Surrey Quays Contrasts 1990 - 2011

Using footage from early 1990 and also 2010 / 2011 plus still images from 2007 this film shows various trains at Surrey Quays station in London.
In the London Underground era we see A stock trains, whilst in the London Overground era we see Class 378 'Capitalstar' trains.
The A stock trains are seen in three different liveries, these being 'blue door', 'blue stripe upper half of bodysides' and the 'red doors plus cab front / blue stripe on lower body sides' which later became the corporate livery.
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Originally called 'Deptford Road' this station was built by the East London Railway Company (ELR) and opened in December 1869.
In July 1911 it was renamed 'Surrey Docks', in reference to the nearby, now closed, Surrey Commercial Docks.
In October 1989 it was further renamed 'Surrey Quays' following the construction of the nearby Surrey Quays Shopping Centre.
The ELR was owned by a consortium of six railway companies, one of which (the Metropolitan Railway) electrified this line in 1911, introducing through trains to Hammersmith (via Kings Cross) which became 'peak hours only' in 1936 and were withdrawn in 1941.
Other railway company steam (and in the British Railways era diesel) goods trains continued to use this line until 1962, with BR passenger trains finally being withdrawn in 1966.
This line was closed from 1995 to 1998 for route
improvement works which (mostly) did not happen.
To facilitate its rebuilding to become part of the
London Overground network Surrey Quays station
and the ELL closed on the 22nd December 2007 -
just in time for the 'end of year' holiday season.
Given that most of the country shuts down over the holidays it has to be wondered just how much work
simply had to be done / was actually done in the next few weeks that could not have waited so as to avoid disrupting passengers' travel plans over the holidays?
Media reports suggest 'very little, if any'.
In April 2010 it reopened as part of the London Overground network.

[@qdog568]

I'm fascinated by the London Underground.

[@TrainBusFan06]

The east london line must have been a joy to ride on back then, with the rugged a stock trains and the stylish old stations. Shame I never got to experience it and now never will...

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

The A stock trains have gone but (at present) the stations are largely the same. However I recall reading somewhere that this station (Surrey Quays) is going to be rebuilt.

[@andydrew2003]

Being the second shortest LU line, it probably didn't have as much delays, or I could just be being a bit biased as it was my local Tube line.

[@Twittler1]

I was in Lisbon a few years ago, and I noticed that on a couple of the city’s tram lines, the antique cars have had their original running gear replaced with refurbished power bogies from the old A Stock LUL trains! Same motors though, one bogie per tram (the really old ones, which are all 4 wheelers). Then I noticed that the old 4 wheel cars on some other lines have had their running gear replaced with C Stock bogies. All the cars are suspended by a leaf spring at each corner of the bogie. So if anyone’s that attached to the old LUL sub-surface stock, you can go to Lisbon and see/hear bits of them still running.

[@mappman1000]

Nice video, some random gave the camera a cheeky wave at 01:55, was the first clips before the A stock was refurbished?

[@bucephalus00]

Imagine if they'd kept it as underground when extending the line... we would have A-Stock rocking up at Croydon and Highbury and Islington at some point

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Alas, the A stock were doomed, due to advancing age and needing new bogies. We would have had S Stock on these routes instead!

[@efuller2]

Great film!

[@angelmanuelbelioolaciregui7254]

Muy bonito video, qué contraste con la diferencia de años. Enhorabuena y gracias por lo que haces.

[@marioalexanderski9598]

Farewell London Underground Surrey Quays (AKA Deptford Road) 1869-2010

[@samuelinit]

Wow, great video. I pretty much use this station everyday! (: Did they replace the motors on the A stock? They sound different.

[@TrainsInTheSouthWest]

wow it really is strange to see how health and safety and all that changes the image and how the image of the trains look i am only 15 but i would love to got back to the 1990 to see how its changed great video

[@theplayer57saywhat.65]

Trains In The South West. It’s changed by they are gone

[@dvnupldr]

i've always wondered what those pillars in the middle were about

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

@JeffOrnstein01 Thanks, I'm pleased you found it to be of interest. re: the name 'Overground', it was chosen to complement the existing and well-known 'Underground'. re: the seating, its not liked by everyone. Even though most Underground trains (A Stock excepted) are like this many people would have been happier if the Overground 378's had some cross-seating - emulating the new Overground diesel trains on the Barking - Gospel Oak service.

[@Trainlevel2]

Woah! what livery is the second train painted in? Very good video by the way! :D

[@oludotunjohnshowemimo434]

Just like the Hammersmith and City line, the East London line was also part of the Metropolitan line.

[@Zlervo]

I like the old trains. I'll give anything to be able to travel on them again

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

alas, they were all scrapped, because of asbestos and the lack of somewhere to store them it was too expensive and difficult to preserve any of them.

[@SharkVaderYT]

@@CitytransportInfoplus what is asbestos

[@Dolemaster124]

Hey so why did the train loose current at 5:41 and why does the motors sound really really loud?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

I was hoping someone would tell me that! Alas, I have no idea.

[@Dolemaster124]

@@CitytransportInfoplus I think its the current rail switching

[@2259Ben]

Thank you so much for these video's, very detailed and thorough.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

@nasansia Instead of just having paper timetables showing the times the trains are supposed to come, 'real-time' information tells waiting passengers when they will actually come. Often the information displays also advise of delays and other important travel information (such as planned closures). Inside the trains the information tells passengers the name of the next station and name of the destination for the train - helping the passengers ensure that they are on the correct train.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

@spartan117ism in what context? Historically (ie: since 'steam train' days) this route has always been served by a mix of railway companies. Although only Overground trains now use it the entire East London Line service uses a unique mix of Network Rail and Transport For London (who 'own' London Underground) infrastructure. Elsewhere in London Overground & Underground trains provide joint (shared) services, albeit solely on Network Rail metals.

[@TrainBusFan06]

Back then people appear to be dressed 10 times nicer than today. No hoodies, shorts, flip flops, etc...

[@solarpenguin1]

Why did they get rid of the crossover at the northern end of the platforms? It would've been useful in case of disruption etc.

[@nasansia]

what does real time passenger information mean? Are they just the announcements

[@kinkisharyocoasters]

5:42 I never rode A stock, but was it usual for the lights to blink on the power supply gaps? Just like old trains here in New York. I know it was common on 1959 and 1962 tube trains.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

kinkisharyocoasters Hi there, yes it was.

[@kinkisharyocoasters]

citytransportinfo Then why did it only happen in the first car?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

kinkisharyocoasters probably it happened to all four but since the power pick up shoes were only on the end two cars (first and last) so this was not seen in the others.

[@NetworkerExpress]

Probably explains it.A stock trains were built in the 60s.

[@Great_WesternTVFan]

kinkisharyocoasters d and c stocks do as well. It's natural. Because the circuits are luce while rattling.

[@owenchuarbx]

@citytransportinfo (NRS)National Rail Service on some areas of the Bakerloo line

[@theplayer57saywhat.65]

Aventanario or two stations with national rail

[@owenchuarbx]

The A Stock didn't make any noise on the motors nowadays

[@goatgamer001]

I was born like 2 weeks after the closure of east London underground

[@travia6688]

Why did they re brand and extend it?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

The ELL always a hybrid line, for most of its life carrying electric London Transport trains as well as steam (and later diesel) mainline railway passenger and goods trains. The East London Railway Company was jointly owned by six railway companies, two of which ended up in London Transport and the rest in British Railways. The line was rebuilt and extended for several reasons which included bringing back to life a section of closed railway (in north London), improving travel connections on a north - south basis within London and also to reduce the number of south London trains serving London Bridge station at a time when it was about to be rebuilt.

[@travia6688]

citytransportinfo thanks!

[@TrainsInTheSouthWest]

is it me or Have the Underground trains got longer over the years

[@theplayer57saywhat.65]

Trains In The South West. No

[@Twittler1]

And 6 cars on the Hammersmith & City and Circle Lines, and the Wimbledon branch of the District Line. The platforms from Edgware Road to High Street Kensington are too short for 7/8 car trains.

[@owenchuarbx]

Do London Overground and London Underground work together?

[@theplayer57saywhat.65]

Aventanario I feel like a no but the underground connects with the overground on some stations

[@ruairievans]

The District line shares tracks with the Overground from Gunnersbury to Richmond and so does the Bakerloo line from Queens Park to Harrow & Wealdstone.

[@owenchuarbx]

A stocks didn't even make motor noises a few years before their retire completely

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

The A stock trains came in two different variants, these being A 60 and A62, which relates to the two production batches from when London Transport bought them, and I'm told that one of the few differences between them was that one had much noiser motors than the other.

[@Great_WesternTVFan]

Aventanario yes they do . They have the C/D stock motors

[@Great_WesternTVFan]

Class 387, Heathrow express train class I can't remember, and class 357 have the same motor sound. Why is y hat?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

The Electrostar train family includes Classes 357, 375, 376, 377, 378, 379 and 387. So essentially they are all the same trains but with different train ends and internal seating layouts. This would also explain why they sound so similar to each other!

[@Great_WesternTVFan]

citytransportinfo what about the Heathrow express train?

[@Great_WesternTVFan]

citytransportinfo what about class 322

[@Great_WesternTVFan]

citytransportinfo or 332?

[@james123212]

there is also some equipment difference between the older Electrostar classes and the new ones one example is that 387s are electrically incompatible 377 so coupling of the two classes can only be done in emergencies. The 332s were built by CAF and Siemens in Spain there not part of any named family for the information available the only similar train is the Class 333 which is built to a similar design and runs in west and north Yorkshire. The motor sound on all the classes can vary a bit but without going into detail the similar sound caused by the AC motors and traction equipment used on modern or retrofitted stock.

[@instinct_yt281]

5:36

[@denzil1001]

look at 1:54 man waving

[@brandonrice5991]

YEAH I KNOW

[@Great_WesternTVFan]

I mean why is that?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

In what context?

[@Great_WesternTVFan]

I spelt it wrong when I was asking the electrostar family

[@denzil1001]

0:37 ergging

[@Fookracists]

trains have less carriges

[@bowlerstuff9589]

yes and He gets footage from other people

[@nicolasblume1046]

The new trains have fewer doors than the old ones 🙄 not a good idea