how asset streaming is more and more used, storage speed will make more difference. Edge case is Star Citizen that is unplayable using HDD. No FPS difference, yet assets just fail to load in time...
@stepbystep6773
@stepbystep6773 2 жыл бұрын
The quality in your videos is mind blowing!!
@SebasTian-od7oz
@SebasTian-od7oz 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, so much value and information literally "compressed" into one video. The detailed & great timestamps are the cherry on top!
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching
@marcustooturnt
@marcustooturnt 2 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate videos like these, i just ignore the hand gestures but hella informative for smooth brains like me
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 2 жыл бұрын
haha glad you enjoy!
@Kingslay3r
@Kingslay3r 2 жыл бұрын
There is an exception to the loading times, some games like open world games do what we call dynamic loadings to load stuff up as you are playing because not everything can be loading in all at once and held in the RAM. It is possible to see hiccups in games when this happen when using a HDD.
@markclancy5714
@markclancy5714 3 жыл бұрын
from what ive heard Hdd's dont affect frame rate just load times for 90 % titles, but having the O.S on a decent ssd (not the oldest ones that have low cache) is imperative these days, nvme is top tier at the moment and overkill for any game spec.
@erickleon3631
@erickleon3631 2 жыл бұрын
I just found your channel a couple days ago. Subbed for sure. Videos are hella informative and in depth. Good shit. Should be a 1 mil plus channel. You’ll def get there.
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the sub! So glad you are enjoying the content!
@SpartacusTheHumble
@SpartacusTheHumble 3 жыл бұрын
Im glad i found this channel. I’m new to the pc gaming community and am looking to build my first gaming setup soon. I’m currently using a prebuilt for the time being. Can’t wait. Love ur channel man. Very informative and very good with explaining the parts and whatnot. Also very easy to follow. I like how you reference other Channels as well
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the channel and to pc gaming! Glad we can help and best of luck with your first build!
@null2089
@null2089 2 жыл бұрын
This man really just doesn't have the knowledge of computers, but also how to explain it really clean, like each point is so cleared, tells all necessary, not too detailed, just what's important, all perfectly fits in my mind map, ur videos are Noice :)
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 2 жыл бұрын
We love to hear it! Thank you so much for the kind feedback, it means a lot to us
@teyo_gh
@teyo_gh 2 жыл бұрын
I had to pause midway just to give you a like. Very fast and informative video good job.
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! Really appreciate
@Chaney1man
@Chaney1man 3 жыл бұрын
Firstly this was an awesome video. Secondly: I got a PC build a couple years ago and haven't looked back. Completely forgot I had an SSD in it and then moved a game to it. I tried to just copy it over at first, but then I deleted it all and just re-downloaded it onto the SSD directly. I noticed in one of my games, after moving it to the SSD, I was actually loading slower. The proof I have is prior to moving it, I loaded the game faster than my friend, but after he started loading faster than I.
@HalcyonDaze33
@HalcyonDaze33 2 жыл бұрын
20 minutes ago I thought I knew enough about pc memory, now I realize how little I was aware. Thank you so much. You earned another sub.
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Welcome to the channel!
@wilfang
@wilfang Жыл бұрын
Jason. You are the best. I love the way you explain and details you do. Amazing job. I have to say for some reason I tend to pay more attention to people that make gestures with their hands, I think that's when they are really trying to give the more precise information, and you are a pro, big hug.
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, so glad that you're able to get so much out of them! Hope you keep enjoying all the content :)
@ibarzabal
@ibarzabal 2 жыл бұрын
I have to thank the algorithm to have suggested your video. I did not know your channel and I am slowly updating myself to the "new" tech, so i can upgrade my pc You video is EXTREMELLY valuable, thank you so much. Subbed and will check the other videos, really like the content.
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 2 жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard! So glad its helpful!
@vonnkimuelcortez208
@vonnkimuelcortez208 2 жыл бұрын
You bro! I'm having a problem in deciding what to buy with my motherboard... Good thing I saw your video and made me realize what is worth on my budget... that made me subscribe because your explanation is straightforward (simple and chill) ... Thanks for this great video... hope your channel Grow more!
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 2 жыл бұрын
So glad we could help!! Thank you for watching
@vonnkimuelcortez208
@vonnkimuelcortez208 2 жыл бұрын
@@PCBuilderChannel more power! (or core and clockspeeds)
@elysianblaze3272
@elysianblaze3272 3 жыл бұрын
Nice, simple, no frills approach to deliver needed info to anyone. Great job, keep it up.
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the feedback! Thank you and glad you enjoyed
@outtheredude
@outtheredude 2 жыл бұрын
When I first put together my 4790K build on a Gigabyte Z97X-UD3H-BK (v1.0) motherboard back in 2016, good SATA SSDs were just hitting reasonable price points in both 2.5" and M.2 form factors, while the new hotness that was NVME were way more expensive, for a measly 4Gbps more, as Z97 was restricted to just 10Gbps for NVME drives at the time. So I went with a SanDisk X400 M.2 512GB SATA drive, along with 1TB & 2TB WD black HDDs. Now that good M.2 PCIe 3.0 NVME drives have access to a theoretical 40Gbps, while costing pretty much the same as their SATA 6Gbps counterparts per GB, they make much more sense.
@freshWanton86
@freshWanton86 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the awesome breakdown! Even though I have been around this technology for a while it is always helpful to hear your perspectives. Also, you got to add a tag for the cat @19:21
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@itzcoolcat5254
@itzcoolcat5254 2 жыл бұрын
This helped me so much as I was looking for 4.0 drives cuz I have 4.0 slots and did not need it for gaming. Saved me a bunch of money. Keep up the good work & tips!
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 2 жыл бұрын
So glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching
@StateBlaze1989
@StateBlaze1989 Жыл бұрын
>shows the Samsung 980 pro 2 TB with a list price of $429.99 >bought my own two weeks ago for $149.99 Amazing what two years will do to the prices on these things.
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel Жыл бұрын
Crazy right! We do have an updated 2023 version of this (;
@hd-bild1513
@hd-bild1513 3 жыл бұрын
your videos have almost single handedly helped me make a pc build :)
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
So glad we could help!
@timothyporr
@timothyporr 3 жыл бұрын
Super helpful video, thanks! I wasn't aware of the NVMe PCIe adapter option...so you just made my day as I'm looking for a new hard drive this Black Friday weekend! Cheers.
@PCBuilderChannel
@PCBuilderChannel 3 жыл бұрын
So glad we could help!!
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