I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that Tim is gonna need another fancy bullet making machine very soon. That bullet is impressive, to say the least.
@erkishhorde Жыл бұрын
The link on his site is sold out!
@cmoney220 Жыл бұрын
What will probably happen is some ammo manufacturers will be getting in touch with him...if they haven't already.
@BB-1990 Жыл бұрын
It does not meet the minimum penetration requirements. Just like the RIP rounds. Overpriced gimmicky crap is what it is.
@brent8783 Жыл бұрын
Very impressive and agree that this may pay for another CNC lathe or three. Aside from the stunning performance, I just checked and no one has them in stock at the moment, since the price was also reasonable. $1.90 per round ($38 per 20) for fully copper, CNC-machined 9mm slugs.
@ZacharyH20 Жыл бұрын
Assuming the machine can really crank out 1 bullet every 40 seconds for 24 hours nonstop, the one machine can make 2160 projectiles per day! 🙂
@tacticalmattfoley Жыл бұрын
The construction of this bullet is amazing. I cannot believe how consistently it expands while staying in one piece. I fully expected the petals to tear off in almost every medium. Well done Ballistic Machinist!!!
@BallisticMachinist Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@HyksosKhamudi Жыл бұрын
@@BallisticMachinist bravo 👍
@Len_M. Жыл бұрын
@@BallisticMachinist You getting some balls behind the production of this? Get some distribution, If not shop the idea to Underwood so we can get a case of these. I need these in my Life.
@autr3553 Жыл бұрын
@@BallisticMachinist Congratulations! Not many people who try to make a decent round are successful! This is outstanding
@Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28 Жыл бұрын
@@BallisticMachinist how do we purchase these?
@gvii Жыл бұрын
I can't even begin to imagine the amount of work he put into getting those right. As spindly as those petals look, it's amazing they are able to fold out at a nearly 90 degree angle and not break off. That alone is pretty darn impressive, but doing it consistently? Kind of mind blowing. I hope he sells the hell out of them. If he does end up making them in .45, I know I'll be buying a few boxes.
@tgs9740 Жыл бұрын
Please do I'm really interested in how the 45 works out.
@Gangster88232 Жыл бұрын
Yeh, that world needs. More killing shit. Disgusting. Destroy your guns, you dont need them.
@carsonhunt4642 Жыл бұрын
Are they technically +p at that fps? Seems like decent recoil. Definitely want to pick a box up for my concealed carry. It’s weird because research shows the 124g jhp is actually best for 9mm, but this round says otherwise!
@nickhowatson4745 Жыл бұрын
@@carsonhunt4642 they look more like +p+
@koiyujo1543 Жыл бұрын
Same here
@courtneyglenn1123 Жыл бұрын
The flashlights were a cool idea to have better visibility of the gel. Here's an idea for you - use LED light strips under the gel so you don't lose your lighting
@tomhandel9176 Жыл бұрын
That round needs to be pattened right away before someone steals the idea. Absolutely tremendous performance consistently, releases energy without overpenetrating.
@nukiesduke6868 Жыл бұрын
I mean awesome expansion and decent penetration is one thing, accuracy is a whole other thing.
@exgenica Жыл бұрын
@Will Swift In the USA a person has up to 1 year to submit a patent after public disclosure. However, the same is not true for non-US patents. You are correct that he (assuming he has not already filed internationally) has lost any patent protection in most other countries.
@costamarques3900 Жыл бұрын
The idea is not new. Have seen it couple decade ago at a gun channel that was shut down under Obama.
@pablot-r9402 Жыл бұрын
Good for when you really gotta worry about your backstop situation, that hopefully it doesn't go through the intended target and into an unintended target, to be able to put rounds into the target with solid stopping power and "less lethal" penetration if the round passes through.
@sankaplays3098 Жыл бұрын
@@exgenica Most other countries don't consume ammo like the US does, in fact, Im pretty sure you guys are the only ones that have a need for this ammo all over the world.
@taofledermaus Жыл бұрын
Just a clarification. FBI gel standards are 12" to 18". While it falls short for a "normal" bullet, it's still like getting hit by a broadhead. I guess the question I have, if only goes half the depth of a human torso, isn't that wear the vitals are? It's worthy of debate.
@hanelyp1 Жыл бұрын
I doubt the 12" minimum accounts for how much this round expands, and the width of the wound cavity so produced.
@secretbassrigs Жыл бұрын
thanks for covering Tim's story. he really has achieved the new American dream.
@lonewanderer3603 Жыл бұрын
Doesn't matter how much it expands in fat and muscle. It needs to get deep into the organs to be effective.
@umpatas5468 Жыл бұрын
@@lonewanderer3603 I tell you what if you get hit in any place with that round your blood pressure will plummet.
@umpatas5468 Жыл бұрын
@@hanelyp1 that's my thought as well. With those wings acting like a broadhead there's no reason to go deeper.
@GianmarioScotti Жыл бұрын
I hope Ballistic Machinist patented this design, because it's a quantum leap better than anything made so far. I am very impressed by the extreme expansion and consistency. Unbelievable.
@geesixnine Жыл бұрын
I seriously second this and concur.
@UncleJDCarp Жыл бұрын
It was already patented by Lehigh Defense and has been around for 10 years. I have carried these rounds for years.
@phillhuddleston9445 Жыл бұрын
I don't think the design itself is unique enough to patent but it is a great design that works as good as you could hope for. It is different that other similar designed bullets but close enough to be difficult to patent.
@vicroc4 Жыл бұрын
@@UncleJDCarp Main difference is, this actually does what Lehigh only claims theirs do.
@arnauservaux3936 Жыл бұрын
This already existed and didn't work.
@thomasdow701 Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see how the teeth on these rounds not only hold up against, but also damage bone in more advanced ballistic dummies! Love the content
@liberty9348 Жыл бұрын
You can do what I did and buy some and test them. They're about $2 a round. You can buy just the projectile for $1 a round and load them yourself as well. To answer your question: The "pedals" actually have to tear apart from each other at the base. This spot is fairly thin and machined that way to allow this action. Once it tears and hits about the 90' point, it is very difficult (takes a lot of force) to bend them PAST the 90' point. The projectile is solid copper. What "seems" to happen when hitting "bone" in the advanced ballistic dummy is that it tumbles when one or more of the open pedals contacts "bone". I've had a couple where just the tip of the pedal/s will slightly bend when this happens. I carry them daily in both my Berretta 92A1 and Smith & Wesson MP 9 2.0 CORE ported. I spent a long time in the US Military. From my experience and knowledge, these projectiles are VERY effective. They produce a much larger wound channel and have not exited any target I have tested them against. I used to carry Hornady critical duty and defense rounds, as they were the "best" I've tested before these. Hope the info helps.
@vincedibona4687 Жыл бұрын
*petals
@liberty934811 ай бұрын
@@vincedibona4687 You got me. -2 spelling =]. Thanks
@tjfm598 ай бұрын
watch some of the videos on his channel today. tim & some of the other test people did a gel, meat, 7 other material test. the meat was a pork shoulder with 2 shots. 1 meat alone the other meat & bone. busted through the bone an deflecting off the bone by about 90'. in .380 acp.
@Eric-gi9kg Жыл бұрын
I've been watching your channel for quite awhile... I have never seen a more consistent performance of a projectile. Just amazing. The brief history and investment he has made, and to produce a projectile that EXCEEDS over all others. WOW.. VERY IMPRESSED
@shmoop357 Жыл бұрын
when i started learning about bullets and hollowpoints, i hoped that someday we would have a hollowpoint that could expand to a full + shape without bending back, and it’s here!
@GianmarioScotti Жыл бұрын
I agree - with this design, the future has finally arrived.
@ASBO_LUTELY Жыл бұрын
Shap becomes shape with me, Magic Magic E!
@InGratitudeIam Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, 8" of penetration in bare synthetic gel translates to 5.16" of penetration in 10% organic gel used in the FBI tests. Minimum penetration requirement is 12"
@Interdiction Жыл бұрын
@@InGratitudeIam This round will penetrate human flesh and dump all of its energy into your criminal without the worry of a round going through .Win win
@camouflagepeacock6414 Жыл бұрын
Actually, not folding back slightly diminishes the penetration. 8" to 9" may not be enough penetration if going through an arm, hence the 12" to18" directive of the FBI.
@modergav Жыл бұрын
The Ballistic Machinist just made one of the best 9mm rounds I've ever seen. Dude is a legend.
@MrMikesMondoVideo Жыл бұрын
What is your benchmark for "one of the best"? As a self-defense round, it's a poor performer, not even achieving minimum FBI penetration.
@Tyler-ts2ld Жыл бұрын
its a copy of the Lehigh Defense MET rounds, with his own twist thrown at it, which is nothing more than the grooves down the side being widened.
@hatfield1964 Жыл бұрын
Without real world testing I'd say your wrong. Besides light weight rounds out of handguns are notoriously bad man stoppers. Impressive water spray or clay expansion is a moot point. I've seen 38 special hollow base wadcutters reloaded backwards make astounding clay impressions. Doesn't make it a good defense round.
@modergav Жыл бұрын
You guys took this comment way more serious than I ahahaha
@MrMikesMondoVideo Жыл бұрын
@@hatfield1964 Correct, lightweight rounds are typically bad because they don't have the momentum necessary for adequate penetration; however, additional testing really isn't necessary as these won't even reach minimum FBI standard penetration depth of 12 in in ballistic gelatin.
@p_campbell Жыл бұрын
I showed this to a friend who has been shot by a 9mm in the arm and one in the back , he said "that would have removed my arm and I'd be dead", very insane rds
@ttss5726 Жыл бұрын
you friend doesnt know what he is talking about. 20 years of dealing with gun shot victims that WOULDNT have removed his arm. your friend is stretching reality farther then if goes in the real world
@mechadonia Жыл бұрын
@@ttss5726 hyperbole my friend
@Broxyc Жыл бұрын
@@ttss5726 Wouldnt it damage nerves beyond repair and cause massive internal bleeding? So he probably would be dead, just not get the arm sperated
@vbnbnbxmnxfm Жыл бұрын
The reason chrono works better upside-down on that table is that the contrast of the round passing over the sensors is obvious, which is why you also use the white strips. The problem is not the chrono it's the sunlight. The light, when the device is upright is too much so it can't see the projectile. You could build a total cover for the device which would prevent errors and allow you to keep it upright.
@snowdogthewolf Жыл бұрын
That was my concern as well. Perhaps they can validate these velocities with a future video where they compare the data from a sideways-oriented chronograph to one properly positioned. If there are serious discrepancies between the test and control groups of that future video, then none of the velocity results rendered from this test are valid. As always, a fun and informative video.
@kennethboston8301 Жыл бұрын
I made a lightweight frame using quarter inch PVC pipe. T put a black tablecloth over the top and sides of the frame. I set my chrono inside and it works perfect.
@gotindrachenhart Жыл бұрын
I have an older, similar (folding), model and it has a hard time on overcast days due to the low light. I also have issues whenever the lenses on the sensors get dirty.
@phillipbotha7920 Жыл бұрын
It's cheaper and more original just to turn it upside down
@jaydunbar7538 Жыл бұрын
@@snowdogthewolf it’s measuring the time between shadows, tipping it upside down changes nothing
@Horus2Osiris Жыл бұрын
Meat-bloom flower... Wicked! Thoroughly impressive testing you two! Thank you for the demonstration rounds, Tim!
@salty__kansan Жыл бұрын
Those bullets looked freaking awesome in that clear gel. So much devastation from the interceptor.
@jasminedraconis4630 Жыл бұрын
okay so the gummy bear test impressed the heck out of me. it not only penmetrated and bloomed in bear one but still had enough speed and structural integrity to cross the airgap fully bloomed, then went through bear two fully bloomed, crossed the air gap and deep enough into bear three STILL bloomed to cause a potentially fatal wound. those petals are impressive! I want some lol
@yips_way Жыл бұрын
I'm in the UK so we're barely exposed to guns, if at all, in our entire lifetime, but even I was extremely impressed with those & the explanations from officer Gregg helped me understand why he liked them so much too. Good luck to the guy who made them, hope he gets back his investment, I think he will jjudging by the results shown here. Great video guys 👍
@tomnixon7892 Жыл бұрын
Depends were u grow up I'm from Kent and have been around deer caliber rifles right up to shooting.50 stuff at Mendip shooting ground and there are flipping tons of ranges if your interested in the hobby go seek a local club most are clay pigeon shooting grounds but hit me up il send u some links for proper clubs I like bisley probly the widest variety of guns and disciplines there happy shooting fellow Brit 😀🧐
@Steve-bx2yx Жыл бұрын
You need a revolution in the UK.
@sextempiric7137 Жыл бұрын
I'd rather say: Bad luck, wishing he never make a single dollar wit it. Disgusting!!!
@MSL209 Жыл бұрын
I know a lot of us US folks talk shit on you UK folks regarding your gun laws. With that said, I feel for you guys.
@BullsMahunny Жыл бұрын
@@sextempiric7137 I don't think anyone asked you, hoplophobe. As Sigmund Freud said, those who are afraid of weapons (you. DEFINITELY you) have stunted growth and other ..... mental issues.
@chrisislas1838 Жыл бұрын
Unbelievably amazing. Would love to see something like this for a 45. Good job on the demonstration. Decimated the block clay as if it were from a shotgun. Just straight up bad ass of a round, wow!
@taofledermaus Жыл бұрын
thanks Chris
@TheRealZJE313 Жыл бұрын
Yes for the KING 45 I just hope its not a light projectile
@ASBO_LUTELY Жыл бұрын
Lik becomes like with me, Magic Magic E!
@marionava661 Жыл бұрын
So bad they are not Legal in italy. My Springfield 1911 and Glock 21 would love them ;)
@UncleJDCarp Жыл бұрын
I have loaded this same bullet in my .45, .40, 9m, 100 for years. This guy is making his own version of the Lehigh Defense Maximum Expansion bullet - which has been out for 10 years.
@llewellynquay9463 Жыл бұрын
FYI, Some folks may not know that "Swiss" refers to a design, not a country of origin. Tsugami is a Japanese manufacturer, with some units built in a plant in China. It *is* a "Swiss Lathe", which unlike conventional lathes, "Swiss" turning centers have a moving headstock, i.e., they move the work in the z-axis as well as cutting in x and y axis'.
@demef7586 ай бұрын
"An Oakland-style chronograph." LOL! That kind of humor alone is enough to get people to watch.
@nickdark7073 Жыл бұрын
Glad to see Tim is expanding his shop to make even more interesting and amazing projectiles
@JohnLloydScharf Жыл бұрын
Grizzly Ammo made a .45 ACP version of this, but stopped producing them. I keep them in my HiPoint .45s for home defense, even though they are years old.
@Rottidog68 Жыл бұрын
Yes, his working is getting very 'expansive'. 🙃😎
@BallisticMachinist Жыл бұрын
We are working hard at it
@Rottidog68 Жыл бұрын
@@BallisticMachinist It's expanding greatly & keeping it all together, that's the trick. Is that a projectile machinists' dream or a business plan? 🤔
@richdunn9726 Жыл бұрын
Impressive to be sure! Having said that, nothing was said about feed reliability. A great round becomes not so great if it doesn’t feed consistently without jamming. It would be great to see some rapid fire rounds through multiple magazines in different popular semi-auto models/brands.
@MrLanternland Жыл бұрын
Exactly what i was thinking.
@danramirez4290 Жыл бұрын
Good point!
@jamesroberts7262 Жыл бұрын
this..
@johnathanfarquhar1981 Жыл бұрын
They don't have time or that many of the different types of firearms. As Jerry Miculek has said in his videos, you have to practice with what you want to carry, for reliabilty and cycling. It is okey to practice with ball ammo, but if you are going to carry a specific ammo you need to run it. Not all ammo will work in every gun. My glock can run pretty much anything, but critical defence. I think it is caused by the harsh angle of the slug.
@brandonmckittrick2822 Жыл бұрын
Good point! I would buy a box and test out the feed reliability in your personal carry pistol. If it works well purchase another box. I conceal carry a glock 43x, glocks will Definity shoot any kind of ammo brand. Im sure it will feed just fine in a glock.
@John-ir2zf Жыл бұрын
The ballistic machinists business just got a huge influx of customers because of this amazing round !!!
@TopShotDustin Жыл бұрын
16:00 reminded me of the Indiana Jones tank scene with the Luger 😂
@CallMeJayBoi Жыл бұрын
Jeff, turning hobbyists into ammunition producers. Props. Indirect bad guy stoppage. Danny would be proud.
@RaysTwoPence Жыл бұрын
Geoff 2000iq move lol 😆
@thomasdow701 Жыл бұрын
Well, bad guys use bullets too.. but that's definitely the hope
@bobjordan8283 Жыл бұрын
All I can say is WOW!! I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of that round!! Thanks for everything you do I know it takes a lot of time and I always appreciate the efforts you go to!!
@TheGmanway Жыл бұрын
Or any round😂
@justineells9857 Жыл бұрын
The difference between the 5" barrel and the 16" barrel wasn't as much as I expected. Makes me think they might perform well from shorter barrels too. Tim should send some to Paul Harrell too. I'd love to see what these do to the meat target.
@jodylivengood4061 Жыл бұрын
So this is what I think might be going on with that. The powder is being burned off at around the 8-10" mark. The rest of the barrel is then slowing the bullet down. I have a Beretta M9A1 with a threaded barrel just over 5". With the Corbon 125gr +p I'm getting about what's on the box. 1250fps. In my HK Sp5 with a 9" barrel I'm getting 1425fps. What you get from a 125gr .357mag from a 4" Barrel. To be honest I bought the HK because I thought it was cool and would be fun to have around. I live in a rural area so a AR15 for home protection isn't a bad choice. But after that I leave the HK loaded as well. My friend also as a AR 9MM of some sort but it is a rifle with a 14.5 pin and welded barrel. He's getting about 1325 with that same Corbon load. Anyway that's what I think is going on. ⁸
@justineells9857 Жыл бұрын
Makes sense. They could be pairing a faster burning powder for such a lightweight bullet. That would still be useful in a short barrel, as long as there's still enough recoil to reliably cycle the action.
@charliedee9276 Жыл бұрын
The vid says the barrel was 19" not 16". I bring it up because I have an AR 9mm with a 16" barrel and the velocity is quite higher than out of my Beretta 92FS. I do believe once a barrel reaches a certain length velocity does drop off. I saw somewhere with a 9mm that length is around 12-14 inches. I would put a slightly shorter barrel however that puts me in the SBR category.
@KyussTheWalkingWorm Жыл бұрын
In rifle length barrels you tend to get a lot of mileage from running hotter ammo, because otherwise pressure drops too much and barrel friction actually makes you lose velocity past a certain point. You can go even higher if you use loads with slower powder, just be aware it'll lose performance in pistols.
@alphazuluz Жыл бұрын
Yeah this is clearly a case of a loader knowing what he’s doing. He’s using an appropriately fast burning powder to get max velocity out of short pistol barrels. When you use long but light solid copper bullets, usually you get best results with faster burning powders. So, if you graphed velocity per inch of barrel, what I would expect to see is that velocity increases as the barrel increases until around 8-12” or so, then the powder is spent, and friction between the bullet and barrel starts to win. I bet velocity increases until that 8-12” mark then slows from there.
@nancycook37339 ай бұрын
I tried the exact same thing 30+ yrs ago and doing it all by hand, a small file and hand chisel and a work bench it was not easy and no where near as perfect as what this gent has produced, but was trying for same effect, then I was asked to do a spiral or end result a claw type effect but again without the micrometer and special tools it did not go as planned, so kudoos to the gent who did accomplish this very very very daunting and hard to balance task ! Great job a d thanks for sharing
@jeremyshackelford8080 Жыл бұрын
Tim's designs impress the heck out of me. His and Evan Perry's designs are pretty amazing
@twicebaked7420 Жыл бұрын
Man, that clay test was damned impressive for a 90 grain round.
@Hydrazine1000 Жыл бұрын
@@virgilhilts3924 Very true, but the fact is that a soft clay block can still be used as an indicator of how good a projectile dumps its energy into its target. This particular round is able to generate so much "traction", if you can think of it in that borrowed term, that it creates a damn flower pot. Other rounds of similar weight often don't push away the clay as effectively and only get to "gutter pipe" size.
@Hydrazine1000 Жыл бұрын
@@virgilhilts3924 Hey, a body isn't made from ballistics gel either, clear or not. The fact that the target is not _actually_ the same as a body doesn't mean it can't yield meaningful results _when comparing rounds._ What one cannot do is to take the expansion in ballistics gel, or the expansion in clay, and assume that it will expand exactly the same in a body. But clay (or BG) *will* show which round is better at dumping energy, in comparison to each other round in the same type of clay.
@Hydrazine1000 Жыл бұрын
@@virgilhilts3924 Shees, you want me to be more precise, and call it transfer of kinetic energy? I'll bow out. Be happy, you "win" this round Mr. Expert. (This channel isn't about being a good hunter, which as you correctly point out calls for good aim in the first place, but this channel is about how _bullets_ behave. It's not about how to properly aim, or where to aim.)
@jonny555ive Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@jonny555ive Жыл бұрын
@@virgilhilts3924 What are you trying to prove there bud ? Or are you just getting off trolling this dude ?
@Ba11leFieldAce Жыл бұрын
That's probably the most devastating 9mm I've ever seen. Wound track looked more like a cluster of buckshot than a 9mm.
@the_royticus2429 Жыл бұрын
Check out the Norma MHP
@TruthIsTheNewHate84 Жыл бұрын
@ASBO LUTELY Why are you replying to every comment with the same exact thing?
@inkyfingers317 Жыл бұрын
@@TruthIsTheNewHate84 a bot im betting, i just keep reporting them
@TheBeefSlayer Жыл бұрын
23:40 “Tim I’m impressed . We got some pretty good shit here” 😂😂😂😂 for some reason my brain went to AL from Home Improvement doing blow. 😂😂😂
@kingginger3335 Жыл бұрын
This round is unbelievable! Ballistic Machinist should be very proud of his work! People should buy as much of this ammo as possible! He should be rich for this design!
@newt2010 Жыл бұрын
Amazing ammo. I hope he does well and sells tons of them. The consistency in the chrono and the pedals is mind blowing.
@masterenos Жыл бұрын
Ammo like this doesn't sell like you think it does, there are consequences for using ammo like this in self defense.
@MeanestManAlive Жыл бұрын
@@masterenos pwnage
@HamBown Жыл бұрын
Seeing sonoluminescence from the collapse of the cavitation bubbles in the high speed shots of the water jug is pretty awesome! I saw three flashes, with the largest being at 19:21
@MODElAIRPLANE100 Жыл бұрын
Great catch!
@teresashinkansen9402 Жыл бұрын
Sorry to ruin the mood but those are not sonoluminescence flashes, its actually the flashlight behind the jug used to illuminate it flickering. You can see how it turns off when the bullet hits the jug then it seems to want to turn on again.
@Assdafflabaff Жыл бұрын
@@teresashinkansen9402 Let mr. fancy words be smart.
@HamBown Жыл бұрын
@@teresashinkansen9402 I disagree, the flashes are too intense and short-lived to be flashlight reflections. They are also not the same colour temperature as the supposed source light.
@teresashinkansen9402 Жыл бұрын
@@HamBown The flashlight is plenty powerful, you can see on top of the jug how bright it is, the reflection looks almost like sunshine. For sonoluminescence flashes to occur a sealed collapsing cavity must form, yet you can see there is not even a cavity formed, its not sealed at all and its still expanding, its water splattering around. Ive only seen such flashes happen on ballistics gel because it keeps the cavity shape, also its not proper sonoluminescence but a dieseling effect.
@RAIDENFAN2469 Жыл бұрын
Just came across this channel, you guys are amazing and have been going strong for years. I can't own a gun over here in England but learning all these facts and your relaxing narration has helped me fall asleep comfortably and stopped me panicking before. Keep up the good work, please!
@taofledermaus Жыл бұрын
thank you kindly!!
@johnafleenor298611 ай бұрын
@@taofledermaus I would definitely try this round if I could find where to purchase them. I typically use the 147gr HST 9mm hollow points, but would love to compare these 2 types of rounds side by side.
@LittleBozo Жыл бұрын
This was my favorite bullet I've seen you guys test. The clay just blew me away! You gotta incorporate clay blocks into your normal routine plz
@taofledermaus Жыл бұрын
thanks!
@bryanst.martin7134 Жыл бұрын
@@taofledermaus What was surprising is that you shot the same hole in the silly putty and it still expanded.
@Kualinar Жыл бұрын
That 9mm bullet does more damage to that clay than some 12 gauge slugs. That's VERY impressive.
@BlackwaterFather Жыл бұрын
I'd like to see how it does out of a 3" barrel like most folks, especially in warmer t-shirt weather, tend to carry. I have a feeling the 124grain Federal HST round would still be on top. But again, I'd like to see shorter barrel testing to know for sure! Thanks for a great video for what seems to be a great round so far.
@rokkinjohann Жыл бұрын
You bring to mind this question, "What is the expansion threshold for these bullets?" And its upper limit where petals shed off would be good to know also regarding use in .357 Sig or .38 Super.
@scott1brayden2 Жыл бұрын
Really be good to see the accuracy at further distance
@777anarchist Жыл бұрын
I was expecting you to test it against soft body armour. I thought with the extra velocity it might have had a chance. Props on Tim making some weird but solid stuff. Great video as per usual!
@colbunkmust Жыл бұрын
The extra surface area as it expands would make the marginal extra velocity negated. .357 mag is higher velocity and has a heavier projectile but IIIA is rated to stop that. AP ammo is designed not to expand at all. It still would be interesting to see what would happen though.
@777anarchist Жыл бұрын
@@colbunkmust Yes, but I don't expect it to expand in kevlar.
@wizzlefits Жыл бұрын
That was impressive! Perfect self defense ammo AND you can carry a LOT more. That's a win win lose!!!
@upinarms79 Жыл бұрын
Jeff, one of the things I've seen done to illuminate and help measure rounds in gel is using a laser pointer. Of course that won't do anything for the overall lighting while you're filming, but it does illuminate the rounds better in the gel, especially when you have multiple rounds close together, and it helps give you a measuring point from outside the gel without having to move the block around or cut it open.
@patrickaherne3598 Жыл бұрын
FBI BRF standard is 12-18" in calibrated 10% ordnance gelatin. Clear Ballistics is fun stuff, but typically overstates penetration compared to 10% calibrated gelatin.
@drb5538 Жыл бұрын
Another great video as always with a good balance of information and humour. Also, another quality round from Tim. It's good to see him expanding.
@taofledermaus Жыл бұрын
thanks
@markfergerson2145 Жыл бұрын
Okay, that was a "just wow" product. They deserve to become the new gold standard in "stopping power" cartridges and a huge licensing contract from Winchester or somebody.
@justsomeperson5110 Жыл бұрын
Excellence in engineering! Count me impressed. Not only does it do what it says, but it exceeds! Something worth buying. I see great things in his future. He's going to need a bigger shop for all of those extra machines to keep up with the orders.
@thetoneknob4493 Жыл бұрын
i don't say this often at all but im impressed at how well these work! most exotic ammo looks cooler than it is wen function is called into question. but this ammo seems to do exactly what they are supposed to do. ide love to se a 45 auto+p or a 357mag in the future.this design seems to use its energy alot more successfully than standard hollow points.it seems for once its worth what they cost.
@ScottKenny1978 Жыл бұрын
If you roll your own ammunition, you can buy these bullets and stuff them into a .357 case.
@Smallathe Жыл бұрын
Very very cool story. Well done Tim!!! Contgratulations on the new business and best of luck with your new entrapaneuraship! Jeff and Gregg - very very cool shots. Wonderful use of flashlights with the gel block. A really wonderful video!!! :)
@taofledermaus Жыл бұрын
thank you again Saar!
@jamesstewart9970 Жыл бұрын
Good on Tim! Glad to see people still pursuing their passion and it paying off in a big way.
@Whitesp44 Жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to see the performance from the "short barreled" pistols. Everyone seems to love 'em. Seems like it would be fantastic as this video clearly shows. I'm sold. Love the scientific testing process as well. Men age, they don't grow up. Like two kids playing with firecrackers and toys. Awesome.
@sixtofive Жыл бұрын
Looks like results I've seen from the Lehigh Defense Maximum Expansion bullets. Very similar design, and the Lehigh in a 220 grain 45 caliber loaded for 45 Colt is just wicked!
@darrickcato9499 Жыл бұрын
It looks exactly like the Lehigh
@scottmoore2014 Жыл бұрын
He lost me when he said liberty defense are junk. Those Lehigh defense long colts were badass
@Power5 Жыл бұрын
Same design, faster lighter version though. 9mm lehigh is quite a few bucks cheaper than this one. Has TD tested the lehigh?
@lukearts2954 Жыл бұрын
21:58 that went through the exact same hole! Sure, the distance wasn't 50 yards, but it still shows both accuracy of the projectile and marksmanship of the shooter! Very nice!
@HockeyPop29 Жыл бұрын
Wow! You sold me! I purchased a 20 round box. That gives me a full mag for my 9mm relegated to home defense, with 2 rounds for my own watermelon and water filled pumpkin test! Great review!
@taofledermaus Жыл бұрын
I've loaded a mag for that Chiappa - it is actually reliable using these for home defense.
@HockeyPop29 Жыл бұрын
My wife hopes down the line he comes out with a round for her .327 federal magnum - may be waiting awhile! I bought a Canik TP9SA years back to teach her to shoot. It's our nail-driving home defense weapon, she's scary good with that one, better than me. Keep the videos coming! Watching your channel helps keep me out of the doghouse from shooting up various household items myself!
@azlaw2001 Жыл бұрын
This is an awesome round!! I know he just gained me as a customer. Very impressive. Thank you for all of your awesome content.
@afreightdogslife Жыл бұрын
I just stumbled into your channel, I am a 9mm shooter I liked what I saw. Your way to test a bullet is as unconventional as most of us are, so I subscribed.
@taofledermaus Жыл бұрын
Haha, yeah we try to keep it fun but also try different types of targets
@tlcollins2479 Жыл бұрын
I subscribed as well and am a 9mm shooter.
@brown2889 Жыл бұрын
I tend to think they are having fun. Plus they are scientist so… there’s that.
@AviationJeremy Жыл бұрын
I’d like to see more testing before I trust the interceptor with my life. That said, Tim has a lot of experience now with experimental projectiles, and clearly felt confident that this was good enough for (somewhat) mass production, and what I see here is very promising, so I have high hopes!
@AviationJeremy Жыл бұрын
After the tests so far, I think that this definitely deserves mass production!
@-JohnSmith- Жыл бұрын
FBI penetration standard is 12" to 18" in ballistic gel this is to account for a hit to an arm outstretched like someone shooting at you or a sideways or odd angle to be able to still reach vitals. Hornady critical duty 135 gr +p is consistently 14" to 16" through various clothing. The hard lead is Also great for hard barriers like car doors or windshields.
@brianhoffman5414 Жыл бұрын
I was impressed for sure, this seems to be an excellent choice for home and personal defense. I will be picking up a few boxes to check them out. Tx guys
@MoldyStir-Fry Жыл бұрын
I would absolutely trust my protection to this ammo. Awesome design Tim, great testing Jeff and Gregg!
@SCAR16s Жыл бұрын
Not his design. He copied Lehigh Defese rounds that have been on market for years and years.
@skiptrace4034 Жыл бұрын
Switching up the release times to keep us on our feet. Love it
@bubbajenkins123 Жыл бұрын
Glad to see that you brought back the MOIST magazines test. It has always been one of my favorites
@brown2889 Жыл бұрын
Removing that in an ICU would be a nightmare.
@aintit Жыл бұрын
Absolutely insanely impressive ammo. I hope the word gets around and that he patents these things because they are 100% a first of their kind sort of deal and could be incredibly profitable for him. I remember when he first started sending in designs to be tested by you guys and it's crazy seeing how far he's come.
@Isaac_5.56x45 Жыл бұрын
I believe these would be fantastic for an air marshall or someone living in a densely populated apartment building, especially in a PCC or sub gun. As for me with no crowds of people around, I'll keep my 147 grain 9mm JHP's.
@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 Жыл бұрын
What's the advantage of a heavy round like 147?
@Isaac_5.56x45 Жыл бұрын
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 More penetration while also having the benefit of an expanding projectile for a larger wound cavity. I live in a cold climate where people wear an absurd amount of heavy clothing and are overweight. And I also want that extra bullet weight because I do have some medium sized animal threats in my area as well and want to ensure a deep enough shot.
@ScottKenny1978 Жыл бұрын
Eh, I keep frangibles in my "home" mag for the 9mm, they're some of the Extreme Shock(tm) Air Freedom rounds. Kinda shallow penetration on gel, but they don't go through two sheets of drywall. Unfortunately, the company is either out of business or no longer making pistol caliber ammo. Outdoors magazines are HSTs.
@kumoblade Жыл бұрын
Wow. I'm incredibly impressed with these rounds. Fantastic job by The Ballistic Machinist. I hope this man makes a fortune off of these.
@frijoli9579 Жыл бұрын
Why?
@Srax499 Жыл бұрын
@@frijoli9579 because that's what he deserves.
@YouLookinAtMe-Bro Жыл бұрын
@@frijoli9579 Because it's nice to have something better for self defense if you need it.
@SCAR16s Жыл бұрын
Someone is all ready making a fortune with these rounds, they are called Lehigh Defense where Ballistic Machinst copied their design.
@My.name.goes.here. Жыл бұрын
@@SCAR16s Lehigh defense rounds are shaped like a Philips head screw driver and don’t look anything like these at all. I don’t really know how you can even compare them.
@tomsikes9064 Жыл бұрын
Amazing! Well done Tim! Thanks TFM team, a great psa and video!
@taofledermaus Жыл бұрын
thank you Tom!!
@gotindrachenhart Жыл бұрын
Pretty impressive. Please be sure to test the different calibers too guys. I'm really interested in this round when it goes to .45ACP. Also wonder if he'll put it in 12ga :)
@BallisticMachinist Жыл бұрын
We will make sure to send out the new calibers to Jeff. The 12ga expanding has always been on the board the design just hasn't worked yet. Still working on it
@ScottKenny1978 Жыл бұрын
@@BallisticMachinist looking forward to seeing them! Those 12ga Gatekeeper slugs are hard to find. A second source for massive controlled expansion would be nice.
@diapysik Жыл бұрын
@@BallisticMachinist Very interested in this round mate, great stuff.
@gotindrachenhart Жыл бұрын
@@BallisticMachinist AWESOME! Thanks for all the hard work man. Might have to pick up some of these for me and the Mrs.
@dalesimmons9687 Жыл бұрын
Maybe try setting the gel on plexiglass and lighting from below? I'd suggest getting LED work lights or photography/video lights so it's less likely (still check the heat specs!) to heat the gel up and change it's properties.
@stoopingfalcon891 Жыл бұрын
Apart from the intial penetration damage, the hydrostatic shock from the petals opening like that must be horrific.
@Aaron-ts4fr Жыл бұрын
Another great episode! The flashlights looked good too. I feel like the wound channel was more visible with them.
@chevyinlinesix Жыл бұрын
Both the round and his purchase of a Swiss lathe to make the bullets is very impressive!
@alexkarlozi2174 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see the 10mm performance. Double tap makes a 135gr JHP 10mm round that flies 1600 ft/s. I wonder if Tim’s 10mm interceptor round is similar to that
@tylermallory2504 Жыл бұрын
They make great ammo, I really wish they would start loading the 285g A-max .338 lapua again. It was an absolute power house, Punched 3 holes in my 3/8 ar500 steel plate at 300 yards
@jpkalishek4586 Жыл бұрын
His site says plans are for a 10mm in 140gr
@Nope145 Жыл бұрын
That is absolutely amazing. I will definitely be purchasing some of this ammo as soon as it becomes available.
@johnmassa6303 Жыл бұрын
Very impressive. This would be a better home defense round then most out there. Went through the bears real nice. Wonder what it would do in a short barrel like a 2.5 inch barrel.
@rileychu4489 Жыл бұрын
this is like using AP rounds for home defense. who breaking into your home, a pack of raptors? lmao
@jlebrech Жыл бұрын
@@rileychu4489 one shot one kill/incapacitation that fella aint moving till the ambulance arrives.
@linx.b5246 Жыл бұрын
Seriously efficient stopping power with permanent wound channel. Effective round, hopefully orders will pay for his machine tooling. Seriously talented guy, wishing him the best of luck. Hopefully people will be happy with your back stop. You guys have experience and know carry distance, armchair critics gotta love them.
@MrMikesMondoVideo Жыл бұрын
It's interesting and creative, but by modern accepted standards, it is not an effective round for self-defense. I don't know why they stated 8" is the minimum for the FBI standard, but it's not. In fact, it's not even close.
@Billfish57 Жыл бұрын
I always love your videos, it reminds me of all the testing I did 5 decades ago when I was learning how to shoot and blow stuff up.
@taofledermaus Жыл бұрын
thanks Bill
@t3dwards13 Жыл бұрын
Less words = lower density... & that's what she said?!?! Pure gold!!!
@brandonzanzig3200 Жыл бұрын
This is the most impressive 9mm I've seen in a very VERY long time. I've recently switched over to 10mm as my bedside/hiking pistol. Seeing this has me rethinking the pillow gun choice. I'm going to his website to pick some up now. Thanks fellas. P.s. I also see he has future plans for some heavier projectiles. I'm stoked for those.
@wayne-oo Жыл бұрын
Looks like the best new 9mm round everyone must have !!
@IRONHEAD12701 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful job Tim. Congratulations 🎉🎊. I was very impressed with the projectile expansion and the way it consistently held together. The next gun show I attend, I’ll be looking for these in .45 ACP. Keep up the great work and best of 🍀luck to you and yours during this Christmas🎄 season.
@UnknownSovereignty Жыл бұрын
It's been a honor not only following you you guys since the start, but for Tim to come up with such a high performance no bullshit self defense round in 9mm?! Tim I hope you read this. Keep up the good work brother
@taofledermaus Жыл бұрын
thank you!
@domin8ss Жыл бұрын
I'm in! Going to buy some now. The energy transfer of these things is impressive. I'm going to stick some in my Hellcat. I hope I never have to use them, but the hit these will produce from such a small gun would have a shock & awe affect.
@Driveby-Viktum Жыл бұрын
After I saw these , my first thought was " those petals are WAY too long and unsupported, won't the bend on feed ramps?" I'm glad i was wrong and these are definitely impressive!
@Leverguns50 Жыл бұрын
Awesome expansion for sure, I need some of those bullets
@calvinwright5040 Жыл бұрын
Might be the best 9mm ammo out there, I've never seen a round that effective. He definitely did a lot of testing to get that performance.
@Wiskeytango360 Жыл бұрын
These type ammo have feeding issues that’s the only problem
@eastoforion Жыл бұрын
the clay block always impresses!
@joshpointoh Жыл бұрын
The price is great. It's totally worth grabbing a box of 20 and keeping a couple magazines of it on the nightstand. I can't imagine these would overpenetrate in the house.
@justinkase1360 Жыл бұрын
Most people miss in a self defense shooting and that's FAR more worrisome than "overpenetration". Normal 9mm HPs will be more reliably lethal and also not go through a suspect.
@zierlyn Жыл бұрын
Actually, this is a great point and might make a great follow-up test. How many sheets of drywall will it penetrate? Two sheets of drywall would represent an interior wall, and if that is enough to slow one of these interceptors to non-lethal speeds it would be game-changing. Drywall, fiberglass insulation, and 1/2" plywood would be a good simulation of an exterior wall.
@Gunbudder Жыл бұрын
its just a straight up better frangible round. better in every aspect. its pretty rare to see an across the board improvement in ballistics like this, with no drawbacks. definitely getting some for home defense
@justinkase1360 Жыл бұрын
Terrible penetration
@spidykat7188 Жыл бұрын
Wow, that clay really shows how massive the energy dump is off of those. I need a boxe or 20.. good job guys good job to the maker of those rounds!!
@HarmsWay500 Жыл бұрын
Another good job. I bought some Gatekeeper rounds a few weeks ago, and some Clear Ballistics gel on Black Friday. I dropped your name and hope it helps. Kids can’t wait to see some different stuff in person. Thanks again
@taofledermaus Жыл бұрын
thank you
@EndoftheBlock7224 Жыл бұрын
Very impressive round. I wonder if making that round 100 grains would make it even better.
@benneboii8117 Жыл бұрын
I think the light weight helps it keep itself together. More weight at any point would probably put to much strain on the joints and break the bullet apart.
@BallisticMachinist Жыл бұрын
Heavier rounds will be available in the future
@nominalvelocity Жыл бұрын
Hope he can improve the cycle time on that lathe, I have a feeling he's gonna need to make more of those puppies.
@BobDiaz123 Жыл бұрын
Very impressive and I love how it doesn't have over penetration. It would be interesting to see what it does to pork ribs with a slab of meat behind the ribs. With self defense, you want to stop the threat, not necessarily kill the attacker. I'll guess that this would take the fight out of most attackers, but I'm not sure how deadly it would be compared to a HP 9mm.
@Thel_Vadamee Жыл бұрын
"DOCTER DOCTER I'VE BEEN SHOT!" "ok let's get the bullet out" "HOLY SHIT"
@waynewade6723 Жыл бұрын
🤯 I would love to see a 12 gauge round of the same design 💯💥!!!
@jamwheeler Жыл бұрын
Liberty 9mm is phenomenal for self defense. Change my mind
@-JohnSmith- Жыл бұрын
Penetration is too shallow just like these.
@mikechappelear Жыл бұрын
These look like the MHP (Monolithic Hollow Point) from Norma, but expand reliably! The Norma MHP's wouldn't always open up consistently, but these do, and how! Super impressive. I'd like to see how they do for a full mag dump, just incase there are any feed issues with those long petals. Nice work!
@taofledermaus Жыл бұрын
The Chiappa fed them really well. That thing is notorious for jamming on common ball ammo, both fail to feed and fail to eject.
@Rando_Shyte Жыл бұрын
This is legit the most impressive 9mm ive seen tested, damn. The guys on to something!