Rethinking Feminism in the Modern World | Mary Harrington | EP 79

This episode was recorded on June 16th, 2023.
Mary Harrington, a distinguished contributing editor at UnHerd and esteemed author of Feminism Against Progress, possesses an impressive repertoire of published work. Her insightful contributions have graced the pages of prestigious publications such as the London Times, the New Statesman, the Spectator, First Things, the New York Post, and the Mail on Sunday, among others.
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- Chapters -
00:00 - Coming Up
01:00 - Mary Discusses Modern Feminism and Social Progress
04:30 - Tammy on Women's Spaces and Autonomy
09:15 - Mary Reflects on Gender Roles and Family Dynamics
14:26 - The Evolution of Women's Roles and Industrialization
19:19 - Impact of Birth Control and Modern Medicine on Women
24:46 - Discussing Freedom and Its Costs in Modern Society
30:13 - Rethinking Relationships and Marriage in Today's World
35:02 - Men's Spaces and the Role of Male Bonding
40:02 - Women in Sports and the Dynamics of Male Groups
45:00 - How Personal and Social Relationships Shape Our Lives
50:14 - The Future of Feminism and Family Dynamics in the 21st Century

[@anthonybrett]

Tammy you're on fire of late. So many great guests. You're giving your husband a run for his money! Keep it up. Loving it.

[@margaretmaeda2548]

The most enjoyable interview with Mary Harrington I've listened to. It covered all the dilemmas of my fifty odd years of adulthood, the last 18 years as a caregiver. It's helpful to see it as part of the work of marriage, especially for women, who have a longer life expectancy, not something to grit your teeth through.

[@hayleys1260]

This should be required viewing for young women now.

[@Ingrid0410]

Good discussion. Its exhausting to be constantly fighting about roles. God created man and woman. We’re different. We need to accept this to be truly happy. I am totally OK with saying and believing women are the weaker sex. The women’s movement in the 60s ruined women, families and society. The family is the main unit of society! When that falls apart, society falls apart. Congratulations on your book! God bless you both💜

[@firequeen7872]

Agree 100%

[@nhung-huynguyen7839]

That’s why God only rule in the Eden Garden is “Obedient “ to Him

[@GraceHarwood88]

Physically weaker maybe.

[@manaloola2018]

Are you content with a lower status than men? As a woman you should not strive to be any more than a homemaker? I cherish home and family too but I have interests that I want to pursue. Interests that would take me away from being an angel of the hearth. If you accept that as a woman your only role is that of homemaker. I appreciate her argument though. I just cannot accept that there is nothing more to me than the traditional role

[@firequeen7872]

@@manaloola2018 for me personally yes. Also I do not believe that being a mother and home maker equals lower status to men simply a different one. We are superior care givers and home makers and men are superior in their ways, building hunting etc. It saddens me greatly that the value of a mother at home is so easily tossed aside and degraded. The gift to society at large of children raised lovingly with a parent in the home is incalculable. I cannot think of many things more honourable than that or high status.

[@rebeccapenders5050]

This was awesome! I always love hearing from/reading Mary. I especially appreciate your touching on the topic of "assisted dying." I use a wheelchair. MAID is murder.

[@banid8699]

As a child reading the story of Mary and Martha in the gospels helped me with the clearing the table dilemma. I knew I was a Mary, so it pleased me to see that Jesus considered learning more important than clearing the table.

[@daddycool228]

Not suggesting your point is all wrong in my opinion but I wonder if it is more than merely learning. I read it as being with Jesus is being in the presence of God. Stop busting yourself and just embrace the moment and "be" and that's where we will find God.

[@louiseparker1915]

I love Mary Harrington! Her insights are gold!

[@MAzurburg]

I love how I feel like I'm getting mentally challenged by the guests on the show! Truly strong feminine figures :) I bought the book!

[@pallavidawson7933]

Mary is a brilliant academic and also a lovely person. She sent me a really kind email following a general substack offer for her readers to guest post. I’ll always remember that!

[@lemongrass9070]

Mary is not an academic, which is why she is worth hearing. An independant thinker

[@00Daddy]

Pallavi dawson whats with your name 😅 Christian or hindu or converted to Christianity

[@00Daddy]

Pallavi dawson whats with your name 😅 Christian or hindu or converted to Christianity

[@ldevon2318]

Oooooo. A super pleasant surprise to see these two talking!!! When two worlds collide etc.

[@Xsinx_Noir]

what a great interview. nice work to the both of you. Thank You!

[@youngpianists1]

What a great interview! Thank you both!

[@umwha]

Ive heard alot of women be very suprised at how their feelings change when they have a baby.

[@moniquemcgriskin652]

I think Tammy & Jordan should offer the following training….. How to Find a Spouse How to Be a Spouse How To Parent

[@ana-luisazamora4248]

What a wonderful interview. I loved it. I guess I’ll get the book.

[@iiyaman69]

WoW great talk you had there! Thanks for that and I wish you both all the best.

[@sekritskwirl6106]

thanks for having the guts to tell the truth

[@Tamar-sz8ox]

Younger people are having difficulty w socializing and finding relationships ( friendships , non romantic and romantic ones )

[@LordBlk]

This is great!

[@nhung-huynguyen7839]

Blessed are those who desire to seek pleasure in God, for they will be filled with joy, pleasure, and find true happiness.

[@skylinefever]

Plenty of people tried it, got no ROI, and went atheist as a result.

[@dianamarie1652]

Love you Tammy!

[@PHMJ-jy3he]

great discussion

[@Ruby_Spacek]

Great interview! I’m a feminist but nothing about modern mainstream feminism reflects my beliefs or desires

[@francikeen]

Feminism is history! No one pays any attention to 21st century feminism, except for Conservatives, who blame it for all society's problems, so they can exonerate men.

[@raewyne5599]

Haha, when my mother used appliances that fuzziness would happen to the TV or the radio as well 😂

[@bumpercoach]

Main thing is too many refuse to admit they swallow the scam of the enemy of their happiness

[@stevenbratz7333]

The answer to your unresolved dilemma is, there is joy in taking care of those you love.

[@priscillalongworth1720]

Yes. Having the vote forced on us by a handful of women, and governing bodies of men, was the worst thing that happened to women. Let us be women, maidens, mothers, and matriarchs, again. Leave men's spaces, including politics, and let us go home!

[@IntrospectiveHousewife]

I normally discuss my ballot with my husband anyway. I've only voted differently a few times on county and state issues, and I've honestly regretted my choices. The one time we were both wrong was voting in favor of reintroducing wolves into Colorado, and I was the one that convinced him. I find that most women think with their personal feelings first before logic (others never even touching logic at all). It can be beneficial when trying to help the underdog, but even so, I've noticed men give more chances and opportunity than women because women are generally vindictive, especially towards those they consider evil or superior/powerful compared to themselves. This is why men favor providing equity and women favor providing equality. You can see this play out in modern politics. Ideally, there's a balance, but there's often a preference towards either equity or equality.

[@erinh1118]

That was beautiful ☺️

[@nicolamustard7232]

The pill has undoubtedly hurt women, and in many ways has brought about a culture wherein life is more difficult for women rather than less. But it doesn't stop there. The pill, and contraception in general is at the root of the demise of the family. In the U.S., 40% of children are born into single parent homes, the vast majority of those single parents are single mothers. We are watching the boys and young men in our lives become increasingly confused, amotivated and miserable. We are at a point in our society where we are even claiming there is no male and female. This shows a fundamental societal problem with the understanding of sexuality, what makes for a healthy society, and what is best for our children. Children have become commodities in many ways. And with our low birthrate, across most of the western world, we are not replacing ourselves. How has this all happened so rapidly over the last 60/70 years? Contraception has become almost universally used in that time, and the resulting 'contraceptive mentality' is ripping our societal foundations apart. As a society, we need to discuss this! It's a tough discussion, but for the future of our society, for the health of families and of male/female interaction, and for the best for our children, this elephant in the room needs to be addressed. ❤

[@nhung-huynguyen7839]

Why a lot women still be not treat respectful by men, and even by others women. And by this women always stand up and fight for equally between man-woman? Because, the father of Lies wanted to destroy humanity from within oneself, and leading them to denial their Identity, and after all, denied God

[@grannyannie2948]

We live in societies where every abomination to God is legal and glorified.

[@nhung-huynguyen7839]

@@grannyannie2948 From the moment when old Adam, parent of all humans, listened to the father of Lies, rather than the Father of Truth and Life, then their generation are we humans has gone to a fight against themselves to listen and obey to our God Almighty until the end of time. May The Holy Spirit lead us to Christ 🙏 May Jesus Christ, the Truth, the Light of Life lead us to everlasting Life 🙏

[@grannyannie2948]

@@nhung-huynguyen7839 Amen

[@Jennifer-fj4wf]

I’ve never participated

[@ufogandalf9296]

No offence to you husband or daughter I love their talks on every level I'm even on the lion diet but I've never sat through a whole interview in one sitting but Tammy's always are so interesting the guests are awesome 👌👏🙏 Mary was very interesting she really has thought a lot about this I look forward to reading her book

[@GraceHarwood88]

9:51 *floats by waving*

[@umwha]

1:03 - what are these pure male spaces that were never gatkeeping power, or involved misogyny that women should get out of? Like football clubs? Being football fans? Being a football fan is a public thing, nobody should be excluded based on sex. Golf clubs?

[@samanthamccarthy325]

Working men’s clubs?

[@primetimeseal8616]

I find it weird that whenever anyone dares speak negatively about porn, it's always about the victimized adult women. What about the millions upon millions of children (particularly young boys) that porn has been pushed on via the internet for at least the last 15 years? I'm from the first generation that's had instant access to unlimited free porn. The sex workers even go to online places like gaming websites where underage boys congregate so that they can advertise their porn to them. Sorry, i see those sex workers as predators, not victims. If taken seriously, this is the largest child sexual exploitation scandal in history

[@lancewalker2595]

Yeah. Don't try beating that drum with a feminist, they don't care about, and have active contempt for, boys and men... and yes, even boys. I've tried making that argument before and they will actually get offended that SOMEONE ELSE dares to give a damn about boys.

[@nhung-huynguyen7839]

Agree, when one see sex is the way to earning for living then one not a victim at all. They’re becoming a black hole to suck all the goodness of God in people’s soul. But woe to those who pushed people into this kind of work

[@GraceHarwood88]

Young girls too. Desensitized to some really dark sexual concepts from far too young to understand none of what they watch is real or normal. No wonder they don’t see any harm in their marketing strategy to young gamers. There’s always been one main demographic who drives it with their internet traffic. Let’s not disregard that, even if the practices have swung in a different direction. Far too many sons are introduced to hardcore porn from their fathers, during their custody time. There’s a subject that needs exploring.

[@lancewalker2595]

@@GraceHarwood88 That is such bullshit. Plenty of sons don’t even have fathers, and it definitely isn’t common for the ones who do to share porn with their fathers. Gross.

[@primetimeseal8616]

@GraceHarwood88 that's why I said children because it's young girls too. But I said particularly young boys because thats who make up the majority or porn consumption, that's just a fact that a much higher % of men watch porn and an even higher % of porn addicts are men. It forms in our friend groups at an early age, in my case as early as 8 years old. By the time I was 13 every one of my friends were regularly watching porn. It's funny to joke about, but we were being sexually exploited. As for father's introducing their kids to porn that's an insanely small % of perverts. I grew up with a single father who had custody of me, absolutely never did he do that. I did have a female basketball coach when I was in middle school who talked to me and my other guy friends about us watching porn. She told us what cum tasted like. She was 35 we were 12.

[@janeproctor5542]

If the topic of feminism can result in a discussion and critique of culture like this, then Viva Feminism. It is coming into its own.

[@robleahy5759]

Their belated apostasy notwithstanding, both Ms Harrington and Louise Perry would both be called 'drips', if they were men. And rightly.

[@droppedonmyhead3522]

Jesus is the only emancipation there is. He is the only way.

[@skylinefever]

Whenever I hear the "No sex work because some people violate consent" all I see is "Nobody can be allowed to drive. Drunks and speeders exist." I say if you want no maid, make life worth living for everyone. I say get the government out of the death business. Private sector Futurama telephone booths instead. I often point to the nets outside the Foxconn factory. That could have been prevented with decent working conditions and better pay, but no way that will happen. Gotta milk the plebs for all the oligarchs can get.

[@kaybrown7733]

The funniest part of this is that neither of these birds could be online chirping about hating feminism without feminism! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@mariel1120]

Not sure why you didn’t call out your lazy father and brother. You didn’t analyse or explain why you saw an injustice and abusive behaviour and did nothing.

[@nunyabizness3777]

They probably didn't whine and call out the "injustice" and "abusive behavior" of the women sitting around while the men mowed the lawn, took out the trash, fixed the cars, replaced the toilet, washed the dog, built the hen house, changed the light bulbs, installed the smoke detector, dealt with the leaky faucets, shoveled the snow, cleaned the gutters, replaced roofing tile, installed the antenna, killed the spiders, etc.

[@nicolamustard7232]

​@@nunyabizness3777 Thank you, yes! Exactly this. Choosing to serve your family is noble, builds character, provides meaning and deepens relationships. There is nothing abusive about it.

[@nicolamustard7232]

​@@nunyabizness3777 Yes, I sometimes think of what happened on the Titanic. "Women and children first!" And most of the men knowing there weren't enough boats to save them. What an extraordinary testament to male nobility! It wouldn't happen today, not necessarily because men are less noble, but because women would be 'offended' by it. God help us! 💔

[@grannyannie2948]

​@@nunyabizness3777Well said.

[@grannyannie2948]

I remember Christmas day at my grandparents. After dinner the men would all head for the living room, whilst the women and girls washed millions of dishes (well it seemed that way) I never resented this, as the men did hard physical work. But when my younger brother copied them I saw red. The solution was buying my grandmother tons of disposable plates and cutlery every year.

[@andreadee6327]

Guest speaks very quickly such is difficult for me to keep up. I did not keep up with all the talking. Switching topics; I also noticed her breathing through her nose and it was very distracting. Her message is lost in her rhythm of speaking.

[@GraceHarwood88]

Slow the video speed down or add subtitles. She speaks like a strict school mam. Her rhythmic tone forces me to pay attention 😂

[@JohannaW85]

I didn't notice her nose breathing until I read your comment, and now I can't not hear it! It's bothering me 😅🙈

[@JohannaW85]

I didn't notice her nose breathing until I read your comment, and now I can't not hear it! It's bothering me 😅🙈

[@_joshwalter_]

Interesting. I'm watching this at 1.5x speed since it takes her so long to unfold the argument.

[@lungisangapi6009]

English is my 3rd language and I didn't have this problem. And I think that's because I WANT to hear what she has to say...

[@AutisticVaxtard]

I am not vaccinated