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@N00BSYBORG6 жыл бұрын
*None of our choices mattered.*
@inktoxicant6 жыл бұрын
The only choice that mattered was the one to watch LPs instead of buying the games
@N00BSYBORG6 жыл бұрын
@@inktoxicant I would've bought the games even after watching the LPs if they were good but they weren't. Game of Thrones killed any interest I had in their games.
@MegaRazor6195 жыл бұрын
@Rey Mustayne I bought death road to Canada just to support the developers, even if I didn't like it
@NobleLucy6 жыл бұрын
Telltale: *picks Minecraft story season 2 over The Walking Dead *The community will remember that*
@Ireallylikepie226 жыл бұрын
To be fair, its more that they HAVE to finish Minecraft because of contractual obligations.
@Ireallylikepie226 жыл бұрын
That being said, this is the biggest case of "I'D RATHER HAVE NOTHING" for me to date.
@originalscreenname446 жыл бұрын
Why was there even a Season 2 to begin with? Was that already baked into the original contract when they made the first one, because that first game was a massive piece of shit?
@NobleLucy6 жыл бұрын
@@Ireallylikepie22 I agree with ya. I'd rather have a shitty MC mobile game that *could* have been forgotten. Unfortunately Telltale is going out with a wet fart
@iller36 жыл бұрын
No the WORST part is that Minecraft MADE MORE MONEY
@zigmus00A6 жыл бұрын
RIP Clementine. The last thing you did was murder a child. The hero we did not deserve.
@Raven_Frame6 жыл бұрын
I did a bad job raising her.
@introspectre77136 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I stopped with the ending I got in Season 2. Honestly, the series should've ended there; ending's pretty definitive in my opinion.
@kylebell73235 жыл бұрын
Introspectre witch ending did you get
@god473983 жыл бұрын
this got worse after season 4 or whatever it was called, aj's rattle weighs a ton
@IndoorSitup6 жыл бұрын
IT ALL COMES TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN
@vistea16 жыл бұрын
I JUST KEEP LETTING ME DOWN LETTING ME DOWN LETTING ME DOWN
@Crade16 жыл бұрын
I WISH THAT I COULD TURN BACK TIME
@tonlito226 жыл бұрын
Because now the guilt is all mine, Can't live without the trust from those you love, I know, I can't forget the past, I can't forget love and pride, Because of that, it's killin' me inside.
@0rriAndroid6 жыл бұрын
"Thank God. Gearbox needs talent." *OOF*
@gamerguy69906 жыл бұрын
Maybe someone will take Randy's job
@brainflash16 жыл бұрын
They have plenty of talent ...for ruining other people's IPs.
@angrybrony6 жыл бұрын
went straight for the fuckin throat there.
@WonderGamer1016 жыл бұрын
DESTRUCTIVE FINISH!
@originalscreenname446 жыл бұрын
As much as I love Borderlands 2 and like the story far more than most people, they better find whoever worked on TFTB for 3.
@jman28566 жыл бұрын
Around the time Tales from the Borderlands ended, Kevin Bruner, one of the founders, took over as CEO. According to former employees and a few others, Kevin wasn’t exactly the best CEO around as he apparently had the tendency to take a good chunk of the credit when it came to the games themselves as well as being almost a piece of work when it came to shipping the episodes monthly. Kevin also was interested in making more and more “Lightning’s in a bottle” like Walking Dead. Around the time Walking Dead S3 released, Kevin and the upper management at Telltale were having disagreements which led to Kevin stepping down as CEO and just walking out of the company altogether. Later on, Kevin then sued Telltale which probably had in hand in causing the company to close their doors.
@DatAsuna6 жыл бұрын
If you check glassdoor the CEO disapproval rate is especially dire, even compared to other shitshows like star citizen.
@FlameOfUdun966 жыл бұрын
*Telltale Games will not remember that*
@ViciousArcanum6 жыл бұрын
But the industry will.
@gamerguy69906 жыл бұрын
Maybe Telltale will be bought like THQ was with gunfire games
@brainflash16 жыл бұрын
Nobody remembers anything in a Telltale game.
@coreylemon5 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the "Carley will remember that" stinger from the first game. No. No she won't.
@Mantis476 жыл бұрын
The story of Telltale Games is kind of ironic and sad if you think about how it started. A bunch of Lucasarts developers that got tired of being forced to work on Star Wars games with no creative input. And then The Walking Dead blew up and the upper management was like "Well, get ready to make this game again over and over again with no say in the matter!"
@skeetersfunhouse40026 жыл бұрын
Maaan if anything its the opposite of that idk what youre talking about. They were using tons of ip's, their REAL problem is the formula and how mediocre they all are due to their (understandable) lack of intuition and ambition.
@tonlito226 жыл бұрын
Ironic, they could make people make non-choices, but they couldn't choose to save themselves.
@mechashadow6 жыл бұрын
Liam was on point in this discussion. Hit every nail on the head.
@ImpyWorm6 жыл бұрын
Mixed feelings about Telltale dying, but it looks like they weren't planning on improving/changing their engine or really doing anything different with their game's choice gimmic, despite their absurd amount of employees, so I suppose it was only a matter of time.
@brainflash16 жыл бұрын
They never should've done more than one season per franchise. It's like if Force Awakens came out right after A New Hope.
@ImpyWorm6 жыл бұрын
@@brainflash1 I think they could have done more than one season with something like the Wolf Among Us because of the setting and kind of story it was, but I think what would have been even better is if they didn't do so many different games at once. Then they could just focus on making their game they DO have better. Or fix the bugs and gliches, either one would have worked better than what they did.
@RippahRooJizah6 жыл бұрын
If they were made to work on multiple games at once due to management I'd assume it would be hard to actually work on the engine.
@ImpyWorm6 жыл бұрын
@@RippahRooJizah Hence the "Or". Hindsight says either route would have been better than what was actually done.
@stratusstriker70626 жыл бұрын
I know Telltale did little in terms of actually innovating their games, but it still hurts me that I will never get the closure that I wanted for The Wolf Among Us. The games were lacking, sure, but Im concerned that those stories will be lost. *tear rolls down face* Goodbye Bigby, my friend.
@lemeres24786 жыл бұрын
8:30 while LPs killed the games... Telltale made games that were easily killed by just 'watching someone else play the game'. So "if you've seen it once, you've seen it a million times". The linear nature and the illusionary choices means that you get everything just by watching an LP. They failed the key element that separates video games from movies- player interaction. Compare that to "The Council"- a game of the same genre where you have stats and skill points that means your build affects your character's options, and some options have their own story branches you can't get otherwise. In that, the player's interaction is essential. Someone watching an LP could easily think "Wait, what if I buffed my science stats in that scene?". In the world where LPs and twitch livestreams are essential channels for advertising... making a game that could be killed off just because people looked at it before hand means you failed.
@tomisabum6 жыл бұрын
I still credit you guys for helping to spread the Yakuza hype to America; you sure as hell got me on that train. Lets Plays aren't the problem. Hell, you guys sold me on Skullgirls and a lot of stuff I'd never even played in terms of genres. I think they just dislike Lets Plays in the same sense developers used to dislike doing demos (which are kinda dead compared to how they used to be).
@Rockymann276 жыл бұрын
That show i got into yakuza honestly. I never even heard of the series before. I saw them play yakuza 4 and it made me want and get the game. Glad they got me into it :)
@7U57HTJRYGHG6 жыл бұрын
Next month news: YAKUZA STUDIO DEAD SHIN RYU GA GOTUKO AND JUDGE EYES CANCELLED Former employees commit suduko on the street
@namegoeshere52206 жыл бұрын
Monster Hunter Persona Guilty Gear Yakuza Souls Are all franchises whose games I only bought the games from because of this channel, and I know there are more I am forgetting. Hell, I bought that Digimon detective game because of a one off with Pat and Liam. LPs have made me not waste money on bad games, so instead I could spend that money on the good games.
@saladoc6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but did you buy any of the cinematic games they Lp? that´s the issue, I bet you didn´t, because you know, we are already saw it.
@namegoeshere52206 жыл бұрын
@@saladoc Wolf Among Us Until Dawn The good ones. Specifically from their LPs of them. Never liked anything Walking Dead.
@DevonPalmer986 жыл бұрын
I hope Clem's voice actor gets another good character
@tomisabum6 жыл бұрын
Melissa Hutchison's imbd seems pretty jumping. I legit didn't know she was in the Yo-kai dub.
@DevonPalmer986 жыл бұрын
tomisabum Don't forgot her best role from the hit classic Sonic and the Black Knight
@MW-df4lv6 жыл бұрын
She's playing Shaft in the HD remake.
@convolutedclarity6 жыл бұрын
@@DevonPalmer98 Woolie was in a sonic game?
@SmoothEnigma6 жыл бұрын
I mean, if Telltale's Twitter is to be believed she may get to finish off her story.
@nobodyspecial6756 жыл бұрын
There wasn't an inherent design problem. Pat's just regurgitating Sterling, who COMPLETELY glossed over the fact that TWD S1 had talented writers who knew how to WORK with the limited format. Few of your choices mattered to the plot of that game, but they ALWAYS mattered to your relationships, which how it worked so well. VERY few of TellTale's later games understood that AT ALL, leaning into the cinematic stuff and stripping the choices down to dialogue options (Which you could tell they BLATANTLY cheated with a lot) and meaningless coke or pepsi bullshit. At best, a choice could lead to a single alternate scene before it's back to the rigid path.
@dtox55596 жыл бұрын
Good writers or no, it doesn't change the fact that telltale put all of their eggs in the same basket, all the while demanding the chickens to make even more eggs.
@nobodyspecial6756 жыл бұрын
I agree, TellTale's business STUNK. I just think the idea that their gameplay illusion was ruined by people "wising up to the formula" is self-congratulatory horseshit. Woolie's right when he cites Borderlands, these types of games are ALWAYS made by the writing. Unfortunately, a lot of TellTale's writers either weren't equally talented or got sabotaged by Kevin Bruner.
@dtox55596 жыл бұрын
I agree with you, but I feel like that's what the best friends are saying, that because the writers (lacking talent and beleaguered as hell) were pretty much forced to rehash the same formula over and over again to bang out games, people eventually just stopped buying the games because there was essentially no difference between watching them on youtube and actually playing them. and, to your original point, I don't believe the relationship angle, disparity in quality or no, really had that much of an impact. The first walking dead was a great game, so much so that people wanted to experience it themselves. The problem is that the game as a whole was a novel idea, and the crux of telltale's failure was the utter lack of innovation (issues of bad writing aside). Everyone was eagerly awaiting the one game who, in the structure of beginning - middle - end, had different variations of middle and end between players, and that game never came. course it'd be up to good writing to make those variations satisfying, but at the very least they'd probably get sales from people who felt they'd get differing experiences from each other.
@slicknicdwyer6 жыл бұрын
COMPLETELY WORK ALWAYS. VERY AT ALL... BLATANTLY. STUNK ALWAYS! what are you trying to tell us. r u a spy.
@nobodyspecial6756 жыл бұрын
Dtox 555 I never said the fall of their business was entirely reliant on them dropping TWD1's relationship bs. There was a lot of factors to them going under. I'm ONLY taking issue with the one piece of Pat/Jim Sterling's schpiel that I addressed.
@tannerhudson33826 жыл бұрын
Their Lps have definitely gotten me to buy games I wouldn't have otherwise tried, like dmc and Yakuza.
@saladoc6 жыл бұрын
How about cinematic ones?
@tannerhudson33826 жыл бұрын
@@saladoc Ironically, considering the news, they got me to pick up the wolf among us.
@healingv1sion6 жыл бұрын
I had not played a video game in 10 years until I watched the Dark Souls 2 Pat/Woolie VS Liam/Matt vid that made me by Dark Souls 1 on the spot. A very difficult way to get back into video games after 10 years but I had fun that's what matters. Also Matt made me buy Scribblenauts
@DatAsuna6 жыл бұрын
I tried wolf among us and played tftb despite the LPS, but every other telltale game I just watched other LPs for the other choices. Now say, heavy rain or detroit or life is strange I totally went and bought despite the best friends LPs because they have actual value to experience them first hand.
@li-limandragon92875 жыл бұрын
Got the DMC collection
@tonybandana75536 жыл бұрын
An end of an era it's weird
@mindshuffler33326 жыл бұрын
There's only one way to properly end this. *[Grapple Away]*
@vistea16 жыл бұрын
@@mindshuffler3332 In all seriousness, that is a great way to describe the closure of Telltale.
@Egalia_16 жыл бұрын
Rip clementine, never got her final stand against a zombie army
@brainflash16 жыл бұрын
They would've just brought her back in the next game.
@ghostfear20116 жыл бұрын
cbb88christian They said that they’ll finish that.
@dawidzielinski2916 жыл бұрын
@@ghostfear2011 Only the next episode
@originalscreenname446 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't it be funny if Clem wound up being a stand-user with a stand named Zombie Nation?
@Furymgs36 жыл бұрын
Tales of the Borderlands actually had that problem too, but it was not nearly as prominent because of the fact the writing was pretty damn good. In the end, your choices don't _matter_ either, but hey, you're having a blast playing it, so who cares? And the fact the writers were authorized to go nuts meant that even though your choices concretely didn't really matter, there's still a lot of really cool and fun stuff to hear and see for every possible situation. All the forks still end up joining in the end, but it's more a case of "it's not the destination that counts, it's the journey", if you see what I mean.
@nightfrost18916 жыл бұрын
one thing i did like about tales though and this is a SPOILER for those who haven't played through the whole game so beware is that depending on your choices you can build your final team like for example, if you saved enough money/saved felix you could get the secret character on your team, if fiona said she wanted to be a vault hunter Zer0 was unlocked to be on your team etc. etc. so though the ending is the same the final battle could be really different depending on who you picked so i think it did have more choice in comparison to any telltale game which also makes it superior not just in story telling
@Furymgs36 жыл бұрын
It's a matter of focus, I'd say. Most Telltale games put the emphasis on "choices" that supposedly matter, rather than pure writing and storytelling, except these choices don't matter and people know it now. So you go into most Telltale games thinking you'll be presented with more choices that don't matter, and a fairly static story, and you'd be right. The writing and story are usually decent, but nothing particularly mind-blowing, so all that's left is the conclusion that Telltale "did it again." But in Tales, thanks maybe to the comedic tone of the game, the focus isn't on the choices themselves, it's on the writing and the "mise en scène". A real effort has been made to write something that is consistently, noticeably good, which means that the usual Telltale issues are pushed out of focus and don't really matter anymore. So, like you say, the ending doesn't change, but thanks to the writing team's creative freedom, the journey itself is wildly different, with virtually no change in the story itself. Like Pat said, this "choices" issue is something that is inherent to the Telltale design, and the episodic, seasonal formula means that you can't really get rid of it, so they definitely should have made more games like Tales, in which they can just compensate for it with creative freedom.
@brainflash16 жыл бұрын
Now those Telltale employees will know how it feels to have none of their choices matter.
@FlameOfUdun966 жыл бұрын
GODDAMN DUDE
@brainflash16 жыл бұрын
Burn too hot for you?
@ash2crimson9686 жыл бұрын
They will remember that.
@moongoose87686 жыл бұрын
*OOF*
@BigALBoomer6 жыл бұрын
Jesus mate...
@PunishedBlake6 жыл бұрын
So like, a common argument is that let's plays kinda kill these story based games, but that's an excuse from executives who don't want to take any amount of blame. Like, fucking Detroit actually interested me even though I was watching the LP and I saw some friends actually buy it to get their endings that didn't suck. If your choice-based game doesn't entice a person to want to experience all the outcomes, then you made a bad game.
@ZyroShadowPony6 жыл бұрын
And like pat said: Detroit is a very variable game There are multiple endings and multiple outcomes that i want to purchase the game just to find everything
@MamaBedlamVO6 жыл бұрын
Also Telltale's manager of Streaming during all this stated that LPs actually had little to no impact on sales.
@PunishedBlake6 жыл бұрын
Plus, games like Detroit are sold in one game rather than episodes. Waiting months for a new episode kills the narrative and it makes the formula more obvious. I don't think a lot of people wanted to buy a game they can't complete until the rest of the episodes are done. Detroit gave us two LPs without having to wait long amounts of time.
@talynhastime93436 жыл бұрын
+Kallen Stadtfeld List of games I have bought solely due to the LPs/quick looks/podcast recs from this channel: -Banner Saga (and its sequels) -Darkwood -I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream -Shovel Knight -Betrayer -LISA -The Evil Within (yes, despite everything) -The Witcher (I ended up not liking it, but I got it for cheap so no harm no foul, Pat) -The Wolf Among Us List of games on my wishlist that I hope to buy in the future due to the LPs/quick looks/podcast recs from this channel: -Hollow Knight -Detroit -Yakuza series -Marlow Briggs and the Mask of Death -Death Road to Canada -White Night -Perception -Camp Sunshine -Yomawari series Yeah, all that from this channel alone. I don't want to even list off the games that I was inspired to buy or put on my wishlist because of PewDiePie or Markiplier.
@Yal_Rathol6 жыл бұрын
yeah, let's plays hurt sales. that's why devolver digital cites the best friends playthrough of metal wolf chaos for the reason they petitioned fromsoft to re-release it. because the best friends hurt it's sales.
@FlameOfUdun966 жыл бұрын
I remember when they made decent adventure games WITH ACTUAL FUCKING PUZZLES adapting old LucasArts properties like Sam and Max and Monkey Island before they became a licensed game factory. Back to the Future was the beginning of the end for them, and Jurassic Park really should have been the finishing blow
@angrybrony6 жыл бұрын
...you do know the made a sam and max game, right? also some of there licensed games like batman season 2 and twd were really good?
@brainflash16 жыл бұрын
Modern Telltale games are the rail-shooters of RPGs.
@FlameOfUdun966 жыл бұрын
angrybrony Yes...hence why I mentioned them developing Sam and Max games...Also I personally didn’t think Batman or TWD past season 1 were that great
@skizzmt62916 жыл бұрын
The only thing that I'll really miss from their closure is TWAU. They took a relatively unknown comic series and adapted it into an interesting experience that was fresh for most people. That's what they should've kept doing rather than fucking about with IPs that were already really popular in other forms.
@Mantis476 жыл бұрын
For a while I kept hoping that they'd go back and do some new adventure games, like the old ones they did. But that hope died after TWD season 2 came out. At that time a bunch of their original writers also left the company, so I think that they felt the same way.
@GSarge176 жыл бұрын
So does that mean the TellTales will be on Wha Happun?
@HellecticMojo6 жыл бұрын
maybe in a decade, although Wha Happun tend to focus on a single defining moment of crash and burn rather than a whimpering descent into darkness.
@Anonymouthful6 жыл бұрын
Knowing Telltale, no matter they would have done the out come would have been the same.
@fien1116 жыл бұрын
At a certain point you run out of non-powderized horse corpse to beat, it seems. Also, to help debunk the LP myth. I bought Walking Dead Season One specifically after watching someone stream the farm section. I think it looked awesome and wanted to see what my different choices from some foreknowledge would change......yeah...... Never bought another Telltale game again either. Like most people.
@convolutedclarity6 жыл бұрын
You can probably still just punch the red mud where the horse was, but I don't know if it's the same.
@XxNin10dohgamerxX6 жыл бұрын
+Convoluted Clarity it's not as fun without the horse
@suraventri25446 жыл бұрын
I bought the Batman game after seeing a LP of it. I buy a lot of games because I check the game on a LP/impressions and if I like it, I buy it. The telltale formula in the games they rushed out the door were not interesting enough for me to play, boring story or a boring IP.
@magnumbadguy93546 жыл бұрын
I mean I'll say it before and I'll say it again, if it weren't for this channel I would've never played Yakuza 0 and thus I would've missed out on playing my literal favourite game of all time
@nooneinparticular52736 жыл бұрын
I feel bad for the employees that got completely shafted here, that sucks for them to be out of a job, but thats what you get for coasting on a formula harder than even Activision does. Nice job Telltale.
@frosty68456 жыл бұрын
Employees can only do so much when management is too stubborn to make needed changes
@nooneinparticular52736 жыл бұрын
FrostyP Thats what I mean. I realize I worded it not fantastically, but I meant that I feel bad for the employees who got fucked over by their bosses and shareholders and such who just chose to coast on what worked in the past instead of trying to keep the business alive.
@BlargleWargle6 жыл бұрын
You seem like you have a lot of unresolved hangups, mate.
@Cheese_Meister5 жыл бұрын
These guys are doing more analytical work than the board of directors for these games.
@raccoonofmotivation206 жыл бұрын
I remember old telltale. Monkey island and sam and max were some of my favorite games back then, now every telltale feels the same just with different characters. They were great but they do the same thing and needed to branch out.
@Mantis476 жыл бұрын
The huge success of TWD season 1 killed the company, ironically. The management decided that they were gonna do nothing but try to replicate the success over and over again, and this is how that ended.
@clanofclams27202 жыл бұрын
I'll always remember those sbcg4ap games...
@ghostfear20116 жыл бұрын
TellTale has stated that they’ll finish The Walking Dead Final Season with Devolver Digital expressing interest in doing the Stranger Things game that was planned.
@tartoflan6 жыл бұрын
Devolver is bae
@Raven_Frame6 жыл бұрын
"The end of Telltale Games." - Talks about Capcom Vancouver closing for the first seven minutes.
@nehuenmutiozabal63396 жыл бұрын
The wolf among us is sooo underated
@1Vergil6 жыл бұрын
So here is the thing about some LPs and the effect on the audience. There are those types of games where the gameplay is awesome and despite you watching a let's player play it, you want to purchase it yourself and experience it. This usually applies to good action games, proper horror games and some other genres... Then there are the LPs for games where there is basically no gameplay. The telltale games are point and click + QTE type of game where choices don't rly matter. No even if you didn't like a specific outcome you could just watch another major KZbin play it like cry, jacksepticeye, etc. this makes the LP more like a tv show and less like a game you want to interact with.
@GIBunz6 жыл бұрын
Some people probably even *GASP* rented these games from redbox rather than bought them
@n00battak3r5 жыл бұрын
MATT CALLED THE MAGICIAN THING WITH RANDY.
@helenbells69406 жыл бұрын
Funny, I only have my PS3 and got back into gaming after a nearly 10-year absence because of the MGR:R let's play on this channel. As soon as the first ep of that LP was over I went and bought the console and a copy of the game. Afterwards made another purchase off of the LP of Killer is Dead. My belief is that most people who watch LPs were never planning on buying the game in the first place. But some people (like me) may buy the game to play for themselves if they find that the game looks like something they want to play. All in all, it's a smarter way to gauge if a game seems like a worthy purchase. This may have contributed to Telltale's downfall since a lot of people know what to expect from their formula but for other developers, it probably gets them more sales and exposure in the end.
@orionarclight5 жыл бұрын
Oof... 2018 took away so many things... Goodbye SBFP
@jakerpg46066 жыл бұрын
TellTale has just announced that there is hope for finishing The Walking Dead TFS with new potential investors stepping forward.
@laytonlast78766 жыл бұрын
Unlikely to happen with the incoming class-action lawsuit.
@samzilla5676 жыл бұрын
Which is a shit move because they're screwing over the devs out of their pay.
@kingofthemoon30636 жыл бұрын
Well fuck them, because it’s the employees that they screwed who matter here.
@montgomerynovak21944 жыл бұрын
Pat: "or Mixer" Crazy talk strikes again. It may have taken a whioe but it did.
@tyrelle0006 жыл бұрын
They should of focused on wolf among us for a smart series, walking dead for a more "scary" series and borderlands for just straight comedy. That's just my opinion xD
@jacksonlasley66216 жыл бұрын
Out of filler games? Good, means you can play Dante's Inferno
@ultraspinalki116 жыл бұрын
Or sonic unleashed!
@broderickblack6 жыл бұрын
Don't fear the reaper baby take my hand cues in the background while Dante screams out to pat
@Abyss32236 жыл бұрын
What did you say a play through of Duke Nukem Forever?
@TheSpiralCurse6 жыл бұрын
If i can add another one, no numbers, but i'm pretty sure Night In The Woods didnt have this problem either. Hell i watched the whole thing on here....twice.....and then i bought it
@wrequiem17276 жыл бұрын
Weird that you mentioned it, didn't think it was popular enough to get mentioned. Just started my 2nd playthrough a couple days ago... AND the reason I gave it a chance was because I knew SBF played it on the channel. Nitw is one of my favorite games of all time, top 25.
@shupasopni6 жыл бұрын
Same here. Watched it, played it, loved it. One of my favorite indie games
@redzeppelin66 жыл бұрын
I was so bored of that game myself I never even finished the LP. It just couldn't hold me.
@wrequiem17276 жыл бұрын
Das_Bass Ok
@lordlossize5 жыл бұрын
"it also gives them an opportunity to make money faster" woolie, you literally just heard about how the only games that made money were the minecraft and walking dead season one games. its like reverse crazy talk where you learn the correct information first but then immediately get it wrong.
@nemesisnick666 жыл бұрын
the customers will remember that
@benhramiak87816 жыл бұрын
I'm sad we're not gettind season 3 of batman.
@strayiggytv6 жыл бұрын
I am too. I actually stopped watching the best friends play through 3 episodes in just to buy it and play it myself. I felt like it was the most interesting thing done with Batman characters since Gotham.
@DemPop6 жыл бұрын
I'm mostly buttfuck mad over The Wolf Among us, even tho I was sure they'd ruin it, like they did with TWD.
@iller36 жыл бұрын
I'm not, Fuck your Milkshakes!
@DamashiTheKaotic6 жыл бұрын
No season 3 of Batman, Season 2 of Borderlands, and The final Season of Walking Dead being left unfinished really hurts.
@skellybean86596 жыл бұрын
Ben Hramiak R.I.P Juice
@MARPOLO136 жыл бұрын
The problem with telltale games is that they are the perfect example of games everyone says they love, but don't really buy. Most people preferred to watch others play them and say how much they themselves liked it, but never actually bought the games. It's just like part of the tweet says in regards to receiving tons of support and positive feedback, but it didn't equate to sales.
@D3mi4n6 жыл бұрын
the creative force behind The Walking Dead S1 were Sean Vanaman and Jake Rodkin, and both left Telltale after TWD S1 to found Campo Santo (they made Firewatch)
@silverbard52446 жыл бұрын
I would guess that LPs help sales when the game is good. If the game is bad and playing it is less entertaining than the LP, it may discourage some viewers from buying. I don't know if that would be considered a bad thing.
@convolutedclarity6 жыл бұрын
Its hard to tell, apparently some people got omikron after their lp of it, but those people are probably sadomasochists.
@redzeppelin66 жыл бұрын
As they said. Metal Wolf Chaos and Yakuza.
@CheetahsArePrettyCool6 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't think it'd be considered a bad thing, it sounds like a combination of a review & game demo
@demon24416 жыл бұрын
If you bring nothing but formula to the table, I can just watch others consume it and get more from that. I played S1 of the Walking Dead and saw the formula before it became apparent. (Granted another part of the problem for me at least was that the zombie apocalypse fairly to me is a worn out setting.) However, S1 had good writing to fall back on. Then I heard about all the other experiences people were having online and even though I had already bought 400 days and season 2, I never had the urge to play them after that.
@joshyeldham6 жыл бұрын
I never trusted episodic formats of Telltale games, and would only buy then upon completion. The formula has been stale since... forever. Unfortunately for people that I know, who love these games and, for the first time, bought The Final Season of The Walking Dead for full price as it was released, in order to avoid the temptation of watching it on KZbin (and to talk about a game while it is relevant) they are now stuck with the prospect that it might never be finished. I suggested to my friends to not buy the game until all episodes were released, and THE ONLY REASON why I capitulated and said "Yea, OK, buy it" was because I couldn't envision that it would go this wrong, ESPECIALLY since they had announced a protracted season with clear release dates, so many companies had been advertising it etc... I mean, it was on the PC Gamer E3 show for Christ's sake! They even had the voice actor for Clementine on the stage, and made a big deal out of the game. Didn't these 'Games Journalists' have the good idea to investigate the health of the company before giving them a huge spotlight? Apparently Not. Perhaps companies should be encouraged to have finished most of their f**king game before asking the retail customer for money. We say to ourselves "oh, the episodes must be nearly all done" because we collectively don't want to acknowledge this crunch-time trash that is video games development. It's been that way even since Halo 2. It seems that the people who paid full price now, are being punished for other people not buying their previous games. And, upon asking for a refund, the response from the e-tailer was "Telltale games may seek investors & other companies to finish... the situation is unclear, so you don't need a refund" which is like the excuse of "My dad works in video games and he knows, don't worry they'll finish it" or like that rumour that Marvel Vs Capcom Infinite would be patched to make it good so hang in there.
@PFSolitude6 жыл бұрын
Man, I just bought Tales From the Borderlands BECAUSE of this channel.
@MrSilnev6 жыл бұрын
Around the 29 minute mark I'm gonna confess and say I got Deadly Premonition, Silent Hill: Downpour and Heavy Rain because of your guy's playthroughs of them and in the case of the former two my interest in them without the videos would have been non existent.
@mip123onps35 жыл бұрын
I fucking loved turning point fall of liberty XD
@angrybrony6 жыл бұрын
this whole thing sucks hard. for both fans and the employees of Telltales. telltale made some of the best stories from franchises i barley had any interest in/knowledge of like the walking dead/ the wolf among us (fables) and had a love for like batman season 2. i wish the absolute best for those that worked there.
@CidTheGargoyle6 жыл бұрын
The subspace emissary comparison is absurd. People were still going to buy the game for the gameplay, Sakurai just got butthurt over people watching cutscenes on the internet and just decided not to do it again.
@trippinsciko6 жыл бұрын
It's because of you that I got into the Yakuza series, beat the games before watching the LPs, started with yakuza 0 and I fell in love with the emotional and complex storylines.
@Icarus20635 жыл бұрын
I wonder if lp's were a factor for their games doing bad in terms of salesnumbers. The reason I am asking myself this is because the way a telltale game works make it kinda unnecessary to buy the game if you get to see most of its content for free on an lp.
@redlanternreviews48215 жыл бұрын
JonathanTopside I’d say it definitely had an impact on their games not selling well. It wouldn’t have been the main reason but I’d say it was certainly a factor
@Gojiro79 ай бұрын
im glad the guys acknowledged that LPing could harm the sales of games (as well as improve them) here because in a previous podcast the sentiment was pure sticking fingers in ears going "Lalala!! I am not listening Lalala our job doesn't negatively impact shit!"
@ChoomOfDoom5 жыл бұрын
I honestly really wanna see that shitpost folder. Lee shooting laser beams at boats sounds like a missed plot point
@kevincullen66276 жыл бұрын
For the record im one of the people that became a fan of the yakuzies because of you guys, ive bought every game since 5 and tracked down an old copy 4 and 3
@jerichogerhman89716 жыл бұрын
Please have this guy in more of your podcasts. It's the closest sounding Liam we can ever get I miss him in here.
@RanMouri826 жыл бұрын
If it helps for you guys to know, it was thanks to you that I started gaming again. After your Undertale LP, I wanted to play it myself. And that game's greatest strength is its story! So I agree with Pat; that was a Telltale design issue, not your fault.
@k.-flynn6 жыл бұрын
I hope Pat likes that Minecraft Netflix series they're doing
@5133pp1z6 жыл бұрын
I remember people's buzz being killed because the time between episodes was really fucking long. It varied between 2 and 5 months, so it honestly makes sense to me. I can only imagine what took all that time other than taking on more than they could afford.
@NavigatorBR6 жыл бұрын
LP's from a few different people over the years, have sold me on a number of games, "Red Faction Guerrilla", "Rainbow Six Siege", "GTA V", "Bioshock Infinite", "Driver: San Francisco", "Bully", "Just Cause 2", "Night in the Woods", "Spec Ops: The Line", "Rolling Line", "Cities Skylines". (Night in the Woods, was thanks to your LP.)
@lolking4766 жыл бұрын
Spec ops was such a hidden gem
@NavigatorBR6 жыл бұрын
I know, when people talk about playing a game over having no memory of the story, that'd be the game I'd pick, since I knew the plot from reading the Wikipedia page, since I couldn't play it on my old computer and had to wait until I got my current laptop to play it. Hell, I'd like to see SBF play it, especially if they don't know the plot. (However, if my memory serves, only Woolie is completely unaware, Matt and Pat both know, which I'd still be cool with, I want to see Woolie's reaction to it all.)
@lilacbombs_51974 жыл бұрын
I think another problem of telltale was bad. advertising. I had zero idea a guardians of the galaxy game even existed until I by chance, saw it in a youtube search. Not to say that all those other factors you pointed out didn't play a part, I just think they would have benefited from a youtube ad or something.
@TheDrLeviathan6 жыл бұрын
So how long until game devs unionize and make everything go nuts. I don't even know if I'd mind if everything went nuts at this point.
@pareidolist6 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad Until Dawn is still remembered as the example of how to do this genre well. It didn't have any lofty narrative ambitions or fancy tie-ins to preexisting franchises, it was just a really solid game with incredible commitment to player agency.
@Neku0TWEWY6 жыл бұрын
I want that folder
@wafflesgalore546 жыл бұрын
I cant find it on google, someone please be a hero
@erdrick86705 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know what the video Pat was talking about is found? I'm referring to the one about the hundred foot Lee shooting lazers because it's sounds amazing and I can't find it.
@MrStath19866 жыл бұрын
Why would you even want a Stranger Things game? The second season of the show was basically the single biggest case of diminishing returns ever.
@introspectre77136 жыл бұрын
I've played only 4 Telltale games and the moment I realized choices for sure didn't matter at all was in The Wolf Among Us where I played it a second time and prevented the death of a character who died on my first playthrough, aside from that character showing up in one scene later in the game, nothing changed. Weirdly enough, though, that character was probably supposed to show up in a second scene that I missed, but saw a glimpse of in one of the next episode previews. I will say this, though, even though choices didn't matter I would've still bought Telltale games so long as the stories were good and interesting. I plan, or planned on getting Batman S2 because of the new take on Batman and Joker's relationship. The way I saw it was that if they could tell a good story that gets me invested then they deserve my money. I didn't buy the stories for the choices, I bought them for the narrative.
@linkster2916 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think the biggest thing we see here with that graph, and the fact you had 3 games in a year, is that the over cannibalized their own market share. With so many releases just dropping in the general quality, mixed in with a dwindling market after each disappointing release you just end up with a smaller potential for profit.
@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat3 жыл бұрын
I remember I got the best ending in Detroit, now I kinda just refuse to go back as that’s just my canon ending😂
@vistea16 жыл бұрын
While I will watch an LP even if I'm interested in the game, there have been multiple times where I went out and bought said game to play it for myself. I did get into Yakuza because of Mat and Pat's LP of Yakuza 4, I haven't watched their Evil Within 2 LP because I'm slowly going through it, and I watch the first part if Devil May Cry 1, and said to myself, "Ok. When I have free time, I'm going to pick up a PS2 copy of DMC1". You can blame LPers a small percentage when a game doesn't sell, but that isn't the issue overall.
@pikagammerpluspizza74784 жыл бұрын
R.I.P.
@TheHeavyModd6 жыл бұрын
Yeah the Telltale thing is sad but ARE YOU GONNA TALK ABOUT BOWSETTE
@galgow6 жыл бұрын
They talked about it on the podcast
@marcellosilva92866 жыл бұрын
I'm soooooooooo happy Matt remembers Legendary: The Box!
@zamu26 жыл бұрын
Pat and Woolie played Parasite Eve. I've rewatched some parts of their LP. I bought the game myself, played it, and actually had fun experiencing it myself.
@tonlito226 жыл бұрын
How could making an empire based on choices not mattering possibly blow up in your face?
@creuller71666 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah dudes, you guys def played a part in bringing Yakuza over to the states/NA - I see all these tumblr blogs saying "please play yakuza" who have clearly seen your stuff. I bought 4, 0, and Kiwami because of y'all - but I can't get anywhere in the story because I fuck around too much playing mahjong. Speaking of - I really want to teach you guys how to play mahjong, some of the animations in the minigame are HILARIOUS.
@Vespene6 жыл бұрын
Immediately after watching this KZbin queued me into the latest Tales of the Borderlands LP, with the intro song. Now that hurts.
I don't even watch LPs unless I've played the game already.
@HighwaterTrousers6 жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: Weighing in on Dead Rising 3 and 4, the decision to go Xbox One Exclusive was Microsoft's. According to former devs on Dead Rising 3, the game was originally planned to be on all systems and had a much bigger, cohesive story and more content. In the middle of development, Microsoft suddenly paid a lot of money for exclusive publishing rights and with it came a lot of stipulations. Specifically, the Eyeglass integration was a demand from Microsoft producers as well as Kinect features. And since those were new at the time, nobody knew how to code for them and ended up cutting tons of content, in order to spend time fulfilling Microsoft's demands. For example, in Dead Rising 3, there's a crashed cruise ship in the city; the original plan was to have the zombie outbreak start on the boat and the player would survive on the ship before it crashes into the city causing the city to go under. In the final cut, the game just starts randomly in the middle of the outbreak and the cruise ship is barely used. As for Dead Rising 4, a similar case happened where Microsoft paid for timed exclusitivity and had many demands. While Capcom Vancouver did develop it, Microsoft had their own directors come in and lead the design. And these guys had no idea how to make a Dead Rising game, much less a competent game. If you look up pre-release interviews, the directors keep flip flopping on points and do nothing but insult the previous games and developers. (Several interviews have the directors say the previous games were poorly made, unfun, and had bad writing, while their game would be perfect.) In fact, if I remember correctly, the directors were Microsoft employees whose portfolios were just Kinect games. Tl;dr Capcom certainly had Capcom Vanvouver doing nothing aside from 2 failing games, but the thing that severely crippled them was Microsoft's intrusion on CV's flagship franchise.
@111cvb1116 жыл бұрын
20:30 - I would say because you don't have to put much effort in watching a bad movie, but you have to put in quite a bit of effort to play a bad game.
@benhramiak87816 жыл бұрын
Theres also the channels on youtube that map out the choices you make.
@Furymgs36 жыл бұрын
I don't think the fact that people only heard good things about WD's final season was indicative of any real change in Telltale's formula anyway. It's the final season of the series, which means that it automatically dodges a lot of the other games' issues regarding player choices. Since there's no sequel to worry about, and no branches to trim in the end, the writers probably had a lot more freedom to do whatever they wanted than in previous games and seasons. So yeah, it would have been a refreshing change from the usual Telltale formula, for sure, but they probably would have been back to the same old stuff with the next game or licence, back to the limitations of their episodic design. I've heard that they're looking into finishing WD without the original team. What worries me a little bit is that if it ends up being better than usual, with choices that really matter and actually varied endings, players will take this as proof that these issues were the original team's fault, rather than something inherently allowed by the fact the final season is indeed the FINAL season.
@ViciousArcanum6 жыл бұрын
Dead rising series has been on a steep decline after DR2 and series sales have been piss-poor, it's sad but the studio has been a complete detriment to Capcom after so many opportunities for success that it just made sense to dissolve the studio.
@originalscreenname446 жыл бұрын
I didn't even think the first one was that good. I spent most of my time wondering why that game kept getting a massive push while RE just kept getting shittier.
@SecondCitySavior69696 жыл бұрын
Woo, boy, Imma make DR3 X1 exclusive, sure will be a huge hit
@wrequiem17276 жыл бұрын
originalscreenname44 So because you didn't like DR... you wondered why other people did? Also the only thing DR and RE have in common are zombies so I don't see it's relevance
@originalscreenname446 жыл бұрын
(1)I wondered why other people did because the games weren't good. They were totally aimless and were boring most of the time since the majority of what you did was try to up your zombie kill count the whole game. It's like they wanted to make a GTA game but up the carnage and had to keep it in a small space as compromise thus limiting what you can do. Even the side things like costumes, psychos, saving survivors, and taking pictures did nothing to get me into the game. (2)Both are essentially survival horror games, though DR is more action oriented. This is during the time were you have DR being just a clownshoes sandbox zombie game while RE was becoming a shitty third person action shooter with practically no focus on the horror elements. Basically, Capcom just refused to make a legit survival horror game under the premise that they didn't sell until they realized they were wrong with RE7.
@wrequiem17276 жыл бұрын
Nice paragraphs. I'll get to reading them later after I decide to care enough. "I don't like this game... Why do other people do? BRING BACK A FRANCHISE I LIKE!"
@GreatgoatonFire6 жыл бұрын
SBCG4AP seems to have dodged that "formula" problem by being accualy episodic with just some nods to previous episodes.
@2ndToLast5016 жыл бұрын
If they moved their studio out of San Francisco they could've actually made a profit.
@crazytracks6 жыл бұрын
Whats kind of sad is that personally a reason I never wanted to buy Telltale games was both what seemed like a constant flood of titles from the studio releasing simultaneously and also how the release schedule for individual episodes frequently missed release dates and were pushed back sometimes months past when they were supposed to be playable. Hearing that the company was basically in permanent crunch mode really hurts because even when it came to series I was actually interested in playing, their inability to consistently release episodes not only on schedule but also that weren't riddled with bugs and glitches was entirely because the upper management of the company was stomping down on the entire dev team, desperate to capitalize on hot properties before people would lose interest post TWD season 1. I know its basically hindsight armchair dev suggestions at this point, but what I always wanted from Telltale was for them to lower the episode count during each games "season" from 5 down to 3 while still keeping the same length overall. That way episodes would be waaaaay longer and have a lot more gameplay and they wouldn't have to set up episode ending stingers and cliffhangers so often to try and entice people to buy the next episode. Regardless its super sad to see a company basically invent a formula that other companies picked up and ran with while they failed to really find their footing. Hopefully everyone at Telltale lands on their feet at another job sooner rather than later.
@mgibuk6 жыл бұрын
I've bought all telltale games apart for batman and minecraft and if I've not played the game before I've seen an LP of it I've always postponed watching that LP for fear of if effecting my decision making, I decided that after watching these guys play WD season 1 where they were ragging on Kenny, I was so glad I played it myself first. The problem I find with telltale games is that decision making doesn't effect the play through as much it would lead you to believe so there's no incentive for people to play it after watching an LP and there's little replay value.
@anachronologist20176 жыл бұрын
Its sad we live in a timeline where Telltale shut down in part due to its runaway succesd, but D4 never got a fair chance.
@d.c.stranded71346 жыл бұрын
Yaiba is underrated IMO and apparently there's some weird interesting lawsuit-drama-involving-history surrounding Spark Unlimited, Activision and Call of Duty Finest Hour
@chrislee52686 жыл бұрын
The canon ending to TWD series is Clem walking into the sunset with Kenny while the American national anthem plays and B-51 fighters do flight runs overhead, fucking fight me if you disagree.
@DonUmbra23466 жыл бұрын
I bought Enter the Gungeon thanks to best friends videos. I know that's only one data point but for what its worth I think lets plays have a net positive effect on game sales, and at my worst estimate I would say they're only neutral.
@quincallahan63236 жыл бұрын
I don't know what the heck they were even thinking with Dead Rising's direction after 2 (and 2s spinoffs and stuff). Some people like 3, even though it abandoned a lot of the stuff fans love, and everything after that was basically an insult to fans.
@Leaintheknight6 жыл бұрын
I think half the games in my steam library ive bought because ive watched a best friends lp and wanted to play along with their videos.
@jacobcantrell825 жыл бұрын
Kenny was right all along
@Comkill1176 жыл бұрын
28:38 Seeing Brainscratch Commentaries play DMC1 made me buy the HD collection a few years back. Now it’s my favorite series. Hell after seeing you guys play God Of 4 I decided to give it a chance (wasn’t sold on the new style, as I prefer the older PS2 versions) so I’d say LPs can help games. Of course on the other hand, yeah after seeing these types of games I’ll admit I didn’t bother because they didn’t look like my kind of game (maybe indigo prophecy spoiled the genre for me idk). Really suck to see this happen and I do hope that the good Devs from Telltale can find work on games or what have you that can both support them, as well as be something they like doing. I think they deserve that at least after a good 7 year long crunch. Just remember though: at least Gearbox is always looking for talent.