Stop Saying That Pixar Films Aren't For Kids (Glass of Water)

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[@Carolina-pr2ug]

why would you call coco the worst pixar movie when cars exists 😭

[@LilianOrchard]

Called it!

[@Carolina-pr2ug]

@@LilianOrchard my bad!

[@thenablade858]

I had a crush on Lightning McQueen as a kid and now I can never hear Owen Wilson’s voice without cringing.

[@lucythevixen8757]

@@thenablade858 weirdly enough I know other people who were the same you need to start a therapy group

[@chairpool7623]

I like Cars

[@lucythevixen8757]

Remember when this film was announced and the backlash this got was “instead of a serious story for adults were getting a blue blob kiddy film”

[@Mirrorcomics24]

Mhm

[@zigzoinks5493]

How the tables turn, huh?

[@fizzydizzystudios4768]

The moment I saw that Marie Antoinette of all people was one of 22’s mentors was the moment I realized that 22 wasn’t the one at fault.

[@misterguyman9669]

And she's headless and in a bakery. Lol Pixar

[@ProtagAster]

Fun Fact: Marie Antoinette was actually not as bad as history makes her out to be! If you want me to clarify I can, but apparently while hse did spend quite a bit of money while commoners were suffering (which, to be fair, a lot of nobles did in France back then), she was used as a scapegoat despite not being that bad of a lady

[@pillowfullospiders3934]

@@ProtagAster clarify plz

[@ProtagAster]

@@pillowfullospiders3934 Fun Fact, a lot of the French back then did not like Marie for her Austrian blood, even though her marriage to the king wasn't exactly her choice (it was to secure a peace treaty between Framce and Austria). She and her husband, king Louis XVI, were only teenagers when they married, and Louis was already pretty ridiculed by French Nobles because his grandfather, King Louis XV, considered him a loner. Since they were both teenagers when they married, French Nobles and the royal household were frustrated they couldn't produced heirs right away, which was the start of many negative opinions that would form about Marie and the King's reputation. I could talk more about Louis later if you want, but right now I'm gonna focus on Marie. Obviously, there are two things that Marie's associated with: lavishing in riches the country didn't have and the phrase "let them eat cake". First thing, that phrase above, is something she never actually said. Supposedly, the phrase was said when Marie was told of her subjects not having any bread to eat, and she said it in a callous and sarcastic way that fueled hatred for her and caused her to be a symbol of the French Nobles disregarding the poor. This goes to the second point: lavishing in riches the country never had. While it is true she was quite the spender loving the queen lifestyle, it is important to note she wasn't the only Noble who did this. Almost all the French Nobles were spending money at the expense of the poor (with the exception of Louis, who wof much rather spend his time tinkering away), she just happens to be the main face of it. It is also important to note that while she did spend a lot of cash, she was actually much kinder than the media was portraying her to be, and she was described as being extremely friendly to almost anyone who crossed her path

[@leefay4856]

@@ProtagAster I was just about to comment something like this bc it makes me so frustrated that history villainies her

[@staxistrash3659]

I don't get why people are so ashamed about liking childish things like are they really that much of a killjoy I love sitting with my little sister and watching bluey it's adorable

[@AnonSquishy]

As someone who adores Series 1-7 of Thomas the Tank Engine, I can safely say that I'm not embarrassed that I like the show. It was a defining moment of my childhood, and I wouldn't trade it for anything!^-^

[@Mysterynovus]

I'll never get how any Millennial who watched Pixar movies AS KIDS and loved them would then go around to say these movies aren't for kids. Homey, you were six when you saw Toy Story 2, what are you going on about?? That's proof right there these are aimed at kids.

[@lalaland2107]

Because they always say that they didn't notice some things or that some themes went over their heads, which is fine, but there are those of us that did understand them as kids.

[@ayannabranchcomb7535]

It’s so dumb. Like ofc when we’re older we can appreciate different things about the shit we watched as kids but like.........WE WATCHED THEM AS KIDS AND STILL LOVED IT BECAUSE IT WAS FOR KIDS!!!! Like hello I teach second graders and they all understood that inside out was about embracing emotions and its okay to be sad. They might not have picked up on every single nuance but they got the point and they enjoyed the funky glittery colorful cartoons. Which is the goddamn point

[@lizo5930]

Yeah but Pixar also tries to make them enjoyable for the parents.

[@victorb5608]

Watched soul with my nephew and he goes "that shit was boring" and I'm like "maybe you didn't understand the underlying messages or themes" and he goes, "I think I got it, I just didn't like the movie" and that when I realized the insane concept that kids are their own people with their own opinions

[@rowanlochnea]

This is when instead of assuming a reason, you instead ask "why did you find it boring?"

[@stardustnothing6115]

inside out flying over the heads of kids????? bro i was literally going through the same thing riley was going through when i moved countries and i was 10 if i hadnt seen inside out i wouldove been a very diferent person if i hadnt seen it as a kid it helped so much

[@ArteiceTB]

At the end of the day, everyone can enjoy animation. Some people just need to stop labeling it as mature or not for the intended audience, because everyone can find some enjoyment from the media. Pokémon is aimed at kids, but mainly adults who grew up playing it talks about it. People shouldn’t be judgmental about what others like either, it creates unnecessary stigmas and barriers.

[@joelss22]

Pokemon Sun and Moon has some great emotional episodes that I don't think I'll be able to forget. Episodes like the Stoutland that helped mentor Ashs Litten dying of old age, Ash and friends spending time with a pokemon that has the lifespan of a fruitfly and having to deal with it slowly fading away, and One of Ashs friends regretting her last words to her mother only to finally be able to thank her mother. Sun and Moon has a lot of filler that can be a slog to get through but those specific episodes are what make me glad I stuck with it. I then watched the Pokemon I Choose You movie and hated how they handled the death of Luxray as just a way to flesh out one of Ashs forgettable companions but that's just me.

[@isobelmiller7464]

@@joelss22 Wait, what Pokemon is that with the lifespan of a fruit fly?

[@joelss22]

@@isobelmiller7464 Minior. In the games its said you can save it in a pokeball but its unfortunately not that easy in the anime.

[@welovea73]

Expertly executed

[@XainRussell]

People are so afraid to openly like things made for children that they'll sooner break them and try to reassemble them as some horrible eldritch abomination of the original.

[@Rikkiroo1008]

I hate that some people do forget that animation is a medium not a fricken genre, and I love a lot of animated films, because some live actions are so boring and usually have just themes and stereo types that just suck all the time. Like everybody stop being horny for some actress. At least with animation I get a wonderfully colorful world that expresses some time mature themes that even adult oriented medium would never goddam touch

[@alexgrim5165]

"Too deep for kids", "animation should be made for adults" etc. are disgusting things to say; adults need to STOP hating children.

[@warknightxl2167]

@@unicornbunny5439 I think what he meant is that some people should stop acting that animation as a whole should only be for a specific age group audience than for everyone of all ages.

[@warknightxl2167]

@@unicornbunny5439 oh.... okay then. Sorry my bad.

[@GlitchyPixExtra]

When I was in college, I was doing a media course and one of the lessons my lecturers gave us was about target audiences and I remember, quite clearly, how that lecturer showed us a clip of Up's opening and then asking us who the target demographic for Up was. And so many of the people in my course kept going 'everyone, it's for everyone' because most of the people there were around 18-19-year-old men who _really_ didn't want to admit that they liked shows that were made for children. That lecturer shut them down completely, telling them that, quite frankly, the movie was made for kids. And people kept trying to argue with him about it but he ultimately won out because you can't write a movie for everyone, you have to pick a target audience

[@aylarios7523]

at the end of the day, Pixar films are literally, explicitly MADE for children. whether or not adults find enjoyment in them does not change that fact.

[@Bunni504]

Right. Children are the primary target. Teens/adults secondary.

[@StardustWhip]

People are way too focused on the whole "what is the meaning of life" part of Soul, so much that they don't pay any attention to the character arcs and the actual story. Same thing with the "depression" part of Inside Out, the "mid-life crisis" part of The Incredibles, and the "letting go of the past" part of Toy Story 3 and its inferior sequel. Technically true though it may be that Pixar films aren't _just_ for kids, they are still for kids. "All ages" means "ALL ages", "the whole family" means "the WHOLE family", and nobody at Pixar has ever so much as implied otherwise. ...Except for Brad Bird, fuming the flames of the whole "OhHh It'S nOt a KiDs MoViE" thing, completely unironically, making a clown and a fool of himself in the process.

[@newcarloswig5147]

Cars 2 slaps to this day... Jokes aside, one if the biggest problems in media as a whole is that children are somehow starting to be treated like they have the same emotional intelligence as a potato. For no reason at all, people like to pretend they don't feel anything beyond "sad because rainy today". That's a lie. Let them understand this movie because the way it is presented makes it explicitly able for them to comprehend. They CAN pick up on things. They CAN understand issues like emotional distress BECAUSE in these movies it is made specifically so THEY will get it. And the movies are 100% better off for it.

[@camarin713]

Add Turning Red to the list of “Pixar films that have parents/caregivers failing their kids in some way” but the twist is that misogynist pricks on Twitter are calling it “cringe” and “unrelatable” because it centers around a 13 year old girl going through puberty!

[@DragonLovingGirl6]

Agreed. Now I wouldn't show a kid an R-rated movie, but a lot of bad things happen in this world, and there are a lot of sh*tty people. And by infantizing children of all ages, not only are you not trusting them to process heavier themes and think critically (so they never might learn to), but you also shield them from something that might happen to them and when it happens for real (either still in childhood or as an adult) they won't have had the mental 'practice' to try and handle it. And that's why I have taken the initiative and am training myself to say 'I don't know, let's find out' and to admit when I'm wrong.

[@darinae34]

Yet again, the queen of the BONK said it best.

[@SoraTheMye]

Lily, thank you. Almost no one I knew picked up on what 22’s story was and how she was a huge point too. Her story is exactly what you say it is, and when I first watched the movie I cried during her depression because I had it happen to me too. You explained it in a way even I couldn’t years after it I was abused by my education system in such a clear and concise way. I know it was only a fraction of what this video was about, but it means a lot that someone else understands what her story is and how it is a very real thing that kids go through.

[@Bartholomule01]

The expectation that children's content is uspposed to mindless drivel that is fun to watch and pretty colors really needs to stop. Kids have less expeirence, not less intellgience.

[@SamuraiDoggo14]

Here's a line to keep in mind if you try to gatekeep animation in any way. "Inclusive, not exclusive."

[@ColaLoser]

You got real. Extremely real. I actually had to pause the video because finally someone pointed out everything I've experienced and it hurt. I'm 22 I guess. The school system mishandled me as an autistic girl and my parents didn't know how to handle me. I saw the movie with my mom on Disney Plus. When 22 started having that mental breakdown I started my mother down. She didn't get it but it still was refreshing to finally see what I go through on the big screen.

[@LiftedStarfish]

Obligatory "The Good Dinasaur" comment.

[@theflaminglitten-fo6jd]

I actually really liked that movie nut I know for the majority it was a huge flop

[@TheDoomBlueShell]

@@chey1863 As a person that watched it, I think is because is not a noteworthy movie is just kid and his dog but with a twist and it is like they got good scenes from other movies stitched them together and hoped it came out good, the only part that is memorable is the triceratops scene

[@maplesummers2023]

“This show is too kiddie” “This movie isn’t for kids” those people need to shut up and admit they don’t like kids.

[@karenroque3583]

Thank you so much for this Lily. You are one of the staggeringly few people who took the time to go over and analyze 22’s story arc and you did so beautifully. I’ve watched so many reviews of this movie and so many people gloss over what 22 goes through in favor of talking about how no kids would relate to Joe’s problems. Honestly, whenever I watch a channel reacting to stuff like A:TLA and spitting out phrases like “this is not a kid’s show” it always makes my eyes roll so hard I fear they might leave me soon. Especially when I have distinct memories of being just as enraptured by everything that the show had to offer at the age of eight. All kids from every generation deserves to have fun like that

[@randolfgarard]

I alway saw their films as being appropriate for all audiences.

[@VanillaVillain8]

That part where you said that adults don't know how to handle nero-divergent kids, I have a lot of personal experience with that. My little sisters (both 6) get a lot of crap from my parents because they're always on they're phones or addicted to sugar despite the fact it's their own fault because they enabled them to become addicted to those things. My parents know how to take care of their kids but they flat out don't have the patience for it and refuse to go to therapy because they don't want to admit there's something wrong with them. I know my sisters aren't actually difficult because it takes little to no scolding from me for them to get the message. All I have to do is teach them why what they're doing is bad and be patient. I act as their parent so often that I've flat out called them my kids on some occasions, and treat them as such. My parents aren't like that though, especially my dad. And I clearly can't raise them on my own because I don't have the time and I'm 14! My parents' handling of my sisters is so bad that I'm genuinely worried for my sisters' futures. Not to mention the fact that I'm possibly autistic and have multiple mental disorders but they don't take into consideration that I dissociate often and I'm too depressed for school work and just say, "Well, you should do more". I'm sharing this to let you know that, well, you're absolutely right. A lot of adults are stupid and don't know how to take care of kids. Also as a word of warning: If you're a parent, be a parent. It's not as a hard as people make it out to be.

[@theflaminglitten-fo6jd]

all of this shows that anyone can be a parent but not everyone _should_ because then you get children growing up in horrible situations and often having to do what you do, raise themselves and their younger siblings, to be a parent, to raise a kid for 18 years and probably more because their still your kid after 18, you need patience, empathy, and a lot of understanding and if you dont have that then fix that before you ruin your future child's life

[@snorp_lord6141]

I really, really, *really* hated the people saying that Inside Out was 'too complex' or 'too deep' for kids. I was in the exact same situation as the main character multiple times as a kid, and I knew damn well people didn't get it, as much as they pretended they did.

[@Siennarchist]

I dont know whether the joke extended to the coco thing, and im just confused now

[@JaniHorvat1]

It was a joke. You know how people react to different opinions about movies

[@fiachuAnimation3537]

wow, this video feels so close to home for me right now, especially after my parents figured out I was transgender. after watching this video I want to get Disney plus in the future to watch soul.

[@SamuraiDudepsgamer]

this video says alot of the things ive thought of pixar for a while. ive grown up with these movies and when i saw the incredibles, when I WAS 5, i saw and knew that helen thought bob was cheating on her. i saw the dark, disturbing revealation that syndrome had killed all the supers to make the perfect robot. it seemed liek brad bird directs his movies for adults then kids. but with Cars, it teaches kids to slow down and enjoy life while also giving them a fun race car movie. the point is, animation is an art form, and within that art you have genres: kids films, action, adventure and all the other genres. it can be meant for kids but animation is not a genre, its art form for brilliant directors like brad bird and john clements. so get your head out your ass for saying 'pIxAR Is NOt MeANt FoR KIIIIIDDSSS' like....stfu.

[@Mythic_Fire]

amazing as always. I will admit, the nuances of 22 story flew over my head as well. Perhaps because being an adult now, naturally I gravitated towards Joe's story, but yeah 22's story is just as important and it's a shame that it isn't as acknowledged because it is so real. People underestimate and ignore children so much sometimes, and it sucks. I'm glad not all children's entertainment has fallen into the manchildren's clutches yet. Off-topic, but not really since you mentioned Teen Titans Go. I don't like when those Manchildren say that more light-hearted, silly shows shouldn't exist either. Yeah, good, deeper content for kids can be great, but not everything needs to be intellectual. Kids deserve dumb fun as well. Both kinds of content should be able to exist. I think we all sometimes enjoy more mindless content sometimes i.e memes, vines, tiktoks, etc. So why kids can't get that, I do not understand.

[@caseycarpenter3221]

Literally my only problem with teen titans go is they made it annoying. Like I find all is is is repetative jokes and screaming, and it feels like the creators think kids are idiots. That's literally my only problem with it, I like the art style, the episodic stories, stuff like that. I just could do without the yelling and dumbing down of the characters

[@ayannabranchcomb7535]

Right. I think the art of accepting that you don’t have to like everything and everything aint for you so just find shit you do like has been lost. I find TTG annoying as hell but it’s not for me bc I am no longer the target demographic, and that is okay

[@TheDoomBlueShell]

I once had to take care of a "problem" child, but the only problem the kid had was having terrible parents. Sadly people like these that say "Is not actually for kids" never going to change, because first they will need to accept they like kids stuff and this offends them deeply, because they like to think of themselves as superior and with high intellect, this is why when these sad sacks discovers that anime exist they almost cry on "Finally a cartoon not aimed at kids!" and think that liking anime is a personality trait and start to complain how western animation should be more mature and appeal to adults when their "adult" animes are immature and extremely tropey

[@walterobrien8045]

Yo Andrea where can I get them turnips???

[@korinoriz]

I distinctly remember when I was like 6 years old and was blown away at the concept of a gray villain in a episode of Power Rangers. I also remember talking to my peers about similar rather "morally complex" characters. Children do understand this stuff, just in a much simpler form. I work with preschool aged children and though their articulation is even more simplified than a 6/7 year old, they show signs of understanding "muh complex morality" in media. There's an excellent video of a therapist analyzing Inside Out, and he shares a wonderful anecdote of how his very young daughter said a memory of hers was "blue and yellow", akin to the memory in the movie.

[@TheOrene]

Lily: trying to make a point Me: holy shit stop holding the pizza like that

[@lhayciasamuels3312]

You know the funny thing is, children, do understand Pixar films better than adults because my little cousin told me that Joy was in the wrong because t the beginning she was being toxic positivity, sadness was the appropriate emotion for Riley who moved schoools

[@illusiveaxeman9164]

Soul's message about how the system is failing Twenty-Two completely flew over my family's head. They thought it was just "life is worth living not for a purpose but just for the sake of it" and they didn't think too hard on it. God, I wish I'd had this movie as a kid, it would have been so validating to see.

[@barrettbirks1058]

I did watch Cell's video on soul and, although it covered the same things you said, I much prefer this video. You are just a lot more blunt then Cell and I like it when people get to the point.

[@bryonmurphy7049]

fr tho the rest of society looks down on teenagers and kids is cause they’re the only ones that recognise they deserve respect.

[@LightSpectris]

Okay, I haven’t seen Soul but judging by what you said, I already love 22. I remember my school REALLY didn’t help me when I was diagnosed with autism and despite they thought I was a hard working student, whenever it came to my interests and hobbies they just didn’t give a shit. They hated it when I drew in my sketchbook in class, blamed my mother for being a bad parent because I was drawing gore at one point and they thought me drawing with a black pen meant I was depressed. YES REALLY. I made a PowerPoint presentation about why I love MLP as a way to talk about social outcasts and they threw it back in my face cos they thought it wasn’t educational. Even when I was making mascots for our school houses (granted they were all MLP ponies but they should’ve at least told me to rethink the designs to make it original) and they just threw it away. When I was being harassed by an ex classmate they just gave me a little kids Internet safety book when I was SEVEN-fucking-TEEN. And even when one of my own classmates called me the “class r****d” on FB, no teacher found out about this or say anything about it. (Tbf i should’ve said something but I was a coward back then but still they should’ve At least CHECKED THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA AND SEE WHAT THEIR STUDENTS ARE POSTING) To sum up, I was literally infantilised. I was treated like a precious babby who should just listen to what the adults say and not embrace my hobbies cos they’re not educational and as such grew into a very insecure, immature woman and I’m still now recovering from all the hell secondary school has put me in. So yeah 22 sounds like me when I was at secondary school and it’s depressing how this clear and obvious message to parents and teachers about how they should treat children is completely ignored cos I NEED VALIDATION TO WATCH A CHILDRENS FILM!!!!

[@untoucheddiguise]

I just need more of 22 doing Sylvanas voice lines.

[@l.eveline3955]

I'm 15 and when Riley's mom tells her not to be sad for her dad, like almost everyday for me because my dad gets mad like a child and i can't be to happy without them to They don't like it when i show an emotion other then mild joy

[@johaniskandar9363]

Try to hang on and try to convey how your feeling to your parents. If they act like children and ignore your problem, try to reach out to your counseler for help.

[@janemcdermott7099]

Out of all the fanbases that are talked about for being toxic why does nobody bring up pixar fanboys?

[@fourcatsandagarden]

When I saw Inside Out, my first thought was "I wish this movie had come out 15 years ago" because I grew up in an area that actively didn't believe kids could be depressed unless they were abused in a way that adults acknowledged. Everything else was seen as 'attention-seeking' and therefore something to be punished, not helped. And Inside Out was out there calling them the fuck out on that while validating the hardships that kids go through and proving that they don't need their own super tragic backstories for things to get that way. Inside Out is 100000% a kids movie that adults need to learn from, not the other way around. I haven't seen Soul yet because I'm not sure I'm emotionally prepared for it, but it sounds like it's very much the same. Something that kids will absolutely relate to and that adults desperately need to actually learn from.

[@ZephyrStarchild]

Pixar was my favorite studio growing up and it was because of one movie. Toy Story 2. The Arc Jessie goes through I could relate to very much as a child having been abandoned by my family at a young age. Inside out is also for kids as it's my kids favorite movie, and he uses the characters to show how he's feeling (nonverbal autistic ) This Video really touched me because I've been hearing how soul is not for kids but having seen it and 22's story I can't help but think how it is for kids and how kids who have been abused can relate to her. I know my 10-year-old self could. I mention this because I know I'm not the only one who feels this way. People who have been abused as kids even as adults ( my experience ) look for things that can relate to that to heal. For me, the music in these movies the characters, and these stories were a way for me to thrive in an environment I wouldn't have. While that is sad Without these influences I shudder to think where I would have ended up. These movies were a way for me to express my feelings in a safe way without further abuse and without appearing weak as a child. TLDR: People who say pixar is not for kids.... Please shut the fuck up. You don't know what you are talking about.

[@aaronschultz4061]

As always great video Lily.from 2nd grade to 5th grade I was abused by my peers to the point of suicidal thoughts,what did the school do nothing nothing at all,my mother had to threaten to go the news to get them to act,so I know what it's like to be failed by the system.

[@tracybryant5945]

Why do people think kids are just unable to think past the level of a newborn? Honestly we constantly grow in both mind and body and some kids problably could handle ir understand most of these themes if the parents let them think about it and question it... but i guess thats just my own "opinion" and not actual experience or thought RIGHT?

[@ghustinator3300]

Adults feel this deep desire to return to the validating feelings of their youth, provided by the studios they love. So when a movie comes along, of course they want to still be the targeted audience. They can't get with the fact that their not the ones meant to be reached, their the ones the message is being sent to. Instead of superimposing their own selfish interpretation of a deep and meaningful piece of art and ripping away the emotional depth, changing the symbolism and blatantly grabbing at the last shreds of their innocence they need to realize that they're the ones in the wrong and work up the courage to come to terms with kids' ever expanding sense of self, and the roles they play in helping them navigate life. Just stop grinning stupidly as Pixar repeatedly beats you over the head with this message with film after film because all it shows is that you need to fucking. stop.

[@thelilartzy]

Thank you for helping me realize that I’ve been failed by my parents. They always do what you talk about and they made me into a people pleaser to make them happy.

[@Nube-Gamer]

1:25 *FINALLY! IM NOT ALONE ON THE WHOLE CARS 2 IS THE BEST PIXAR MOVIE IDEA*

[@SHGogo-df5jr]

Yeah, I agree on the stupidity of this. Like, have you people never heard of a little concept called 'appropriate for all ages'? As in its safe for kids but also engaging for adults? Not to mention, even if its target audience is children, that doesn't mean adults can't like it. Maybe it's because I'm Gen Z but it feels like claims like this stem from insecurity. Despite what people say, they're still really insecure about being an adult into "children's" media. I just find the entire thing pointless and dumb.

[@jrgoriginal569]

I really love this channel. Lily's bluntness is parallel to none. Keep going at it

[@vividBloodsucker]

The way I see it, Pixar Movies are for everyone. For kids by principle, but push those limitations with deeper themes that most kids media won't touch, and engaging stories, to a point where it's enjoyable and fun for adults too. They're moreso family movies than kids movies. This has definitely become more apparent as the adult Pixar fanbase has grown over the years and the movies themselves have grown up a little in their storytelling or done things specifically FOR the adult fans, notably the ending of Toy Story 3 being a sendoff for the fans who grew up on the first two. That being said I wish the people in my generation (no doubt Avatar-Brats) would stop hoarding these movies as being "just for us and nobody else" because it spits in the face of the PRIMARY audience of kids... Lose the kids, and you lose most of the people watching the movies in the first place, you can still enjoy these movies regardless of your age, but keep in mind you're the secondary audience and the movies aren't made specifically for YOU. It's comparable to something like Doctor Who, a show for everyone but primarily targeted towards kids, and that was a show that didn't NOT pander to kids sometimes. Watch Remembrance of the Daleks, there's some pretty messed up stuff in there but I would still say it's good for kids because of how it handles the themes. TLDR version, it's ok if kids see things that they don't fully understand and ask their parents about

[@AshleyTheFighter]

Yes I do agree that toy story 2 and cars 2 are Pixar's secret gems They’re the two movies that shouldn’t be for kids, cause even kids deserve better

[@theverticalgamer5660]

People who gatekeep children's films are the ones who think kids are dumb and that's fucking rich considering the fact that they watched these same films as kids and loved them. It's almost like they think they were super smart by getting the message of a pixar film and kids these days don't have the intelligence to do so. It's the fucking boomer mentality they complain so much about and the fact that they are doing the same thing with straight face is comical if not really REALLY sad.

[@pkmasterjt4899]

Random commenter: "WHAT?!?! COCOS THE WORST PIXAR MOVIES BUT CARS 2 IS BETTER THAN TOY STORY!!!! BLASPHEMY!!! BOYCOTT LILY!!" Seriously though, love you and your videos so much. Thank you for helping me maintain my sanity through these past couple years. Happy valentines day🥰

[@samdarkmoonsamdarkmoon7807]

That end monologue was top tier

[@asterling4]

"or family guy for- okay i'll stop now" no no no tell me. i need to know now

[@heyitssarad1234]

The funny thing is the very people saying that Pixar films “aren’t for kids” usually enjoyed Pixar films like Toy Story and Monster’s Inc WHEN THEY WERE CHILDREN, and yet still make these claims.

[@witchy90210]

I think another issue is that people dont think children can understand "adult" topics and themes. There are some anime I watch that are targetted at children and they can handle some deeper and more complicated themes. But when they "adapt" them to a US audience its turned into the equivalent of waving something shiny in front of children to keep their attention. Just because something is for children doesnt mean that its devoid of meaning.

[@XxLordDarthVaderxX]

I made almost the same argument as you went my brothers and I talk about the film; their firts thing that came out of the mouths was "This movie is not for children" and then I almost went mad. WTF? Later our conversation went similar to this video.

[@goldenhorse4823]

Pretty much. School is obsesed with idea of stopping progres of not blaming themselfs and just saying cildren are the problem. That is pretty much giving power of time to the clock that stopped ticking years ago. Original founder of school was a big sexist and even he admited that his sytem is flawed but that is just start and that he belives that others will inprove it. He was wrong at that part.

[@akuma4321]

soul really resonated with me. i've struggled with adhd and bipolar disorder for seventeen years, and i was always labeled a "problem child" by my teachers and my parents. instead of trying to help me, i've just been treated like a lost cause. i felt the same way with inside out. it's been like this since elementary school. i'm tired of people acting like messages are too """matuuuuurrrrreeee""" for kids while acting like petulant babies the moment someone mentions they may be in the wrong when taking care of a child.

[@tomas100708]

the people who say that teen titans go is trash, and doesn't have any maturity in it, are the same people who when prpesented with a children's entertainment film/tv series, will go out in rage about how it's "not for kids" becuase it has mature elements in it, like that's just hipocrisy at that lmao, like how are kids going to learn if all their entertainment is complete trash lol

[@warknightxl2167]

This. Your comment is on spot mate. I freaking knew there was something pathetic about those “adults” and even some teens who keep claiming that any great quality entertainment from kids media should be for themselves “only” and not for everyone of all ages. As if those are the same people who keep on saying that kids media should be great and can be mature and not being dumb down for kids since they are not dumb, but all of a sudden when a content intended for kids is actually great and appealing for all ages, those grow ups complain that the content from kids media should be for “aDuLtS OnLy” and not for kids or should I say not for everyone of all ages. Like Gravity Falls is a great cartoon kid show that appealing for everyone of all ages, yet a majority cringeworthy adults and some teens say that show is not for kids and should never be viewed and enjoy by kids. Kids media can literally have maturity and multiple emotions in it. Scariness can actually be acceptable in kids entertainment media, just not on the level of r-rated or some pg-13 horror movies. I’m willing to bet that most kids(from the school age in elementary) would definitely want a fun scariness in their entertainment media since kids are not babies.

[@WinterRabbit1]

Thank you so much for making this video. I’m so sick and tired of seeing this happen so often.

[@Charlie-up8hy]

Yeah I've always found some people's attitude towards children (or as they often call them: "crotch goblins") disturbing. I understand that the pressure to have children because how can your life be meaningful without them is stupid and can really wear a person down, but never take that out on children. Like seriously I sometimes read about people that want to throat-kick literal children because they are loud and annoying at a restaurant or something, and then it's applauded as a relatable thing, what the actual fuck.

[@PaintSplashProductions]

Thank you for saying this! I am not neurodivergent but I felt SO MUCH with 22. I have a problem with stuff like school to the point where I had to redo maths for 3 years while also trying to do college at the same time and let me tell you my emotions got out of control, I was sad, stressed, angry and lonely due to the fact that I felt so stupid because all my friends passed these classes that I was having so much trouble with. So when I rewatched the movie and I picked up on that, I felt like I was about to cry. Joe talking to 22 and helping her figure herself out was so revealing to me that someone actually helped her! I was 22 in that scene! And now that I was able to pass my redo Maths I feel like a ginormous weight is off my shoulders! And people saying that kids can’t understand this film is really annoying, I’m glad people like you and Cell Spex were able to see that too

[@mor3796]

... how much *are* the turnips, though?

[@serra2059]

Wait. Hold on. There are actually people out here in this planet that saw Inside Out - a film with an actual CHILD as the main protagonist, and the CLEAR AS DAY message of "All emotions are valid and to be acknowledged" being said to the same CHILD - and thought it wasn't for kids?.. Seriously? :DDD Regardless, a very nice video, sums up the ideas behind many of the movies well.

[@a.l.i.e.n.c.o.d.e.]

YES! Frankly I think people who claim that something as undeniably made for kids/with kids in mind as a Pixar film 'isn't for kids' believe so because they talk down to children and take that as the norm. Pixar doesn't, at least from what I can remember, ever bring up a theme and go "Oh, you wouldn't understand". Movies like Pixar's often aim to invoke feelings that /make/ you understand.

[@Sohrleas]

After Soul came out I saw an article that talked about how the movie should have focused more on Joe and his culture because he's the first African American character Pixar made, and that 22 shouldn't have been as big a part of the film. It irritated me, truth be told...I love cultural diversity and cultural competence in films, but it almost felt like it would have gotten in the way of the story, in this case. I think you said it the steven universe video, that world building is fine in it's place, but when the world being used is our own, we don't need to explore everything. Also, I hate it when people treat kids like untrained dogs that can talk. "Don't bring your kid anywhere if it's going to inconvenience me!" "I'll kick your kid out of the theater if they talk!" "The story's too complex for children!!" Kids are mini humans learning to navigate the world!! They're smart and clever and amazing!! They're still learning self control and how to express themselves in a constructive manner! Their emotions are a LOT for their smaller bodies so sometimes it overflows and they need help! They're amazing and to treat them like mistakes or inconveniences makes me incredibly angry! And to the people complaining about kids attending a kid's movie; if you can't handle kids in a public space, you shouldn't be in public spaces.

[@thatonepersonyouknowtheone7781]

as someone who was abused, I fucking despise that backhanded Bojack oneoff Bojack Horseman is a show filled with flawed characters, it never ONCE tries to convince you that Bojack is a good person, hes just the viewpoint character. and protagonists dont have to be either 100% perfect people, or 100% dark gritty characters, it's a little thing called NUANCE, which you would fucking know of if you spent any time away from the thought process of thinking you're watching media that isnt made for kids under the age of 12. no-one is perfect, and we're all in some ways horrible, and that's the point of BoJack Horseman, not "BoJack is an asshole, you should feel bad for him because he made mistakes"

[@cassiopeiathew7406]

I think that Pixar movies are for everyone, they always have been. It’s just that people are picking and choosing the parts that they like and can empathize the most with and neglecting the parts that they don’t, I watched Soul the first time and felt it had a bit more maturity than last Pixar movies but I never considered it not for kids. I hadn’t ever considered what 22’s story was trying to say and I only looked at how her story affected Joe’s which I’ve now recognized is a problem.

[@dataexpunged1646]

kids aren't stupid that's it that's the point

[@iancoyne2200]

Pixar films belong to children and adults. They all have mature themes and messages meant to be learned by people of any age.

[@vividdaydream1516]

Some people need to _grow up_ and stop being so obsessed with being PERCEIVED as "grown up." Hating kids and everything associated with them doesn't make an adult more mature. It just makes them a jerk.

[@Kull1339]

Gasp, lily as to think I would ever do such a thing, I scoff at you. But the way- I have this sack of turnips for sale here, a dozen for 10 US dollars, this deal only found here

[@DivadRovert]

Honestly, I feel like children aren't given enough mental credit. It's not a society thing either, this is a world-wide issue. We try way to hard to "protect" children from the world.

[@jamesnhatcher6522]

I absolutely loved this video. Thank you Lily😊

[@axthxrn]

As a kid pretty much Rileys age, I understood everything in inside out. Mainly bc its the kind of stuff I go through. I have issues with handling my emotions and feel like nobody cares about how I feel, especially about moving houses (I recently moved two states away from my best friend who was my biggest support beam. She kept me sane). So the argument that "kids are too dumb to understand," is invalid. Some kids, like those from 3-6, might not fully understand, but they'll get the core message.

[@truewickedkittenASMR]

I cried while watching soul and did not understand why. Now I know. Thank you Lily

[@mariatomlinson2663]

My dad put me through a lot of shit growing up, but he had his good things. One of those good things is the stories he told from his time as a teacher in an underfunded school; one where there were a lot of "troublemakers". He always said he was simply calm with these kids, didn't put up with them being disruptive but respected them as people, and gave them work to their level (rather than "ah who cares you're too dumb to get this anyway" which is... just disgusting but far too common) and help where needed. He says that one of these kids, at the end of the last year in school, came up to him and said, thank you for not giving up on us, even though we misbehaved. It sticks with me. These kids are "troublemakers" not because they're bad, awful, evil kids. They're annoying, and you refuse to give them basic respect and hurt their future because you got annoyed. They deserve better. Children are people, and far too many people seem to just... not see that.

[@animevampierangel131]

What I like about animation is we can explore topics in so many different ways we can't in live action. I also like that so many animated movies can be enjoyed by anyone regardless of age.

[@jmtaylor0811]

Hey Lily, I was one of those kids who is failed by the school system and for years, I thought it was my fault

[@rainyrouge5123]

I am sick of people who act like kids can't enjoy or understand emotional moments in films. A lot of people have this idea that kids will find any movie that isn't a loud, colorful slapstick comedy boring. And yeah, little kids do have lower attention spans than adults and in general kids prefer comedy to every other genre so that idea came from somewhere, but it's still really condescending for adults to decide what is and isn't too smart and mature for kids. People talk about Coco, Inside Out, The Incredibles, Ratatouille, Soul, and Up(and some other Pixar movies, but those six are the main offenders)like they're too smart and emotional for kids to get at all and I find that really laughable because I watched three of those films as a kid and liked them. With The Incredibles, I didn't know what a midlife crisis was, but I got that Mr. Incredible was sad that he wasn't a superhero anymore and that he found his job really boring. I obviously couldn't relate to Mr. Incredible's struggles, but I understood it well enough to follow the movie. With Ratatouille, I also couldn't relate to the characters because they had adult problems, but I still found the movie entertaining, I could follow what was happening, and I got the overall message that creativity and doing what you love to do is good. I can see some kids finding Ratatouille boring because it has a bit of a slower pace, but I know little me didn't. And then there's Up, which was actually my favorite Pixar film for a very long time. I saw that movie when I was eight and I remember understanding it perfectly. In fact, it might have been one of the first films that really emotionally moved me(welp, I'm getting too sappy). But no, apparently when I was a kid I just fell asleep during all the scenes that weren't funny because all children are stupid and too sheltered and delicate to understand the concept of someone being sad because their wife died. And this is just pure speculation, I haven't asked a child about this, but I think Soul, Inside Out, and Coco might be easier for kids to relate to because they all have child protagonists(child-coded in 22's case)who deal with things that are issues that a lot of kids deal with(strict teachers, moving, and controlling parents respectively). It's actually kind of ageist when you think about it. Yes, kids are young, naive, inexperienced, and they don't know much about the world. They're still emotional beings who are more aware of their surroundings than some people give them credit for. What I'm trying to say is if you say kids can't appreciate Soul, you probably know less about kids than you think you do.

[@Eclipsed_Embers]

I fully agree with every point here except 1. I can agree with the tweet you showed that said that you shouldn'd watch incredibles 2 without watching 1 first. nothing about stuff being for kids or adults, just watch the original before the sequel. animation is for everybody, sure there'll always be some things that aren't appropriate for certain groups (no pre-teen should be watching South Park, I'm sure you'll agree with that much) but having a little mature humor or an idea that'll go over kid's heads is in no way an indication that it's for adults, it simply means that the people making it acknowledged that adults may end up watching it (parents with their kids for example) and did some stuff to ensure that it'll be bearable for them.

[@Leviatiemily]

When I first watched this movie I cried I felt so fucking validated! I even reference scenes in it to my therapist&psychologist about how my anxiety feels.

[@misquared1421]

Period babe, you tell em!

[@SNUFFGURLL]

It’s really weird to see adults claim something isn’t for kids or can’t be viewed by kids due to themes and then go around and praised films made by the same studio that they enjoyed as kids with deeper themes at the same time.

[@cosmicbard6998]

I never understood why some people think that all movies and series have to be either for kids, or for adults, and never for both. Adults and kids are still both intelligent people at the end of the day, and there are plenty of things that both can enjoy. The only thing that you achieve by saying that a movie is "not for kids" is essentially gatekeeping, and the same thing applies when you say that something is "just for kids". And I have no idea what the point of that even is. Why wouldn't you just let all age groups have fun with a movie that is specifically made in a way that all age groups can enjoy it? Does a movie become more enjoyable if you imagine it as "too mature for children" in your head? I certainly didn't need to do that to have a good time watching things like Finding Nemo or Gravity Falls.

[@shikashi18]

Honestly, I always thought Pixar films were always for everyone, not just kids or adults, it's WHY they've had such appeal. While yes some don't hit it out of the park like others, they all have that appeal. It's. for. EVERYONE!

[@aloftmelevar]

bro i was getting so sick and tired of hearing people go on and on about how "wE WANT ANOTHER RATATOUILLE!!!11!!!" whenever they saw the soul world in the trailers. like pixar isn't just going to start making adult films out of nowhere, this is what pisses me off about the pixar fanbase. then they went on out how soul is "creme of the crop, no kids allowed" and how onward is "too kiddy, too magical, not pixar enough" ???????? this video hit the nail on the head.

[@eeveeongirl]

Heres the thing people, these films are for children and all anyone over 18 is a child grown up. You can still enjoy things. Nothing magical happens when you turn 18. World knows my 29 year old sister and I (25) will stroll right into disney world to ride the dumbos, who cares!

[@kykycupcake1]

Here's the thing I really do want more adult targeted animated films that aren't sausage party But that doesn't mean you turn everything Pixar film into this weird deep thing that no child would enjoy Keep kids movies for kids And finally give us our OWN movies

[@starrry1274]

I'm 16 and I was genuinely obsessed with the incredibles when I was younger and I loved that they made a new one and I did not act like that wtfff Jesus nobody owns the right to enjoy things istg

[@MsHood1986]

When I was a kid my mom allowed me to watch horror films the only thing that I wasn't allowed to watch was South Park. She told me that I be telling her that I know it was fake and because I watched a lot of how it was made shows I explained how the kills were did. I was allowed to watch a guy get his head chopped off, but I couldn't watch a bunch of kids cussing alot.

[@luissantiago6077]

I’d like to see more of your takes on Bojack Horseman in video form. I watched the show and found it strikingly insightful, but have also seen people use it to excuse their own poor choices. Would you say this is the fault of the writers, or an inevitable misunderstanding by its viewers of the writing?

[@TheQuirkyArtist]

THIS THIS THIS RIGHT FUCKING HERE!!! THIS IS THE REASON THAT LILY IS THE ONLY ANALYST I ACTIVELY WAIT TO WATCH MORE OF!!! This is by far the apitamy of actual beneficial content. I cannot tell you how many times I was treated as having a disorder because I didn't fit into a niche little box growing up or how my feelings about something were invalidated because " I haven't lived long enough to understand " so often how I was told " children are to be seen not heard" to the point that now as a 21 year old I vehemently and with passion will tell someone what exactly their problem is making sure that they know as an outsider looking in I can see and narrow in on their BS tjrougj unbiased eyes. How in highschool when the children of my homeroom teacher would come into class in the morning I would actively talk and listen to them when my classmates would act like they were a nuisance as if they weren't once kids who simply wanted to express how they felt. I still struggle with invalidating my own emotions at times but I am glad that I didn't let that toxic may of behaving bleed into how I treat others especially children. The foster care system for me growing up was just trying to find me a place to live till I was the states problem never actually addressing my actual issues and not until I grew up nearly on my own did I progress as a person. I even revisited my old foster home to see how things are only to find that half of the kids I lived with are either homeless or having trouble with the law. But I digress.... The point is that I love Lily's work and I'm elated to have found a content creator that influences me beyond just being entertaining.

[@madisonmartinez5928]

Also when I hear people say a film (meaning a TV show or movie) isn't for children because there's actually some emotional depth or the film goes into some serious issues or because the film is capable of appealing to adults as well, I keep on getting the feeling that those people don't believe children deserve quality content. For example, Avatar: The Last Airbender had some heavy topics and quiet moments. The fire nation was filled with nazis and they showed POW camps and raided villages. I was about 6 or 7 when I started watching that show and I remember the episode where Aang and the gang went to the Eastern Air Temple and he found Gyatso's corpse, and I remember getting goosebumps from that scene. Some kids will watch whatever you put in front of them, but they can tell the difference between good films and bad films