Swing the Whole Club - Not the Club Head weight!

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[@815TeeTimeInc]

Hi there.… I don’t know if you remember me. But I am in LPGA Professional in Florida and you sent me a pro about two or maybe even three years ago.… I was a student of (Manuel) for over 25 years.… Every single one of my students gets a ball on a string as a gift from me when they start with me.… I knew I liked the pro from the beginning because of the ball on the string.… Well done young man. Keep it up.

[@danmartingolf]

Thanks, Trish! Keep up the great work as well!

[@Eric-zk2hu]

815 tee time Trish Beucher teaches a swing the whole golf club method that is based on De La Torre's methods which she refers to "swing, swing" or swing back and swing forward. So the concept is kind of like a playground swing where everything starts from the top as the thing you are swinging transitions from back ward to forward, then its one swing all the way to the finish "top" without trying to use wrist levers to accelerate the club at the bottom or hitting at impact. So its kind of like your chipping drill if you just swing the club back and forth 1 or 2 feet you would just transition from back swing to forward swing and commit to it or trust it and just swing thru, its kind of like committing or trusting the swing right from the top and swinging thru impact swinging the whole club all the way from start to finish?? your thoughts??

[@danmartingolf]

Eric, event though we want to put order to the events of.a swing, the extending of the radius of rotation and the rotation of our body around a vertical axis is simultaneous. Because the wrists are hinged folding the club closer to the vertical axis, the natural extension of the radius from the conservation of angular momentum unhinges the wrists for us - you never need to force it. I like the idea of a player letting the arms and club kind of fall like a playground swing as an image, especially if they try to force the turn of their body in the forward swing! Thanks!

[@Murf1802]

Hey Dan, i love going back and watching you're video over, of course i miss alot of little pionts you make, anyway i wanted to make another comment about a short game video ive been checking out. the guys name is the short game chef, idk a guess a cool name, he teaches some tour pros along with amateur golfers, what he's talking about with the short game i believe, matches your teaching, its much more of a body rotation coming in shallower and having more spin and control than the chip thats steep and more of a downward blow that would use wrist hing and a bigger back swing, hes proven already that shorter shallower back swing can produce great spin with much better distance control. idk i thought of your theory while listening to him talk about the swing. i sure you know who he is just wondering what you're thoughts were on what hes teaching? Thanks Dan , be safe and please keep bring you're teaching out to the public, is so on piont, that in my eyes there is no debate on how to properly swing a golf club.

[@suncoast63]

Two things I have always struggled with in Manuel's "Understanding The Golf Swing" book are "swing the whole club" and use your arms to start the downswing. Your concept of "swing the whole club" is very helpful. I still struggle with his definition of the arms (point between elbow and shoulder), since isolating movement in that specific area in my mind does not come easy. I recently purchased the PRO in order to help me with developing this feeling. Now I just need to be persistent in my practice for developing this feeling.

[@danmartingolf]

Keith, I would lose the idea of swinging with your arms (in the forward swing) because to move your arms relative to the line of gravity of your body requires you allow two things. The fall of gravity in transition which slings the club close to your line of gravity + the inertia created by rotating. If you use your muscles to “try” to swing your arms you will create a momentary acceleration which stalls the inertial flow of extending to the ball. That’s why effort and thinking how to move are destructive. The PRO when kept in alignment with zero angle between the grip and the rope allow you to see if this is done correctly. Manuel likely “felt” an arm swing when in reality he was just moving effortlessly and efficiently! Thx and keep on working!

[@tendaisav]

Just started watching you. I don’t have the pro, but I’ll be ordering one as a token of my gratitude. In any case this instruction has been extremely helpful. My pitching with the same motion is going 150 yards from 135 yards. Currently using a rope to simulate what the pro does, its not perfect but it helps conceptually.

[@danmartingolf]

Awesome! Glad to help - the PRO will help you even more as it's cues are essential to seeing and feeling what absolute freedom in a golf swing truly is!

[@nblademan]

I can get this to work better when I reduce my grip pressure to almost feel like the club is just enough to stop the club flying out of my hands. Is this correct because plenty of other KZbinrs say you should do the opposite ie hold the club with an 8 out of 10 grip pressure.

[@danmartingolf]

Grip pressure, i find for most, absolutely needs to be on the light side. But, if you really know how to free up ALL the joints in your body, you can smash it with a firm grip too! For example, a hockey player cannot benefit from the suppleness of the wrist joints, but all the other joints in their slap shot motion (if they are elite) are very, very supple.

[@chuckross8839]

How do you create speed , how do you get faster and faster ?

[@danmartingolf]

The speed is already in you - it's about learning to train your nervous system to let go! Let me pose this question: if you want to walk faster how do you do it?

[@georgetinwick3450]

Forgot to include things like how other pros focus on the wrists in the takeaway and downswing affect the clubhead and face thus drawing more attention to the club head itself all i can think about from their teachings it clubhead and plane mostly clubhead

[@dogloverjb6873]

In easier terms.... Manuel del Torro swing.... keep the hands passive (inactive) as your arms swing the "whole club" to the top of your other shoulder. The role of the hands is to hold the club...nothing else... they remain passive throughout the swing...they only "react" to the swinging of the club. The hands don't swing the club, the upper arms do.

[@danmartingolf]

I like Manuel's teaching and his simple images/feels, but they really aren't what is happening (in my opinion) in a golf motion. The muscles in the arms do not swing the golf club - that was simply an image or feel that Manuel used to convey some simplicity. The physics of the most efficient golf swing has the arms and golf club unfolding as a part of the extension from the rotation of the body. This creates an illusion of a "swing" but it's simply an unfolding of the arms and the club relative to the entire rotation of the whole system. Now, keeping a focus on a "feel" of the upper arms swinging would actually require rotation and extension to produce an effortless and efficient motion! So if that image works for anyone, I'm totally good with it! Thanks!

[@steveregotti8542]

Dan would you say trying to move the club with your arms is a bad idea??? It seems when I swing the club one handed with just my left arm-- chest rotation happens first than the arms go????

[@danmartingolf]

It's best to approach the swing as a simultaneous action - so being aware of the arms and their motion relative to the extending of the radius of the swing is great! But I would strongly avoid trying to think of the swing as one motion causes the other - that is the illusion of a swing but certainly not the experience of when it is working at the best. Your arms and club will feel ridiculously light and unrestricted when you got the right motion!

[@Murf1802]

Dan Thank you as usual, outstanding knowledge of body movement, Dan when they speak about hand and Arm speed, im assuming that the speed from your hands and arms has to match your body rotation? like you stated you lead with the body to start the down swing but we can't just rely on body rotation for speed, so what I'm understanding from your pro is whatever body rotation you have can be matched by hand and arm speed? Broad statement I know, that's the short version,, if I'm understand the forces correctly!! If you get a chance to answer thank you, I must say not only did I learn how to swing a golf club correctly from your videos, it's helped my games with consistency and not getting injured from the wrong movement, which I don't think is talked about enough , the proper swing so we don't injury ourselves, I see the tour pros with this side bends,and all kinds of movements that I will never be able to do , 57 years old first of all, there's no way ,this guy's are the best in the world practicing there profession everyday, Great video one more thing I've never hit the ball straighter or further in my life,, practicing what you teach!!

[@danmartingolf]

Kevin, as the radius of the folded swing extends from the transfer of momentum, the spin of the body is actually slowing. This is the conservation of angular momentum. When this happens, the every molecule in your arms and the club are affected by this. Any attempt to make the clubhead go faster with your muscles is futile as the maximum speed will be reached by simply letting everything go! You don't try to move your arms and hands faster to match your body rotation, they simply will move as fast as they can based on teaching your nervous system to allow the flow of energy to make the swing. Glad you are having success with your game and your swing!! No matter what, keep doing what you are doing if you are having more fun and hitting it better!

[@rangepro]

That is why the word "DELAY" is not good in golf! But you hear it from the golf channel, ytube and on every driving range in the world! THE MORE you swing the club the faster the head gets to the ball the greater the delay and YOU GET IT FOR FREE! Dan way before you created your (pro) I swung a rope and videoed myself to see it happen! INNER swings the outer!

[@timothyslaughter476]

I always wondered if a training club you can hit balls with thats counter weighted so the grip end is heavier or equal to the clubhead end would work. Obviously ball flight would be muted but you always see drills to turn the club over and take practice swings to hear the swoosh, or even the whippy clubs but you cant hit balls. No disrespect to the pro or rope drills but it just doesn't capture the actual activity we're pursuing. Anyway swinging the entire club mechanism on plane in balance consistently is the goal so gotta find a way. Ive had good success using that DL3 Freddy Couples drill of swinging like 1/4 speed and just swing the whole club in control no levering at all, and getting the brain to absolutely not care one little bit how far the ball goes or how far offline ir anything else. Just have the brain focus on the whole clib swinging action as we strike the ball almost non chalauntly because really thats the process. The strike is simply a result of the clean full swinging action.

[@petecross22]

I have watched many of Dan’s videos. He’s extremely generous with his information.I own the pro. But what I just could not make sense of is where does the speed come from to produce distance. If you swing this slowly you’re going to hit the ball 50 to 100 yards

[@danmartingolf]

Speed is developed my your relationship to gravity and inertia. The more in tune you get with any motion you have learned in the past, the easier it is to perform it more quickly. The over emphasis on speed to the average golfer simply leads to average golfers trying to muscle their swings even more. When you have the acceleration of gravity and the speed gain from the extending of the radius due to your rotation, you have access to tremendous speed. But your nervous system needs to learn how to let it go - and that is difficult to train at really high speeds, especially if you already over-muscle the swing!

[@petecross22]

@@danmartingolf thank you Dan, this makes sense. In the past 3 weeks I have become more familiar with the feel of swinging through use of the Pro. It’s easy and difficult at the same time. The difficult part comes from breaking the habit of leveraging the golf club.

[@TPH0316]

At the 1.29 mark, doing a version of the old Jim Flick L to L exercise and say, " it looks like a golf swing, but what I am doing is leveraging or pushing the shaft to maneuver the club head." Can you post a short video that shows what this exercise should look like if you did it without the interference? Thanks, Tim

[@danmartingolf]

Tim, I'll put one up as a "Short" Video on this channel. I've also answered you specifically in CoachNow as part of our group - a great benefit of owning a PRO! Basically when i'm doing that little swing drill in this video, I'm using the shaft's rigidity to "lever" the clubhead and make it "swing". This is what most people try to do to the club that complicates the motion. What should be done is to allow the arms and the club to fall with gravity and the rotation of your body extend it for you. That is what MDT meant by "swinging the whole club!" That will create a "non-flipped" impact position with virtually no effort!

[@TPH0316]

Would you please post a link in the main comments where we can buy the PRO and join CoachNow. Thanks

[@danmartingolf]

www.swingthepro.com CoachNow is accessible for all those that purchase the PRO! Thx!

[@jacobr4558]

Great video! I feel that 90% of golf instruction is backwards. I think new golfers should learn the hands/wrists first then "build" from there.

[@danmartingolf]

I agree - learning the motion and responding to it is how we learn everything we do well!

[@jacobr4558]

That is fantastic wording! Thank you so much.

[@georgetinwick3450]

I have been watching other teachers for the last two years working on plane. takeaway . positions club face which automatically makes one concentrate on the clubhead and face starting at the takeaway foght throught to impact with no montion of not swinging the clubhead tks fir this information i have not improved one ounce in two years iam hoping this secret info will be a big help i just think they forget to explain this portion properly which makes them a poor coach uggh tks again

[@danmartingolf]

Its easier to coach things we can see as "parts" on video. It's tougher to explain concepts of motion and how they work. But I believe that if you understand motion, you have a much greater chance of learning your best swing. After all, you didn't need a walking coach to learn how to walk. You didn't learn to touch your nose by breaking it into positions. As the picture of what must be done gets more clear, our genius learning systems keep getting better and better. This is oft forgotten in golf and many sports coaching.