Why Positions Don't Work - Rotation and extension and their simultaneous relationship in the swing!

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[@davidmcnamara3243]

You are the only instructor online, who tells the truth!!!!

[@christianhanley57]

These intelligent concepts have worked wonderfully for me: greater extension, less immediate effort, smoothness, leveraging natural physics, etc. Thanks!

[@danmartingolf]

Thank you Christian! Happy to help!

[@peterdunn3531]

Dan, I would love to see a 4-5 minute video of your swing, on a loop, and at various speeds from regular to various slow motion speeds. Face on, down the line, and back toward you from along the target line. A ball would not be required. In many of your videos you have tantalizing samples of your swing, but never enough to let me absorb what I am seeing. You have an effortlessness to your swing that most golfers (including the pro’s featured in youtube clips) do mot have. I am sure your subscribers would all make great use of this additional perspective, to go along with all your other teaching videos. Please and thanks a million.

[@danmartingolf]

Thanks for the idea Peter!

[@ianmackinlay8925]

I agree with Peter 👌

[@stan06426]

Have watched a lot of videos but none that makes as much sense as this one. Have ordered the Swing Pro and am looking forward to allowing inertia to do all the work. Thank you.

[@danmartingolf]

Thanks Stan! Feel free to reach out in our Swing the PRO Resources on CoachNow. Always happy to look at a vid and provide some feedback!

[@thomblinn4731]

Bravo!...general yet specific! Thank you

[@peterbutler39]

Love this! case in point... when i do a practice swing its fluid its just motion... when the ball is there it changes to a hit at the ball rather than a fluid motion... these two swings are worlds apart. Great content!

[@danmartingolf]

Thanks Peter - yes, it's tied to the misconception by most players that they can use force through their muscles to accelerate the club. This is impossible as we cannot sustain an acceleration long enough to get the club to any significant speed. Gravity simply doesn't allow it. So our attempts at speeding the club up by "hitting" or "swinging" it actually distort the path and cause friction to the natural speed gain from the outward inertia caused by rotation. Basically, 99% of all golfers rotate and "hit" instead of simply allow their arms and club to unfold and extend to the ball under the fall of gravity.

[@chasingsilvergolf]

Well done, laser focused right into the heart of the matter. Nice channel!

[@edmoreno6926]

Thanks Dan! I have had much success with your teachings. Problem is old habits creep back and I muscle the club. When everything is working results are amazing and truly feels effortless. I will continue to develop this motion unique to me and to obtain the positions we see in video. Much appreciated.

[@danmartingolf]

Thx Ed! Yes we don’t change our existing motor patterns, we simply develop new ones. As the new patterns get more and more focused reps, the stronger and more easily accessible it will become.

[@Ericksonbellgolf]

I would be interested in hearing you talk about where and when force is applied and also not applied in the golf swing. I agree that hitting positions makes no sense, but I think an understanding of the proper use of force could be useful to people especially in terms of getting the club started and in the transition

[@tylerpohler3271]

I've had the pro for about 18 months now, and I spend about an hour a day. Just hitting the little target it comes with, and essentially internally adopting the Moe Norman mindset where he would say something along the lines at the range "always in the middle goes exactly where I want it" which has definitely yielded much better and consistent golf scores, in which I think a lot of it has to deal with the pro actively creating the correct motion than my brain getting the extra reinsurance when I hit the middle of the little Target each time

[@danmartingolf]

Very cool! Thx for sharing!

[@ikigai47]

Good thoughts Dan. Maybe one day you can film yourself playing 9 or 18 holes!

[@hiranm8944]

‘Weightless feel’. Great concept to understand - can you go into more detail in a video?

[@anthonyviola9400]

Very helpful vid lesson ! Thanks!

[@stuartalexander4519]

Thanks Dan great Video

[@golfdoc1950]

My Pro came in the mail today. Obviously, I'll be experiencing how it feels to swing in the coming weeks but I have one question about the duration of adding energy to the swing system. At some point, I will have arrived at the proper energy level and my arms and the club will extend away from my torso, will there be a physical cue or a feeling for me to react to at that point? It seems to me that continuing to rotate faster will be counterproductive, correct? My question may not have an easy answer I realize. My intuition tells me when I've arrived at P-6 additional energy isn't needed and may be counterproductive. Thanks. Looking forward to using the Pro.

[@danmartingolf]

Awesome! Thx for purchasing! Be sure you download the my true swing app. Use it as a guide to get started. It’s best to not have any preconceived notions about what you think you will or will not need to do. Experience is very individualized. The most crucial thing is to take the time to learn how to swing it such that no angle forms between the grip and the rope. Once you can do that you’ll have a reliable model of how your swing works. And yes, all the energy you need in the swing is already in you. Rotating faster will not be counterproductive if the whole system is in balance. Or another way to say it is you cannot rotate faster if you are using your muscles to try to speed up any individual part of your swing. Anytime you create an imbalance you slow the system down. The PRO in straight alignment lets you know that your whole body is cooperating simultaneously with the acceleration of gravity and how it naturally transfers outwards from your line of gravity.

[@supplehons4662]

It would be really interesting to know what highly skilled golfers like Tour pros look like when they swing the Pro. Would they pretty much keep it straight the whole time when they are going full out with a driver or long iron or would they apply force at some point in the downswing that would create an angle that would only straighten at impact? Would it only remain straight the whole time if they were hitting wedges and short irons and concentrating more on rhythm and accuracy vs. power?

[@danmartingolf]

You actually can't swing the PRO at full speed because of air resistance - but if you were in a vacuum, a tour pro could swing it at incredible speed and keep it in alignment. But remember, the pro is about teaching you the correct physics that are hidden by the shaft. Once you know them, you can easily detect them with the club. The tour pro already has this skill! Thanks!

[@edmoreno6926]

After a few more drills and work on my club alignment through the ball I found that weakening my grip started to give me better results and higher ball flight. I found that if I actually went to a slightly week grip I could compress the ball even better. My normal strong grip is not as effective with this technique. Dan is the common?

[@danmartingolf]

It sounds to me like you are interfering less with the natural energy of the club as it extends naturally from the vertical centerline of your body rotation. I won't say it's common, but it certainly seems to be an adjustment that is giving you better results - and that is most important. There are so many grip variations that can actually work with a true and natural golf motion. It just needs to match you!

[@jaywatson9493]

Hi Dan, Been watching your videos and have the pro. I'm confused. I thought you said you start down with little hip turn that goes into chest then the arms. Another video said the arms sorta get going out in from of chest, kinda back to target. Then this video says turn everything together in a non sequential pattern and it gets the clubhead working out and away from the rotation. I tried the turn everything together including shoulders and hit fantastic shots but dont know if Im just getting lucky. The everything together rotation has displaced the 'feels' of resistance. Can you please clarify?

[@danmartingolf]

Great questions!! As for my YT content, I would probably focus on only my most recent videos - basically from 2022 and on. The way that I describe the motion has evolved over time - and will continue to do so. The reality is that all physics is simultaneous. For most players, they initially will be better off if they get more open on the backswing and allow the club and arms to outrace them. This is certainly the experience of learning how to master the PRO. As you practice more and more, this will become a much more simultaneous sense of the whole body working together. If you have removed resistance in your body you are definitely on the right track!!

[@jaywatson9493]

@danmartingolf Great answer Dan! For me that couldn't make it past a 5 handicap I'm trending to Zero just watching your videos. Using fluid rotation, getting open and allowing the club to work without resistance has changed my game. Thank you! I'll continue to put in work.

[@danmartingolf]

Great! Keep up the good work! Keep me posted on your progress!

[@rajanrai732]

I like the concept , but how do you build speed into your swing ?

[@danmartingolf]

When you realize that trying to accelerate the club creates resistance and eliminate that impulse from your swing, you will gain speed. A golf swing is a movement, not an applied force. Movements rotate effortlessly around the line of gravity with equal and opposite angular momentums. The quicker the movement with no force added, the faster your arms and club can extend from your body, thereby increasing the speed. So in short, speed comes from frictionless movement, not effort! Gravity doesn't allow effort to increase speed! It puts strict limitations on how we can move and increase the speed of a limb or a stick that we hold. I'll have many videos illustrating and explaining this concept soon!

[@williamreichert4798]

I notice that when you use the rope tool you bend your left arm a lot. So should I bend my left arm a lot and also can you make the rope tool work with a straight left arm. or not?

[@danmartingolf]

No need to bend the left arm much, but the elbow, shoulder, and wrist should not be locked up my overly tense muscles. The muscles need to stay relatively passive so they don't lock up the joints for the best results in any golf motion. The PRO, because of the shaft as a rope, mandates that you accommodate its pliability with a slightly different arm structure to meld your body with the physics. Notice how quickly the lead arm straightens on the forward swing as a result of the inertial flow of energy created by rotation. Thanks!

[@darrinlygrisse5287]

Is the feeling to swing the entire club? Much like MDLT taught.

[@danmartingolf]

That's a good start, but truly the golf club must be made a part of your body - YOU are the golf swing and every part of your body matters when you move around your line of gravity! The club becomes nearly weightless when you are moving optimally. I'm pretty sure that's what MDLT meant or at least "felt". Thx!

[@sandwah9901]

It would seem to me that if one focused on maximizing the duration of a straight line extension of the Pro during the swing, that then maximizes centripetal force, therefore maximizing the correct golf swing. And, as a result, whatever my body is doing is of no concern - it will do what it needs to do - and the result is a true swinging motion.

[@danmartingolf]

Yes, keeping the PRO in alignment from the end of the grip to the cylinder indicates that the relative inertia of every part of your body are proportional. All total angular momentums are equal and opposite as your body rotates and the motion unfolds. The feeling in not one of pulling as one might expect from centripetal force, but actually a weightless and frictionless motion. Thx! But yes, a simple intent can create a very effective body reaction.

[@jtboise1]

Makes so much sense. By the way, I'm trying to buy your swing pro but it appears you only take PayPal. I don't have a PayPal account. Now what? If you're in AZ (I am), I could come to you and pay cash or CC. Thanks.

[@danmartingolf]

Thx! Just click through to the next screen. You can use a credit card.

[@jtboise1]

@@danmartingolf Sorry, I tried but there's nowhere to advance to the next screen. The only choices are PayPal or PayPal Later. What am I missing?

[@danmartingolf]

@@jtboise1 exactly. Just click the pay with PayPal icon. There is a pay with credit card selection once you click that.

[@williamreichert4798]

I spent a lot of money taking lessons from GOLF TEC. They measure about 9 positions which I could hit. but it made no difference in my ball striking

[@danmartingolf]

That is because positions are reference points of motion when broken down by video and other measuring devices. But it's critical to understand that motion is something you are predisposed to doing well and is not made up of a chain link of individual muscular events that you can actively control with your thoughts. This is why many times lessons will make you worse. The info is fine in analysis, but does nothing for you being able to enhance the production of a more fluid and efficient motion. That's why my swing device, the PRO is different. You have to learn motion, not positions to get it right! Motion is always enhanced when the pre-frontal cortex is turned off and the cerebellum drives the bus! Thanks for the questions and watching my videos!!

[@sepetisionelatu5539]

l hate the positioning stuff lol. People look like dang robot hahaha