Ultimate Guide to PVP Rogue Gearing in TBC

[@Zatar]

It looks like the blue PvP set from reputation is no longer on the vendors on the beta. In original TBC it was not in on launch. It is identical to the high warlord set, but this would mean you can't combine the two sets in Phase 1.

[@Zatar]

Yes

[@TheMikkelOLaursen]

Timestamps: 0:00 Introduction 1:17 Stat weights 2:17 Priority 3:34 Main hand 6:42 Off-hand 10:21 Ranged 11:11 Trinkets 12:54 Head 17:54 Shoulders 18:42 Chest 20:49 Wrists 21:34 Gloves 22:49 Belt 23:34 Legs 24:29 Boots 24:55 Cloak 25:48 Neck 26:42 Rings 27:24 Outro / professions

[@svviftghost]

THANK YOUUUU

[@MS-pw6jx]

THANK you bro. Legit 2 videos in a row that I've been searching for.

[@elprofesor3931]

you´ve been on fire lately with all this tbc rogue content ! Keep it up fam, big fan from europe

[@lusimmons4982]

I love... LOVE how you reverse engineered based off Miir. That's beautiful comparison. Played rogue into 2300s S1-3. I approve how you approached this. I'm sure dude swaps incessantly for the comps. I love the synergy of the talent trees. With the right comps and player cohesion you can use off the wall abilities you normally wouldn't.

[@ikeeuler6299]

If you're fairly close to hit cap, then the Silent-Strider Kneepads you have listed in the last tier for boots are going to be better than The Master's Treads. They have the same stealth bonus with better stats minus the hit. Edit: I should mention they're only really better if you're already over around 8-9% hit without the boots.

[@AJ-kn6xm]

Still not better. Keep the hit that comes on those and slot out hit somewhere else if ur rlly that high on hit

[@scottbell324]

@@AJ-kn6xm Actually they are way better boots in every way. Don't waste time with master treads at all.

[@tetra3000]

Appreciate it man looks like I got a lot of raiding to do for the great pieces

[@samseewan4810]

Is the Assassination 2 set bonus not good? I don't see you recommending it like you do with the Wastewalker set. But I feel like the haste bonus is so valuable as you can have an immediate SnD when opening with a cheap shot without having to waste combo points on SnD.

[@TheSkoomaHistorySociety007]

Ye i have the same question

[@Zatar]

Haste is worse in PvP than in pve because your auto attacks are less powerful. This is due to difference in buffs, hit, talents, and poisons. The set is decent, but I would not value the two set too highly, and would rather go with two items that are individually better. Definitely good while gearing up though

[@scottbell324]

The haste bonus is actually super helpful, provides burst, and is infinitely better than the wastewalker 2pc. I personally use shoulder and leg.

[@roxiedfo3570]

Man, Thanks a lot to take time for those guides. Helps so much! learn a lot

[@Sevfin]

Was there ever anything like this for phase 2? Like holyyyy what a giant help this was

[@aaron7826]

thanks mate, your videos are very well done! appreciate it a lot :)

[@stefanfekeci8288]

why are the silent-strider kneeboots so low on the list? master tread's are better sure, but if you don't need the hit silent-strider is actually even better. that's a big if sure but I'd think they would be better than mediocre

[@scottbell324]

TBH silent strider is BIS s1 idk wtf this dude is talking bout. You don't need that much hit in pvp and silent strider is way better itemized. You are absolutely right. Honestly I'm not sure why anything other than those two items is on the list bc in my opinion they are the only two options.

[@terrynicholas7455]

so im assuming daggers for tbc is a no go?

[@scottbell324]

yeah daggs bad for pvp and pve

[@steveng9663]

Love your vids. really helping me out with PVP. Only question I have is why the Silent-Strider Kneeboots are so low on the list with better stats than the treads and also +1 stealth level. Are the treads needed for the hit rating since the gladiator gear doesn't provide hit rating? Currently, I have the treads equipped. If I am above the hit % needed for pvp, should I use the striders (just got them to drop) until I get gladiator gear and then swap back when the hit is needed? Huge fan from a WoW noob.

[@Zatar]

You can use the long boots if you have too much hit already.

[@InzaneCat]

Can't find Opportunist's leather set, this is added in a later phase maybe?

[@Zatar]

Correct

[@Skeldaa]

some of your info is missleading, you cant buy pvp reputation set on launch, it was added as catchup mechanic later in the game..

[@Zatar]

That is how I expected it to be released, but it was on the beta to purchase right away. Now I can't find the items on the vendor anymore. It was available previously and they even gave it out for testing. Wowhead also lists it being Phase 1. Thanks for the heads up though, I will pin a message.

[@Skeldaa]

@@Zatar yes they were on vendors for like 1 day on beta launch

[@Horcsogg]

U making a guide for p2 soon?

[@Mr.H-YT42]

Good job, love this rogue content. Hey, Algorithm, over here!

[@IAmBackMan]

What about Hyper-Vision Goggles?

[@Zatar]

I need to test them. I might do a video eventually on some of the gadgets or maybe specifically just stealth detection and stealth skill stuff.

[@cs5875]

What about the engi goggles, arent they bis for rogues ?

[@Zatar]

Not out until phase 2

[@Magetastic69]

What do you think of Blackout Truncheon for offhand? 1.5 speed 2 sockets + 132 haste proc. I've been using it combined with Bladefist + assassin 2 set.

[@Zatar]

I think maces in off-hands are not very good. An oh sword adds way more dmg.

[@Magetastic69]

@@Zatar what? Why would sword add more damage?? Thought it was just preference. It's 1.5 speed and haste proc for more MH auto dmg.

[@Zatar]

A fast offhand sword with sword spec can net you a bunch of extra main hand swings. Mace spec for the oh only slightly increases in dmg. All for pve of course

[@Magetastic69]

@@Zatar oh i'm specifically talking about pvp since that's the topic of the video. Yeah sword spec in pve much better ofc. I appreciate the replies.

[@scottbell324]

It's good. None of the replies to your question are good though. The mace is way better than any sword you could use except MAYBE latro's and the blue/purple pvp swords.

[@vendaswow]

for main hand is good the night blade? Is a dagger but idk if is good for that

[@scottbell324]

no all dagger bad

[@frostiproclamation]

I'm not really great at PVP is there a resource that somebody can link me to kind of help me out with that because I'm getting frustrated and I don't want to just transfer servers because I'm not good at it because I can get good I just don't know of any resources

[@philjackson_powerlifting]

Very nice and informative, i have a question where do i obtain the generals Leather Belt and Bracers ?

[@Zatar]

Honor vendor, PvP reward

[@frankrossi3524]

The BG gear like the Gladiators Leather Bracers are available as soon as we ding 70 or when season 1 starts? I'm trying to decide if I want to spend the honor I have on a level 60 rank 14 wep, or just save it to use at level 70

[@BiwwieL]

all the lvl 70 honour/mark gear is available on day 1

[@nompinif]

"Worgen Claw Necklace and Choker of Vile Intent are neck and neck." Hhhheheheh

[@amandaspear6148]

😂🤣😂⛽

[@seanperson81]

um how does he have the jewelcrafting trinket, the BS drakefist hammer annnnnd plus 4 to rings??? umm how?

[@Paradise385]

So the blue PvP Gear Set is crap? Edit : You maybe have a non Epic BIS List for PvP Rogue ?

[@YoutubeChannel-ol7zx]

Excellent insight thank you

[@RIGHTEOUSFINN5]

It seems like these weapons and items are focused towards combat and assassin spec?

[@Zatar]

Hemo shadowstep subtlety is the primary spec this gear is for.

[@ThatGreekArchitect]

I got latros and i recently got Feltooth, what should i go for as my main one? Any suggestions? :)

[@aaron7826]

hey bro, can i check why deathblow X11 was not included, where does it sit in the gearing tier for helm?

[@Zatar]

They would be bis, but they are not out yet. Blizz said phase 2 I believe.

[@aaron7826]

@@Zatar ah I see! cool bro thank you!

[@codychristophernickolai5888]

Will the Reputation pvp gear in the game on launch? I remember IT being s3 or s4

[@styhl8023]

thoughts on Assassination 2 set bonus for pre-raid/pre-arena gear?

[@AJ-kn6xm]

Plz replyyyy! 2 set 2 set or 4 piece high warlord?

[@no__name3747]

what gear should I go for while lvling/just hit 70 to be able to do well in arena??

[@Zatar]

You can click the items on the page I the description and it will take you to wowhead. You can go for items that are really easy to get.

[@brodomoneymaker2707]

hit cap is 5%, so it is only because some PvE gear is super strong and has Hit rating on it, or because you kinda want 9-10% hit cos mage winter chill 5% hit reduction?

[@Zatar]

Mages can't fit 5 points into that talent if there go imp CS. 7% is nice though

[@thepratter]

How's renetaki's as a pvp trinket? That extra 60 energy burst seems pretty nice.

[@Zatar]

Nerfed in tbc to 20 energy at 70

[@thepratter]

@@Zatar Oof. I had hopes they'd just gloss over that one. Say in an alternate universe it wasn't nerfed, do you think it'd see usage?

[@Zatar]

It's broken if not nerfed

[@frankrossi3524]

I'm not sure it's 100% fair to rank the BIS weapon slot by top end damage. They all also have lower low end damage. So for every time you hit relatively hard hemo because of the high top end, you will also experience a time where you hit a relatively weak hemo, because of the lower low end? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like any of the Arena weapons (sword, mace, or fist), are pretty equal in power?

[@Zatar]

@Frank Rossi the overall rankings were done to include the DPS of the weapon, avg weapon damage and obviously stats and procs. Top end did not factor in to the ranking. High top end is just a way of saying the item has high weapon damage because it is slow. If you average out the weapon damage, Dragonmaw has higher average weapon damage than the gladiator weapons as well.

[@Zatar]

I don't disagree with you though, gladiator weapons are definitely very close to the level of dragonmaw.

[@frankrossi3524]

@@Zatar I see, thanks for the reply. Is the average weapon damage of the gladiator first/mace/sword all equal to one another? And the Dragonmaw is a tier above them? Or does is the average damage of the arena fist weapon really higher than that of the sword? I thought the average weapon damage was pretty much just represented by it's DPS

[@Zatar]

Average damage is relative to (bottom end + top end) / 2 But is always based on dps * speed as well.

[@Zatar]

The fist has a wider spread, but does same avg dmg as other glad weapons.

[@Daptag93]

Why attack power gems instead of agility one's?

[@codyslone9258]

I think flat attack power is just better

[@Daptag93]

@@codyslone9258 reasoning?

[@Glazeman]

@@Daptag93 Subtlety Rouges always build off AP rather than agility

[@Zatar]

With no kings, ap is better for dmg for s1

[@Daptag93]

@@Zatar Will you do a video for later seasons, to specify these kind of details? :)

[@Tiryz54]

Can u buy the s1 pvp epic days 1 or it will be relase later

[@joer6281]

also can we get a pvp commentary video of how to play hemo spec ? rotation and other tips and tricks? great guides !!!

[@FingerBoardMystery]

no daggers needed as main hand? what about ambush? im confused

[@Zatar]

The typical PVP spec will not ambush

[@marcusrudd6675]

No dagger love? Is mainhand dagger in pvp not viable?

[@Zatar]

Might do a dagger specific video, but hemo is much better in arena. Daggers can be fun though.

[@adrianhellstrom2927]

doing phase 2 bis list?

[@krazy-kavman59]

How come I always here people say they switch between the wound and crippling. But never that they switch to deadly poison instant vs a target with no trinket . If you have no blind then you might as well for the extra damage vs plates

[@Zatar]

If the plate wearer is getting healed, wound is better. Using deadly is risky, because you can't gouge, sap, blind (you mentioned it), and your teammate is unable to use some CC as well, for example, polymorph.

[@krazy-kavman59]

@@Zatar yeah I see, I wouldn't think it to be as viable in arenas where cc is so important. But in a 1v1 situation and occasionally in bgs I think you can get away with it. I always run wound on my main hand and switch between crippling and instant vs most classes. I still need another weapon to do a 3rd posion!(edit: Opening with deadly when you use your bleed opener is ideal I believe. Considering the target can't heal like you said, if they can wound is still more valuable)

[@krazy-kavman59]

Basically I'm thinking two offhands one with crippling another with instant, and two main hands one with wounds and one with deadly

[@Zatar]

Don't forget Warriors heal with second wind. That's the most prevalent plate class

[@krazy-kavman59]

@@Zatar yeah I learned not to stun them as much but I still struggle with em . I'm on a server where people have s4 gear. And I'm mostly s2 and have 3 s3 peice

[@Troldy]

Can you drop blacksmith after the weapon is made?

[@Zatar]

Requires BS to use

[@Mukz725]

heyo im a new player looking to get a good pvp build for my rogue do you have anything that lets me know where to put talents and stuff

[@XNarutoXbleach]

So engineering for the goggles with increased stealth detection isnt worth?

[@eybobo]

Can’t use first phase

[@XNarutoXbleach]

@@eybobo the blue quality ones?

[@lusimmons4982]

Skull of ID is goat status item. It's still BiS. From 39 on up.

[@hanswest4727]

What is pre-arena BIS for PvP tho?

[@Zatar]

That would include a bunch of Raiding gear, using honor to fill in slots you have not gotten from raid yet.

[@Zatar]

That would include a bunch of Raiding gear, using honor to fill in slots you have not gotten from raid yet.

[@ryanhenderson6529]

Thank you!! I'll be using this guide immensely. Bummer all the BIS rings come from PVE tho.

[@Zatar]

Honor ring is not too far behind, but yeah worse than those 4 raid options.

[@yvngsavage8249]

dragonmaw is bis but u can only get it at p2.. and ur gonna need to get nether vortexes. dragonstrike is available in p1 but is just as good as spiteblade.

[@Zatar]

You have the names flipped. Dragonstrike is Phase 2.

[@OrreryBandCleveland]

Incredible video. Immediate sub.

[@theux6525]

Thank you so much for this! :)

[@joer6281]

is this only for phase 1?

[@Zatar]

Yes

[@gougepotato2739]

When combined with the Ruthlessness(Made better with relentless attacks) talent in the assassination tree.. deadly throw becomes spammable and a casters least favorite thing about TBC ;)

[@Zatar]

It does not trigger on deadly throw. Must have been patched for that reason at some point.

[@tensecfd3s]

@@Zatar who, wait what? it used to...unless it's another crazy false memory as I appear to continually have regarding wow lol...

[@Manzzyo]

@@tensecfd3s that effect got nerfed during TBC. First it could chain procc, then after nerf you wouldnt get cp after dt anymore.

[@shjelde660]

@Zatar can you maybe cover a possible dagger sub build with Shadowstep? even if it isnt the best, it should be very fun in bgs to oneshot ppl with ambush + backstap. how would you go about making such a build? would you swap to a slow MH sword after the ambush and backstab and swing with meaty Hemo? Can it be good in arena too? or just viable? I really am going for daggers on my rogue, would love to see ur opinion on a build covering daggers

[@Zatar]

I actually think daggers could be the best spec in Battlegrounds. In arena it can be tough to get behind the target, and you will generate much less combo points than hemo.

[@nintendonchill]

Should I go engineering or JC for arena?

[@frankrossi3524]

JC for season one since goggles aren't until p2. Blacksmith/JC is bis for season 1

[@PalmBee]

TY FOR THE GUIDE! :D

[@Maxo_metr]

so bis profs are ...?

[@Zatar]

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[@gabewilson7059]

once shadowpanther gets his tbc set up on his site

[@doomzx8284]

I wish there was a video like this for warriors...you legit can't even find anyone talking about Deep-thunder in depth on the entire youtube...such a shame since almost all warriors who pvp want that... -.- if anyone think im wrong, link me the video where deep-thunder is talked in depth like he did here for the rogue weapons...Thanks in advance

[@davidwells5888]

theres not much to say? warriors go full pvp resil gear + skill herald

[@doomzx8284]

@@davidwells5888 I'm talking about in depth weapon guide/explanation. Read my comment again...Its easy to say "just get stuff". I knew that without content creators...i watch them for more in depth insights obviously...

[@AdamRives]

Phase 2 guide when?

[@kingheenokgaming4783]

Searing sunblade is BiS for rogue, I don't know how you don't know this (you even said the reason with attack speed and energy cost.. weird). It is not a great tier weapon at all, it's the big D weapon. There is no opportunist set in phase 1, it's a catchup mechanic for next phase. For gladiator piece, you need 4 + legs from kara (don't get primalstrike it's the worst thing ever... keep your profession slot for real upgrade). Great overview overall but dont take this video for cash.

[@Ellanineleven]

would you go agi enchant on sunblade ?

[@kingheenokgaming4783]

@@Ellanineleven mongoose enchant

[@FeedinGG666]

Hang on... No Dagger in main Hand soo no Ambush then?

[@frederikvansteenkiste9113]

You can make a macro to equip your dagger from your bags when you press backstab/ambush. And then switch back to you sword when you press hemo etc

[@user-hb6ju4zg4m]

Great video

[@IndieProgressPlaysDiablo]

Thanks!

[@gurtner9]

Ranged weapon should be s1 not the brutal (season 4) one 😄

[@Zatar]

Ty

[@Phil_Escipion]

tienes los talentos' ? XD

[@TheBLahhQ]

The neck and the ring slot are not best in slot neither are the boots and head slot and u can't aswell have dragonstrike main hand with jc trinket and rings enchanted with 4+ stats this guide is just bullshit lmao

[@Zatar]

Think Mir just wanted to show what ring enchants you would use if you were enchanting.

[@TheBLahhQ]

@@Zatar ye but there is no real bis slot item in arena you sure can minmax it but it all comes down to the playstyle comp and racials u run most of times and specialy in season one where n1 has resili gear u can legit run ambush oneshot spec with a pyro mage both ap and sp pumped and reach maxx rating season 3 is the one were things rly matter in my opinion but yeah credits to u @zatar for trying to explain newbies what to do

[@jimdelsol1941]

Thanks !