Swedish Air Force Dogfight | Viggen Vs Gripen | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

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On this channel we like to do a lot of dogfighting most videos are some sort of dogfight between 2 different aircraft as we explore their different capabilities. From time to time I like to dabble in Virtual Reality, I think VR is a great new technology and I love to show that stuff off for the channel from time to time.
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[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Check out the Merch Store: growling-sidewinder.creator-spring.com/ American Murder Hornet Hoodie: growling-sidewinder.creator-spring.com/listing/american-murder-hornet-bluepri?product=227 Nice long video today since I was really enjoying flying the viggen I think I'm really starting to take a liking to this thing, thank you for watching and a big thank you to spoky for helping with this video.

[@adriansdr]

sup

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Sven Bangström banhammering the crap out of those compressor stalls merch when? :D

[@gurukn]

You're liking the Viggen? I think you're actually starting to like Sven. The guy risks his life to kick your engine back to life unlike a certain RIO that punches out at the first sign of trouble. ;)

[@debbiestimac5175]

@@gurukn As a female pilot, you just hope Sven has some rhythm back there while he is hammering!

[@gurukn]

@@debbiestimac5175 lol...

[@therealad1238]

"I got a pretty good engine except when it compressor stalls" *compressor stalls instantly*

[@AndreasSweden]

I live in Sweden, by the coast. And when i was a kid in the 80s, i was standing in the window looking out over the sea. And i saw this dot over the horizon that kept getting bigger and bigger. Then it just expanded in to a Viggen at absurdly low altitude that flew right over my house. I could see every detail under it and the noise was deafening. It felt like the whole house was shaking. This was one of the best moments in my childhood.

[@sosbabe2804]

How is supersonic flight at that low altitude over residential even legal!

[@AndreasSweden]

@@sosbabe2804 I doubt it was that fast, but it was very low. But it was a different airforce back then. Training was way more extreme with lower altitudes and more planes involved, and there was a lot more accidents, with a bit over 600 casualties from the conception of the swedish air force up to the 90s. Different times. I do remember some supersonic flights, but they were over the sea. But it was the low level flights that were the most memorable.

[@MrZnarffy]

@@AndreasSweden They regularly flew Viggens at mach 0.95 at 30 feet off the ground... When I did my military service I had a recon one fly straight over me when I was out in the field.. It was at treetop level, and HUGE.. scared the bejesus out of me as it literally came out of nowhere and then was gone...

[@AndreasSweden]

@@MrZnarffy They are rather imposing when at 30 feet lol. I was at P7 Revingehed in '93, and the most exiting thing i saw was a helicopter. However, on my second day, this one dude in my platoon went to poop in the woods. Shortly after he left we heard the the noise of APC's and our dude came running for his life with his pants half down, toilet paper flying in the wind, frantically screaming "THE TANKS ARE COMING" as the APC's slowly rolled by him. The roofs were open on the APC's and amused soldiers was looking down on him and cheering him on as he was running for his life. Another golden memory from the Swedish military.

[@mrvintherfpv9954]

I remember a Viggen dogfight just above my schoolyard, made the classroom windows vibrating with a horrible sound. Lots of amused children and annoyed teachers.

[@Verminator4]

The Viggen's the world's deadliest glider for about 50% of the time

[@BadAtWarThunder2006]

I love the image of Sven just hanging on to the side beating the engine with a wrench

[@jakubwisniewski9643]

Damn I thought he's just kicking it

[@nikolak5003]

Who is sven

[@jakubwisniewski9643]

@@nikolak5003 I see you're new 'round here It's about the compressor stalls of viggen which sounds like kicking the engine

[@nikolak5003]

@@jakubwisniewski9643 yeah i know that but who is sven? Hes viso or something

[@jakubwisniewski9643]

@@nikolak5003 u know it's a joke??? Right?

[@gabeburchert99]

"He almost died" That's a fancy way of saying you missed

[@air-headedaviator1805]

😆😆😆

[@pcsecuritychannel]

aww, when you let him go the first time after hitting him. That was super nice of you.

[@merct2894]

insert comment of "i didnt expect [channel i like] to be here!"

[@thedishonoredamerican129]

GS definitely is one who has honor. Not sure if many pilots are that merciful.

[@RaderizDorret]

That's how we know that's not Longshot in the Gripen: GS would have kept going until that Gripen was a greasy fireball.

[@benrichey2593]

He has that WW1 approach to air combat.

[@bjornpilot]

Good video and great flying! I flew the viggen in the Swedish airforce and it was an awesome plane for it‘s time. Impressive acceleration with 3s or less for every 100km/h speed increase. Initial turn rate is fine but no chance on a continued fight against a gripen. If you stay low altitude and below 15 aoa you should not have a problem with the engine.

[@crimeaisukraine5578]

"I've always been pleasantly surprised by the Viggen!" Viggen's engine stulls.

[@lukaopalicki519]

i can't help but notice a similarity of dogfighting and chess. Mostly baits and thinking ahead, as well as energy management, which i see as analogy to holding the center of a chess board. That move you showed in Tacview really highlighted that for me. Interesting stuff!

[@Miratesus]

JA-37D Viggen vs JAS-39C Gripen could be a decent dogfight.

[@marcushillerstrom25]

I hope they implement the JA version of the Viggen. Better engine Edit: Or should I say, better Sven?

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

KCA... A/A radar... Skyflash...

[@williamhedrick7983]

Legend has it the oerlikon is a beast!...

[@Asghaad]

@@CakePrincessCelestia AMRAAM ...

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

@@Asghaad An JA-37D with those and a glass cockpit would rock the most, but is much probably less likely to be made than an older JA-37 version with steam gauges and no AMRAAMs. I'd take any, though :)

[@jizburg]

@@CakePrincessCelestia yea the latests ones were used as test platforms for the JAS39 Gripen systems, so they are far superior.

[@ka-50withsaams36]

This is the battle of the Christmas Trees!

[@mcdjay]

13:29 "Looks like that went right into the engine compartment and killed Sven" 😂😂

[@Hornbowman]

Sven in the back kicking the engine back into gear is such a great running joke. Don't ever fire him!

[@Iamtheskidoostig]

At least he doesn't bail like Jester.

[@christerjackson9589]

KOM IGEN SVEN, DU KAN GÖRA DET FÖR I HELVETE, GÖR DET FÖR SVERIGE SVEN!

[@svenpettersson118]

Kämpar hela dagarna🤣🤣

[@christerjackson9589]

@@svenpettersson118 Det gör han, stackars Sven

[@timandshannon03]

May you rest in peace Sven Bangstrum. May your mighty Engine Hammer, bang on in Valhalla. May the knowledge that the Gripen, and your Son, Bjorn Svenson, continues you epic legacy! Friends, raise a glass. Till Valhalla!

[@artokiiskinen1058]

I was at an air show with IRL viggen, afterburners on - that thing was LOUD. Ear ripping.

[@tomas7158]

The trembling pants. I think it was the AJ. A Hornet from you guys and Gripen at end. 👍

[@RandomSwede-1]

Yeah! Viggen is loud, a real ground shaker!

[@MrVein5.0]

lived right next to an military airbase in sweden my entire life, (not military any more now) but i still remember the Draken flying over the house at full blast. man i miss that.

[@tr6431]

I remember during the cold war, when the airforce had a night exercise above Stockholm ( somewhere in the early - mid 80's ). Imagine waking up in the middle of the night because Viggens where scrambled and flew right above your apartment. It scared the hell out of my poor mother :D

[@jorgenpersson662]

Remember this is the Attack version of Viggen AJ37 in the newer air to air fighter JA37 the engine stall was much less of an issue.

[@gurukn]

Man, the way you say Sven gets me every single time. "What? My guy is called Sven. You don't have one?"

[@hellcat_axg]

Idk if you know, but if you put your weapon selector to Akan you actually have an A/A Reticle. Attack is your A/G Reticle for the guns

[@ghostviggen]

While the AJ37 was a dedicated strike fighter. The design was good enough to develop a dedicated fighter version. They also considered a redesign Draken for that task.

[@jerrodcorey25]

8:37 MAD RESPECT. I LOVE THAT YOU SPARED HIM

[@JETZcorp]

This is like a cockfight between a second-rate chicken and a harpy eagle.

[@JC-uk8lp]

Other pilots: Deadstick landing 😬 GS: Pfffft, try deadstick dogfighting 🤪

[@meanderingmarley3910]

During the pre-mission briefing, someone told Sven that this was to be a Fox2 fight, so he worked to keep the exhaust signature down.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Treachery and doom!

[@speedpuppy638]

Memorial: Almost 1,5 years since Sven past away. He really loved that engine and his wrench. 😢

[@rododendron85]

GS before the fight,:do you want to select additional challanges? Clicks on random engine shut downs. Sure why not.

[@benh745]

I love this! 2 beauties in one vid. You can clearly see where the Gripen's roots came from. The Sweeds are masters in what they do.

[@stradaniya]

Rest in peace Sven, you'll be remembered forever.

[@barrylucas3830]

dude the fans live for that third round!

[@LIKWID]

That 3rd round engine drama cracked me up 😂 always the entertainer dude 😎👍

[@Meatlooaf]

Both Viggen and Gripen are multi-role. Viggen was feared by our neighbours because if its short scramble and excellent interception capabilities. Gripen does all that too but is smaller and more agile and also quite sneeky :)

[@AlbertLloydy]

Great fight! I really appreciate how good you describe the strategies.

[@Trains-With-Shane]

I've always thought that the Viggen was a very cool looking plane due to those massive canards.

[@jackozbloke5079]

I really wished they made a JA(C or later) or AJS variants for DCS, later in life the thing carried AMRAAMS and with an instantaneous turn of around 25 degrees* a second, all with an improved RM8B engine would be fantastic.

[@Asghaad]

this is AJS ...

[@tr6431]

@@Asghaad The AJS and the JA are two totally different airplanes. They may look the same but underneath they are not....

[@Asghaad]

@@tr6431 "totally different" is bit of the stretch, JA is the same airframe with minor modifications, slightly better engine and radar. its like calling F-4C and F-4E "totally different aircraft". its still a Viggen, its aerodynamics are neraly identical, its flight characteristics are slightly better due to the better engine and it has better provisions for guns. frankly the largest difference between JA and AJ is the radar lastly you missed the point, the OP asked for "AJS variant" which is the variant in DCS being flown here, also made a mistake because only JA-37 had the improved engine and the only variant capable of carrying AMRAAMs was the JA-37D

[@tr6431]

@@Asghaad The Ja IS a totally different plane from the aj / ajs. It has a longer airframe, different engine, different avionics, different radar, different rudder on the wings, different weapons capabillities, it has a fixed radar guided cannon mounted under the fuselage, more defence systems, more hardpoints etc...

[@jonnyj.]

@@Asghaad Nope. The ja is a TOTALLY different airplane. In literally every way. From the computers, to the hud, to the radar, to the missiles, to the gun, to the fuselage, to the wings, to the ecm, to the partial fbw...

[@narcissus79]

*looks over the shoulder* "Oh that looks like my wing..."

[@sethjansson5652]

Phly and GSW playing the Viggen?! Impossibru!

[@O.padula]

A dogfight between Gripen E and Rafale would be nice!

[@Asghaad]

Rafale would absolutely murder Gripen

[@the80386]

I love the Gripen silhouette! Really interesting shape, even among the deltas.

[@VapingHolograms]

Sven must have dropped his wrench.

[@iamcino]

the Sedin brothers having a scuffle

[@calimdonmorgul7206]

Viggen is like watching Thomas Müller play football with those compressor stalls. Somehow perhaps because of the confusion he causes he still scores.

[@joepapp01]

Great vid, GS. I love the multi-round fights, and always watch 'em to the end!

[@cryx4]

the interceptor variant of the viggen would be so cool

[@plymouth3011]

The SAAB HQ would've been pretty mad right now if the fight went the other way. After all, the Gripen was built upon the lessons learnt from the Viggen

[@alternateacc6867]

I actually live in the town (Linköping) where they make the JAS 39 gripen. Love the videos

[@kozak1789]

This video just proves that the air superiority Viggen would be a beast in DCS, I really hope it will show up in the future

[@querpa]

Every time he touches the stick the engines fucking shut off.

[@NobleHusky]

Viggen - You Gripen - The guy your girlfriend tells you not to worry about

[@hansericsson7058]

I remember as a child in Sweden we learned to hear the difference between viggen and draken and a viggen flying low was loud.

[@henrikl1394]

You really need the JA 37 with the upgraded engine . Then You got 2 Svens that keep it alive ;-)

[@modillo1986]

There was an incident where a sr-71 had an engine failure over Russia, it was still able to fly but it was slow. Sweden came to the rescue with a flight of the viggins, the Soviet pilots were scared spittles of the viggin and boogied out of swedish airspace. It likes to go really fast.

[@jizburg]

You are realy making sven work overtime back there.

[@nathanaelgilkes4412]

According to Growling sidewinder on the 2/10/2021 the Viggen is no longer an aircraft...but a phenomenon

[@hietaniemiwaltteri]

That nose dump bait was incredible 9000 IQ move!

[@brownmold]

Awesome flying, and clear explanations, as always. Almost has me thinking this dog fighting stuff is easy.....

[@swedishbones8937]

As a swede I approve of this! A homage to all compressor stall Svens out there, making the Viggen fly.

[@thewanderinggrasshopper4792]

Pilot friend: Those planes look totally different, super distinct. The planes:

[@MrRagequitnow]

I always have loved the Viggen. The Saab commercials for the car name Viggen, with the jet in the back ground. I still want one of them, even though they are supposed to be really crap cars.

[@MrBlue-dm5li]

Saab 900 Turbo Aero/Viggen🤤

[@jungletroll3844]

i thought they where supposed to be good

[@Douganchesner]

They’re not crap cars at all. I owned one, super fun and fast

[@flightcrash001]

He was casually like " Oh, look at my wing"

[@ChalcedonXXX]

That engine compressor is a real nuisance!

[@riman8493]

I think Sven was having a chat with the union there, in the third round... something about not being ejected from the aircraft in the first round, when GS bailed....? =)

[@tomas7158]

That was an insane move but gutsy. And Y almost got noseon as a glider. Glad you like them. Not sure about the boresight but its there 👍

[@IceyJones]

the always stalling engine would drive me nuts

[@avramnovorra]

I liked how you made Spoky work for his kill, he had to earn it 🤙 I can only imagine the wonders of the Saab 35 Draken now...

[@SentinelDoggo]

You let him go, I fully expected you to end him after you were bullying the f-14 and f-18 with the f22 “panic flares, that’s what I like to see”

[@jizburg]

You should realy bind the restart button to your HOTAS, that makes it slightly more reliable to get it started. I think the button is marked "återstart" in the cockpit.

[@svenwesterlund3405]

That's it! Calling the Navy and ask for a job as a coal stoker... Did enjoy seeing the old Aden Gun clipping the Gripen in round 2 though.

[@yeetforever4425]

2:11 “I’ll make this Viggen think that I’m opening up all kinds of angles” you’re in the Viggen

[@therealad1238]

Damn bro Sven vs Bjorn, fight of the Titans

[@sentientbattleship1882]

10:49 It sounds like Sven had a bit too much mead.

[@packrat-y7j]

"Oh, that looks like my wing."

[@danmallery9142]

That engine sounds like you are washing a pair of sneakers on the high setting...

[@tedarcher9120]

Grippen be like: Do it again, but better!

[@paulspahn4529]

I don't watch your content to let him go. Just kidding I am absolutely Overjoyed to see some sportsmanship here that was wonderful to see

[@franklinhadick2866]

I stay to the end because I learn everytime I watch your videos.

[@walldermatthew1]

Would love to see Gripen vs Typhoon

[@christianm1533]

A Sven livery for the Viggen would be fitting. :)

[@culloden23]

You need R2-Sven2

[@mattsmedley.onehandedgamin9029]

Would love to watch you fly in, or fight against the English Electric Lightning.

[@briandp0560]

You flying the Viggen only proves...GS is all about the challenge🐍.

[@danield.7359]

3rd round: Sven was busy eating his smørrebrød.

[@stinkyfungus]

Well, after his 2nd bottle of Aquavit he does tend to get a little slower.

[@Anarchy_420]

You did one of my request!!🤯😁👍👍

[@Anarchy_420]

Lol did you really tho??? I'm a man of my word, I've told you several times that if you did just one of my request I'd join, lol kinda doesn't seem like you did this As My Request.... However I'm a man of my word! I shall Subscribe😁✌

[@Anarchy_420]

NEED to try and communicate with your fans a tad bit more bro.... lol we'll see how this Subscription goes🤔

[@Anarchy_420]

Please fly The Mosquito against The Pucara!😁👍

[@winston3840]

Just so you know the viggen does have a radar gunsight however its janky and weird at times but it does exist

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Ya I’m aware but it’s kind of useless tbh lol

[@peedub]

Growling, how is it that you are so knowledgeable about dogfighting? Were/are you a pilot or former fighter pilot? Your understanding of the dogfighting dynamics, the physics,and science behind it seems to be too much for even for the most ardent flight sim enthusiast. Just wondering. I dig your videos man. Such amazing content. Thank you and keep 'em coming.

[@subjectc7505]

Imagine how much you'll get for kicking a engine 😂

[@lawrenceschuman5354]

DCS probably doesn't have it because it was never in service. But I would love to see the Northrup F-20 Tigershark.

[@OddElephantLTU]

The viggen might have Sven but the gripen has a viking in the back

[@AlexKall]

It's got Erik, keeps beating the computers!

[@MrHeuvaladao]

One could say Vegan's flight was kind of anemic.

[@violinbird77]

13:24 Top 10 Saddest Anime Deaths of All Time.

[@wingmanemu3473]

ReAlLy IMpReSsIvE Engine dies seconds later

[@cornbread83]

Viggen vs Draaken would be interesting too.

[@keithlenzner]

Just a suggestion. Pit a Russian Mig 15 against a Corsair F4U-4b. It seems if both have better than average, aggressive pilots this could be interesting, what with the Corsair having 4 20M cannons and a turning radius made to frustrate an early jet jockey.

[@drfill9210]

If you don't know how to keep a consistent speed, how is your opponent supposed to reliably shoot with lead? I think your secret weapon is the compressor stall 😆

[@debbiestimac5175]

Haven't been keeping up lately, sorry Growling! Fixated on 74Crew lately. He's like a jet airlines version of Captain Picard from those old Star Trek shows. Can't look away! Those poor pilots getting shredded by surly ATC controllers! They are the reason new sticks stay away from controlled airspace... egos get trashed on the regular!

[@unlimitedtimez341]

Is that noise actually a dude hitting the engine? If so that's fucking hilarious

[@mrthingy9072]

I wonder if someone were to put a better engine in the Viggen, if it would perform well enough to be competitive. Upgrade the electronics and engine and maybe it would be interesting. Would be neat to have a "sandbox" on aircraft where you can try different engines, avionics and electronics packages and so forth, to see how older aircraft would perform with upgrades.

[@ratboy_]

I like the way you speak, Mr. Sidewinder

[@aviationgaming1564]

We all need a Sven in our life