Talking to a Brick Wall

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[@insanityplus2196]

The problem is his brain is a closed system and any information that contradicts his beliefs have no access.

[@dersebro779]

Mayde my day😂

[@BatManokov]

That's a hilarious comment 😂

[@leoploriodon]

This guy is acting like it's impossible to cook rice in my house because the average temperature in my house never reaches the boiling point of water.

[@porkramen]

Perfect analogy

[@Ever_J13]

This exactly

[@lubrew5862]

Yes, that is his thinking. He thinks it is possible to cook the rice without boiling his house because of god. That is the disconnect, he thinks god is the solution to the issue

[@darrylelder8024]

The irony of the entropy discussion was the predictability of you both explaining the same thing to him infinity times.

[@zachthehunter]

This guy just got a full physics lesson. People pay for that shit and he's still like nuh-uh

[@whiterhino4969]

"I hate to argue with someone who has a PhD, but this is my belief" 🤦

[@alexritchie4586]

Every moment of every day your fridge sits in the corner of your kitchen quietly and calmly combating entropy.

[@bokoura]

I was gonna comment something similar with an air conditioning example, but a fridge might be even easier to understand. The total heat of the system (your house) increases while your fridge is running, but obviously the inside of the fridge is cooler than your kitchen.

[@tuncho954]

If this guy is a pre-med student, his future patients are in for a hellava shock.

[@SheyVick]

I'm not convinced he can tie his own shoes, there is zero chance he is capable of completing a college degree of any type.

[@ivanpetrov5255]

Or he'll fail the exam. Plus, he was arguing physics, not medicine. Maybe his medicine knowledge is better? Hopefully 😅

[@JR-kn6rs]

​@ivanpetrov5255 idk given his whole worldview is premised on denying evolution, he may have difficulty reconciling his 'pre-med' lab work on other mammals etc with human physiology -_-

[@eukaryote-prime]

90 minutes on this?!?!!? NINETY MINUTES OF GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES?!?!? I’m halfway, but I’m out. I can’t believe the patience you guys showed him.

[@JR-kn6rs]

Being 95% of the way through this feels like a real accomplishment. We should get medals for our perseverance.

[@lydiafrye1204]

Is anyone else worried that this guy said he was pre med and he doesn’t have the basics of bacteria down?

[@jr-pn1dt]

bc he was probably lying

[@David34981]

Not only bacteria

[@lubrew5862]

Depends on his definition of pre-med. I met freshman in college in their first term referring to themselves as pre-med. So he could be still be in his first year of college

[@MK-Ultra0]

"I hate to argue with someone with a Ph.D", but my religion is making me. Here's an equivalent argument (what's the actual term?): I coonect a LED to a battery. Since the battery will eventually run out, the LED can't work right now. Genius. Pure genius.

[@scottbarboza1834]

I love how the script your caller reads inserts the qualifiers “better/worse” and “more/less complex” into its description of the second law. I love also how the reader of the script argues that, since the universe is an isolated system, the minuscule part of the system containing just the earth must also be an isolated system. The qualifiers and the argument betray the complete ignorance of thermodynamics of both the scriptwriter and the reader. The second law is silent on whether things will get “better” or “worse” over time. And, as far as we know, the universe is isolated, but one cannot say the same of any individual subdivision of the universe. His confusion about these things, however, is EXACTLY consistent with the newly discovered fourth law of thermodynamics: “Christians who don’t understand thermodynamics and who learn a tiny bit from other christians who also don’t understand thermodynamics will come to believe that they know more about thermodynamics than people who actually do understand the subject.” It seems to be a very unfortunate, but fundamental law of the universe.

[@patriceriksson7924]

25:38 This is all pointless. He is not debating evolution, he is actually defending his favorite imaginary friend.

[@SchiwiM]

He confused himself by reading creationist websites and then even argued with a physics guy as if he knows more than him 😭

[@fredmench4552]

His brain is a closed system affected by entropy.😂 But seriously, he's pre-med? That $#%+ is crazy!

[@DemiImp]

This guy isn't listening 😂 Every time you talk, he immediately jumps to a counter thought and isn't actually pausing his own thoughts to listen.

[@jr-pn1dt]

thats most people that come on these lives, theyre not here to learn or debate theyre just here to reiterate arguments theyve heard before to say “gotcha!”

[@williamcozart8158]

The way he describes the universe as "better" or "worse" is really weird.

[@baseplate_462]

Dude i actually learned so much about entropy. Atfirst i was like "what hes saying kinda makes sense" and as it went on i quickly realized earth isn't a closed system and how much that matters.

[@dansmith7009]

Yeah, even his whole analogy is dumb. If we are comparing life on earth to boiling water on the stove, the burner = the sun. Yes, science agrees that if we turn off the sun, life on earth would quickly degenerate, until the only things left alive was life based around the thermal energy from the earth’s core, hydrothermal ocean vents.

[@dansmith7009]

That’s only the first half of why it’s silly. Even once you look at the solar system as a closed system (which, it isn’t exactly, but close enough), then the total entropy is increasing, but the entropy on earth is decreasing. The sun turning an absurd amount of hydrogen into helium and radiation makes so much more entropy. It’s like saying gravity only pulls things down, and saying it makes a trebuchet impossible. Or using a rope and pulley with a rock to lift water. Heavy thing being pulled down can make lighter thing get pulled up, but gravity is pulling the average center mass down overall.

[@rmelzhim6033]

I couldn't even make it past 10 minutes and you dealt with this dunce for 94 minutes. You are a legend.

[@slightlyaboveaveragebutaverage]

You can tell he only respects the word of the guy with a phd lol. Dude probably did half a semester and still says he's pre med.

[@Slum0vsky]

Anti-evolutioner's whole argument: BUT MUH STRAWMAN!

[@thomasb7347]

He says he needs easier terms to explain physics but moments before was using physics to prove his beliefs

[@displacegamer1379]

33:00 what's crazy is he understands that we eat food. So we are directly transferring energy from outside sources into our body via caloric metabolic processes. So I don't understand why he's even talking about this.

[@RecRoomRon]

It’s scary that there are millions of people just like this kid who not only fail to understand these concepts but refuses to understand them. And the irony that if he had just kept reading further he would’ve seen that it was a bogus claim. Why attempt to learn anything if the answer always boils down to god?

[@PlatonsArm]

Also, it doesn’t automatically mean more and more complex life forms. It’s about adaptation.

[@ivanpetrov5255]

I believe the idea is going from generic to more specific, which sometimes necessitates complexity. And that is driven by environmental pressure. AFAIK, sharks have experienced very little change because they are very successful in their current form. But don't quote me on that 😅, I'm no biologist.

[@raymondregis6219]

Entropy is like a cosmic accountant tracking all energy transactions. The 2nd law just says that these transactions are not 100% efficient. That's all - no magical force to reduce usable energy in all situations and at all times.

[@ZackBurnsOG]

If you have to ask what oscillating means, you aren't qualified to have a debate on relativity or entropy at all.

[@ThorsDecree]

I hope he's not premed because he wants to be a phlebotomist XD

[@RAYROD]

Holy shit I can’t believe I stuck around for the whole thing. I deserve some kind of award. This was exhausting.

[@whillb]

Oooooh… An hour n a half! Saving this for bedtime. Lol 👍🏻

[@porkramen]

Imagine being this confident about something you understand this little.

[@PhilLagging]

The title is not clickbait, this guy is a wall.

[@kaweckipiotr]

Hes just stuck. He cant admit the point becouse his point goes out of the window … so he will never admit it

[@zachthehunter]

Wow... This guy has so little understanding.

[@MillaYlinen]

It just means that he doesn´t understand. He dont want to. Because of god.

[@Detson404]

Maybe a different metaphor would have helped? “You’ve got a gas generator with a full tank. Where from? No idea. You use the generator to run a grow lamp to grow food in a greenhouse. You start with tiny seedlings but over time your greenhouse gets more and more full of bigger and more succulent plants. You are able to eat the food you grow for years and years but eventually the gas runs out and you starve.”

[@Alexandratheberge]

holy crap this guy is excausting

[@JR-kn6rs]

I don't know what this word is but I believe it is the correct one

[@DatHombre]

^It's a combo of "exhausting" and "caustic (to our brain cells"), I think

[@LoneWolfeMedia]

I’m only two minutes in and I’m already shaking. First of all, his incredibly reductive assessment of entropy as things “getting worst” and evolution as things “getting better” is so juvenile even a fifth grader would find it insulting. The second law of thermodynamics and the theory of evolution through social Darwinism are two completely separate concepts, not too mention evolution takes place here on earth whereas thermodynamics are happening at every surface level, down to the most minuscule scale.

[@TheSavvyDevil]

The earth is not the universe. Not hard to understand.

[@Virtualblueart]

He seriously had to look up if the sun existed before the earth did. And he doesn't get entropy and reversing entropy by adding external energy at all.

[@Jo-JoandTaffy]

Well, if he is a Christian, then he believes that a god made the earth before he/she/it made the stars (the sun).

[@jasonroelle5261]

Getting better or worse is relative. There is no intrinsic better or worse. Stuff is better or worse, relatively to something.

[@RAYROD]

💯

[@jr-pn1dt]

“were gonna start small and then move forward, so the earth gets energy from the sun, right?” “but were talking about the universe!☝️🤓”

[@byrds58sylvie]

whats scary is that he is premed! hope he increases the entropy of his faith in gahwd before then.

[@seraphinaaizen6278]

This is what you get when someone is just reading an argument from a creationist website, and hasn't bothered educating themselves on what a single word they said even MEANS.

[@Extraterrestrial-Bilu]

"Why do these propaganda sources with quote mining I looked for to confirm my bias all agree with me?"

[@petergunz3353]

Evolution does not say anything about things getting better. I don't know why you didn't challenge him on that.

[@ticker0157]

You think that would have changed his mind lol

[@jr-pn1dt]

evolution is doing just enough like he says

[@anlacombe]

if a fire exists then scientifically water can't exist therefore god made everything, that's what i hear this guy saying... I think he said he's in pre-med...

[@bexhand2968]

Isn't he demonstrating confirmation bias? He's acknowledged that he can't determine a credible source from biased religious propaganda, but then he still searches for sources to confirm his beliefs, in order to challenge the one person in the room whose opinion he claims to respect...cos he clearly doesn't respect Eric, and despite being told so many times that he is not understanding the concepts being discussed, he still googles websites to confirm his belief, whilst asking if they are credible! It's crazy!

[@porkramen]

1:30:02 guest doesnt know how lotteries work. They're unexplainable. Hahahah what a joke

[@Imrightyourewrong1]

How arrogant are you when I think you think all the experts just failed to consider the second law of thermodynamics instead of you not understanding what the law actually says.

[@Nekotaku_TV]

My brain could not handle this amount of time with such a person.

[@reikouyama]

i think this is a good way to explain it to people like him. Your phone has a battery. the energy in that battery is finite. but the energy from your electric socket is infinite comparatively. so when you plug the charger into your phone. you effectively "open" the system. making energy flow into the previously closed system

[@Robbie_the_Rabbit]

His WHOLE argument boils down to "it has to be fake because it makes my God not real."

[@kaleelgeoff3902]

I was shouting in my head while watching, tell him the sun is the element/flame under the pot, it keeps adding energy. Once the sun dies in billions of years then yes we will be in trouble.

[@guitarizard]

40:34 he keeps switching scale between the universe the earth and the pot. When you're talking about the earth he's talking about the universe. When you're talking about the universe he's talking about the pot o ramen. When you talk about the pot o ramen he switches back to the universe😂.

[@Dualis58]

he's arguing against someone who's significantly more knowledgeable in this topic and is acting like he's right

[@tannerwagner9140]

This kid is one of those people that just ends up pissing you off.

[@KWH616]

I would have used a gasoline/petrol example. your car can go through all sorts of changes over time as long as you have gas, but one day there will be no gas, and what's left in the tank is your closed system.

[@Profato]

Its sad honestly, fighting for his life trying to debunk something that he cant afford to be true or his faith will fall apart.

[@LuciferAlmighty]

Actually evolution says if the most simplistic is the most fit at the time then it's "better".

[@wolfgangbeeber2086]

What he’s saying is “His belief system can resist logical reasoning better than yours can!”

[@ThatGuy-ot1gt]

Playing Dave The Diver whilst listening. When dude said the pot on the stove is an isolated system my character slapped his face and I laughed out loud. 😂

[@fmdj]

2:00 life actually has an excellent thermodynamic "justification" in that the processes life creates are great at dissipating energy

[@gateroozeink5061]

Why do they use science to argue their point that science is wrong?

[@guitarizard]

He's definitely not "using science". He's using creationist arguments.

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

If you believe this caller , it will be impossible to heat up a bowl of rice, if the energy in the universe must always decrease. You can have localized increases. Do we need divine intervention to build a campfire?

[@ThePsyko420]

The pot is the earth, the burner is the sun, and the ramen is life

[@bjrn-andrehenriksen6289]

No one: How do I sound more scripted? This dude: Hold my beer Peterson wins as always🤌🏻

[@MrMamfbr]

he should've stressed more the fact earth is not a closed system. entropy on earth decreases at the cost sun's entropy increase

[@attichatchsound-bobkowal5328]

It is a MIRACLE that these guys stayed patient for so long!

[@Edward_Scissor_Feet]

That brick wall is thick 🤦🏽‍♂️. Using the boiling water analogy….the water started at ambient temperature, energy was added and the water boiled, heat was removed and the water cools. You can’t claim that the water never boiled or the ramen was never cooked in that process because the water ended in the same state (virtually all though entropy did increase at a slower rate) that it started. Entropy does not effect everything at all times at the same level.

[@Bunny99s]

Yes, the entropy of the closed system we call the universe does increase. However that doesn't mean that parts inside the system can not decrease entropy. The sun as it fuses hydrogen it actually increases entropy of the universe. However that energy that is emitted can reduce the entropy at a different place, like on earth. So that energy can create order here on earth but the total entropy of the universe is still increasing as the sun emits much more energy. Well, I just realise that you just explained that very thing to him but he still doesn't get it ^^.... Say the earth has an energy of "1000" (no units) and the sun has potential energy of "1000000000000000". The sun is loosing energy while the earth may increase it's energy. So the sun may loose several times the total amount of energy the earth has each day and "some" of that energy can increase the energy of the earth (and therefore lower the entropy on the earth). omg :) I'm just at 54:00 It's just painful how he can not do the basics of fact checks. He said all scientific sources he looked up said that evolution violates entropy. The actual scientific source in his list clearly said the opposite but he didn't read beyond the headline.... The other sources are religious sources. That explains a lot. If you're not able to properly "research" and evaluate and judge a source, no wonder people end up at wacky conclusions. Mix it with confirmation bias and you get a flat earther, evolution denier or anti vaxxer.

[@thomasb7347]

He seems to think that evolution is some sort of directed idea towards a goal what is just change? The change can technically be for the worst like when A snake grows legs and those legs cause it to die or a two headed animal. The mutatoons and shifts that have an effect on systems don't always have to be beneficial or "better"

[@morganm1225]

So……………you’re saying there’s a chance? 😂

[@chrispysaid]

evolution says organisms get better at being fit in their particular environment, not that they like level up and become objectively superior

[@displacegamer1379]

31:00 So to use his own analogy. The universe is the pot, in the earth is the ramen, but the earth is still in the state of cooking and not in the final state of cooked. So the Earth, much like the ramen, is still accepting the transfer of energy from the the Sun into its ecosystem. Then what's the sun stops functioning, the Earth's core stops being active, and the gravitational force of orbit stops acting upon the planet then you'll have a cooked earth.

[@guitarizard]

When the sun gets closer to the end it will expand and consume the earth.

[@rstevewarmorycom]

No guys, entropy DOES always increase everywhere, but the living portion of matter stores energy AND builds structure, both of which are negatively entropic, and so this SLOWS the net contribution of local entropy!!! When sugars are burned or structure catabolized, those are posiitively entropic!! But as long as Life stores more energy in sugars than it burns, and anabolically builds structure as much as is catabolized, then Life makes a slight ANTI-entropic contribution to the Net entropy!!

[@jasonroelle5261]

I was thinking the second law of thermodynamics says that entropy either stays the same or increases, but never decreases. I did not think it said it always decreases.

[@Bunny99s]

A plant for example "grow" and therefore reduce the entropy by creating organic structure. It processes CO2 and H2O and produces carbo-hydrates and oxygen with the help of the energy they receive from the sun. The actual structure of the plant has a lower entropy compared to the molecules it processes in order to grow. This is possible because it "uses" the energy from the sun. The sun is increasing it's entropy as it "looses" energy. All of life have similar mechanisms to use energy and producing local lower entropy and therefore create more complex structure.

[@jr-pn1dt]

*loses but I hear you

[@KWH616]

alright one hour 15 minutes in and I think I got it. its winter , one house is insulated and doesnt need to heat very much so it uses candles, another house is not insulated at all and has a fireplace thats constantly burning. boom .

[@studiooriginals]

I like how not only does he have these beliefs, he's so certain of them that every contradiction is met with a "WHAT?!??"

[@derrickminion9874]

He is trying to connect the laws of thermodynamics to biological processes.. our cells are always dying and replicating.. the food and air we breath allows production of brand new tissue and blood..

[@BaronVonQuiply]

I'm reminded of Keffals vs Human Pet Guy, where the goal wasn't to arrive at the truth, but rather to find the loophole that makes them not wrong. It's a kid on the back of a bus on the way to kindergarten who's arguing that Batman can fly faster than Super Man, and when you remind him that Batman can't fly, responds with "Exactly!" and then quote mines a pop-sci magazine article about Supersymmetry to insist that Krypton was a binary system therefore Superman is under double gravity and Batman wins. Give me your yogurt.

[@Nordicat.]

Some random guy thinks he can disprove evolution hahahaha.

[@mr-oso-8055]

Willful ignorance

[@nicholasbanton]

Out of curiosity I looked up whether or not the universe is an open or closed system. The best answer I found was: The jury's still out. Most cosmologists lean towards a closed system based on current observations. However, dark energy and the possibility of a multiverse keep the question open for further investigation. So, the universe is likely closed based on most the current evidence but the ambiguity of dark energy and the potential for a multiverse leaves no definitive conclusion at this time. Someone correct me if I am incorrect.

[@LanceHall]

Why didn't celluar entropy stop the caller from developing from 2 simple sex cells to a much more complex adult with trillions of cells?

[@ThorsDecree]

Repeat after me, class: EARTH. IS. _NOT._ A. *CLOSED.* *SYSTEM.* Why don't they ever actually _read_ what the 2nd law of thermodynamics is??? Do they not realize how literally _ignorant_ that argument is??

[@ThorsDecree]

I think this kid is _trying_ to understand, but the idea he's pre-med is terrifying. Seems like he just can't connect the dots.

[@miskatonic_alumni]

Creationists indoctrinate their children to be scientifically illiterate. You should look up their homeschool textbooks and prepare to be shocked.

[@spin.chicken]

Entropy isn't going to carry over to another organism.... I, as an individual, suffer from entropy, but that doesn't mean that entropy carries over to my child. Which is why it doesn't work on a species level, but does work at an individual level.

[@mburge1989]

I don’t get this dude. He’s pre-med??? I’m not pre-med or a physicist and I could fully understand what they were trying to teach him. It just seems like he doesn’t WANT it to be true, therefore it isn’t true. Personal truths(not truths) are a problem in society. 😂

[@spencer183]

It sounds like he was getting a little too caught up in the terminology and logic of the idea of entropy instead of fully just understanding what you guys were saying about energy as it exists as a whole. I’ve dealt with people who have issues like this when I was a writing tutor in college and it can often be tough to find the right words for each person. With a lot of your videos it is obvious some people are refusing to learn, but it’s hard for me to say in this case that if this guest had the right teacher they still wouldn’t understand it. Seems like they are so close but not quite there. The further I get into this video though, the more I wonder if he really is just impossible to teach 😂

[@Andy_Babb]

Dude is supposedly premed?? If my doctor _EVER_ divulged to me that they were a creationist, believe in young earth or that the earth was flat, I would _IMMEDIATELY_ be seeking a new PCP.

[@Extraterrestrial-Bilu]

With this creationists logic babies growing up, or "getting better", breaks the second law of thermodynamics.

[@davewaring73]

I liked this guy. He was trying to be good faith. Give it time i think he could come around.

[@David34981]

He might have been trying, but he failed very hard

[@porkramen]

He's too hung up on his homeschooling

[@Robeebert]

"I don't know anything, and therefore I know everything." - Every Christian ever.

[@ThatGuy-ot1gt]

Did he just say pre-med? Oh no..

[@WetDoggo]

he's been asking questions as gotchas almost the whole time... seldomly he actually has questions with the intent of furthering his understanding... very sad to watch

[@odinson6348]

Evolution doesn't assert that life forms "get better" over time. That makes no sense.

[@LuigiMordelAlaume]

More entropy = things get worse 😆

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

Conversation would have been a lot shorter if the caller actually finished reading the first sentence he was basing his arguements on 😅

[@petergunz3353]

Plus, evolution is just the change in Specie, that has jack shit to do with the universe or space. you let him take you down a rabbit trail😢

[@ricktaylor4real]

1:14:46 Eric…. How did you and Blitz keep going with this guy? He wasn’t being disingenuous, that was clear, but he was LIKE he was disingenuous! It’s like he was refusing to learn anything. Until you verified what he FEELS is right, until you give him the answer he wants, he will NEVER learn, never take in new information, never advance. As I said, he is most likely being genuine in the questions he’s asking, but even at that he is borderline trolling. Especially when he keeps getting “sources” to back up he FEELINGS that are awful. He’s googling and taking whatever is thrown up first - he’s not taking in to consideration that the first results are usually PAID results. They’re not the best results, they’re most certainly not accurate or true, they are there because they PAID to be there. That is grade 5 learning…. they learn in grade 5 to get CREDIBLE resources, and he’s not anywhere close to doing that. The worst part, he keeps over talking both of you. There is no way he can hear you while he’s talking over you. That alone should have him booted from the show because that IS trolling. Overall he’s not trying to do that, but he’s too closed minded to see he IS doing that. He keeps asking Blitz specifically because he FEELS he has a better chance of “winning” with him. Originally I thought that he believed Blitz was easier to deal with than Eric, but he knows he CAN’T get past you! 1:25:30 - Here, as his source, he is trying to use a quote from someone… that source is from Goodreads.com, a book REVIEW site. That’s like using IMDB for a source. Better…. it’s like using Yelp as your source to prove something. I’m sitting here practically screaming at my phone saying “HANG UP ON THIS POTATO”!! 😂🤣 👍🏼☮️

[@eddieryan7246]

I have a degree in bio-pharmaceuticals and molecular genetics and any evolution debate here has me screaming at my phone 😂

[@bcsc1255]

Even as a pest control technician it has me screaming during my commutes lmao. Can’t imagine how you or anyone who’s devoted themselves to this category of science feel