Switch to Kia EV6 from Tesla Model Y?

[@stopthefomo]

THANKS, I just bought the EV6, you guys pushed me over the edge, couldn't justify the Modely Y premium, especially without the tax incentives. You and Jennie are awesome! $54K less federal tax incentives and this car is easily the best EV value out there. I was at the dealership and saw it go from 20% to 60% in 10 minutes (on their fast charger), that's about 115 miles my friend!

[@robertreynolds8359]

Local dealers pump up the cost of the ev6 to around $10K above MSRP.

[@PeterPyo]

@@robertreynolds8359 while this Is true of some dealers, I just purchased an EV6 AWD Wind with tech package at exactly MSRP. It did take patience, but bought one right on the dealer lot. They wouldn’t hold it for me though. It was first come, first served.

[@twocds4751]

@@PeterPyo It depends on what part of the country you are at. The ones here in California will not sell at msrp.

[@paulholterhaus7084]

$54 thousand............New CX50 cost $30k..............Paul

[@Subh8081]

@@paulholterhaus7084 GV60 at $60 thousand may be a competitor to Tesla. The EV6 at base is best bargain.

[@tysonb1353]

Having Jennie's comments made the video perfect for me. My wife was not completely on board with the Kia EV6; but between Ben's review and Jennie's comments, she is now very comfortable the Kia is where we should go for our electric car. Thanks so much! As always, great job.

[@terrybenson7318]

Drove both - bought the Kia AWD GT Pro Line. Much smoother less bumpy ride. I like all the controls and displays which are more accessible than always having to go into the single offset display pad. The $ 7.5 k tax incentive vs $ 0 for Tesla was a factor. Plus I bought one from a dealer without having to order and wait six months.

[@art23ncsu]

Did you pay close to MSRP or was it marked up a lot? That's the struggle right now in Atlanta for me.

[@terrybenson7318]

@@art23ncsu near Cincinnati I paid MSRP plus a $ 595 protectant package and $ 1800 for charger and garage install (probably worth $ 1100. So a little more but every other dealer around here adding 5-10k. Plus when we test drove there were two people who showed up ready to buy it if we didn't. So I thought we did better than most so we bought the car like 5 days before PUtin invaded Ukraine and gas prices are still going up!

[@art23ncsu]

@@terrybenson7318 congrats on getting the deal! I would take that in a heartbeat right now. How's the car so far?

[@terrybenson7318]

no issues. Like it. Gas up $ 1/gallon since we bought it 2/22 so thats a plus. no regrets at all@@art23ncsu

[@brownro214]

@@art23ncsu When I checked last week none of the KIA dealers in Atlanta had an EV6 on hand. They were either showing no inventory or one/two in transit.

[@woodyww]

A good, fair evaluation of both cars. I would posit that my EV6 Wind AWD w/tech pkg does 0-60 in 4.6 seconds and compares nicely with the Tesla Model Y LR Dual Motor. And it sells for $54K MSRP which is still less expensive than the comparable Model Y. I live in Texas and KIA won me over immediately with ventilated seats. The blind spot cameras displaying on the binnacle when you lane change is another great thing.

[@markwilson7013]

It seems like Ben compared the rear wheel drive EV6 against the 4 wheel drive Model Y, well certainly as he described the performance difference in the video, which might be a little misleading if that was the case.

[@Mildern]

@@markwilson7013 I noticed the same thing... He should have been comparing the AWD GT-Line.

[@terrybenson7318]

You'll get the $ 7.5 k tax credit with the kia and not the Tesla

[@amperformance7998]

It appears he was testing an AWD model. The AWD has the small frunk because of the extra motor. The RWD version (that I have on order) has a much larger frunk, though still smaller than the MY.

[@fraserreddick8828]

@@amperformance7998 in america both have the small frunk (because it doesn't have an internal release so legally can't be above a certain size there...). He had the rwd (except where he showed the one with dark interior he drove previously which was awd). Still bit odd to compare the wind rwd to the model Y purely because the range is similar. Everything else the Y is more comparable to the AWD GT line (S in the uk) and still the Kia is £10000 less in the uk as equally specced as possible. A lot of his negatives were purely due to being used to a Tesla and would be positives for most people. The only things the Y is better for in my opinion are boot space (although the EV6 is still decent, just a bit shallow) and the full panoramic roof. Most people aren't worried about the frunk, prefer physical buttons, an actual dashboard in front of them and so on. Performance also not that different in the AWD EV6 compared the the LR Y and most reviews prefer the handling of the Kia - it's never going to be a sports car but a very good tourer and can still have some fun.

[@teslatim78]

I have the Model 3 and an EV6 for my wife. The EV6 is BY FAR more bang for the buck when compared to the Y. I don't regret it at all, PLUS the Electrify America Chargers are less expensive than a Tesla Supercharger

[@gforce2002]

Great video Ben. Here in Canada, the price difference is even more. Because the Kia has government incentives that can be as much as $10K, the difference between a very well equipped EV6 and the Y can be $30K or more. It’s hard to see the difference in value compared to that amount.

[@simonlindley2950]

Well said, from another Canuck considering the same things.

[@chinadollfmd]

How were you able to get an EV6? My KIA dealership said delivery can be over a year and that is a rough guess, good luck joining the waiting list. VW says even the ID4 won't be in Canada for another 18 months. Nissan don't even know when they will get the Ariya, maybe in 2024? It is ridiculous, you can't buy a EV car in Canada if you wanted.

[@paulhamrick3943]

I can't remember, why do these other manufacturers benefit from govt incentives in Canada while Tesla does not?

[@gforce2002]

@@paulhamrick3943 starting price of base model must be under $55K.

[@davidpaulin]

tesla isn't worth it at least in canada right now.. prices upped like 10k in the last months and lost incentives. Just go and get a cheaper, better built car. You will have to wait a bit for it but it will be worth the wait. i don't know how they hold up in the usa but here they are basically throw away cars. Suspensions need to be rebuilt every 50k miles and with salt on the roads you need to invest thousands in ppf and crap so they stay in one piece

[@eyesuckle]

For those Tesla fans (and I *am* a big fan) arguing that they "don't mind" or "quickly got used to" having all of the car's functions on a centered touch screen, there's really only one counter argument to be raised: Tesla's "deluxe" models--the S and X, the ones you pay the most money for--both have an instrument cluster behind the steering wheel. So clearly, that's a desirable feature that someone paying $100,000 or more for a car is likely to insist upon. The center touch screen controlling all the car's functions is there for one reason: It reduces the cost of manufacturing the car. That's a benefit to Tesla and its shareholders, not its customers.

[@ElectricAdventurer]

My sister recently got her EV6, I got to sit in it, and man it is way way nicer than my Model 3's interior. Now I'm thinking of trading mines in to get one too. The EV6 is just so nice inside and out.

[@pumpuppthevolume]

swap cars with your sister for 2 weeks to try it out :P

[@HisLoveArmy]

Good luck taking a road trip in a non Tesla

[@pumpuppthevolume]

@HisLoveArmy now ...it's fine ....a few years ago it wasn't

[@pumpuppthevolume]

@HisLoveArmy also look up the video titled Anyone can mess up Tesla supercharger session ......if u want to see the ev6 charge at a tesla super charger

[@rhrh10]

I agree its nicer but how is ownership experience? I like the feel and look of the Samsung S22 but iPhone still gives me the best experience

[@SimonRYoutubeChannel]

Great review! I have received my EV6 and can only agree with the review. I was literally waiting to buy a Model Y until the Berlin factory opened up, but with the EV6 I got a car that drives amazing, and still has an instrument cluster + HUD, for 20% less! In terms of headroom, our dealer said that the EV6 sunroof decreases the headroom by 10cm in the back, as the frame lowers the entire ceiling, so we got one without.

[@kenross6028]

The Kia interior looks much more high end to me than the Model Y. Unlike Ben, I think direct access features via buttons makes far more sense than fumbling through a touch screen in a moving car...and I owned a Model S.

[@danicelkorth712]

@@gokaruna It doesnt work good. lol

[@MarkSmedinghoff]

Just bought a Kia EV6 while I wait out my Rivian pre-order. Looking forward to putting it through it's paces when I get it in 2 weeks.

[@davidgiles9751]

After debating buying an EV and researching numerous models, I just purchased an EV6. So far, I am absolutely gobsmacked. One major thing that dissuaded me from buying a Tesla is the fact that you have to do everything through the center screen. Having to navigate through a menu in order to simply turn on the heated seats, steering wheel, or things like that is stupid. Sorry Tesla owners, but sometimes a simple button is just better. Funny, he mentions how he doesn't like the buttons in the EV6, but a minute later goes on to compliment having direct access to those types of features... PS: The heads up display is freakin' awesome for me. However, people who wear bifocal or transition lens glasses/contact lenses might find it rather hard to read.

[@rimagot]

The difference is that a Tesla will get updated permanently, physical buttons can't be updated

[@henryrichardson2140]

@@rimagot still screen. what features of physical buttons need updates?

[@chidorirasenganz]

@@henryrichardson2140 features that didn’t exist before or worked differently before

[@chidorirasenganz]

I’d say a physical button is still worse because for one I only see it when I need to also you can set those functions to auto so you don’t even have to turn them on

[@henryrichardson2140]

No need to get rid of physical buttons to update software and features that didn’t exist before or worked differently before. No need any updates of physical buttons. I'd say touch screen is still worse, way slower to touch and uncomfortable. Technically, Tesla's method is neat, but many people find it incovenient. I hope automakers don't remove some physical buttons so we can adjust immediately, not touch touch touch back back back and sometimes lag.

[@CNile-se9xw]

I agree with Jennie, the Kia's a great transitional EV for anybody looking to make the switch. The analogue controls narrow the learning curve & with the screen in front of you, it would seem to be a lot more comfortable. The storage in the EV6 may come across as disappointing in comparison, but it would still be way better than an ICE sedan. Performance is a non-issue to me as anyone hopping into the EV6 from an ICE car would be blown away & quite frankly all Teslas are unnecessarily fast. Handling gets blown out of proportion, drive a car within its limits & you'll be fine.

[@fraserreddick8828]

Yes, the main thing the Y has going for it is huge storage - the EV6 is comparable to everything else in it's class and not far off my current estate (stationwagon) car. EV6 handling is very good for a heavy crossover, much less roll than most, slightly lower driving position - people seem to be comparing it to a sports car or hot hatch which it isn't trying to be, it's a fantastic tourer.

[@allamasadi7970]

@@fraserreddick8828 I like the analogue controls as it is easier than a touch screen when driving

[@ericroe]

One other thing to add when talking price is KIA still qualifies for the $7500 Federal Tax Credit, and will for some time. So getting the fully loaded EV6 will still put you under $50k.

[@neoburst1]

Reading comments like this makes me realise how rubbish the government incentives in the UK are. Up to £1.5k off of the purchase price of the car but only for cars £32k and lower so even a base spec Id.3 is already too expensive

[@ericroe]

@@neoburst1 in the US it’s a tax credit so you have to have a $7500 tax liability and you don’t get to claim it until the following year. So it’s not like a rebate at the dealership. But yeah, it’s a nice incentive.

[@sburrell]

In the US the delearships are really marking up the cost. However I was able to purchase the awd wind, tech pkg at msrp which was just below $54k.

[@ericroe]

@@sburrell that is one benefit of the dealer model, you can shop around. With the Tesla, they can and do change MSRP at will and you are stuck. Tesla increasing the price not associated with a model year is no different than ADM except there is no recourse.

[@ChrisLeiter]

my number one gripe with the Tesla is the lack of 360 camera. I miss it from my Volvo. Made it incredibly easy to park. The right side of the Tesla is incredibly difficult to judge against a curb and my stock wheels paid a horrible price for it too 😢

[@catzblu999]

@Neil OBleness still cheaper than the MY

[@RamsOnTwo]

I own a M3LR, never owned a vehicle with 360 camera, but I've owned about 19 vehicles with no camera and learned how to park with them..

[@slmdaddy1]

you have the 360 Tesla view just not a live image and you have the sensors that alert you if you close to something. I get having a camera see it all live with your surrounding be nice. My girlfriend has. Murano and its cool feature. I think we will see it at some point as Tesla has the capability to do it. Just like we now see an image when turning left or right.

[@ChrisLeiter]

@@RamsOnTwo my Tesla is my 20th car, and is the very first one I’ve ever curbed a wheel in.

[@maxflight777]

Chris ! I completely agree ! Even my old 2020 X5 had one … I used it when parking.

[@prerunnerwannabe]

15:35 After 18 months of driving my Model 3, the lack of physical buttons is probably the worst part about the car. I hate having to take my eyes off the road to tap and slide on the screen just to adjust the fan speed. And no, voice control isn't a good substitute.

[@amigajoe]

Amen !!! Looking forward to buttons in my ionic five or EV6.

[@markmuir7338]

Fully agreed. I'm hoping after-market mods will eventually come along to add some physical controls for the things I need to use while I'm driving. Now that my Model S is out of warranty, I've been meaning to sniff around the CAN bus and see what I can hack together.

[@sferris33]

Wow. The Kia EV6 seems more functional and closer to what I want.

[@russwright]

Wish Tesla had CarPlay and manual wiper controls

[@alanrickett2537]

No you want the Kia

[@arribus30]

It does have manual wiper controls?

[@Finance-Food-and-Freetime]

Just press the left indicator and wiper turns on

[@NikolaEngineering]

I have the model y and a Volt with Android Auto. I don't see the advantage with Android Auto or CarPlay. I stream audio. Navigation with AA/CarPlay requires a USB connection. Tesla's phantom braking is a huge issue, though.

[@MaxPower-11]

I think when you consider that this was Kia/Hyundai’s very first attempt at a vehicle based on an all-electric platform - they did really, really well. At this rate, by the time they reach the second iteration of the vehicle they could well be on par with Tesla.

[@IRLSuperb]

I agree. I bought a 2022 Hyundai PHEV because I couldn’t afford the Kia EV6 but the tech impressed me more than any other company trying to compete with tesla

[@kpv123]

No, they are already Superior to Tesla except for the Model S. This car is far better than a Tesla Model 3, and I own one

[@IRLSuperb]

@@kpv123 Fair enough

[@dansalas399]

It’s not their first attempt.. KIA has the Niro EV before the EV6 was out.

[@MaxPower-11]

@@dansalas399 What I wrote was correct. This is their first attempt using an all-electric vehicle platform. The Niro is based on a converted ICE platform which is shared with other, non-electric models.

[@FreemanFD3S]

One of the major problem with EV6 isn't the car itself, it's the dealer price gouging with their ridiculous mark ups

[@Ghost-jy9hk]

A lot of us found ours for MSRP. How about Tesla and raising prices $12,000 over the past year?

[@kkgolf5371]

@@Ghost-jy9hk Not sure where you get one for MSRP- I called 50 dealers and the ones that had 2-5 k over had no cars available and get on a list for 4-6 months out. No thanks. I paid over but GT Lines go for a bit more since they are tougher to get.

[@amigatommy7]

Kia still gets the tax thing; both country and state.

[@SamKhoury]

19:12 I think the EV6 Wind RWD was the wrong trim to use in comparison to the Model Y Long Range just because they have similar ranges. A more fair comparison would have been to the EV6 GT-Line AWD because they both have dual motors and AWD. Also the GT-Line AWD has extra technology features like HUD, extra exterior cameras/monitors, etc and the sunroof (which is not available on the Wind trim). Of course the Model Y Long Range has much better range than the EV6 GT-Line AWD (and the Wind AWD). Regardless, in your EV6 pricing you left out the $7500 federal tax credit that you get with the Kia which you don't with the Tesla. Without factoring state tax credits or adding on sales taxes which varies by state, the Model Y Long Range is $62,440 versus the EV6 GT-Line AWD which is $49,615 ($57,115 MSRP - $7500 federal tax credit), making the price difference even more significant. My neighbor was telling me to get a Model Y instead of the EV6 but I don't think it's worth a $12k+ premium. 22:31 It's unfair to compare the performance of a single motor EV6 Wind RWD to a dual motor Model Y Long Range. If you had compared a dual motor EV6 GT-Line AWD to the Model Y Long Range then the EV6 performance is about the same or slightly better. Model Y Long Range has a 0-60 mph time of 4.8 seconds versus the EV6 GT-Line AWD which has a 0-60 mph time of 4.6 seconds. Please don't confuse the EV6 GT-Line AWD to the upcoming GT trim which will have 576 hp and will be comparable to the Model Y Performance trim.

[@amperformance7998]

The performance test was done in an AWD model, you can see that in the small frunk. The RWD model has a much larger frunk. The price comparison comes from cheapest base models.

[@SamKhoury]

@Aaron Plein If the performance test was done with the EV6 dual motor AWD then they're not being honest because like I said the 0-60 mph time is 4.6 seconds and the Model Y Long Range is 4.8 seconds. If the Model Y time is incorrect then many websites need to be corrected. The cheapest EV6 is not the Wind RWD, it's the Light RWD so they didn't compare the base models. Regardless, in order to have a fair comparison then you need to compare EVs with similar specs, not compare the cheapest base models.

[@IBmisspeppermint]

One thing I will say for the Kia and other EVs with buttons, it’s not a distraction. If I’m driving down the freeway, I don’t want to be distracted to try to modify the air because my feet aren’t too warm but I’m merging from one freeway to the next. If there are physical buttons, I can just press them without having to take my eyes off the road. That is important. While I appreciate tech, I really do, I don’t appreciate having to dig for the features I use regularly.

[@amigajoe]

‘Clicky buttons’ are one of the things I missed the most while I had my Tesla ! All personal preference. 🙂

[@trishapitte5125]

I always need Jennie’s review!! She pulls all of the reviews together in my opinion!!!

[@Diazfamily213]

Agree

[@timothyandre7882]

I just purchased an EV6 GT-Line AWD. My third EV (after Chevy Bolt and Jaguar IPace). The Jag is more refined with understated tech. In the EV6 the tech is more “in your face”. The tech features are pretty much the same, but the EV6’s is much better than the Jag. I’m also looking forward to better range and much faster charging than the Jag as I will be doing more long road trips in my retirement. I wish I didn’t need the AWD, but I live in the snow at Lake Tahoe. I never even considered the Tesla, just too weird for my tastes. I wish Jag had kept developing the IPace, they had a tiger by the tail and didn’t know it.

[@gerradwalker346]

Do you still recommend them?

[@YouJGSousa]

Most people don’t understand the Apple car situation because they are not developers but Tesla runs a very dynamic software update policy. They can do this because they’ve control the entire stack, but the moment they start introducing dependencies it’s starts limiting what they can do as they must keep the dependencies working. You have to be a developer that has gone through dependencies issues to really understand the why Apple car isn’t just included.

[@kevinn1158]

The only Model Y in Canada is the AWD. It's 89k. The top GT line EV6 is 63k. This is a no brainer. And the EV6 gets a 5k dollar rebate which the Tesla doesn't.

[@Knightairman1]

See I disagree with you about buttons. I want buttons for my hvac, and I want a selector for prndl. As always glad you brought Jennie in. Can you get her opinion in on the Rivian price increase.

[@gurjantm]

At a subconscious level, I think it's harder to switch to a less prestigious brand.

[@obijuan3004]

This was a great review of the two cars. Very objective and balanced. I sat in a Tesla in a show room and the first thing that grabbed me was the giant screen centered on the dash. I am a huge fan of the ability to make adjustments with minimum need to take my eyes off of the road, be it radio, air or heat, turn on heated seats etc. The all in one giant screen was very disappointing, I’m sure people get used to it, but I prefer the car adapt to my needs. I love the Apple play feature, because I can use my own maps and music. My wife likes to play audio books from her iPhone when we are on long road trips. We got a fully loaded Kia Soul turbo, after renting one, which was a huge change from our Mercedes E350, but I like KIA’s ride better, and the ease of getting in and out of the vehicle really nice as well. Great review. Very through.

[@johnclaeys376]

Bought an EV6! Absolutely love this car. The quality runs circles around the Tesla. We owned a model 3 for 6 months, long enough to experience the number of ways Musk cut corners. Sure there are pluses with the Model Y, but the poor ride quality and very noisy cabin is a deal breaker. Period.

[@jhideout]

I think the one thing no one mentions is the dealer mark-ups which can easily be in the range of $5k-$10k for the kia, hyundai and toyota. Our local vw said that they'll sell at msrp, but they're sold out until 2023.

[@andrewmuscarella2934]

Ben, Thanks for a really good video. The one thing I would say, is you should have also price compared an all wheel drive Kia. Those of us who live in heavy snow areas would not consider comparing a rear wheel drive car to an all wheel drive car an apples to apples comparison.

[@sammaimas155]

Ben, Having all controls on the screen maybe all techy and geeky but it is certainly not practical. If your bouncing along in a 3 or a Y and trying to finger a control or flip through screen pages to get what you want, then it is dangerous (I cannot even click an app on my dash mounted phone in my 4WD without missing or opening an unintended app) as it takes your attention away from the road. Also in Australia we would incur a traffic infringement of around $1000 if caught. There should definitely be shortcut buttons to control frequently used functions e.g. glove box, DAB etc. without touching the screen. The HUD or driver display as in the model S would be great (I would prefer an intelligent HUD)

[@acolon8999]

Voice commands on those bumpy rides. No need to take your hands off the steering wheel.

[@amperformance7998]

I have never had a good experience with voice controls, though I have never tried the Tesla's. I generally avoid them entirely, more annoying than helpful.

[@acolon8999]

@@amperformance7998 You should give it a try. Even if you don't use it, It's nice to have choices. Just like the Public charging Networks, I've never used any of them but it's nice to know that in an emergency I have a Plan B. Or for certain issues having my car repaired at home or work if I don't want to go to the Service Center is another nice option to have. I definitely should try the Public Charging Networks to at least know what to expect and how they operate if they are not just as simple as plugging in. Maybe download some third party Apps.

[@sammaimas155]

@@acolon8999 I went for a ride with a Tesla owner the other day, it took him three or four tries with the voice commands just to get the glovebox open...

[@acolon8999]

@@sammaimas155 Wow. I am surprised. I use it once in a while without issues. My kids use it more than I do (to get the game controller out of the glovebox) and it also works fine for them. About two years ago, they introduced the voice command to open the glovebox. For some reason it didn't work at all for me until a couple of updates later. I wish I could remember what version but it's been a while and I've got so many updates since then. But because it worked at least once for him, is probably not a software issue. I wonder if it's a hardware issue. Maybe there is something wrong with the microphone. Either way he should try to get that fixed. It gives you more flexibility. Unlike other cars if the main screen goes bad, you can still control the HVAC with voice commands. Imagine being stuck in a blizzard or really hot weather (depending where you live) and the main screen goes. You will be glad that you have more than one way to turn the HVAC on. It's all about having multiple choices like I said in a previous comment. Just like charging or even how you buy your car (online/dealer). At least in the US there are some areas where the charging infrastructure needs to get better. I take many long trips during the year (just came back a few weeks ago from a 2,700 mile trip) and when the time came to make my EV purchase one of the factors I looked at was how many chargers do I have access to. On one hand was the Public Network and in the other it was Tesla plus the Public Network. When possible I like to have choices.

[@nigelcharles511]

We have a Model 3 and a Kia Soul EV. There is an issue with the 12v system with the eNiro and Soul which also affects the EV6. There have been many cases where the 12v battery occasionally discharges making it impossible to start the car. After a subsequent charge of the 12v battery it then works fine. Kia dealers have yet to solve this problem. It has happened to us once so far which was very inconvenient. Kia had our Soul in for investigation for a week, found no fault and couldn't supply a courtesy car in the meantime. The Tesla has had one fault (an Internet communication board). Although they had the car 2 weeks they loaned me a Model S with free charging in the meantime. The other area where Kia really sucks is the Kia app is really clunky with frequent connection problems. One night using the app for setting up for scheduled charging, having assured us that it was set up, it failed to charge but hasn't done it since. This was not a user problem. The app also sometimes defaults to km instead of miles which is annoying. The Kia nav system is so poor that my wife reverted back to her phone satnav in preference. She does about 8000 miles/year visiting several clients each day and finds the inbuilt nav system difficult to use. We have a friend who has an EV6 and agrees that the app and nav system as used in the EV6 isn't any better. The EV6 as a car might be a big step forward but it is let down by the poor app and nav system and is much less efficient than the Tesla.

[@Recondo1967]

I visited the KIA lot in Glendale, CA on Monday. Every EV6 sticker price included a $5K dealer markup!

[@honesty_-no9he]

Dealership model is the cancer of EVs on legacy brands.

[@thomosburn8740]

I find that the seat heater/cooler having a physical, tactile button (on Hyundai/Kia products) that you don't have to look at with your eyes is a HUGE advantage over it being buried in a menu on a no-tactile-feedback video screen (Tesla products). Sadly, the Ioniq5 now has the seat heater buried in a video menu in an attempt to "keep up with the Joneses". Try turning on that heater while driving and watching the road (you simply can't)!

[@honesty_-no9he]

You can switch off most of the chimes in the KIA.

[@ImaginerImagines]

I spent 2l years evaluating this and ultimately went with the EV6. This and other videos really helped inform me on the comparisons. Thank you very much.

[@stepheno7293]

Thank you for a very informative video! Unfortunately the Kia EV6 has a 20k price adjustment which makes EV6 79k plus! Which is totally outrageous… Tesla wins hands down with NO price adjustments I’m ordering my model Y tomorrow.. Hopefully this helps your choice..

[@quest900]

Price adjustments are set by the dealer, that's a bad dealer. Having to work through a dealer vs direct purchase would be a legitimate criticism though.

[@alanrickett2537]

@@quest900 the short surply is the issue it's a good car, so is the Tesla

[@Yanquetino]

I appreciate Jennie's input, since she's the daily driver of the Model Y. I'm willing to bet, however, that she would actually like the Hyundai Ioniq 5 over the Kia EV6. They're "sister" cars, but the Ioniq 5 has features that the Kia does not.

[@merkridge8780]

You know when a newbie EV is good is when they become the standard even Tesla tries to emulate. Till then, I do enjoy seeing others try.

[@BarryRands]

Kinda surprised that they didn't mention the differences in regen features. I have the Kia Niro EV and the Y and I LOVE the paddle controlled variable regen on the Kia vs. NO control of regen on the Y.

[@michaelm.7418]

The Model Y delivery date is for the one with the 20" wheels. If you use the base 19" wheels that delivery date is December 2022.

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

Jeez

[@timlittle4521]

@@BenSullinsOfficial That's only for the white paint without a hitch, all other configurations show an August 2022 delivery.

[@originalcazmachine]

@@timlittle4521 Ordered my Y Feb 8. Gray, 19" wheels. Delivery December 2022.

[@ba18to20]

You didn't mention the current dealer markup on the Kia. I went to take a look at one for a second car for my sons grandmother. They wanted $70k. I would never pay that for a Kia. The leases were a better deal.

[@ba18to20]

The salesman also said it competes with the Plaid. I laughed inside.

[@kmturley1]

He did mention the dealer markup

[@streetmoney21]

Also you didn’t say anything about the Tesla app that really has a lot of additional features that Kia does not offer like Sentry mode and being able to see cameras from anywhere on your phone. You can schedule your departure time and the vehicle will precondition the battery and set the climate for you so that temperature is perfect when you get in. Kia does not offer that. You can turn on the AC from you phone on hot days to cool the vehicle before you get in. Yeah you miss a lot on the Tesla which will mislead people. The Tesla may cost more but you get way more for your money. It’s different if you can’t afford it. Then Kia is an alternative but can’t really be compared when you look at all the features and capabilities a Tesla has that you never mentioned or demonstrated.

[@MsAjax409]

Yup. When you know these facts, it exposes the review as being not completely objective.

[@amigajoe]

It’s obviously different for different people, but I had a model three for three years and I only took maybe three road trips, and on only one of them did I use the frunk for luggage, because I over packed. My next car will be an ionic five or EV six. I’m perfectly content with the small frunk area, as I would really only use it for valuables such as purses laptops tablets etc.

[@CYBRLFT]

Man I gotta say that Kia’s aesthetic is beautiful. Mad props to their design team. The Hyundai Ionic 5 and the Kia EV6 are vehicles I’d be proud to have in my garage.

[@dece6170]

Keep spreading the word Ben! I cannot agree more. As a Tesla owner myself, I've been SOO disappointed for a car that costs so much. They take your $ and leave you out to dry whenever you have any issues. It truly feels like I've been scammed in the truest sense of the word. I wish I can return the car but Tesla got rid of their return policy, for good reason, everyone would be returning this garbage. I'm thinking of selling to Carvanna and picking up an EV6 or Ioniq5

[@BTSflyer]

Would like to see a comparison between the EV 6 and the Ioniq 5. The Ioniq 5 may have more rear space and headroom for the rear seats.

[@TheCostofAutism]

I love the EV6 and I would love to get one, problem is that here in South Florida they are very rare most dealers will only get maybe one per month and pretty much what ends up happening is that you have a bidding war with all the customers trying to get one by paying a massive premium so if you want to get one at MSRP it's practically impossible. Every time I go into a dealership all they try to do is to get me to switch over to buying a gas-powered vehicle, which I'm just not interested in. From the numbers that I saw Tesla made and sold about 9 times more Model Y than the EV6, so if Hyundai / Kia really wants to compete and not just me compliance cars they really need to step up their game

[@kentgabriel3572]

BTW the wired apple car play or android auto is because these cars come default with the larger HMI screens offered by Kia/Hyundai....therefore they have built in NAV....and currently there is an ongoing battle with Kia/Hyundai and the phone companies for who get the default nav on the screen....if you get one of there gas cars with the smaller screens then its actually wireless CarPlay and android auto because They don't have the default imbedded NAV.....something I learned from another car KZbin review channel...they actually got to have dinner with one of the engineers and product planner from Hyundai/Kia North American and learned that bit of info....

[@jimji2774]

Maybe its just me but having regen adjustment at my fingertips with the paddle shifters on the Kia is a game changer as well as having so many different levels to adjust. I found on my test drive that it could be used to slow down in traffic like down shifting. Doesn't sound like Teslas have this feature. Also only one screen and so few controls in the T as well as that stark looking interior are a hard no for me. Lack of a frunk in the EV6 is a disappointment. Wireless carplay in the KIA is said to be included in update according to some commenters ! Nice he said - she said thank you.

[@sunnycse117]

All these new electric cars are great ! But one big issue i have with them is their software. I think in the software section Tesla is way ahead of its competitor.

[@amperformance7998]

Tesla's user interface is quite impressive, but a lot of common features are easier to access in the EV6 due to dedicated buttons.

[@Fireblade-df2wj]

No Kia has better software now. They overtook Tesla.

[@MrGenAiMan]

Other EVs will be partnering with the likes of Apple and Google to create great software that's standard across manufacturers, which trumps Tesla specific maps and other things. Tactile buttons will forever be better than a touch-only UI as well. Tesla only made their cars ultra-minimalistic to reduce cost of manufacturing. Having a single tablet in the middle and nothing else is not a premium feature - it's a budget cost cutting move that's sold as a snake-oil feature.

[@elmohead]

It's not better lol.

[@Fireblade-df2wj]

@@elmohead Did you watch the video?

[@beefuzzy310]

Great comparison. EV market desperately needs competition. I double down on this being a new Tesla owner. Infrastructure is really behind in my area as well. PlugShare shows a ton of chargers, but the majority are locked away behind company and private parking. The rest are broken.

[@Phlegm_Thrower]

As a driver, you should appreciate proper tactile buttons you can locate and press without taking your eyes off the road.

[@RobbieFitzgerald]

Always appreciate your fair and balanced reviews. Happy to see that your experience with the Kia has been mostly good. Also nice to see the kid seats in the Kia. I have a child on the cusp of switching from a 5pt to a booster so thats a great insight. It seems to be great value for the money. Also thanks to Jennie for her input!

[@kpv123]

This is michael. Ben, I always enjoy your videos and adding your wife's input was a great touch here. Her comments were insightful and practical. I disagree with your comments about the interior buttons. Tesla makes a technological step in the wrong direction by making everything two or three steps instead of a single push button. Not only does it slow things down but it's less safe as you have to take your eyes off the road. The EV6 interior front dash is far superior to that of the model 3 and Y, and it's also more informative. We have the model 3, and I much prefer the ev6. However, I do despise the high markup and chicanery that Kia dealerships throw at you, making us buy all the added junk they put on the car. The biggest obstacle to the Kia ev6 is the dealerships and sales people. Kia Central should do something about that.

[@BigPowerAL]

Nice to see viable options to the Tesla Model Y. Tesla have told us they will not allow us to buy out our lease on our 2021 Model 3. We are now looking at other EV’s.

[@davebryer6133]

It has been a while since ergonomics class in college but it sure looks like Kia beats the Tesla in that regard. Everyone talks about acceleration but what about 60 to 0 breaking? Also, how do the headlight compare? Looking forward to the next EV reviews.

[@TsLeng]

Being occupied with acceleration is a petrol head and Tesla fan hobby. I was once guilty of that until I actually experienced fast cars (0-100km/h in less than 5 seconds). Day to day, the extra 1-2 seconds to 100km/h off an already fast car at about 5-6seconds isn't as useful as ergonomics, refinement, practicality etc, things that one is feeling, interacting, immersed in all the time while driving.

[@bnort1040]

Excellent comprehensive review Ben! Some things worth mentioning: Kia still eligible for $7,500 federal tax credit, further strengthening the value proposition Also, and this is a great feature to have on the fly, the EV6 has paddle shifters to determine regen strength. iPedal for one pedal driving to no regen for extreme coasting with varying levels in between. An underrated feature for sure. Love your stuff keep up the awesome work.

[@markmuir7338]

Out of curiosity: why do you find adjustable regen to be a useful feature? I have two EVs (a Tesla and a Zero motorcycle) and I have never found a use case for artificially reducing the amount of regen available. I like the throttle to always feel the same and respond consistently in all situations. I also like that if something jumps into the road in front of me I can let go of the throttle and the vehicle slows down rapidly even before I have time to move my foot onto the brakes. I'd appreciate your explanation - I must be missing something.

[@bnort1040]

Well, not to answer a question with a question, but have you driven an ev with adjustable regen? While it probably will come down to one’s personal preference, it seems rather counter intuitive to have to be “pressing the accelerator” to go down a hill that isn’t steep enough to regen miles back into the battery. Having driven a Model Y and Model 3, and now owning an EV6, all I can say is that I prefer making that choice instead of someone telling me (Tesla) how they believe it should be. Hats off to Tesla for what they’ve accomplished, in essence the de facto standard, but imho they are forcing too many things onto their customers (yokes, single tablet design which buries seemingly simple requests into layers of menus, etc). Can’t argue with their success, but they are operating on the first mover advantage. Again, personally, I have found that I can be more efficient with the motors “detached” eating miles using no energy. Also, living in the hilly northeast, slippery conditions are the norm and I would be concerned that aggressive regen under certain conditions could be detrimental. All I can say is that personally, having driven both, I prefer the ability to adjust. Too many folks (not saying you) think that because Musk says it, it musk (ha ha) be so. So with that said, I find it hard to argue against having the ability to drive one pedal style but also have the ability to choose regen aggressiveness. Hope that helps!

[@markmuir7338]

@@bnort1040 I agree with your assessment of over-minimalism and the hoards who protect it solely because it's Musk's wishes. But I have found that most cars have too many physical controls for things that are driver's preferences that only really need to be set once and forgotten about. When it comes to choice of regen level, I heard that the Model S Plaid in track mode gives way more regen than in the normal driving modes. That I find weird - I would always choose the maximum the car is able to deliver! My Zero motorcycle's regen can be adjusted via the phone app or mode selector switch. I tried the different modes for the first few weeks, then stuck with the maximum - haven't changed it in 8 years! On the other hand, my dentist has a Model S and disabled regen entirely, because he "doesn't like the way it violently slows down". Each to their own (driving style?) I guess.

[@camman194]

Coasting doesn't give you as much as regeneration recovers for future use. When going downhill, if you want more speed from coasting, just increase your cruise control speed and then regeneration will keep you there while still getting some regeneration.

[@richardcoughlin8931]

Very informative comparison. For me the pros and cons balance one another out. The Kia has plenty of acceleration so for me the “performance“ advantage of the Tesla is really not important. But at the end of the day the huge price difference, including the $7500 tax credit for the Kia, would steer me to the Kia.

[@Diazfamily213]

EV6 HAS AWD GTLINE which is not the one on video for performance js

[@richardcoughlin8931]

@@Diazfamily213 All I ask of performance is that it gets me onto the freeway when I’m starting from scratch at a stop light entrance control and there’s traffic coming on at 75 mph. It does not have to impress my teenage nephew.

[@amperformance7998]

I'm pretty sure the one in the video is an AWD car as it has the small frunk. The RWD version has a much larger frunk. I have driven (and ordered) a RWD EV6 and the performance is still better than the average ICE car.

[@richardcoughlin8931]

In fact, I would prefer to have a car that does not impress my teenage nephew. I wonder how many of the demonstration of ultra fast acceleration to impress end with accidents.

[@dave8059]

Ben, good video! Both vehicles look like good choices. While I like Elon and what he is doing, I'm leaning towards the Kia for the reliability factor. Also, I've seen too many complaints on the Tesla suspension. Too bad we can't combine the best of both for one super EV!

[@ak_hoops]

Without taking in too much detail, my only issue with this is it seems like they did the usual "let's make a regular car electric". Probably just me pressed about the front. Overall though, I'm glad there are more affordable EVs P.S. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure manufacturers are noticing that many drivers are used to, and like, the butons. I myself Like having most the buttons I have in my civic. I've always wanted a Tesla but the minimalism is tough for me

[@grambo1980]

But can it fit a pinball machine?

[@Saltbox97]

Wouldn't that rear lower cargo spot be a "runk" not "frunk"? given the 'front' trunk area is a frunk. or bunk? ;-)

[@GabisGarage]

Tesla really cheaps out on their product & overprices it. Having a minimalistic interior & everything on the screen looks cool and ‘modern’ to todays market. However it’s really just a way to cut costs. I can’t imagine spending that much money on a vehicle when some of the competitors offer much more value.

[@benjaminsmith2287]

It's an odd car to place. Some Teslas have supercar performance. They have unique tech (beyond the gimmicks, there's useful stuff like sentry mode). They have engaging handling. OTOH, the interiors look stark, the build quality can be iffy, and some areas of soundproofing and ride refinement need work. But Tesla also has the superchargers. They're in a unique place to make their price because of their unique features.

[@karengeyman5562]

I’m still partial to Tesla’s at this time, but if quality control continues to decline then I may look elsewhere. Thank you for your information on the EV6

[@roryohara5196]

Hi Ben. Could you comment on the safety side of these two vehicles? I know that Tesla excels at crash test results and has a reputation for being the safest vehicle to own.

[@Mkvkuv]

We'll have to wait until ncap or nhtsa for that. Ben Sullivan doesn't do crash test in his backyard

[@tomwilson2804]

@@Mkvkuv I'm also sure that "Crash Test Family" would probably violate KZbin Terms of Service for Creators.

[@amperformance7998]

The EV6 does have some safety features that are missing in the MY, central airbag, blind spot monitor, 360 camera, etc. But I haven't seen any crash results.

[@CoryRoper]

It's interesting and sad that the interface on the Telsa has been changed basically for the worst with less buttons/options on the main screen if I'm understanding you right at 17:00 mark. I've had apple CarPlay since i got a used car in 2018 and love it, but thought it wouldn't matter as long as the Tesla navigation and Bluetooth works but now you have me wondering.

[@rvecranges]

I’m in Australia & the Model 3 2021 MIC LFP doesn’t have quality issues like US models. Recent software update has also resolved the missing wiper & seat heater warmer issues. Can also access Plug share in the car.

[@slmdaddy1]

no mention of Kia over the air updates? Kia looks like a decent car but I would suggest never buying the first model of any manufacture. Charging speed as Ben says doesn't matter because unless your doing long road trips you will always charge at home. I don't know that kia does all wheel drive when he did the price comparison all model Y are all wheel drive so this needs to be considered when doing the price comparison. Being a huge apple fan can't say I miss Apple car play. Tesla has good apps that work well in my opinion. I am not sure about the Kia for watching movies or you tube or sound system or sentry cam but high marks for Tesla in these areas along with highest safety rating and excellent warranty and service at your door if needed. in the end some nice to have things in the Kia but not enough for me to think oh wished I bought one of those.

[@jameshoffman552]

Ben Sullens -- Notorious Tesla hater. From whece came the hate? Some theorize that it's the promised Roadster 2.0s. Others that it's someting about their manly attributes. Whatever the issue, Ben's content remains as entertaining as ever.

[@MsAjax409]

I don't think Ben hates Tesla, but I do think, like many KZbinrs, he needs a formula that keeps the revenue flowing in. There's an audience for a channel that presents a more critical view of Tesla, and it looks like he's found it. I personally think he's gone too far in that direction though. This review is not particularly objective in my opinion.

[@silverstake88]

Good comparison video, Ben. We live in Colorado so AWD is a must-have. So a comparison there would be interesting. Just took a road trip to California, up to Oregon coast and then Idaho back to Colorado. Storage is a must-have. Superchargers worked flawlessly. Can't say the same for the other chargers we checked out along the way. That's a huge factor for us.

[@donwilber1628]

Hard to find an EV6 here, and the only one I see at the nearest dealer has a $10k dealer markup.

[@DavidPeck-DP]

Really helpful review thanks and great to have Jennie's view. She didn't mention AA or CP, doesn't she used them? Also you didn't say anything about Tesla's FSD?

[@onlineo2263]

Good comparison. I like the EV6 until I saw how small the trunk /boot is in person. It is basically a model 3 competitor. Sadly not enough storage for us. Personally I prefer the model Y software/ui but would definitely take the 2 screens over the 1 screen on the Tesla. Reliability wise the Kia ev6 seems to have a lot of issues with charging and with its app (say trying to set your car to charge up off-peak overnight)... But I can't say that the our Model X is reliable, its warranty expires this year so we are certain to sell it!

[@pauliusvindzigelskis2224]

Model X is most over-engineered car probably in the world :D there is no doubt why it is so unreliable. Probably mostly due to automatic door handles and back wings, right? Which doesn't exist in 3/Y

[@ec7287]

Thanks for' an informative review of the EV6. I currently have a2019 Leaf. Given the advances in technology in the EV6 and the upcoming Nissan Ariya, I'm kind of looking around. One thing I hope you'll pay more attention to in future videos is the quality of the picture. There was a lot of shadows and darkness, particularly on the interior shots of the storage in the back.

[@RogueBeatsARG]

Yea it can, in build quality and specially in looks

[@SundayShi]

“Pressure-sensitive-thing"...😂 In other parts of the world, people call it a "spring".

[@teslasnek]

A bigger miss on the Kia infotainment for me would be the lack integrated charging map in navigation: in the Tesla, you can put in any address in the US, and it will plot everything for you. Road tripping is still a nightmare in other EVs by comparison.

[@StephenDeLaRosa]

Good thing is that any EV with AA or CP can use Plugshare, ABRP, or EA apps to find chargers then navigate with Google maps. We do this with our ID4.

[@teslasnek]

@@StephenDeLaRosa I've used those services too, and they don't even come close to making up for the simplicity and ease of use of Tesla's integrated system. What really makes the difference is how accurately it predicts how much battery you'll have at every stop!

[@StephenDeLaRosa]

Definitely. I love that in my Model 3. But the ID4 has 3yrs of free fast charging and the onboard system from VW is trash.

[@Oliver1071]

Kia is definitely a nice option. I still went with Tesla. Just buying in to a company that's 100% focused on EV's wins me over. They are efficient, fast and you really feel like you're not just buying an ICE car with a battery. I also for once can finally get behind an American company. It's about time! Tesla is doing so much right here. Honestly the price if it's higher supporting an American startup sign me up if they have a good product. I think the Kia looks better than my Model 3 outside but I love the interior of the M3. And the performance man I don't know if I could give that up. Maybe when the EV6 GT comes out. The current GT Line is just to slow. Providing the 120v off of the battery is super nice on the kia and i think there's even a 120v plug in the back seat that's so nice.

[@garrygballard8914]

Great job Ben, its nice hearing your wife's opinion as well.

[@Victorious200567]

When you opened the rear trunk of both vehicles I did not see a spare tire in either vehicle. Do they come with a spare tire? If so where are the located?

[@dankollars4501]

which car has the least squeaks and rattles? which car is quieter on the hwy?

[@ericm.7923]

I’ve watched so many EV6 videos and they are all rehashing the same talking points and features - in the first 30 seconds of your video you already pointed out something nobody else has - thanks for the video!

[@Delvin.Serrata]

Hey Ben, Can you confirm if it’s true that the tray in the center console no longer comes with the 2022 TESLA model Y vehicles. I took delivery on March,11,2022 for a 2022 LR AWD MODEL Y. Yesterday I told Tesla that I’m missing the tray in the center console and that’s what my delivery center said

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

No clue, sorry

[@teledopo]

I was wondering what the differences are in terms of car warranty in the US? In Europe Kia gives a full car 7 year or 150.000 km ‘whatever comes first’-warranty (with unlimited kms during the first 3 years), while Tesla only provides 4 years or 80.000 km ‘whatever comes first’-warranty on the car + 8 years or 192.000 km only on the battery.

[@thomasbihn]

I checked out both and looking at like-for-like, cost isn't far apart. The GT-Line AWD MSRP is around $58K with a nearly $4K dealer markup as the cheapest I can get for it. That means it will cost me roughly $62K. The Model Y AWD is just $2K to $4K more. You do get the $7500 credit with the EV6 though.

[@iargueta1220]

Kia did just like I predicted over a year ago! They bypassed Toyota, Honda, and Nissan, not to mention the German brands, and went straight after Tesla with its EVs. They didn’t disappoint! The car is a lot more practical than a Tesla with that giant screen that requires you to use it for EVERYTHING 🤦🏻‍♂️ It’s so much easier to lower the volume with a knob or change the temperature instead of having to search through a menu all the time. Good job Kia! I’m waiting on the GT to come out!!! Can’t wait 😝

[@James-mw7zv]

Kia looks wayyyy better inside and outside regardless of the price and features.

[@rufdymond]

Remember you do get a slightly larger frunk if you get the rear wheel drive version of the EV6…By the way the wired android auto and Apple car play thing is down to Kia being in a dispute with Apple and Google about how this should be implemented. Until that gets resolved we are denied having wireless functionality.

[@Ron841000]

Question why are cars today, have No Spare tire? And can the kia ev6 have space for a spare tire?

[@terrysullivan1992]

Did you say, at 13:25, that you can't use "a better route planner" on your Tesla big screen ? Really .

[@ChrisLeiter]

22:09 - if I couldn't charge at home, I wouldn't consider an EV unless I had free charging at work.

[@honesty_-no9he]

Do ICE car owners have free fuel stations?

[@ChrisLeiter]

@@honesty_-no9he you’re missing the point

[@사이프레스-y5c]

I loved EV6 GT Line but ended up buying Y performance because of two reasons: 1) I have two young kids so that I need a larger second raw space; 2) I need huge cargo area. I used to have GTI and I loved it. But my wife hated it because it's the car only for me...

[@ji3200]

Model 3 and model Y is like honda civic of tesla. I rather go for high class model like Model X or model S

[@사이프레스-y5c]

@@ji3200 You can buy 2 model y performances instead of buying a model x with same money.

[@edwardboylan4187]

Apple car play/Android auto integration is such a basic new car 'thing' just the option is a point in any 'non tesla' ev. It's so frustrating not having any other option to make your own car more useable without 'hacking' and voiding a warranty.

[@acolon8999]

Android user here (Pixel Phone). I've never used Android Auto. A quick Google search says that you can use it to mirror apps on your phone. How is that better or more convenient than using the apps built into the vehicles UI? I would think that for example the navigation app in the vehicle would be better since it knows your battery state of change, it can give you better updated information. Also I am going to assume that Bluetooth can be used to play music from sources not available in the vehicle's UI. Again I've never used it so I don't know anything about it but it seems like it's an extra step added to a simple process. When driving I might not have my phone with me, or I might not want to look at my phone while driving. I don't know maybe I should try it to see if it makes sense because at first glance it doesn't. In my opinion, which like I said it's very limited on that third party app.

[@edwardboylan4187]

@@acolon8999 I'd say it'd useful in the 3 as an overlay or interface on the display still. Just something like reporting debri on the road or a speed trap ahead/seeing it from others is useful. The last update messed with the maps zoom in/put as well which you have no way to edit/personalize

[@acolon8999]

@@edwardboylan4187 Thanks for the answer. So you can display Waze on you car screen.

[@edwardboylan4187]

@@acolon8999 negative, sorry. You cannot currently display waze in your tesla display. I used it on my phone on a mount on longer car trips

[@acolon8999]

@@edwardboylan4187 I knew you couldn't use it on a Tesla display, I am wondering if you can use it on other cars that have CarPlay and Android Auto. I am trying to figure out what can those users do that can't be done on a Tesla using a smartphone and Bluetooth. What are Tesla owners missing by not having those apps. In other words can I display/cast my phone screen using Android Auto to a vehicle that supports Android Auto?

[@StevenHoagland]

Fantastic review and comparison. Loved the different perspectives. Thanks! I'm now subscribed.

[@johnburr9463]

You are getting so objective and thorough in your assessments that you are becoming the Zack (from JerryRigEverything) of the EV space. You need to do a review of Zack's home brew version of an EV Hummer.